Althouse: Are you listening to the children?

March 24, 2018

Are you listening to the children?

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: OK, technically you are correct. You suggested that our 300 million guns would be ineffective against MOABs and Nukes. So to be more true to your suggestion, educate me as to how a government uses MOABs and nuclear weapons on its own population and remains in power over anything worth governance.

Some points of order:

1. Given the support for the horrible and autocratic Trump administration there's a good chance that an American tyranny would still have a few million or hundred million gun owners to support it.

2. Being "worthy of governance" and remaining in power are two separate things.

Proceed again. There are many ways that tyranny can happen and remain in force. You folks are way more creative in your paranoia and pyromania than you are about politics and how social scenarios unfold. Especially in the autocracies that you think about the most.; 3/24/18, 9:08 PM
FullMoon said...: "Revolutionary" doubles down on appealing to mommy.

IT"S THE RULES! he cries. THE RULES!!!
oh, my bad. Did I break a rule, babyboy?

Lemme check:
Nope, that rule has been removed due to complaints from a far more intelligent and interesting commenter.

He has nothing but amusingly average insults, repeated through thousands upon thousands of comments.

No accomplishments
No degree
No responsibilities
No date tonight.

A phony. Reasonable intelligence wasted on a loser.; 3/24/18, 9:09 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Check out how the anti-sexist SJW "FullMoon" (who's a beta cuck) refers to women who successfully run their own websites:

The REVOLUTIONARY appealed to mommy.

The linguistic acrobat actually called on mom to enforce the rules...

Not very respectful to women, I'd say.; 3/24/18, 9:10 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "educate me as to how a government uses MOABs and nuclear weapons on its own population and remains in power over anything worth governance."

No nukes, but the LDS folks pretty much ignore Moab. It works just fine. Good mountain biking and the Green River is fun. Anywho, be there or be square (I think that's what you golden years-ers say). I may see ya.; 3/24/18, 9:12 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: IT"S THE RULES! he cries. THE RULES!!!
oh, my bad. Did I break a rule, babyboy?

Why not ask the woman who owns the website if you broke her rules?

Well, obviously you won't because you have no respect for women. Or anyone, really. Especially if they're successful with something that you mooch off of. Which explains why you needed to marry a woman way more successful than you in order to get your name on the deed for a house purchase.

Now go tell us about that "date" you've got planned for "tonight?" Will she "roll her eyes" at you again?

You and I both know (as does everyone here) that you will stay here tonight for as long as I remain on it. So obviously you'd much rather be dating me than anyone else who could properly be referred to as being "in your 'life'".

ROFLMAO.

Get a life, beta. Figure out your sexuality first, though.

Dumbass.; 3/24/18, 9:13 PM
Gk1 said...: How likely is any of this astroturfing to produce any concrete action? Its got to be the last thing democrats in red states want to talk about. Is it the plan to turn the democratic party into a bi-coastal national party. I don't get it.; 3/24/18, 9:15 PM
FullMoon said...: All kidding aside, how is your daddy, the original Revolutionary.
I remember you mentioning him once in a rather moving testimonial.
He get that early release?; 3/24/18, 9:18 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Its got to be the last thing democrats in red states want to talk about. Is it the plan to turn the democratic party into a bi-coastal national party. I don't get it."

Right,

I don't get it either. Why trade WI for Florida?

I don't not gots not no thinkin' re that there. I, like you, is stumped.; 3/24/18, 9:18 PM
Sprezzatura said...: W/ Foxconn taking over WI, we elitists can find slave-ish labor at home! And, these folks like being enslaved-ish!!

win-win.; 3/24/18, 9:19 PM
Unknown said...: Nice heel turn, Ritmo. Better put those on, your date will be there soon.; 3/24/18, 9:20 PM
Gk1 said...: You think Joe Manchin & Claire McCaskill want to talk about this? By all mean keep on keeping on.; 3/24/18, 9:21 PM
FullMoon said...: Gosh darn it, he called me a beta.

He is spittin' mad now. The alpha dog, haha!

The floppy eared pitbull of commenters.

Next, he will be threatening to "Knock out my last tooth"
Dang it, wish I had bookmarked that thread. He was full of piss and vinegar.

