JAMES COMEY: ... and so I said, "Sir, whatever you-- whatever you like." And he said, "Well, why don't we make it 6:30?" And I said, "Sure." And then I called Patrice, broke our date, and-- as luck had it, I had-- an encounter with Clapper, who had left the government but we were giving him a recognition as honorary F.B.I. agent. And I told him about this invitation and he told-- comforted me by saying, "Yeah, I've heard lots of other people are getting calls to come for dinner."He comforted me...
And so then in my head I was-- "Okay, so it's a group thing. He must be having a group thing tonight, a group thing tomorrow night. That's fine." And so I went over there expecting-- a crowd of people.And so then in my head I was... I feel as though I'm reading a #MeToo story told by a young woman. Why didn't he say "I thought..." like a plain-spoken adult? It's like the inside of his head is an environment with moods and wisps of cognition. He's invited into a private space, he has his trepidations, but other people will be there, and he's hoping he won't be alone with the man.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And what did you find?See what I mean? It's totally "Cat Person." He's entered a private space where he intuits what the man is expecting and he's "uncomfortable" but somehow drawn along by the other person's expectations and — without access to his own values and preferences and powers — imagines that he cannot say no and must simply proceed forward into the situation that is making him uncomfortable. I feel like I'm reading about a 20-year-old female fictional character. Is this what the inside of Comey's head looks like or is this some psychological narrative concocted, with ghostwriting help, for the American reading public?
JAMES COMEY: I stood in the entrance to the green room, which is next to the blue room, and chatted with two Navy stewards who were there.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: This is the residence?
JAMES COMEY: Yeah, in the residence. And looked around the room and quickly saw that all the furniture had been moved in the-- in the center of the room. There was a small oval table and there were only two chairs and I could see two place cards. And I could see from where I was standing, one said, "Director Comey." I assume the other was the president. And so that's when I knew that it wasn't a group dinner to get to know the leaders of our different agencies, that it was just the two of us.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: What did you think was going on?
JAMES COMEY: Something that made me uncomfortable and my best intuition at that point was it's part of an effort to make me part of the team, to make me “amica nostra.” And that it made me deeply uncomfortable. And so I just waited. There was no-- there was no saying no at this point.
The "amica nostra" business is his idea that Trump behaves like a Mafia boss. "Amica" means "friend" in Italian. So does "amico." "Amica" is the female form.
And the president showed up and had me sit down...He "had" you sit down. He doesn't even sit down on his own power! So pliable, going along with the orders of the big man.
... and it turned out just to be the two of us and that the purpose of the meeting, the dinner was for him to extract from him a promise of loyalty. That instinct was right, it was to make me a friend of ours."Make me a friend of ours" sounds weird, but it's the Mafia idea again. Comey simply sitting down to a dinner for 2, but he's trying to depict a scary aura of compulsion. Comey is reading the other man's mind and hyper-aware of what that man wants on this occasion.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: As you were witting [sic] with him, he-- he was just getting used to the trappings of--Stephanopoulos is humanizing Trump: Trump had his uncertainties too. That's counterpoint to Comey's effort to present Trump as the Mafia boss, who knew exactly how to exercise power.
JAMES COMEY: Yeah.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: --of the White House?
JAMES COMEY: I think he was. I think he was. He-- he was-- he took on-- on the plates was a card-- a calligraphy card, so-- very nice script. You always see these at the White House. And it listed the menu for the dinner we were about to have. And so he-- I remember, he held his up and said, "They write these by hand." And I said, "A calligrapher?" And he kind of gave me this look and he said, "They write them by hand." And so I-- I kinda let it go. And-- and then he talked about-- one of the things he said was how luxurious the White House was, the residence. And he said, "I-- and I know luxury." And-- which I credit. And-- he said, "It's-- it's really beautiful."Comey is, I think, implying that Trump didn't understand the word "calligrapher." The 2 men are on different wavelengths — Comey, interested in an art form (calligraphy) and Trump, noticing that a person did work by hand (the human touch).
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: How long did it take to get down to business?I laughed heartily at this point, watching it on TV. Stephanopoulos asked about time and Comey told the time in terms of food courses, as if we know where in the order of things the salad appears. But I guess "shrimp scampi" was the entree, so the salad came somewhere in the beginning, but was there a soup course? An appetizer? And it's also funny for a man who just acted pretentious about he word "calligrapher" to say "shrimp scampi," especially when he's inserting Italian phrases like "amica nostra." "Scampi" just means "shrimp," and educated people are supposed to know that you're saying "shrimp shrimp" and that's silly.
JAMES COMEY: Not long. I think it was probably during the salad, before the shrimp scampi.
He redirected the conversation-- I think we started talking about how the beautiful the White House was. He redirected the conversation by saying, "So what do you want to do?" And I kinda gave him this look...No words, just "this look." Why couldn't he say something forthright? Why not make a connection to Trump and show him something about how you think of your work? Why is he so passive, so wary? If the idea is to stand strong on principles and traditions, why not let that show in a real and honest way at this point? I think this is where he lost Trump. Trump had to take the lead...
... and then he explained what he meant. And he said, "You know, a lot of people would want to be F.B.I. director and given all you've gone through, I would understand if you want to walk away but it would look like you'd done something wrong if you did that. But I figured I should meet with you and-- and see what you want to do," which was really odd because I think, by that point, at least three times, he had said he hoped I was staying and looked forward to working with me. But there was no acknowledgment of that.... and then Comey just found it "really odd." What seems odd to me is how awkward and passive Comey is. Even in Comey's own telling, he seems inert: he's waiting to follow instructions and trying to please a man he feels no connection to. Comey doesn't come across here as the embodiment of FBI tradition and integrity. He seems like a man hoping to hold onto his job and unsure how to make that happen, hoping to be told what to do. He's so wary, and I assume Trump did not like him or trust him.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think he wanted you to walking away [sic]?And that's the weather inside the cranium of James Comey. He talks so much about how Trump felt, but he's revealing how he himself felt and what kind of man he is. For all his rectitude and sermonizing, there is something needy and pliable about Comey.
JAMES COMEY: No. No, I think he wanted me to say, "Sir, I'd very much like to continue to serve and be your F.B.I. director." And then he would say, "Okay, but I need loyalty, I expect loyalty," which is exactly what he did say, the-- the second part. So I think it was about-- again, this is just a guess but it's an educated guess, that someone had told him or he had concluded that he gave the F.B.I. director job away for free by telling this guy you hope he's going to stay. You oughta get him in front of you and make sure he's a friend of ours. And-- and have him promise he's going to be loyal, 'cause the F.B.I. is a dangerous organization.
Why did he do anything he didn't choose to do? Why did he fail to speak forthrightly? If Trump really said "Okay, but I need loyalty, I expect loyalty," I wonder if Trump wasn't giving him a test to see if he was a weak man or if he offered a substantial counterweight to presidential power.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Why not say no?Exactly! Let's see how the head of the FBI answers:
JAMES COMEY: That's a fair question. I think because I was caught totally by surprise.Cat Person!
And again, I'm operating in an environment where I don't want-- I'm going to be director for another six years. This man's the new president of the United States, I do not need a war with him. I have to find a way to work with this administration and protect the values of the F.B.I.Why not just forthrightly explain what the FBI stands for and let the consequences follow? Why make yourself weak for the President? Why think that's what the President wanted? You don't have to find a way to work for him! You can stand on principle — you who want to be Mr. Principle today — and let him decide if he wants to keep you or not. Maybe if you'd done that he would have kept you.
And so-- and part of it was just sheer surprise. I couldn't think of a clever response.Why would you need a clever response?! Stand on your rock-solid principles. That was the time. That was the test. You failed right then, so don't preen now.
And by the second time he came back to it, he didn't respond at all. We just stared at each other and then he went on eating.How awkward. Why couldn't he talk to the President? He's staring?!
And then he came back to-- he didn't-- he noticed that I didn't answer. He came back to it later in the dinner. And by then, I had my wits about me and had a better answer.So before, he didn't have his "wits about" him. Later, he had his wits, and he could think of something clever enough to make speaking an option.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: What was the second time?Well, then, you made the deal. You went ahead with what you felt was expected, even though you felt queasy about it the whole time.
JAMES COMEY: The second time was later in the conversation. He said, again, "I need loyalty." And I said, "You will always get honesty from me." And he paused and then he said, "Honest loyalty," as if he was proposing some compromise or a deal. And I paused and said, "You'll get that from me."
And, of course, in between those two-- the loyalty sandwich, in between those two, I had-- I had an opportunity to explain to him the F.B.I.'s role and how important it was for the F.B.I. to be independent and how I thought about it.He's almost incoherent here — "the loyalty sandwich, in between those two...." But I guess this means he managed to get out some words about his principles, even as he ate the shit sandwich, which might have happened after the shrimp shrimp and before the dessert.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But did you cross a line there-- did you cross a line when you promised him honest loyalty? Did-- would it be fair for him to think, "Wait, I have a deal here."Yes, you made a deal and then you violated it. You called it a deal. If it's a deal, why didn't you keep it? It's incoherent to say, because it violated principle, since it violates principle to break a deal.
