I didn't want to put this in the headline, because I keep getting email from Google Ads saying they're punishing me for failing to stay within the bounds of good taste, but I come from a time when "mother" was an epithet that meant "motherfucker." Based on Urban Dictionary, I think that usage is dead.
But so what did Laura Ingraham say about David Hogg if she didn't call him a mother[fucker], which I agree would be out of line?
She just said: "David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it. (Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates.)"
Why is that boycott-the-advertisers material? Yes, it was a little mean to use the word "whines," considering that Hogg is only 17 or 18 years old, but he's made himself a big public figure and he issues denouncements of others, so using a modestly judgmental word to describe his tone of voice is really nothing. Especially compared to calling him a motherfucker, which is what I thought happened.
So this is really a story about insanely over-the-top reaction.
And look, it's Hogg himself setting the fire of overreaction and fanning the flames:
Soooo @IngrahamAngle what are your biggest advertisers ... Asking for a friend. #BoycottIngramAdverts— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) March 29, 2018
Pick a number 1-12 contact the company next to that #— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) March 29, 2018
Top Laura Ingraham Advertisers
1. @sleepnumber
2. @ATT
3. Nutrish
4. @Allstate & @esurance
5. @Bayer
6. @RocketMortgage Mortgage
7. @LibertyMutual
8. @Arbys
9. @TripAdvisor
10. @Nestle
11. @hulu
12. @Wayfair
Yeah, but he's a kid so don't criticize him!!! No, I've got to say he is an over-empowered inciter who's way too eager to break things. Kids need limits.
As for "You're a mother," that was somebody's tweet pushing back Laura Ingraham. Which I read as sexist. Are special demands for empathy imposed on women who have given birth? As long as that's considered a strikingly pithy argument — as WaPo's headline strongly implies — we'll never have a woman President... unless that tweeter meant Laura Ingraham is a motherfucker.
UPDATE: The headline is now: "Facing boycott, Laura Ingraham apologizes for taunting Parkland teen over college rejections." I'm tempted to say, I get results! But the apology is new:
“On reflection, in the spirit of Holy Week, I apologize for any upset or hurt my tweet caused him or any of the brave victims of Parkland,” Ingraham tweeted.Really only a nonapology. Sorry you're hurt.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 285 of 285Hogg and his fellow organizer were on Bill Maher the other week. It was interesting. They were typical 17 year olds - by turns funny, smart, unreasonably confident, lippy, insightful and dumb. The other guy was occasionally subtly hilarious. I thought their best point was that "WE ARE the experts" (we meaning the students at that school) in reference to their lived experience.
Considering David Hogg is a BULLY, running around screaming that if you do not agree with him "you have blood on your hands." - it would make sense that Hogg was and is a bully on other issues in High School.
3/29/18, 4:24 PM
Could be. Hogg could be the kind to make fun of Cruz, while Hogg with a couple of tough guys or a group for protection..not in a one on one though 'cause no doubt Cruz would go crazy on him.
I have been wondering how physically tough Cruz is since the first day. Only students at the school know.
Inga--I love the new profile photo. It is both mysterious and suggestive.
The fact that you are not all there is also suggestive, but that would be a matter of opinion.
Nonetheless, congratulations on coming up with a great new look.
“The fact that you are not all there is also suggestive, but that would be a matter of opinion.”
Hahaha! I guarantee you that I’m “all there”, beyond the confines of the avatar.
Matt said...
The personal insults are crazy. Let these kids have their say regardless of what they say or who happens to share their opinions. What matters more than opinions is taking the personal attacks off the table and having a conversation. Can adults please do this?
Why is it the many people making appeals to decency had nothing to say about Hogg claiming his opponents support the murder of children? Do they believe nothing can be indecent when in service of the left?
Be serious: there is no conversation with people who claim you support murdering children. People who claim to want conversations but don't push back on the initial hatefulness are revealing they don't want conversations but rather are supporting the hate by making the pushback against it less effective.
Here's what Laura Ingraham actually said:
You see this cat Hogg is a bad mother (Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Hogg (Then we can dig it)
He's a complicated man but no one understands him but his media handlers (David Hogg)
Inga's profile is photo IS great. One of the best I have seen. Can that be said without getting in a swipe at her?