How's daddy, still kickin"?; 3/24/18, 9:22 PM
Gk1 said...: Democrats have to put up an act in order to get re-elected by the normals. This puts them on the spot. Why cover up what you believe? Let that freak flag fly!; 3/24/18, 9:23 PM
ceowens said...: @ Toothless, anti, Howard et all -

Do you folks, personally, have a right to defend yourself?

If so, how do you think that is best accomplished?; 3/24/18, 9:24 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Nice heel turn, Ritmo. Better put those on, your date will be there soon.

Will it be full-cuck Half Moon? Poor bastard's already fantasizing about father scenarios.; 3/24/18, 9:24 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: How's daddy, still kickin"?

Wish you had one, didn't ya?; 3/24/18, 9:25 PM
Sprezzatura said...: But, we need to make sure that all the toxins remain in the freedom loving middle.

And, we don't want to be on the hook for the costs associated w/ the damage done to these middle-ers. That would be taking away their dignity, individuality and freedom.

Carry on, WI. Et. al..; 3/24/18, 9:26 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: You should leave family out of it, Moon. Just because you don't have any (other than the one you mooch and grift off of) so it's rather unfair. I mean, I could insult your many foster parents and the state orphanage directors who raised you. But that's not really the same now, is it?; 3/24/18, 9:26 PM
FullMoon said...: He is putting on the Goth make now.

He will score tonight, he thinks.

Been "edging" all day LOL

No skills
No Degree
A phony.
Climate alarmist
Appeals to mommy to help him out
Appealed to Inga to help on another thread.; 3/24/18, 9:27 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Appealed to Inga to help on another thread.

I respect women's opinions about why a dumbass dude like you would repost a dozen comments about breasts over and over again.

Other than that, it's Althouse's blog. If you have so little respect for her, just say so. I mean, it's not like she can abandon you or anything. (Unlike your real mom). ;-); 3/24/18, 9:30 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: So Moon, you say sexism is bad. Does that mean you're a full-blown SJW or is that just an identity you play at when trying to get a much wealthier and better educated woman than you are to marry you?

How much of her money are you angling for? You know that California is a "community property" state.

You could GOOGLE what that means if you didn't distrust your own information gathering skills so much.; 3/24/18, 9:32 PM
buwaya said...: But PB&J,

What are you going to do about Chicago? Or any number of other embedded cases? Ethnic cleansing, or organized population swap a la Greco-Turk deal of 1923?; 3/24/18, 9:32 PM
FullMoon said...: He appeals to mom AGAIN.

Mom, who detests name calling and off thread comments.
Babyboy, most guilty of all, crying to mommy again

Not sure if that is ironic.
Inga chose not to take sides in that minor discussion.
You are used to the ladies ignoring you.

Tens of thousands of comments.
Not a single mention of degree, or accomplishment.

Let that sink in; 3/24/18, 9:36 PM
MD Greene said...: I don't own a gun and don't want one. But there are some other "targets" worth considering here.

1. The increase in gunfights/slaughter in the film -- think Quentin Tarantino, Baby Driver, etc. There are more gun battles in PG-13 movies than R-rated ones. It's hard not to think that this prevalence suggests such is a normal way to resolve conflict to young men in gangs and inner cities.

2. The video game industry, which basically consists of guys at computers imagining they are powerful and good when they shoot and kill large numbers of bad guys.

3. The media lore around Eric Harris, the Columbine psychopath who seems to have inspired everyone from that Anders Breivik in Norway to the Virginia Tech wack job to one recent shooter (I con't remember the name, and why should I?) who deliberately set out to kill "more people than Harris"

4. The failure of mental health people to listen to school psychologists and experts who recommended a year earlier that Erik Cruz be hospitalized for serious mental problems. We know that his mother, still alive at the time, would have agreed to it.

5. The widespread family breakdown that leads certain men abandoned by their fathers to conclude that their greatest chance for recognition is to kill people -- a reflection of rage and the absence of modeling honorable male behavior.; 3/24/18, 9:38 PM
FullMoon said...: His father is ashamed of him
His siblings and their children will inherit the
entire estate.

He will depend on them to supplement the meager SSI he receives.

His mom regrets she had not aborted him.; 3/24/18, 9:39 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: The only crying I'm seeing is from you, Moon.

Just let it go. You can't control everything, you know.