JAMES COMEY: Yeah, I-- I don't think so. Given the context and the other things I'd said, I thought-- and look, it was a compromise on my part to try and avoid a really awkward conversation, get out of an awkward conversation.Why were you so awkward? From my point of view, it seems as though it would have been easy to have a conversation, if you were devoted to principle and knew who you were and had integrity from the very start and had spoken with clarity and straightforwardness. Even after all this time and while posing as the embodiment of lofty values, Comey looks weak, confused, and dithering.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Was it a mistake?A mistake to make the deal?
JAMES COMEY: Yeah, I don't know. But-- maybe, maybe.Still dithering!
And maybe I should've said in the moment, "Sir, as I told you, the F.B.I. has to be--" and then give him the speech again, maybe. But-- and so maybe I should've been-- yeah, that's fair feedback. Maybe I should've been tougher or more direct, especially given what I know now.Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe! Of course he should have been tougher and more direct! That's obvious, and if he had, Trump might have liked him.
At the time, I obviously couldn't see the future. But given what I know now, maybe it would've been better to give a more explicit-- say, "Sir, I can't promise you loyalty. Given the nature of my role, I can promise you I always tell you the truth," which I had already told him. "That's my role. And that I'm not part of it."That would have been perfectly easy to say at the time.
I should've given that whole speech then. But in the moment, frankly, it didn't occur to me.Cat Person! Somehow, his own mind was too fuzzy to see and it didn't even occur to him that he had preferences and he could just say what they were.
And I-- maybe I didn't have the guts to do it. I wanted to get out of this conversation without compromising myself.Well, that didn't happen.
And I felt like, given all I've told him already, he has to understand what I mean by honest loyalty and he's kidding himself if he thinks I just promised that I'm-- I'm “amica nostra.” But-- in hindsight, you're probably right. I probably should have done it differently.Probably. Even now — flogging a book flaunting integrity — he won't forthrightly say: I had the power to clearly state what was right and wrong and I just didn't have the presence of mind to figure out what it was. I was lost in a fog and imagining the man to be dominating me when in fact, I could have said no and walked away. I did what was put in front of me, and I didn't even do it well. I did it so lamely and awkwardly that I inspired no trust, even though I compromised myself trying to hold on to what I'm finally realizing I didn't even want.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 450 Newer› Newest»LLR Chuck: "What about (d)? What's (d)? Is the Alt-right going to take up arms against... Mike Pence? I don't much think that a bunch of old white Fox-watching fatassed retirees worried about their pensions and their Schwab accounts and their Medicare providers are going to take up arms."
It's simply wonderful when, like last weekend, Field Marshall, #StrongCNNDefender and LLR Chuck forgets what online persona he is supposed to be projecting.
Not surprising really.
The numbers for the dems have not been what the lefties and LLR Chuck have been hoping for, despite their counter-intel Op against Trump.
No wonder LLR Chuck is in such a bad mood.
And now Comey, Lynch and McCabe are throwing each other under the bus.....hmmmm. I wonder why they feel compelled to do that at this time?
And we haven't even gotten to Priestap, Baker, Strzok, Page etc.
I can understand why #IBelieveDurbin Chuck is so irritable.
Not because any of that would be good for the country..but because it would be bad for Trump.
Good thinking, Chuck.
Fopdoodle Chuck: "I know that it could and would only go to one place, which would be resignation or impeachment."
I think you forgot "complete exoneration" because the allegations cannot support a finding other than Trump operated within his constitutional prerogatives.
LLR Chuck's fevered dreams of democrat success are a sight to behold.
One can imagine LLR Chuck at night, in bed with his Maddow doll, eyes clenched so tight they are watering, praying to Gaia to make the bad Trump go away.
LOL
I finished reading the transcript this morning with my coffee, and I want to zero in on this part where Comey is speculating about what he wishes he had said to Trump during the 1 on 1 dinner:
"At the time, I obviously couldn't see the future. But given what I know now, maybe it would've been better to give a more explicit-- say, "Sir, I can't promise you loyalty. Given the nature of my role, I can promise you I always tell you the truth (emphasis added by Y.W)," which I had already told him. "That's my role. And that I'm not part of it."
Think about this statement from Comey, and then remember that Comey chose not to tell Trump about Clinton funding the dossier. Comey simply doesn't understand what the meaning of the word "truth" is.
Also, just to be a pedant... One place... Two options (forgetting my completely reasonable third option)...
Chuck is a flipping moron whose kids definitely don't have syphilis. And I never said they did have syphilis.
walter: "Not because any of that would be good for the country..but because it would be bad for Trump."
You missed the most important part of all that to Chuck: It would help the dems.
LLR Chuck never, ever, strays too far off the narrative/talking point path that leads to democrat takeovers.
Yancey Ward, to be fair James Comey may not be smart enough to understand what lying by omission is.
Perhaps he didn't do his daily Stuart Smalley affirmation.
"Think about this statement from Comey, and then remember that Comey chose not to tell Trump about Clinton funding the dossier. Comey simply doesn't understand what the meaning of the word "truth" is."
No wonder LLR Chuck is so enamored of Comey.
Birkel: "Perhaps he didn't do his daily Stuart Smalley affirmation"
Uh oh.
Now you've done it. You worked a sideways slam against Franken into the discussion.
I'd hate to be you in a minute or two when LLR Chuck reads you attacking a lefty hack democrat politician.
That sort of thing really sets him off. He's likely to crank up rumors about your kids or go on another racist rant.
Revealing it as oppo research wasn't a means toward his "goal", which kinda comes across like a threat..if that info wasn't in circulation...job security if you apply Comey brain style assumptions.
The narrative Comey gives about the 1 on 1 dinner are fascinating. They demonstrate to me two almost blindingly obvious things- Comey is easily intimidated, and that Comey went into that dinner afraid that he was interviewing for a job he didn't think he was going to get. Reading the back and forth between Comey and Stephanopoulos, it becomes very obvious to me that Comey was nervous about the meeting because Comey knew Trump had good reason to distrust him.
A man sure of the honesty of his actions and his principles- in other words, a man sure of himself- would not have gone into that meeting and thought and behaved like a wuss. That firing Comey was the best decision Trump made last year becomes clearer with every single word Comey says.
And it's a sure sign of a guilty perp when they implore you to investigate it.
You know..like that successful strategy Gary Hart used..
"a bunch of old white Fox-watching fatassed retirees worried about their pensions and their Schwab accounts and their Medicare providers"
Been a long time since I heard such a thoroughly Republican sentiment.
Ron Winkelheimer wrote:
"A boss inviting a high-level manager to dinner where they can have a conversation and get to know each other is known as a job interview. Comey's fearful of having a one on one conversation because he knows he isn't fit to hold the position he has, and was appointed to it because of that."
Exactly my impression, too. Astonishing.
Comey is trying desperately to portray himself as a man of honor when he wouldn't recognize honor if it landed, piping hot, in his lap.
The Never Trumpers and those with Trump Derangement Syndrome remind me of the little kid who was positive that there was a pony under that pile of horseshit and just wouldn't stop digging.
Give it up kid. There is NO pony.
Paco Wové said...
"a bunch of old white Fox-watching fatassed retirees worried about their pensions and their Schwab accounts and their Medicare providers"
Been a long time since I heard such a thoroughly Republican sentiment.
I think that Sean Hannity just about as "pro-Republican" most weeknights. /s
Except Sean Hannity is too smart (just barely) to be trashtalking about armed revolt.
"My personal experience of FBI Directors is limited to Louis Freeh. He was Director when my daughter was in the academy and he used to come down and run 7 miles with them. He also was fired by Bill Clinton because he wanted to investigate the Khobar Towers bombing that killed a bunch of US military guys."
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“Clinton didn't fire Freeh. He quit under Bush. But hey, facts are boring.”
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Hey, they don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Trump speaks powertalk. To the rube's its uneducated blue collar low class. But parse his sentences and you'll see he's very careful with his language.
Trump points out the handwritten cards. Why? To Comey it's because he's an uneducated rube that doesn't know the word Calligraphy and doesn't understand the White House. In reality, Trump is setting the stage. We are professionals. Let's have a professional conversation, but we are both aware that the country is looking to us to lead them. There is a great weight to our decisions. It's more than just luxury. It's even more than being ostentatious.
Trump probably gets it right there. He's with a hostile witness. This is not two professionals that are going to need to work together for the next 4 years.
Finally Trump asks a simple "Boss" question: "So what do you want to do?"
Trump's the new CEO. Comey is a department head. He's asking, what are your priorities? What are your challenges? What can I do to make your job easier and benefit the country?
If you want to get more conspiratorial about it, Trump could have been thinking about how Comey briefed him on the Steele Dossier" and wondering if Comey was trying to blackmail him as part of that effort. "Trump, I have his dossier and I can make your life hell. Leave the FBI alone."
But Comey is so stupid and hostile he immediately thinks he's thinking about whether he wants to keep his job!