All one needs to do is read Hogg's responses to realize just how stupid it was for Ingraham to apologize to this little shit.
In addition, thank you for listing the targeted advertisers. It's helpful to see who makes their marketing decisions based on the snarling spews of a 17-year-old asshole.
Good move, corporate. Enjoy those shareholder meetings.
King of the Hogg was whining. What difference does it make that he was rejected by four colleges when three others have said, "yes - please attend." FAU, just up the road in Boca has approved his application, as have Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo and Cal State San Marcos, just north of San Diego.
Attendance for non-residents in California will run $35K - $40K per year and Florida resident costs are about $25K. I am surprised to find that ex-government employees made enough in retirement to afford $40K per year payments for each of their kids. Perhaps Inspector General Horowitz should investigate sources of funds.
Let these kids have their say regardless of what they say or who happens to share their opinions.
I see. So, I'm supposed to just sit back and be called a murderer?
Nope.
Rick, why do you care about his opinion?
Why do you claim to desire a conversation? Since you think I'm not supposed to care about his opinion what would the conversation be about?
I'll bet if you had a chance to talk to him you would see he is not as strident as you think he is.
As I think he his? Surely you meant as he has spoken and written.
But I see the framing. They can slime and misrepresent us but we must deal with them in good faith granting even utterly implausible benefits of the doubt. This is usually what the far left means by a "conversation".
I've listened to Hogg. Calling people child killers is not a great reason for me to give him respect. Some level of respect is given default to people. If he wants to treat people like garbage that's fine. But, you don't get to call people killers and expect to be given extra respect.
I wonder how much benefit of the doubt I have to give people who claim to want to see people killed before they can be treated with as much circumspection as Joe the Plumber.
I'm very disappointed in Ingraham. Accusing the obnoxious little motherfucker of whining is over the line.
Let's get real.
David Hogg gets attention that he doesn't deserve because he is a lippy kid who had 17 schoolmates and teachers murdered. Who would care about the opinions of some 17 year old from East Yahoo, Florida, if he weren't saying what the media wants to hear (guns bad!) in the aftermath of a school bloodbath? His assistance from the gun grabbers tells you everything that anyone needs to know.
Having said that, Laura Ingraham should know better than to latch on to Hogg's own publicity machine, which is trying to get him into a more prestigious school than Cal Poly. She stepped directly on a banana peel by snarking at the kid. As someone above said, full ride offers from Yale, Harvard, and NYU have to be on the way.
There won't be any "conversation" with this guy because he knows what he thinks, and he is fast with the accusatory quip if you disagree with him. His fifteen minutes are just about over.
Calling Hogg out for his eliminationist rhetoric isn't name calling.
Does Hogg know how many defensive legal gun uses were reported last year? How many of those crimes is he willing to risk actually happening for what exact policy change? How does he want to address the systemic failure that let someone reported multiple times for violent crimes skate? If he wants to have a hard and serious conversation, let's. But I don't think he dies judging by his rhetoric.
By the way, if UCLA doesn't offer Hogg a full ride, he'll say they have "blood on their hands" for knuckling under to the NRA.
it’s time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children.
He's done a lot of mudslinding himself, accusing people of being murderers and loving money more than kids' lives.
And doesn't love thy neighbor include accepting their apology, assuming they are acting in good faith?
Love is patient and kind. Love knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited. 1 Cor 13
@Dickin’Bimbos, if David Hogg really believed that 6 million NRA members have blood on our hands, he would be curled up in the back of his closet sucking his thumb.
... He got his little sister to tweet the First Lady that he was being cyber bullied. Yeah. The guy who have the mob like tweet "nice x you got here, shame if something happened to it" is accusing others of cyber bullying.
Take the higher road and make a good argument for your side. Thanks.
Doesn’t work.
Rabel @ 5:00 for the ultimate mega bonus win.
Wayfair isn’t going to be much of a loss. We bought a corner unit for one of the bathrooms there. My partner had something very specific in mind, and found it there in an acceptable color. Turns out it was IKEA grade. Pressed board, etc. And one of the pieces was split. Took a bunch of pictures, anticipating that we would return it, but that piece is in the back, so you don’t notice it. And was cheap enough that it wasn’t worth returning. It looks good, which is what is Important, but I wouldn’t go there for any serious furniture.