Not even that woman you married for her money and education.

Just sit back and hope the divorce doesn't come for a while. Her assets will one day grow enough to allow to take great pleasure in whatever you mooch off of her in your divorce "winnings!"

We need to think of a nickname for you that involves the word "palimony."; 3/24/18, 9:40 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Why don't you go call my mom up, Moon.

She actually knows how to video chat, too, so you can do that if you miss seeing a woman "roll her eyes" at you while you talk to her.; 3/24/18, 9:41 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "What are you going to do about Chicago? Or any number of other embedded cases?"

Funny that you said that. Even though my comments were meant to be BS, I did think that while I was typing.

Anywho, if I were to consider sussing out the absurdity (obviously appealing to yur sensibilities) I say that we need to take over some of Canada for a contiguous corridor.

And, maybe we go south to grab Austin.

Thankfully we could count of the DJT wall to keep the middle out of our southern corridor. But, we'd need Meridian walls (perhaps choosing Meridian Idaho and Mississippi for locating it (I'm a sentimentalist at heart)).

OTOH, maybe we can keep buying snake oil sales men to keep them in line. Cheaper.; 3/24/18, 9:42 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Tens of thousands of comments.
Not a single mention of degree, or accomplishment.

Let that sink in

Oh, I know. It takes such deep pondering to wonder why anyone would have the decency to not use a pseudonymous Blogger website as a platform for bragging about personal details. What a mystery. It's like we learned how to use the internet from someone other than Trump, or something.

God damn you are boring and naive and stupid.; 3/24/18, 9:50 PM
FullMoon said...: Blogger The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Why don't you go call my mom up, Moon.

She actually knows how to video chat, too, so you can do that if you miss seeing a woman "roll her eyes" at you while you talk to her.

3/24/18, 9:41 PM

Your birth mom calls me, goofy
And everyone down at the dive.
She old, but fun. Closet kinky, like you ;-); 3/24/18, 9:50 PM
Francisco D said...: Ann,

I really need to thank you for this blog.

As a former leftist who has many classical Liberal leanings, I have come to learn that todays Left is mostly stupid, crazy or disingenuous.

The names that apply to these characterizations should be obvious to even the most casual reader.; 3/24/18, 9:51 PM
FullMoon said...: He takes the red pill but doesn't date "American Women"

He is a fake. A Phony. He reads but does not experience.

He is generous but has nothing to give.

Never had a mortgage or paid rent.

Did not graduate, two years, at best

A "Revolutionary" who cries for rules to be enforced.

An alpha dog -with multiple names but one personality.; 3/24/18, 9:54 PM
buwaya said...: PB&J,

I find your corridor idea impractical.
Splitting however seems eminently practical.
I wonder why you think it isn't.
Remember that the status quo, in anything, is not forever.; 3/24/18, 9:56 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Fran,

She prefers to be referred to as "Althouse."

Presumably as a no-longer-lib-loser you'd like to have your actions speak louder than yur words (which are cheap). Presumably, even a casual reader has seen what Althouse states re how she wants to be referenced.

Sheesh.; 3/24/18, 9:57 PM
Michael K said...: Ritmo needs to work on his acne. Maybe he wouldn't be so angry if it cleared up enough to get him a date,; 3/24/18, 9:58 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Your birth mom calls me, goofy

I'm sure she would call you "goofy." You're a dumbass who merits much worse.

But enough with your fantasies. Tell us about your own mom.

Or was I right about the whole foster parent/orphanage thing?

He reads but does not experience.

So you go on about mothers and dads and families in general and can't tell anyone a single thing about yours other than the wife you use for cash. Talk about not having much experience - a dead giveaway. And yet, you think Blogger is a website for posting resumes.

Folks, you can't make this shit up. There actually are Republicans as dumb and full of shit as this FullMoon wacko. AND he's an SJW.

It just goes to show - like I said. Republicans will pretend to be anything. All the while calling others "phony" while they put on their masks.; 3/24/18, 10:00 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Buw,

Being serious for a second, why should we split?

The rubes in the rube states love their freedom. I don't say "what's wrong w/ Kansas," I say "Cool, Kansas et. al. want to work for slave-ish wages."