He could have said something like "Opioid abuse and gang violence are at levels we've never before seen in this country sir. I know you had some thoughts on that during the campaign. I'd like to brief you in with some of my experts in the FBI on what we can do to combat these issues. I know we can work together to make this country better."
If he had said that simple sentence Trump probably would have looked at Comey in totally different light. He may not like me but there is common ground we can work on.
Or Comey could have even used Russia, "Sir, I know we've talked already about Russian interference in the election and even potential attempts to blackmail you. I'd really like to have the Justice Department and the intelligence communities get together, maybe even with Congress, and set up a blue ribbon commission to combat the Russian interference. I'd like to set up a brief with some of my experts to talk about the vulnerabilities inherent in the system."
But no. Comey immediately thinks this is a Mob meeting and he's about to get whacked. Or that he's an agent and needs to document things for an eventual impeachment hearing. He's careful about what he's saying. He's uncomfortable. Why is he uncomfortable?
I think it's because he know's he's guilty. He's guilty of not liking the man. Of believing the Steele Dossier. Of thinking the election was illegitimate. Of worrying what the President is going to find if his new AG pursues investigations of how the Clinton "matter" was handled. He's worried that the president will find out that Comey has an active FISA warrant for one of his campaign aides that he has neglected to (as of that time) inform Congress about. He wants to keep his job, but he knows that he is an enemy of the man, Trump. So his goal is simply to get out of there without promising anything. He wants to keep investigating the man and he can only do that if he's in the job.
Everything in his own description of that meeting illustrates his feelings. He feels he's the man at the center. The only one that could stop him.
"I want Trump's end in public life to be humiliating and irrevocable."
Spoken as a dispassionate lawyer, cooly and neutrally considering only the facts in evidence, of course. Riiight. I think one word sums up the approach of Chuck, the MSM, Mueller and Comey to the collusion investigation: "Deplorable."
Chuck, like all of the aforementioned, knows the result they want: they just imagine that if they dress it up with enough legal (although unconstitutional) mumbo jumbo, that it won't be perceived as a coup.
"A boss inviting a high-level manager to dinner where they can have a conversation and get to know each other is known as a job interview. Comey's fearful of having a one on one conversation because he knows he isn't fit to hold the position he has, and was appointed to it because of that."
Comey thinks he's fit. It's just that he thinks Trump isn't fit. He knows he can't investigate the man if he's not in the job. And he's worried that Trump will fire him for investigating him.
In his congressional testimony he state that he had told the president he wasn't under investigation, but he told Trump he wouldn't say that publicly because basically that might change later. In reality he was signing extensions to the Carter Page FISA warrant. He was investigating Trump he just coudn't tell Trump that because he'd get fired. He lied to the president.
Brian wrote:
"I think it's because he know's he's guilty. He's guilty of not liking the man. Of believing the Steele Dossier. Of thinking the election was illegitimate. Of worrying what the President is going to find if his new AG pursues investigations of how the Clinton "matter" was handled. He's worried that the president will find out that Comey has an active FISA warrant for one of his campaign aides that he has neglected to (as of that time) inform Congress about. He wants to keep his job, but he knows that he is an enemy of the man, Trump. So his goal is simply to get out of there without promising anything. He wants to keep investigating the man and he can only do that if he's in the job."
Exactly.
gilbar said...
I think i'm JUSTIFIED in getting all federal on you, and saying that the US Marshall's might disagree with you on that
I got it! I kept hoping that that smirky corrupt asshole would get shot by the guy with the "cute" gun up his sleeve.
I know that it could and would only go to one place, which would be resignation or impeachment. I get it.
What in Trump's history or character or statements would make you think he would EVER resign?
On one hand he's the biggest liar and lowest person to ever hold the office, but on the other you expect that there's some info out there that if you could just hold it over his head he'll resign for the good of the country.
If you want him removed from office, better find 67 senators. Start counting.
it becomes very obvious to me that Comey was nervous about the meeting because Comey knew Trump had good reason to distrust him.
A man sure of the honesty of his actions and his principles- in other words, a man sure of himself- would not have gone into that meeting and thought and behaved like a wuss. That firing Comey was the best decision Trump made last year becomes clearer with every single word Comey says.
Exactly. Given Comey's own description of the event as true, why would Trump trust him? Why would any reasonable person trust him?
The obstruction of justice cheerleaders would say he's not supposed to trust the FBI he's just supposed to let them do whatever they want. To be "independent".
Yes and I have wondered why he was appointed. He had never been an agent. I think he might be the first Director who wasn't an agent.
That was the FBI's problem with L. Patrick Gray.
Good point. The difference was that Hoover had been the only Director and Mark Felt was a crook.
"On one hand he's the biggest liar and lowest person to ever hold the office,"
Raging TDS , I see. There is a long list but you don't know any history, I suspect.
"My personal experience of FBI Directors is limited to Louis Freeh. He was Director when my daughter was in the academy and he used to come down and run 7 miles with them. He also was fired by Bill Clinton because he wanted to investigate the Khobar Towers bombing that killed a bunch of US military guys."
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“Clinton didn't fire Freeh. He quit under Bush. But hey, facts are boring.”
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Hey, they don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
You're right. It was June 2001. His battles with Clinton were legion, however.
The following month, Freeh testified before Congress that his investigation into campaign finance irregularities of the 1996 U.S. presidential and Congressional campaigns was not focusing on individual criminal acts, but on a possible conspiracy involving China.[35] Later that year, Freeh wrote a memorandum to Attorney General Janet Reno calling for an Independent Counsel to investigate the fundraising scandal. In his memo he wrote: "It is difficult to imagine a more compelling situation for appointing an Independent Counsel".[36] Reno rejected his request.
We might finally find out about it some day.
MK I was echo-ing TDS sufferers like Chuck.
If he's such a low-life that has no honor, why do they expect him to resign? Clinton fought his impeachment and served out his term (and almost got to be First Gentleman!). I would expect Trump to fight impeachment as well, and I don't think there will be 67 votes for removal.
Resignation is wishful thinking on their part. Just like the electors in the Electoral College not certifying the election. Not going to happen.
Trump will serve out his term, and has a high likelihood of being re-elected. Only a few presidents have been 1 term presidents and they are associated with bad economies.
So ironic Comey's book is titled a Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership.
Comey fails at all these traits, while trying to assert he has them.
He could not tell the truth to Trump. Comey has shown himself to be a liar of both sorts (omission and comission). He fails to understand one of the principle roles of leadership (standing up to principle in the face of perceived adversity).
What a putz! He displays a spectacular level of self-deceit and grandiosity.
(Frightening that he was the Director of the most powerful law enforcement agency in the nation...and it is revealing why they have become so politicized.)
mockturtle said...
"Comey is trying desperately to portray himself as a man of honor when he wouldn't recognize honor if it landed, piping hot, in his lap."
But people with it know what it demands and know Comey doesn't have any.
Great, great post.
There’s also a touch of the Harvey Weinstein-esque. So many of those stories involved the woman being set up by either HW’s staffers or her talent agency to go to a meeting in his hotel room, believing that it would be a meeting involving multiple people. Then, when the unsuspecting woman got to the hotel room and the door closed, she would realize to her horror that she was alone with HW.
Give it up kid. There is NO pony.
On the contrary. Let them keep digging through the horseshit.
Serves them right.
Frightening that he was the Director of the most powerful law enforcement agency in the nation...and it is revealing why they have become so politicized
It hasn't been a law enforcement agency for years.
"I want Trump's end in public life to be humiliating and irrevocable"
Here's the problem - you can get rid of a man, but you can't get rid of the problem that created the man. Or to put it in Star Wars terms, "If you strike me
down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
This is not just movie silliness. This works in the real world, in these situations. You cannot simply "prove" that Trump deserves whatever you intend to do to him. He is a symbol, he is identified with his supporters, and moreover his enemies are the enemies of his supporters. That's not going to change, they (either side) are not going to make friends before or after whatever it is they will try. And the cherry on top is that no-one, not even on the anti-Trump side, has any illusions anymore about the integrity of the US government or the US political system.
Resentment, most likely completely toxic, will be the result. There will be much graveyard-whistling, but you will be stuck with it.
I want Trump's end in public life to be humiliating and irrevocable.
That ship has sailed. It sailed because the actions to "get Trump" were so blatant that no one believes this is anything related to an investigator looking into a crime at this point.
You can't yell:
1. Russia Collusion!
2. Obstruction of Justice!
Only to be followed by:
3. Paying a woman for silence about consensual sex!
Without clearly just being The Resistance that Cried Wolf.
"A boss inviting a high-level manager to dinner where they can have a conversation and get to know each other is known as a job interview. Comey's fearful of having a one on one conversation because he knows he isn't fit to hold the position he has, and was appointed to it because of that."
And we know Comey had done noting in the past year to question his fitness for the job.
Let's also add that Comey told Trump there was nothing of substance in the dossier and he was not a subject of the investigation. So how was he under investigation when he fired Comey?
Oh that's right, it was the double-secret investigation they couldn't tell the elected head of the Executive Branch that he was under because they were really running the government.
Trump : Comey :: Ulysses S. Grant :: Maj. Gen. John A. McClernan.