Big Mike - Indeed.
I'm a moderate who doesn't own guns and am open to reasonable controls.
But when the other side starts saying they're willing to kill people to take their guns, I start thinking maybe the far right people afraid of confiscation or worse have a damn good point.
Wayfair is mass made crap all made in China. It's all crap. You want something of quality? don't go to Wayfair.
Please - the prices are great because it's garbage.
David Hogg has proven himself to be a whiney brat who would look to the tactics of a Kim Jung Un with approval.
Just like CNN.
OT: Wow Jeff Sessions is a disaster.
Why specifically?
Fox news should never mention Davide Hogg again. Suck all his oxygen out the room and let the leftwing shit shows like CNN and MSNBC have him.
The swamp lives.
I think it was Jonah Goldberg who coined the phrase, "clown nose on clown nose off" when describing Jon Stewart's tendency to protest, "It's only a comedy show" when he got called on some of his social commentary on the Daily Show. On the subject of Hogg that can rephrased to diapers on diapers off. When he gets called on some of the things he says, it's "I am just a little kid" "shame on you."
>>I'm a moderate who doesn't own guns and am open to reasonable controls.
How about:
1) You can't buy a gun if you are underage, addicted to drugs, have been treated for mental illness, or have a restraining order
2) You can't possess a gun if you are a convicted felon
3) You have to show a valid ID and be checked against state and national databases
Sound reasonable?
Most of those laws are on the books I believe.
At least one Sheriff candidate and his staff and multiple people at rallies and around the world. Hogg believes gun owners to be murderers but hasn't outright said to kill them.
The Kill the NRA memes speak for themselves.
Yes, the same 'career lawyers' that advised Sessions to recuse himself (Rosenstein) also advised him a special council wasn't necessary. The man is either obtuse, naive, or deep state.
Matt said... [hush][hide comment]
I'm only asking for adults to act like civil adults.
If this were true you would have pushed back against the left wing activists who both coached him and make the same comments. But you didn't. You made them only to people who criticize the left.
Then you act as if his saying his opponents desire to murder children is decent. No words of criticism at all even though that is far more abhorrent than anything said to him in return.
I'm a moderate as well.
Sure you are. All left wingers think they're moderates.
@DantheMan, those restrictions and more are already on the books. The issue is and has been enforcement. One of the laws on the books concerns straw purchases, making it illegal for an individual to buy a firearm on behalf of another person. Eleven months back a woman in a Chicago suburb, Simone Mousheh by name, was sentenced to twelve months probation and a fine of $679 for violating that law -- after purchasing four handguns to resell to Chicago gang members. In theory she could have been sentenced to twelve years in prison, but that's not what happens when officials can't be bothered to enforce laws already on the books.
Trump needs to find someone else to fill that position. Someone who will do their job and clean house at the State dept and the FBI.
John Scott said...
On the subject of Hogg that can rephrased to diapers on diapers off. When he gets called on some of the things he says, it's "I am just a little kid" "shame on you."
Diapers on/Diapers off...
worth a bold repeat.
DanTheMan said...
>>I'm a moderate who doesn't own guns and am open to reasonable controls.
How about:
1) You can't buy a gun if you are underage, addicted to drugs, have been treated for mental illness, or have a restraining order
2) You can't possess a gun if you are a convicted felon
3) You have to show a valid ID and be checked against state and national databases
Sound reasonable?
3/29/18, 5:39 PM
Who defines mental illness. Is taking anti-depressants or Ritalin or other mood changing drugs as prescribed a drug addiction? Are those people mentally ill?
Note: Not a gun nut.
He can't get anyone confirmed, and he knows it. Maybe Giuliani, but he's iffy as hell.
Right now he can. Sessions was controversial back when the left were scared of Sessions. Now the left see that Sessions is on their side, they love him.
Trump needs to find someone new before the mid-terms.
those restrictions and more are already on the books.
I think that was his point.
One Maine Republican candidate called Emma Gonzalez, a "skinhead lesbian". Regardless of one's political beliefs that's too much.
How about "lesbian spear chucker?" That was Orange County some years ago.
I still laugh when I think of it.
Every Word Leftists Say About Guns Is A Lie
YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!