We just need to keep reinventing the hook. Regan and Bushes and now DJT. Must keep innovating after that. There's a human condition that results in folks accepting personal setback because they're mind is refocused. Obviously the North Korea example is the extreme. Here, cons are more easily directed.; 3/24/18, 10:02 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Republicans like FullMoon remind me of this guy. Watch to about 40 minutes in, at least. As he's bludgeoning one of the women he goes on about how he doesn't even care for that "do gooder" stuff and is actually A REPUBLICAN.

True story. Ted Bundy actually sought office as a Republican I think after interning for one.

He's full-moon all the way.; 3/24/18, 10:03 PM
FullMoon said...: "Revolutionary" explains.
Oh, I know. It takes such deep pondering to wonder why anyone would have the decency to not use a pseudonymous Blogger website as a platform for bragging about personal details.

Oh, I don't know. Seems most here have given an inking as to their profession without bragging.

He, on the other hand, has never, in thousands of comments over a decade has never made a mention.

Not even in his laid back, in a good mood , medicated long winded comments.

Interesting. Is it fear, or lack of accomplishment?

He has no degree
He has no women friends
He is a fake.; 3/24/18, 10:05 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Total FullMoon; 3/24/18, 10:06 PM
Jon Ericson said...: Welcome back, my friends.
To the show that never ends.
lol; 3/24/18, 10:08 PM
FullMoon said...: The "Revolutionary" said...

Republicans like FullMoon remind me of this guy. watch to about40 minutes in, at least. As he's bludgeoning one of the women he goes on about how he doesn't even care for that "do gooder" stuff and is actually A REPUBLICAN.

Haha! And people call me crazy?!

Yeah, we all gonna watch to "about 40 minutes in".
Man you really are goofy. You actually watch stuff on the 'net for over an hour?
Damn, you almost make me feel sympathetic. Poor guy!; 3/24/18, 10:09 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Interesting. Is it fear, or lack of accomplishment?

I think it's called "having a private life."

Ever had one of those? It seems if you did you would know the difference between pride or just simple enjoyment/satisfaction and feeling a need to brag to anonymous strangers. (Which is something you seem to love doing).

No one cares about you. Not a bit. And they certainly don't care about the one thing you posted over and over and over again to brag about.

Where are all your San Francisco friends tonight?

Is it possible for you to post anything but the same comment over and over again?

Have you ever thought about why it is that you obsess over me?

You are a pretty creepy guy, you know that? I think you're a sociopath but one of the dumber ones who can't think of how to outsmart the authorities long enough to at least go on a crime spree or two.; 3/24/18, 10:10 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Yeah, we all gonna watch to "about 40 minutes in".
Man you really are goofy. You actually watch stuff on the 'net for over an hour?

Actually, yeah. Everything these days is "on the 'net", you know? Can't your woman afford you a streaming Amazon Prime account or Netflicks? Cable is old school. To pay a cable monopoly exec's salary. You assholes like that though.

Anyway, for how many "40 minutes" increments have you been chasing me all around this thread and the web? I'd say that it's probably added up to a few days, at least.

That's a lot of time spent watching me, sociopath.

You get off on it? Does it work for you?

How many times have other commenters told you to get a room?

Has your wife seen your shrine to me, yet? Better hide it, or else the divorce will come sooner than you want.; 3/24/18, 10:14 PM
buwaya said...: PB&J,

Its because you are all suffering from an extreme cultural divergence, that pre-existed all the politics you are talking about, and to a great degree drives it. You can complain about politicians leading people about by the nose, and to an extent this is true. On the other hand, the people have been leading politicians around by the nose also. It is that hypocrisy thing, of it being the tribute vice pays to virtue.

The truth is that politicians aside, vast numbers of ordinary Americans hate the guts of vast numbers of other ordinary Americans, and keeping them together just increases the hate.; 3/24/18, 10:17 PM
FullMoon said...: He whines;
Have you ever thought about why it is that you obsess over me?

I told him multiple times.
He is an asshole.
I don't like assholes.
He is a fake "ladies man"

He insults commenters in an asshole way.
He is a loser.
He has nothing to brag about.
He has no degree.

He pretends to value privacy when fact is he has no profession or income.

He rises to the bait everytime. Classic insecurity.; 3/24/18, 10:20 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Moon's still watching the Ted Bundy clip.