Discuss.
http://civilwardailygazette.com/general-grant-finally-rids-himself-of-mcclernand/
It must really piss off Chuck that the RNC put that Lyin' Comey site together.
Althouse, you need to apply for a job at The Onion:
https://politics.theonion.com/comey-what-can-i-say-i-m-just-a-catty-bitch-from-new-1825295514
Good God, Comey! Emo has been out of style for years. I didn't realize that "G-man" was short for girly man.
walter said...
It must really piss off Chuck that the RNC put that Lyin' Comey site together.
It does!
I'm not a natural Comey fan. I thought that the Martha Stewart prosecution was overzealous. I thought the Scooter Libby prosecution was bullshit.
I'm not a big fan of Comey's doing this book and tour.
But the Lyin' Comey website bullshit is so... so Trump.
All your RNC are belong to Trump.
The tone, right?
Another sign of Trump degrading those upstanding Republicans.
Rather deplorable.
Hillary got a subpoena for her emails. She then deleted her 33,000 emails, and destroyed all her electronic devices.
And Comey's reaction? He's cool with it. 'cause no intent.
And it his job to announce Hillary was innocent because "otherwise the DoJ and the FBI would face corrosive damage". Only it was NOT his job. But Comey decided otherwise.
Man, what a disaster as an FBI director.
From a Trump POV, the great thing about Comey is the more he talks - the more damage he does - to Himself.
But then Comey is a "life long Republican". Who likes Obama, hates Trump, has 5 liberal Daughters and a liberal wife. Not to mention a liberal BFF that he leaks classified emails to, AND he's great buddies with Chuck Schumer, and hates Dick Cheney.
That's some Republican.
"it was NOT his job"
Hey now..he had "a higher calling".
rcocean:
Remember, it is only women who are forced - in the privacy of the voting booth - to vote the way their husbands demand.
"Men" like James Comey can resist the Leftist pull of their wives/daughters/moms/nieces/aunts and female co-workers who are far Left swamp creatures.
Althouse on Comey - A 2700 word analysis of Comey's intellect, character, integrity and psychological make-up complete with line-by-line interpretation of his statements, actions and motivations which determines him to be a vibrating Cat Person.
Trump on Comey - "A real nut job."
Winner - Trump. Concision counts.
But I did enjoy the analysis.
Leslie Graves draws a parallel: There’s also a touch of the Harvey Weinstein-esque. So many of those stories involved the woman being set up by either HW’s staffers or her talent agency to go to a meeting in his hotel room, believing that it would be a meeting involving multiple people. Then, when the unsuspecting woman got to the hotel room and the door closed, she would realize to her horror that she was alone with HW.
So Comey was terrified Trump might grab his pussy? Or masturbate in front of him? That might have made an interesting chapter for his book. ;-D
mockturtle:
If Comey is made of 100% Trump-grabby-stuff, how would Trump know that he was grabbing Comey by the Trump-grabby-stuff?
Same question, but with Chuck?
LULZ.
Sean Hannity i.d.'ed as a client of Michael Cohen. Please let it be the sort of representation that Cohen handled so effectively for Donald Trump and Elliott Broidy. Does anybody know what other kind of work Cohen does?
It's going to be a very special live breaking news edition of Hannity tonight!
Cohen Clients Disclosed
Note - whether or not these had any bearing on any case before the judge.
Just because they were on his client list.
This is a perversion of any legal process.
Sorry Brian. I come and go. I missed the quote.
Chuck,
You are gloating about Stasi behavior on the part of - your Stasi, is it?
What would Havel have to say about that?
"I have spent all my life under a Communist regime and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale than the legal one is not quite worthy of man either. A society which is based on the letter of the law and never reaches any higher is taking very scarce advantage of the high level of human possibilities. The letter of the law is too cold and formal to have a beneficial influence on society. Whenever the tissue of life is woven of legalistic relations, there is an atmosphere of moral mediocrity, paralyzing man's noblest impulses. And it will be simply impossible to stand through the trials of this threatening century with only the support of a legalistic structure."
Solzhenitsyn, Harvard address, 1978
The memory just struck me this morning. The whole thing is worth a review.
No issues, Michael.
Give him a minute, buwaya..he has only one hand free.
buwaya said...
Chuck,
You are gloating about Stasi behavior on the part of - your Stasi, is it?
I think it is too early to gloat. I would not want to gloat at this stage. We don't yet know the nature of the representation, and how badly this might cripple Hannity in any future "news" (lulz) coverage of Trump.
I am optimistic, about my odds of some day being able to gloat. I am hoping for it, and I'll be sure to get back to you at the appropriate time. When I feel like gloating, you'll be a the top of my list of people to notify.
Have a super nice day and enjoy the shoe tonight! Don't let the deep state get ya!
:-)
And Kimba Wood is the judge handling the Cohen case
Kimba Fucking Wood, who was nominated by Hillary's husband to be Attorney General before he pulled the nomination because she hired an illegal immigrant as a babysitter.
No conflict here, nope, none at all.
The whole thing is worth a read -
As always, this touches on a very great deal. Things were better, in the US, at the time he spoke. He became even more disillusioned later, and I have no doubt what he would think were he alive today.
Solzhenitsyn Harvard Address
Man..that's an unfortunate middle name.
Comey is the prototypical "pajama boy", or girl, sheltered from the real world, from the consequences of his choices. It's a comfortable existence, but not the character of a man tasked with the responsibility of upholding The Constitution, guarantee a Republican Form of Government, and securing a population.
That said, Trump's entrepreneurial, management, and executive background, and history of achievement in big projects, is a reason, the reason, he was elected to office.
It's going to be a very special live breaking news edition of Hannity tonight!
Why? Is contracting legal services unethical? Is Sean Hannity now not entitled to attorney-client privilege, either?
Why do the clients names have to be revealed if the issue is potential criminal actions by the attorney?
Trump was right, attorney client confidentiality is now dead.
"Don't let the deep state get ya!"
Indeed. We can leave, you cant.
From buwaya's link:
An unnamed client of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal attorney, has been revealed as Fox News host Sean Hannity.
Has been revealed by whom? By Cohen? Did the judge demand that it be revealed? If so, for what legitimate purpose? Or did somebody else leak it?
FTR: Comey is not an FBI Agent and never has been one. He has no experience investigating anything. He is a corporate lawyer whose only experience was in working for the Clinton Conspiracy as needed. They installed him as FBI Director to control all of the investigations that expose the Clinton Conspiracy's crimes by announcing the FBI is in charge and then faking evidence as required and announcing fake conclusions. That is all he has ever done...ever.
Why? "Because Truuuuumpppp!"
Right lawyer Chuck?
I'm no fan of Hannity, but it certainly seems a very nastily timed leaked (right before the start or his show) by somebody most likely within the FBI. Once again, you can feel the contempt and shear absolute hatred from the Deep State apparatchiks for all things Trump their actions. The leak was clearly designed to humiliate Hannity, Trump's biggest unabashed cheerleader, out of nothing but spite.
Great Scot!,
Comey showed his training when he went stealth with his blue suit and the blue curtain.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
Or did somebody else leak it?
I should note that it could have been leaked by someone unrelated to the FBI/current court case. For example, someone who knows Hannity and heard him talking about Cohen, or another party in whatever deal Cohen was arranging for Hannity.
But yes..a more experienced field agent would have had blue face paint in his kit.
Partial from Best of the Web.
For Comey and Country
Now the former government appointee is instructing Americans on how to vote.
The American experiment couldn’t survive if every employee in the executive branch adopted James Comey ’s approach and asserted an authority separate and superior to the duly-elected President. Now the fired FBI director is telling the American electorate how to vote.
In a long discussion (portions of which appeared on Sunday on ABC) with former Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos, Mr. Comey continued to defend his 2016 decisions to abandon longstanding Justice Department policies in the investigation of Hillary Clinton . Before examining some of Mr. Comey’s latest comments it may be helpful to recall Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein ’s case for firing Mr. Comey last May, based largely on the Clinton email case:
The director was wrong to usurp the Attorney General’s authority on July 5, 2016, and announce his conclusion that the case should be closed without prosecution. It is not the function of the Director to make such an announcement. At most, the Director should have said the FBI had completed its investigation and presented its findings to federal prosecutors. The Director now defends his decision by asserting that he believed attorney General Loretta Lynch had a conflict. But the FBI Director is never empowered to supplant federal prosecutors and assume command of the Justice Department. There is a well-established process for other officials to step in when a conflict requires the recusal of the Attorney General. On July 5, however, the Director announced his own conclusions about the nation’s most sensitive criminal investigation, without the authorization of duly appointed Justice Department leaders.
Compounding the error, the Director ignored another longstanding principle: we do not hold press conferences to release derogatory information about the subject of a declined criminal investigation.
During and after the 2016 campaign, Mr. Comey’s actions were roundly criticized by experienced law enforcers across the political spectrum. In his new ABC interview the former FBI chief admits he didn’t exactly operate by the book but still won’t express remorse:
What was unusual about this, in fact unprecedented in my experience, is that I decided it was important that I speak separately from the attorney general...