Curious, but who said they are "willing to kill people to take their guns."? That is definitely extreme.
You're welcome.
Video showing Buncombe County sheriff’s candidate R. Daryl Fisher jokingly shrugging his shoulders at the thought of a gun being taken from the “cold, dead hands” of a gun restrictions opponent has sparked a wave of criticism as the clip has gone viral and received national attention.
Some joke.
Mr Hog is a bully?
He's a fucking 17 year old punk who doesn't know shit from shinola.
If he's 'bullying' you and you're over 21 - you're mentally defective -or the biggest wimp ever.
He looks like the kind of wimp who gets his shorts pulled down during PE class.
But hey, but if you want to be scared of him, be my guest.
What I am saying is critics should attempt to make reasonable arguments [some do] rather than call Hogg names.
I agree with this, but I also believe Hogg should not demonize his opponents. Instead he also should use reasonable arguments. That's a moderate position and why you aren't one.
One Maine Republican candidate called Emma Gonzalez, a "skinhead lesbian". Regardless of one's political beliefs that's too much.
But apparently saying your opponents support the murder of children is not.
But hey, but if you want to be scared of him, be my guest.
I'm not scared of Hogg, but Trumpit worries me.
But since tragedies like this do happen it would be nice if the adults out there stepped back a bit, let the students talk and give them the respect they deserve even IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR OPINIONS. Is that asking too much?
Under the circumstances, yes.
Hogg should be ignored. Ingraham's mistake was saying anything at all.
F the little gun-confiscating/blame-shifting "IF YOU WON'T CHANGE MY DIAPER YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS" turd.
The local authorities in Florida, you know the guys we should trust to help us, totally dropped the ball. Sheriff Hillary Clinton Israel, and the police officer(s) who waited outside the school for the gun fire to stop HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. Not the NRA.
"let the students talk and give them the respect they deserve"
Why do they deserve respect?
Big Mike said...
[But since tragedies like this do happen it would be nice if the adults out there stepped back a bit, let the students talk and give them the respect they deserve even IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR OPINIONS. Is that asking too much?]
Under the circumstances, yes.
I disagree with you here Mike. By giving him no respect you are giving him exactly the respect he deserves. Matt wants to pretend people give him no respect because they have differing opinions. That is false. People give Hogg no respect because he adopted the hateful and extremist rhetoric of the far left.
Not only is it appropriate to give such people no respect doing so is the only way respectful commentary can occur.
"But when the other side starts saying they're willing to kill people to take their guns, I start thinking maybe the far right people afraid of confiscation or worse have a damn good point"
But people who are anti-gun don't see how that affects them. Such people need to be asked what they will do when, after guns are pried from cold dead hands, the likes of that idiot sheriff decides you don't need 1st Amendment rights, or 4th, or 5th, etc. If they're willing to do violence to you to suppress your 2nd Amendment rights, then they're willing and more able to do violence to you over any other rights.
@Rick, I accept that as a friendly amendment.
Such people need to be asked what they will do when, after guns are pried from cold dead hands, the likes of that idiot sheriff decides you don't need 1st Amendment rights, or 4th, or 5th, etc. If they're willing to do violence to you to suppress your 2nd Amendment rights, then they're willing and more able to do violence to you over any other rights.
We're a long way from that. What we're not that far off from is Antifa attacking people while the local police shrug and claim they just can't prove anything.
If this sounds like the KKK colluding with the local sheriff in 1953 Mississippi it should.
Set an example. Laura Ingraham should have invited David Hogg to her show for an interview.
She did. In fact she was one of the first to do so.
Reminder: David Hogg said "NRA members are pathetic fuckers who want to keep killing our children."
Now he's all "Love thy neighbor" bro.
Diaper off/Diaper on.
There has to be a cause to deny people their nature rights, their civil rights, their human rights. Progressive gun control ignores causes, treats symptoms for profit, and manufactures ideological and partisan leverage. As well as destroys jobs and communities. The children were left vulnerable and defenseless by the anti-rights adventurers, a distracted FBI, an uncommitted Sheriff, and the habitual prosecutorial discretion, selection of progressive and liberal sects. The march and press bullhorns to deny people civil rights are not for the children.