I worry that it's giving him ideas.

Maybe he's more Andrew Cunanan though.; 3/24/18, 10:21 PM
Francisco D said...: ADS said: "Fran,

She prefers to be referred to as "Althouse."

Presumably as a no-longer-lib-loser you'd like to have your actions speak louder than yur words (which are cheap). Presumably, even a casual reader has seen what Althouse states re how she wants to be referenced."

I prefer to be referred to as Francisco D'Anconia. If you knew how to read you might get the reference.

That's enough. You are wasting my time.; 3/24/18, 10:21 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Lol. Standing up for all the commenters. Holden Caufield, Ladies and Gents. Their feelings are more important than the kids we're talking about.

He has nothing to brag about.

Why should I feel a need to brag to anyone, let alone you? You don't seem to understand that bragging IS insecurity.

He rises to the bait everytime.

Swatting you down is not "rising." It's just swatting you down, like a pest. A flea. Or a fly.

But it's telling that you don't know how to get attention any other way.

How many hours will you spend on here, chasing me around, Ted?

Saving the internet from the very few assholes on it. What a hero you are!; 3/24/18, 10:26 PM
MikeR said...: Terrorists do this too: use children as human shields.; 3/24/18, 10:27 PM
FullMoon said...: "Revolutionary Rules follower queries:

How many times have other commenters told you to get a room?

Blogger Pogo said...

Plus, I figger that once Ritmo Underpants arrives, the thread is already stick-a-fork-in-it d-e-a-d dead.

10/15/10, 6:27 AM

Humperdink said...

As I posted 10 hours ago, when the Ritster appears

the thread is dead. Need evidence? Read the previous

30 or so comments. Need more evidence? Wait for his

next guest appearance.
4/6/13, 6:36 AM

Alex said...

It's a given that as soon as Ritmo shows up the

thread is destroyed. There will be no good

discussions afterwards.
3/2/13, 3:25 PM

LOL; 3/24/18, 10:28 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: 30 or so comments.

How many comments have you added and what have they provided to the thread?

You actually think these commenters are waiting for your endless comments to me?

Too funny. You'll get yours in the end too, Ted.; 3/24/18, 10:32 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: You talk to Pogo a lot? What's he up to, these days?

Is he one of your imaginary internet friends?

How about Alex? Yes, this blog surely misses his first-rate "contributions" every time he's away.

Anyone else you need to crawl to for validation?

You are boring.; 3/24/18, 10:34 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Look at that file he keeps on me. Every thing I ever posted or that anyone else posted to me.

Every little detail. Mundane things. Not even anything funny or interesting. A jar of petty complaints.

So far just tonight he's spent at least a couple hours following me around. (For the sake of "the commenters!" Not "the blog owner!")

I have every confidence that this creepy little sociopath will follow me here for as long as he can tonight. While he posts about what an awesome "dater" he is. Too funny.

Can you see to it that you're decorating my shrine at least a little better, Ted Full Moon Bundy? Part of it needs fixing up around the corner.

What does your wife say when she walks in and sees your shrine to me? Do you keep candles there, also? How about pictures?; 3/24/18, 10:38 PM
FullMoon said...: He is weakening.

Sentences, not paragraphs.

Considers any mention of profession or trade as "bragging"
Because he has no skills, no profession no degree,

He has been ruining threads for a decade.

He appeals to authority as any good "Revolutionary" would

Time for another name change "Revolutionary"; 3/24/18, 10:38 PM
M Jordan said...: Haven’t read any comments (to speak of) but I would like to add to this robust discussion this: that Hogg kid is a real piece of work ... and it’s a work I’m not that into.

Thank you.; 3/24/18, 10:43 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Any comments about the kids trying to get to school without being gunned down Moonie Bundy or are you too busy writing about me instead?

Maybe you're just too young to comment on these high school kids. Being so close in age to them and all.

Maybe you think I (and Althouse) are wrong to focus on that instead of ourselves.

Do you want something I can send to help you polish your shrine to me?; 3/24/18, 10:59 PM
FullMoon said...: So, hey, Toothless,
It's been fun.

Gotta run, so you have a good night, and treat her right, ok?