What was different here is I decided, given some things that had happened, that to protect the institutions, we actually had to step away from the Department of Justice and tell the American people, “Look, here’s what we did. Here’s what we found. Here’s what we think. You can count on the fact this was done in an apolitical way. Your organization of justice acted the way you’d want it to be. And that if I’d done the normal thing, that wouldn’t have happened and the institutions would’ve been damaged.”
Of course the truth is that governing institutions are damaged when officials don’t apply rules consistently and instead opt to exercise their own discretion. As Mr. Rosenstein noted last year, “the goal of a federal criminal investigation is not to announce our thoughts at a press conference. The goal is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to justify a federal criminal prosecution, then allow a federal prosecutor who exercises authority delegated by the Attorney General to make a prosecutorial decision, and then - if prosecution is warranted - let the judge and jury determine the facts.”
continued
The chat with Mr. Stephanopoulos also featured an extended discussion of the flaws Mr. Comey sees in Donald Trump . Jonathan Turley observes in The Hill that as the former FBI chief embarks on a book tour, he is once again trashing FBI policy and protocol. Regarding the ABC appearance, Mr. Turley writes:
Comey was largely unchallenged in the interview as he claimed to be the “guardian” of the FBI. If true, it is a curious way to go about that. Comey was the most senior person investigating the president, and that investigation is ongoing. Prosecutors and former prosecutors are not supposed to discuss active investigations in public. It cannot benefit this investigation to have Comey hold forth on the underlying facts or reference disclosed and undisclosed evidence, nor is it helpful to his role as a cooperating witness. Witnesses are generally asked to avoid public comments, let alone tell-all books.
Notably, figures like John Dean and even Monica Lewinsky waited for underlying investigations and proceedings to end before cashing in or telling their stories. Not Comey. Timing is everything in a tell-all book, and telling this tale now will make him an exceedingly wealthy man. Comey has a history of acting in his own interest at such moments. When he was fired, he took memos he prepared during the investigation.
These were clearly FBI material, and four of the seven memos are viewed as classified. Comey never informed the FBI, and he gave four to a friend to leak to the press. He could have given them to investigators or to Congress, but he leaked them to control the press narrative.
"An unamed client of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal attorney, has been revealed as Fox News host Sean Hannity.
The revelation came after U.S. District Court judge Kimba Wood ordered Cohen's lawyer to disclose the name in a court hearing on Monday."
I don't think FBI Directors should tell people how to vote.
And I don't think that Presidents should tell FBI Directors how to conduct investigations of a President's friends.
Comey is no longer the FBI Director. Having been an FBI Director in the past, but having now returned to private life, does that bar Comey from public political opinions in the future and forever?
Thanks Rabel.
Does anyone know why the third client was revealed?
I understand that court proceedings are public record unless there is a good reason to keep them sealed. But why was the third client's name being brought up in court anyway?
If I had to guess, it would be that attorney-client privilege is the client's right. Therefore, the client must specifically assert it. And to assert it, he (or his representative) must come before the court, and be publicly identified.
Does that make sense to any lawyers out there?
Nonapod said...
I'm no fan of Hannity, but it certainly seems a very nastily timed leaked (right before the start or his show) by somebody most likely within the FBI. Once again, you can feel the contempt and shear absolute hatred from the Deep State apparatchiks for all things Trump their actions. The leak was clearly designed to humiliate Hannity, Trump's biggest unabashed cheerleader, out of nothing but spite.
Leak!?!?
I thought it was disclosed in open by the office of the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, upon the explicit order of a US District Judge overseeing matters pertaining to the subpoena of Cohen.
Apologies if someone already posted this.
Mark Penn, the former pollster for Hillary Clinton writes a good article on The Hill
Money Grafs:
Whether you are a Democrat who can’t stand Trump, a Hillary Clinton supporter who feels robbed by Comey, or a Trump supporter, any use of wiretapping and vast prosecutorial machinery against our political campaigns and sitting presidents always has to be viewed skeptically and should meet the highest standards of conduct and impartiality. The post-election actions of these former officials makes suspect their actions as officials.
It was, after all, Comey who went to the president during the transition seeking a one-on-one meeting to tell him about the inflammatory dossier, but who critically omitted telling the president that the dossier was a product of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
Comey is a clown. Nobody likes him. Trump's enemies are willing to shag him for a one-night stand and then discard him, but that's not much.
The media are falling all over a guy they hated when he didn't do the Strozk-McCabe dance for Hillary.
"So Comey was terrified Trump might grab his pussy?"
Which is why Comey makes note in his book that Trump has small hands. Good news! Trump's small hands are not large enough to grab Comey's GIANT pussy.
"I thought it was disclosed in open by the office of the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, upon the explicit order of a US District Judge overseeing matters pertaining to the subpoena of Cohen."
See above re Solzhenitsyn. Legal but malicious.
Chuck said...
And I don't think that Presidents should tell FBI Directors how to conduct investigations of a President's friends.
Good thing Trump never did that. And good thing we know this for a fact, and that we have known this since Comey testified before congress. And Comey knew this first hand from day one.
How do we know this for a fact, you might ask? Because Comey testified to congress that Trump, as head of the executive branch, had the constitutional authority to order Comey to not investigate Flynn. But we know that Comey never stopped investigating Flynn. Therefore, we know that Trump never told Comey to not investigate Flynn.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
Chuck said...
And I don't think that Presidents should tell FBI Directors how to conduct investigations of a President's friends.
Good thing Trump never did that. And good thing we know this for a fact, and that we have known this since Comey testified before congress. And Comey knew this first hand from day one.
How do we know this for a fact, you might ask? Because Comey testified to congress that Trump, as head of the executive branch, had the constitutional authority to order Comey to not investigate Flynn. But we know that Comey never stopped investigating Flynn. Therefore, we know that Trump never told Comey to not investigate Flynn.
But among a great many other things, Trump told Comey to go easy on Flynn. (One example, only.) And the fact that Flynn eventually got charged, pled guilty, and is now a cooperating witness does NOT vitiate a possible Obstruction of Justice charge against the President if the facts and investigation merit it. (in common parlance, you don't need ot actually succeed, in "obstructing justice," to be charged.
In the words of the immortal Jimmy Reed:
Well you ain't so big
You just tall, that's all
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I assumed those conversations were confidential, but to be absolutely clear they never involved any matter between me and a third-party.
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Michael Cohen has never represented me in any matter. I never retained him, received an invoice, or paid legal fees. I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective.
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I really wish people would stop making comments about Chuck's children not having syphillis. Chuck lost his virginity to Palmula Handerson, and has remained in a lifelong monogomous relationship.
It is the height of cruelty to mock that they have no been able to conceive.
Be better.
Haha, now Hannity says he wasn’t Cohen’s client. Who is lying, Cohen or Hannity?
It's not a pussy and penis, feminine and masculine, issue. Both the feminine and masculine genders are assertive, disciplined, and even principled. It's not even about cats and dogs. Comey is a pajama boy, who served at and for the pleasure of his political mother and father. And, under threat of having his t-bird taken away, selected his principles to conform with their choices and interests.
Chuck said...
But among a great many other things, Trump told Comey to go easy on Flynn.
No, he did not. According to Comey ( for what that is worth ) Trump said "I hope you can let this go". Comey had already shown that he works off of the No Reasonable Prosecutor standard. It is not at all unreasonable for Trump to hope that Flynn's case would fall within that standard.
As I showed above, Comey clearly understood this was not an order, or Comey would have followed it ( or resigned in protest, if he felt it was an improper order. )
From elsewhere:
"In 2002 Stormy Daniels made po*n videos for Hustler that is owned by Larry Flynt.
In 2006 Stormy Daniels has her picture taken with Donald Trump at a golf tournament.
In 2007, Larry Flynt took out a full-page advertisement in the Washington Post that said: "Have you ever had a sexual encounter with a current member of the United States Congress or high-ranking
government official?" Flynt offered $1 Million BOUNTY for evidence of such
a tryst, providing a toll-free phone number and email to report it.
In 2009 Stormy Daniels ran for Senate in Louisiana. It was a STUNT designed to embarrass the
Republican candidate for senate.
In 2009 just coincidently, Larry Flynt attacked the same Republican for senate because his phone number was found in a little black book owned by a Madam. In a story similar to Trump's, a former New Orleans prostitute said she had an affair with Senator David Vitter in 1999 (10 years
earlier) when he was a newly elected House member. The woman, Wendy Ellis, said
she saw Mr. Vitter, Republican of Louisiana, two to three times a week from July to November 1999.
In August 2010 Larry Flynt featured an "interview" with Stormy Daniels in Hustler Magazine titled “Politics and Porn Stormy Daniels Opens Up”
In 2011 Hustler's publisher targeted Rick Perry a Republican Presidential candidate, offering $1
million for anyone who can show Presidential candidate Perry having an illicit sexual liaison.
In 2011 the tabloid magazine In Touch reports that Stormy Daniels gave them an account of her 2006 encounter with “private citizen” Donald Trump in an interview that was conducted in 2011 when he was merely the star of The Apprentice.