A little punk like Hogg would love to shut you up and confiscate your guns. Because YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!
If you call him out on it, he'll tell mommy and contact your sponsors. Being mean to little kids is wrong.
David Hogg said "... pathetic fuckers who want to keep killing our children"
Is it gun owners? The NRA? He forgot the "fast and furious", Planned Parent, self-abortion, lunatic fringe, and criminal loopholes, which are, fortunately, rare.
Is it abortionists? Pro-Choicers? Twilighters? It's legal. Who cries at the clinic of the unknown child? The quasi-religious/moral loopholes, which are, unfortunately, common , legal, and even normalized.
Ben Shapiro drills down into Hogg's hypocrisy.
Ben says:
"I look forward to Hogg's apologies to Republicans ("sick f***ers"), Dana Loesch (she was "hypocritical and disgusting" for criticizing Broward Sheriff Scott Israel), and Marco Rubio (he said Rubio was bribed by the NRA to give away children's lives)"
Sheriff Isreal should be out of a job. But he's a loyal D - so dead teens are all cool. Now get back to blaming the Republicans and the NRA.
He reads his script like a good little child actor.
Mickey Rooney was better, though.
"I 100% agree an apology in an effort just to save your advertisers is not enough. I will only accept your apology only if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight. It’s time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children."
I'm going to be a grammar Nazi. The nuns taught me by 7th grade that that "I" in "...your network has treated my friends an I..." should be "my friends and ME" - the pretentious twit.
wouldn't surprise me if he was trying to shame those schools into admitting him
I honestly don't understand why being a celebrity like this little kid and saying stupid, ignorant and hateful stuff on TV would make him a good candidate for being admitted to college?
Someone is pushing him, funding him and doing PR for him. His role is to spew stupid stuff, which left-wing politicians like.
If you rate his IQ solely based on the logic and reason he uses in his statements - then it's hard to conclude he can even flip burgers at McDonalds.
"let the students talk and give them the respect they deserve"
I would like to hear a logical explanation why we should conclude based on the stupid crap that this little punk shares with this country that he is smarter than a door knob.
I want scientific analysis of his arguments...
I don't care about his emotions, I care about logic and reason.
"How about:
1) You can't buy a gun if you are underage, addicted to drugs, have been treated for mental illness, or have a restraining order
2) You can't possess a gun if you are a convicted felon
3) You have to show a valid ID and be checked against state and national databases
Sound reasonable?"
I agree - if we also make the same conditions for voting.
If you cannot own a gun, then you cannot vore either.
We don't need crazy violent undocumented imbeciles voting in our elections and deciding how to spend trillions of dollars and setting our national policy.
Sounds reasonable?
David Hogg’s brand of activism is working. Because of him I joined the NRA today.
Never use the word "thespian" in a random conversation. They'll likely hear it as lesbian, and think you're a bigot. I used to love drinking kefir, but don't use the word around South Africans because it sounds like Kaffir which is their equivalent of the N-word. There are surely other words that could be misinterpreted as another word. Often the misunderstanding can result in hilarity, but caution is advised. You might even end up in jail on a real bad day. So don't go around calling people "mothers," unless you want a knuckle sandwich. It is even worse in Latin America were mothers are sacred, and millions of people including guys have the name Maria somewhere in their name, e.g., Jose Maria.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/world/africa/south-africa-hate-speech.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_María_Olazábal
I cannot wait for this ‘15 minutes of fame’ to be over, so we can get to our regularly scheduled programming.
Then I realized this is our regularly scheduled programming.
(Seriously, something happens then the story isn’t about the ‘something’ but the obnoxious overreactions and counter reactions to something other than the event itself).
Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
I'm a moderate who doesn't own guns and am open to reasonable controls.
But when the other side starts saying they're willing to kill people to take their guns, I start thinking maybe the far right people afraid of confiscation or worse have a damn good point.
3/29/18, 5:26 PM
I’m glad that Mr. Sablan is here. When ever he posts, it is easily read, understandable and worth reading, and - agree or disagree - forms the basis of a cognitive argument.
Dan @ 5:39
Those thing are already the law.
I an a gun owner and I think I jump through enough hoops already.
No more.
Rusty,
"Those thing are already the law."
Yeah, that was his point!
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