See ya later, pal; 3/24/18, 11:00 PM
wholelottasplainin said...: Toothless, when you finally flip out and shoot up an NRA convention or other target for your hate and impotent self-loathing, rest assured that we will make sure your rants against the NRA and conservatives are put "on the record".

As ever, the media will report that your neighbors described you as "quiet, kept to himself, a loner, not a lot of eye contact, kinda smelled, didn't say much except to complain about when his welfare and SSI checks were to come in the mail", etc.

We will not be surprised.; 3/24/18, 11:11 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Haven’t read any comments (to speak of) but I would like to add to this robust discussion this: that Hogg kid is a real piece of work ... and it’s a work I’m not that into.

Thank you."

Ha ha.

The Althouse vortex: kids who express a POV can be attacked as dumb re policy (that's not "using children in politics"). And, the kids are fish in a barrel, because Althouse has declared that they have no functioning brains. Therefore = debate over, w/o any debate. The old "STFU = I win" argument. This is from the adult who's political POV is 100% reliant on using the childrens' childness to make their point.

Yikes.

Anywho, in addition to that, plenty of folks are pulling out the civility BS card to shutdown these kids (inc Hogg).

Who's fish in a barrel now?

Who's mind isn't thinking logically now?; 3/24/18, 11:11 PM
Sprezzatura said...: IOW, Althouse doesn't say these kids say A, but data shows B.

She just says, yur a kid so yur dumb = politics should ignore you.

And, that's not using children in politics, even though that is what it is, by definition.

Funny lady.; 3/24/18, 11:17 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Perhaps the tag should be "using children in politics-when Althouse disagrees."

Ucip-wad, for short.; 3/24/18, 11:22 PM
Birkel said...: So long as those who favor taking guns away are personally responsible for taking the guns away - without benefit of guns - I have found a gun control policy to favor.

David Hogg is welcome to personally take the guns. TTR and ARM can come too.; 3/24/18, 11:27 PM
Big Mike said...: This thread has degenerated into utter silliness. Look, numbnuts progs. I do not feel any guilt whatsoever about what happened in Coward County. I am not the FBI agent who took a phone call warning that Nikolas Cruz owned guns, had a desire to kill people, exhibited erratic behavior, and made disturbing social media posts. I am not the mental health professional who evaluated Cruz and recommended that he not be admitted to a mental health facility because he "was at low risk of harming himself or others." I am not the SRO who hid outside the building even though my first report indicated that the shots were coming from inside. Nor am I the Coward County captain in the Sheriff's Office who directed her deputies to set up a perimeter outside the building even though everything everyone knows about school shooting says to confront the shooter immediately. I'm not going to feel guilty about someone else's screw-ups. Especially when there were so many and so obvious.

I was a college student back in the 1960s. And when we protested, at least we were college students back when going to college meant something.; 3/24/18, 11:29 PM
chuck said...: Are you listening to the children?

No, I was working.; 3/24/18, 11:31 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Of course, if comments were tagged, Althouse's entry here would be:

UCIP-WAA [last A = approves]; 3/24/18, 11:37 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: It's telling that the conservatives like Jay Elink envy the tragedy suffered by these kids and wish it upon themselves (or their sleazy NRA organization) so that they can indulge their martyrdom complex and get some sympathy for themselves.

Pretty fucking sick. Instead of just feeling compelled to make sure that no kid has to go through this they start envying the attention that these horribly mistreated and articulate young citizens deservedly merit.

It is pathological and nauseating and utterly disgusting. People like Jay Elink and those who think like him do not deserve citizenship in the same nation as these incredible young folks. I feel honored to share a citizenship with them that the Jay Elinks of the world are simply not in the same class as. The Jay Elinks are not fit to tie these kids' shoes.; 3/24/18, 11:39 PM
heyboom said...: Let me ask this another way, if the NRA opposed restrictions on guns in bars would they be acting irresponsibly?

Total straw man. It has been demonstrably proven that NRA members and law-abiding gun owners always respect and abide by any establishments restrictions on guns.; 3/24/18, 11:40 PM
heyboom said...: @Howard:

Abortions still outnumber gun deaths by an exponentially LARGE margin.; 3/24/18, 11:45 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: It has been demonstrably proven that NRA members and law-abiding gun owners always respect and abide by any establishments restrictions on guns.