On October 17th, 2016 Larry Flynt offered a $1 Million Bounty on Donald Trump to be paid to any woman that had "verifiable video footage or audio recordings for use prior to the November 8 election clearly showing Donald Trump engaging in illegal activity or acting in a sexually
demeaning or derogatory manner."
On Oct. 28, 2016, just 11 days before the election, to extort money from Trump, Stormy threatens to "tell her story". We still do not know the story is true. The timing just days before the election was to extract the most amount and Stormy extracted $130,000 through Trumps attorney and signed a Non-Disclosure agreement.
What else should have Trump or his attorney have done when attacked by a blackmailing po*n star
with a history of attacking Republicans backed by an individual offering a $1 Million Bounty? Or was Stormy's acceptance of the $130,000 just part of a plan to attack and set up Trump later, in the event he won the election, by individuals with a History of attacking Republicans?
And now we learn that Comey's FBI applied for and executed a secret search warrant for Bush CIA Director (and never-Trumper) Michael Hayden's private email in 2012.
Might explain the never-Trumperism.
Continued
In October 2017 Larry Flynt published a full-page ad offering a $10 Million Bounty on Donald Trump for "anyone" that came forward with information that would lead to the impeachment of the
President of the United States. $10 Million is certainly enough to motivate a desperate attorney currently under investigation for stock fraud and manipulation of a coffee company and owes many suppliers, employees and back taxes.
So, the media, rather than talk about someone attempting to affect elections by REAL ADS offering
$MILLION BOUNTIES in the newspaper we talk about "Russians" that placed FAKE ads on Facebook.
Rather than reporting about the REAL Crimes of BLACKMAILERS of private citizens of the United States that run for President being faced with "conspiracies" to Blackmail the media reports about the MADE UP "crime" of them paying a forced and illegally coerced "RANSOM" from the wrong checking account.
The same Media that focuses on Trump's alleged consensual affairs from over 10 years ago refuses to dig into the story of the long History of cover-up and Payment of RANSOM with
Tax Money on behalf of standing members of congress that have been similarly blackmailed.
The Target of this Kabuki Theater is not Donald Trump, it is the Americans that Voted for him to
assure they do not do it again. It is interference in the American election process that any Russian would be proud of."
@Buwaya,
See above re Solzhenitsyn. Legal but malicious.
Thanks a lot for that Solzhenitsyn clip. Read about his speech, but never actually listened to it. You are elevating the ranks here!
The POTUS can tell his FBI director to stop any investigation. He runs the executive branch.
But Trump didn't do that. According, to Comey trump *asked* him to "go easy" on Flynn. Which Comey didn't. And the investigation went on.
And Trump did nothing - for 4 months. Then Fired Comey. And the Investigation went on. And on. And on. But who cares about "intent"?
Meanwhile, Hillary destroyed 33,000 emails, but That's A-0K, because no "Intent".
That Comey stated last night - WITHOUT PROOF - that Trump "might" have obstructed justice, "Might" have paid hookers to pee on a Bed, and "Might" be a Russian Spy -just shows what a slimeball he is.
As Scott Adams stated, Comey "Might" be a space alien wearing a Human skin suit.
I mean, its possible. Prove me wrong.
If Hannity actually ISN'T a client, I hope this whole farce finally ends.
"As I showed above, Comey clearly understood this was not an order, or Comey would have followed it ( or resigned in protest, if he felt it was an improper order. )"
-- I believe Comey also testified he knew it wasn't an order.
Excellent twitter thread on questions that should be asked of Comey:
https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/985945309334286336
The temporary restraining order on Cohen’s documents has been denied, lol. Cohen and Trump are not having a good day.
Regarding the Cohen hearing, I like the comment, Mr. Cohen has more lawyers than clients.
"Why do the clients names have to be revealed if the issue is potential criminal actions by the attorney?"
-- The same reason divorce records get unsealed. Because it shows who is in charge.
Cohen has two clients, lol! Trump’s lawyer threw Hannity under the bus! LOL! Lord, ya can’t make this stuff up.
"Regarding the Cohen hearing, I like the comment, Mr. Cohen has more lawyers than clients."
-- Isn't that true for most high-profle lawyers? How many clients did Cheryl Mills have?
Trump’s lawyer threw Hannity under the bus! LOL! Lord, ya can’t make this stuff up.
Judge Kimba Wood, (remember her?) demanded he publicly reveal the clients' names.
The malice with which all this campaign is conducted is just amazing and revealing.
I explained to some Ricochet members the "John Doe" abuse of power. Some had never heard of it and immediately recognized the similarity.
"Lord, ya can’t make this stuff up."
You make up plenty of stuff, you retarded sow. Like a child for claiming moral authority ofr any argument. Nice to see you and Chuck singing the same tune today though. Even those with down syndrome deserve a companion.
-- The same reason divorce records get unsealed. Because it shows who is in charge.
Yup. And those Deplorables need to be taught a lesson.
"Judge Kimba Wood, (remember her?) demanded he publicly reveal the clients' names. "
-- He should have refused. There was no reason to demand it other than for leverage.
I like the comment, Mr. Cohen has more lawyers than clients.
My former partner has a son who is a lawyer in New York. He was formerly (and may still be) with Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher.
He has one client, in Japan. He makes about $ 5 million a year.
You obviously are more familiar with ambulance chasers.
I didn't see "David Dennison" listed among Michael Cohen's 3 or 4 clients.
"Judge Kimba Wood, (remember her?) demanded he publicly reveal the clients' names. "
-- He should have refused. There was no reason to demand it other than for leverage.
It could have been done in chambers. This is just malice.
Cohen is a dumb as a brick lawyer, he attended the worst law school in the country. There is a very low probability that Hannity actually went to Cohen for 'legal' advice. That doesn't, of course, mean that Hannity actually did something illegal.
He could have refused but it would undermine his attorney-client privilege argument. Which Hannity promptly disclaimed anyway.
It seems to me that the big news of the interview was that Comey inadvertently showed that Trump is not guilty of collusion. He said that Trump, when confronted with the dossier, immediately and repeatedly asked Comey to have the FBI investigate the accusations in the dossier. This is decidedly NOT the actions of a guilty mind! Trump, being aware, as no one else would be, of the truth or lack thereof of the accusations would certainly not have asked to have the FBI investigate his crime if he had committed one.
Nice to see you and Chuck singing the same tune today though.
Chuck and Inga can be combined into a hybrid, which we could call 'Chinga'. It would be a hit here in the Southwest.
So Trump’s lawyers won’t get their grubby fingers on Cohen’s files first, in order to claim executive privilege. This is extraordinary. Good news for anyone who respects the rule of law.
"So Trump’s lawyers won’t get their grubby fingers on Cohen’s files first, in order to claim executive privilege. This is extraordinary. Good news for anyone who respects the rule of law."
-- What are you even talking about? This is not extraordinary. It is exactly what was expected, given the judge. No one expected the judge to give Trump the same courtesy Clinton got in deciding what was and was not submitted to the FBI.
This is exactly the double standard we expected.
I am not quite clear on why it is OK to release the names of all of Cohen's clients. Does this not violate the Attorney Client Privilege rule. Why should other unrelated people have their names released?
When I was working as a Fiduciary, RIA, financial advisor and financial planner....I was forbidden to even disclose if anyone WAS my client or not. Confidentiality was KEY...not just by the regulations but as a matter of professionalism and trust between my clients and myself.
It didn't matter if you are the daughter, wife, mother of one of my clients. Unless you have legal document in your hands that has been certified, you aren't getting any information from me. Not even a yes or no on whether your father, husband, son is even a client. Nope....nothing.
If YOU DO have a legal document stating you are entitled to the information for a specific client then I can give you that information (very reluctantly). This happens. However, I have never had a legal request to release the names of ALL of my clients. Or have their names announced to the general public.
To release even "just" the names of ALL of my clients, not information in their files but only their names, because perhaps one of my other 'peeps' was in a legal jam, seems to me to be a gross violation of privacy and a very very broad fishing expedition.
If I was one of those unrelated clients....I would sue.
Chingadera is the second most important Mexican word after Cabrón
“What are you even talking about? This is not extraordinary. It is exactly what was expected, given the judge. No one expected the judge to give Trump the same courtesy Clinton got in deciding what was and was not submitted to the FBI.”
Oh please, stop whining.
Dondestalbaño
nadataco
... Kimba M. Wood, a judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, ordered that Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, Stephen Ryan, disclose in open court the name of a client in question, who turned out to be Mr. Hannity.
What proper purpose is served by a judge demanding the disclosure of the identity of somone who sought legal advice from an attorney whose office and home was raided by the FBI?
Was Kimba Wood the judge who signed the Cohen warrant for the FBI search?
I hope Dershowitz is on Hannity tonight.
“Does this not violate the Attorney Client Privilege rule.”
No.
Attorney client privilege covers communications, between the lawyer and his client, not the fact you are some lawyer’s client.
"You obviously are more familiar with ambulance chasers."
Your acquaintance at GDK has multiple lawyers representing him in court? His Japanese (institutional, I presume) client might be perturbed.
The premise of this application was that Cohen had thousands of a-c privilege documents of his many clients in the hands of the prosecutors. He was summoned to today's hearing because the judge on Friday did not believe the claims by his lawyers in his absence. Today they were shown to be full of holes. From Hannity's tweets, it sounds like there's not a single document risking disclosure of an a-c communication with Hannity.
Another indication of the farce unleashed by Cohen's application. One reporter at the hearing tweeted:
Judge Wood, to Cohen's attorneys: "It’s not that you’re not good people. It’s that you’ve miscited the law, at times."
"Was Kimba Wood the judge who signed the Cohen warrant for the FBI search?"
No, a magistrate judge signed the warrant. Then the Cohen application got assigned to her under SDNY assignment rules.
It isn't whining. There's no surprise. This is a cold hard fact.
Just like I've been saying no Clinton crony will suffer serious consequences, there should never have been any doubt that the courts and FBI would use every means necessary to reveal private relationships and documents.
There was no legitimate reason for needing that answer in court. All it did was expose whoever got named to innuendo and their reputation being damaged. Which was the point. To punish.
"I am not quite clear on why it is OK to release the names of all of Cohen's clients. Does this not violate the Attorney Client Privilege rule. Why should other unrelated people have their names released?"
Sometimes disclosure of the name is itself a violation, but no attempt was made to demonstrate that beyond saying the client is famous. The first amendment applies to court proceedings, so there is a high burden to keep matters in court proceedings sealed. Thanks to litigious media outlets, much higher than it used to be when I started practicing in early eighties. It's one of the reasons parties with confidentiality issues go to arbitration, as Cohen tried to do here in the related civil dispute with Stormy Daniels. But no arbitration for proceedings involving US government.
The Hannity news is going to push everything else off the front page for a while, but I just saw a great little story, which is that the Trump Campaign made two substantial payments to attorney Charles Harder in Los Angeles.
Harder is the guy who got nationally famous for suing Gawker on behalf of Hulk Hogan. The Trump family also hired him to go after outlets that published stories about Melania being a hooker in Europe. And he represented Melania when they threatened litigation and issued a cease-and-desist letter in the matter of a YouTube video that allegedly offered video evidence that Barron Trump was autistic.
Harder's latest work was on the enforcement (not the negotiation) of the Stormy Daniels NDA. But the fact that the Trump Campaign paid Harder makes it a lot, uh, harder to claim that silencing Stormy Daniels was not a campaign function. Which thereby fucks up Michael Cohen's campaign contribution-limit defense. And heaps more pressure on the question of whether Trump knew about the deal.
It's all pretty fabulous. Stormy Monday! Little wonder that Trump wanted to keep the National Enquirer on retainer.
Chuck
Stop with the autism. Please. I realize it is an obsession of yours but just stop. Sick, dude, sick.
Inga said...
Attorney client privilege covers communications, between the lawyer and his client, not the fact you are some lawyer’s client.
Not so fast...
Seems to me that lack of privilege is the general rule when the client is a party to the proceeding, not an unrelated client whose identity is swept-up in an FBI fishing expedition of the lawyer's premises.
This principle was the original justification for the rule excluding the client's identity from the attorney-client privilege. The rule, therefore, is rooted in civil litigation-particularly in ejectment suits where the parties to the litigation might be ignorant of the identity of their opponents. In civil litigation generally, where the client is either the plaintiff or the defendant, the principle of identifying parties to litigation should be applicable. It is certainly within the court's power to require the parties directly involved in its proceedings to be identified. The fundamental premise of our adversary procedure is that the parties to litigation are vitally interested therein and that the judgment can affect their interest. If attorneys were allowed to appear in court and represent unidentified litigants, there would not be the necessary clash of adverse interests. Judicial machinery may be abused by parties to litigation remaining unidentified.
https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=3250&context=uclrev
Why did Cohen attorney Stephen Ryan say that Hannity would be "embarrassed" if his name were associated with the other two (count 'em, two!) Cohen clients in 2017?
Listening to Hannity, it wouldn't seem to be "embarrassing" to have asked Cohen a few legal questions. But that is how the New York Times quoted Ryan.
This weasel reasoning that Comey is supposed to be loyal to 'The Constitution" rather than the President does not wash. Under the Constitution, the President is Comey's boss. The Constitution is what makes him the boss. The Constitution spells out exactly who has the authority to correct the President if need be - Congress, and the voters. It is no part of the FBI Directors job to decide for himself what he thinks "the Constitution' says or requires.
Of course if the FBI Director is not comfortable with the lawful orders given by his superior he is free to resign. But it is never his place to impose his own notions of "law" or "the Constitution" on the people who the Constitution itself explicitly vests that power in. This is disloyalty to the Constitution.
Michael said...
Chuck
Stop with the autism. Please. I realize it is an obsession of yours but just stop. Sick, dude, sick.
You should ask "President Mom-Jeans."
By the way, the Trump family attorneys have stated in writing that Barron Trump is not autistic. And I know nothing more than that. Only what Harder wrote.
Q said...
This weasel reasoning that Comey is supposed to be loyal to 'The Constitution" rather than the President does not wash. Under the Constitution, the President is Comey's boss. The Constitution is what makes him the boss.
The "Don." They call him the "Don." Comey would have been known as a Caporegime. And then there are "buffers." The Trump family got a lot of buffers, Senator.
Blogger Rabel said...
"An unamed client of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal attorney, has been revealed as Fox News host Sean Hannity.
The revelation came after U.S. District Court judge Kimba Wood ordered Cohen's lawyer to disclose the name in a court hearing on Monday."
Two thoughts:
(1) Why do we care? Why is this important, other than to somehow smear Hannity?
(2) This is starting to look like the Wisconsin John Doe investigation with raids of homes and businesses along with confidential names and facts being revealed willy-nilly.
"Senate Republicans are furious at Trump, for the 2018 midterm fiasco."
Chuckie, your wishes are sticking out a little too far.
Could a judge dekand Gosnell name the women who had abortions in court to determine if the court wanted to respect their privacy?
Boy ! We sure are fortunate to have all these $5 million lawyers, like readering and chuck and Inga.
Could a priest be forced to say who came to confession? If they could, would we think that was a wise use of the court's power?
I vaguely remember we can't force Fusion GPS to tell us who their clients are. Why do their clients have stronger protections than Cohen's?
"If a President were to remove him early, without good cause, in the midst of an investigation of the President’s campaign by the FBI, the President should be investigated for obstruction of justice.”
You do realize that Comey repeatedly told the President he was NOT under investigation, right? And that they never existed any justification for any such "investigation"?
The worst part is a responsible judge could have gotten the information in a better way. This way was almost guaranteed to see whoever got named be accused of hiring Cohen to hide a mistress.
We had a president remove a non partisan investigator during his tenure and end the investigation. Nothing happened to Obama. Wht should Trump play by different rules?
“Boy ! We sure are fortunate to have all these $5 million lawyers, like readering and chuck and Inga.”
Chuck and readering are attorneys, I just do a bit of easily accessed research, that’s available to anyone. Plus I know if I’m wrong, someone will let me know.
NEWS FLASH:
Mueller's spokesperson seems to indicate the Michael Cohen to Prague story is wrong.
Women and fopdoodles hardest hit.
Now there are three OIG reports coming.
That will be interesting and, I expect they will burst a few bubbles.
Inga said...
I just do a bit of easily accessed research, that’s available to anyone. Plus I know if I’m wrong, someone will let me know.
See my law review citation above @ 4:44.
If Cohen was not in Prague... The dossier takes another credibility hit.
Michael K said...
Now there are three OIG reports coming.
You know you're over the target when the flack gets heavy.
Looks like the FBI's vaunted "taint team" concept won't keep the agency from once again being ... tainted, along with Judge Wood.
I thoroughly expect Dershowitz to be freaking-out right about now.
That review of the transcript is truly damning.
Compare the behavior of Comey in meeting Trump to Sgt James Crowley meeting Obama. Crowley never apologized for his actions even when facing the scorn of a sitting President. Rather than suggest the President was obstructing justice, Crowley agreed to meet with Obama and explain his duty as a officer directly to the President.
Senate Republicans are furious at Trump, for the 2018 midterm fiasco.
That's comedy gold. If there is a "2018 midterm fiasco" for the GOP, then the blame for that will rest squarely with the Republican Congress, and in particular with the Republican Senate, which has spent the last several years acting like the Auxiliary Wing of the Progressive Movement. Trump is infinitely more popular than the Congressional Republicans are, because he has at least attempted to do the things he was elected to so.
Good news for anyone who respects the rule of law.
You are seriously fucked in the head if you think this has anything to do with rule of law.
It never has been.
And I can't believe you don't think this is going to come back and bite you in the ass someday. Because if you don't, you're even dumber than I thought.
“And I can't believe you don't think this is going to come back and bite you in the ass someday. Because if you don't, you're even dumber than I thought.”
Calling you a retarded gnat is an insult to the gnat. It has everything to do with the rule of law. Trump isn’t above the law and as these cases keep getting heard in the courtroom we’ll keep seeing your side being defeated by the law of this land.
There are going to be a large number of Trumpists in for disillusionment and disappointment and it’s coming closer day by day.
Looking for a rationale for Judge Woods' order to Cohen reveal the names of his clients, all I've found is that since the issue before the court is the privacy afforded by attorney-client privilege then he must publicly reveal the names of his clients so that the judge can make a ruling on whether their identity is privileged and therefore private.
If that seems bass-ackwards, it's because it is.
I'd ask Althouse for her opinion but that might make me a client in the eyes certain judges and then Althouse could later be forced to rat me out to the feds when they go after her for not conforming to their favored political positions.
The Rules of Professional Responsibility circumscribe the lawyer's duty to the client, and would protect the lawyer for his voluntary disclosure of a client's identity, in particular when his client is a party to litigation or a criminal proceeding.
The law as to whether a lawyer can be compelled to disclose the identity of a client who is not a party to legal proceeding is entirely different.
I'd ask Althouse for her opinion but that might make me a client in the eyes certain judges and then Althouse could later be forced to rat me out to the feds when they go after her for not conforming to their favored political positions.
LOL! ;-D
I wrote the above comment responding to Inga's now deleted assertion that the Rules of Professional Conduct is the governing law.
Unlike some non-lawyers here, I would not presume to pronounce judgment on the legal complexities of attorney-client relationships. But this situation with Cohen certainly stinks to high heaven.
EDH said...
You know you're over the target when the flack gets heavy.
Comey must have landed on the target based on the level of the President's response.
The Hannity hit job smells like Clinton revenge.
What I find amusing is that there is more outrage over the release of Hannity’s identity as Cohen’s client ( which he denied) than the fact that the restraining order that was being sought by Cohen’s lawyers to limit the governments ability to see Cohen’s documents, was denied.
"There are going to be a large number of Trumpists in for disillusionment and disappointment and it’s coming closer day by day."
Forget it, guys. Inga was all in for the John Doe cases.
Fascism comes in on little cat feet, like the Chicago fog,
And if there is one thing Inga knows about, it's cats.
“I wrote the above comment responding to Inga's now deleted assertion that the Rules of Professional Conduct is the governing law.”
Oh sorry EDH, I decided to not get into the weeds any further than I already did. There are so many exceptions, one has to go to law school to understand them! Go figure.👩🏻🎓
"A judge considering how to handle records seized in an FBI raid on President Donald Trump’s personal attorney wrapped up a hearing into the matter Monday without making a final decision.
U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood says she trusts prosecutors to review the materials, but may allow a neutral third party to weigh in as well.
Lawyers for Trump attorney Michael Cohen had asked for the appointment of a so-called special master to review the material and make sure nothing protected by attorney-client privilege winds up in the hands of investigators.
Wood said she would consider the idea."
Well, Michael..that teenager had to be put in his place by Weis and his crew...
Serves him right for picking those parents.
Inga wrote: What I find amusing is that there is more outrage over the release of Hannity’s identity as Cohen’s client ( which he denied) than the fact that the restraining order that was being sought by Cohen’s lawyers to limit the governments ability to see Cohen’s documents, was denied.
You seem a bit shocked at the decision yourself. As for Hannity, I'm not a fan. It just strikes me as very passive aggressive and malicious -- something that a Clinton would applaud.
EDH said...
You know you're over the target when the flack gets heavy.
ARM said...
Comey must have landed on the target based on the level of the President's response.
Excellent point of clarification.
Trump isn't over the target, the OIG is. But Trump is catching the flack as a distraction from the OIG being over the target, because attacking the OIG wouldn't advance the anti-Trump narrative.
Inga said...
What I find amusing is that there is more outrage over the release of Hannity’s identity as Cohen’s client ( which he denied) than the fact that the restraining order that was being sought by Cohen’s lawyers to limit the governments ability to see Cohen’s documents, was denied.
Cohen is the target of the probe for his alleged wrong-doing. Who's ever argued Cohen is above the law?
Even Cohen said "I just want my stuff back."
The question is whether a lawyer is being squeezed in an unprecedented and unequal (see Clinton lawyer Mills, granted immunity) manner by the government specifically for the purpose of "turning-over" that attorney to get to his client(s).
My concern is with the rights of his clients, including Hannity and Trump, and the legal standard this sets for every attorney-client relationship.
Any excuse that this is "only to get Trump" is not reassuring.
"I just want my stuff back."
Sorry..that reads kinda funny..
Chuckles is setting the new standard for passive-aggressive beta males.
Ok, I have thought about this all day. I understand the judge is pushing the envelope. Fine. Sure. And I understand the FBI is going after a lawyer and that might be a Constitutional violation. And maybe improper. Fine.
From the other side, I understand this is the biggest thing ever. And Trump is now officially toast and no longer president. Fine. Sure. And now Hannity is guilty of having talked to an attorney. Ok, fine. Sure thing.
But I quite honestly cannot imagine how this matters to anybody who is not an absolute news junkie. It is not a story. It's a Rorschach Test ink blot for blog commenters. Can anybody explain how this matters in a broader context.
(I do think this was predictable and buwaya and Matthew Sablan have the measure of this event. But I think this is overhyped and will move the needle, if anything, in Trump's favor. The witches earn sympathy.)
This is such a very special edition of Hannity!
I am enjoying very much.
Sean might hurt himself in this very special opening monologue.
Inga said...
"Plus I know if I’m wrong, someone will let me know."
Oh, Shit! You mean we're supposed to tell you every freakin' time? I'm sorry, Igna, I had just assumed you knew by now that you're almost always wrong, and we could get by with the occasional rolled-up-newspaper-slap on the end of your snout. I mean, you're an idiot. You can't even think. You must know that by now. You should be right about half the time, just by accident, but you have this uncanny ability. Or maybe it's your sources. Anyway, here's for your next few comments;
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
But good call the other day on Cosby.
Chuck
You are lying. Trump did not tell Comey to do anything re Flynn. He asked. Asking is not telling.
May I remind everyone that Comey has been a Clinton critter since Whitewater.
Even his private sector gig had Clinton connections. His terrier weasel character fits perfectly with his servant to corruption roles. And the FBI good guy act is just that, a fantasy. The man is crazy as well as corrupt.
https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/recovery-opinionanalysis-on-comey-and-draining-the-swamp-a-note-on-education/
It must be..if you're foregoing Maddow.
I was wondering when those ghouls in the MSM would get around to this. Since we can now no longer simply dismiss the possibility that Trump pals around with prostitutes, then one of the main arguments for automatically dismissing the pee tapes story has collapsed, which leads us to this appalling piece by some hack named Michelle Goldberg.
ARM, you are hoping for a "pee tape" so bad you are wetting your panties.
The ones with little flowers on them.
Hannity is so wound up he just introduced Alan Dershowitz without mentioning Dershowitz’s name.
Wooooops!!!! Dershowitz tells Hannity he should have disclosed his professional relationship with Cohen the last time they were on air together discussing the Cohen search warrant.
Projection of your part. I am shocked! Shocked that the MSM would go there.
My 7:47pm comment awaits a response. Can anybody help me see the value outside the type of people who comment on blogs? This seems like an inside baseball conversation about the infield fly rule.
I cannot get the importance.
My rescue dog does not like "cat persons". Even if they are close relatives, she stands off from them when they come over. It takes her a long time to build trust for a "cat person".
I'm not saying she's a good judge of character---but she would not like James Comey.
In itself it's just a,sign that effendi Mueller is not concerned with amy boundaries. So is the never trump contingent.
Oddly lanny Davis who firtash returned as a,client or Waxman who has represented deripasha for nearly 10 years has nothing to fear
Looking forward to turning a page . . . .
Hillary should be in prison for her Private Server and instead we get the clown show for the Hillary Clinton lost butt hurt revenge.
Laws and law enforcement are NOT for corruptocrats.
Of course they went after Cohen because he challenged Steele representation inn the dissier.
“Hannity is so wound up he just introduced Alan Dershowitz without mentioning Dershowitz’s name.
Wooooops!!!! Dershowitz tells Hannity he should have disclosed his professional relationship with Cohen the last time they were on air together discussing the Cohen search warrant.”
LOL! Oh damn I missed it. I’ll have to catch it later.
Just like they went after van der swaan because his father in law challenged Steele in court on london.
Judge Kimba Wood is of course the handpicked pal of George Soros and officiated at his wedding.
Which helpfully provides context for why she ordered ALL of Cohens records be loaded into a federal database for easy searching.
Not to worry though, i am positive the integrity and confidentiality of this material is of utmost concern to the NY prosecutors.
Its just that sometimes, sometimes, terminals are accidentally left on and unattended.
Stuff just happens sometimes.
It sure looks like Mueller/Comey/Rosenstein have successfully picked up where FusionGPS and Nellie Ohr left off.
They went after Nader and Briody because they represent dubai shirts 're the Qatari skins. Which has been trying to take over the brotherhood leadsrship
readering said...
Looking forward to turning a page . . . .
Not going to find many novels more entertaining than this story.
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