Then they should have no problem respecting and abiding by whatever measures or laws or policies could be enacted or enforced to make these school shooters less likely - either through their access or whatever else.

Semi-automatics should have a separate license apart from what can just be purchased with the standard "right."; 3/24/18, 11:47 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I do not feel any guilt whatsoever about what happened in Coward County.

The fact that you feel living in one of the only countries where this sort of thing is considered normal to happen and not shameful is guilt enough.; 3/24/18, 11:50 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: David Hogg is welcome to personally take the guns. TTR and ARM can come too.

Have you considered discussing this murder fantasy of yours with a mental health professional?; 3/24/18, 11:51 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Semi-automatics should have a separate license apart from what can just be purchased with the standard "right.""

Wrong.

'A lightly (if at all) regulated bunch of individual nuts being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'

Do you hate America?; 3/24/18, 11:54 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: https://twitter.com/alonpinkas/status/964133280147804160?lang=en; 3/24/18, 11:59 PM
Birkel said...: TTR,
Either you are serious about disarming Americans or you're not. Don't be a chickenhawk. Volunteer for the front lines. Be the manly man we all know you are.

I have faith that your personal rejection of guns, your quick wit, your superior argumentation, and your hatred of those you plan to disarm will win the day.

Think how much safer you will - personally - make us. I pre-plaud your heroism.; 3/25/18, 12:21 AM
Birkel said...: Odd that TTR thinks murder would happen. After all, in my vision of this future you have passed a law to make us all safer. Surely that law will make confiscation easy.

Law abiding citizens will just hand over weapons without complaint. Right?; 3/25/18, 12:24 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: TTR,
Either you are serious about disarming Americans or you're not. Don't be a chickenhawk. Volunteer for the front lines. Be the manly man we all know you are.

Think about the kids. I know you have mental problems that prevent you from disarming all the Nikolas Cruzes or limiting the type of firearm they can access but you should watch these kids' and their parents' stories anyway. They're more important and more human than you and they will have an impact on your cowardly politicians because they care about their lives and are smarter and you only care about your violent gun fantasies and warped and exaggerated political theories. This is what we pay our public servants to do, whether it impacts upon a fuckheaded selfish unAmerican lunatic like you or not. You are not someone I care about and neither are the sociopaths you think like you do. You talk the talk of DIY violent confrontation because you know that the politicians and your government will not be on your side. Only the cowardly and evil NRA. Enjoy it. And enjoy retrofitting your gun to make it into a better masturbation device. Apparently it's one of the few things that actually loves you back, so to speak.; 3/25/18, 12:43 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Cowardly, ignorant Birkel goes on about "disarming Americans" like his beloved fellow gun nut Nikolas Cruz or fellow right-winger Austin Wyatt Rollins. What a shameful excuse for a man. I guarantee he has not listened to a single victim. It's like they don't exist to him and he doesn't care about them. Luckily for them the rest of country is decent enough to listen. Birkel is not a man but a robot.; 3/25/18, 12:47 AM
Michael McNeil said...: I think this thread has been worth parsing through even after Ritmo showed up. One does have to skip his postings, and a few other people’s, of course, but there are some nuggets scattered throughout that (IMHO) repay the effort. (Thus the aphorism is disproven.); 3/25/18, 1:12 AM
Michael Fitzgerald said...: Lulz... Toothless spewing here for over 9 and a half hours... Sad!; 3/25/18, 2:01 AM
chickelit said...: The Toothless Revolutionary said...Think about the kids.

Whose kids?

My kids?

Your kids?; 3/25/18, 2:24 AM
chickelit said...: Woher die Kinder kommen: Glück ist eine warme Pistole

English has some words for that.; 3/25/18, 2:30 AM
chickelit said...: Meataphor?; 3/25/18, 2:43 AM
heyboom said...: Then they should have no problem respecting and abiding by whatever measures or laws or policies could be enacted or enforced to make these school shooters less likely - either through their access or whatever else.

But you know who will have a problem respecting and abiding? The psychos that do all of the school shootings. Isn't it already illegal to kill someone? Then what measures and laws or policies on top of that do you think they would actually abide by? It is the height of naivete to believe that any legal regulations relating to gun control will actually control guns.

You're conflating the law abiding gun owners who are NRA members (who I have never seen any documented instance of committing a gun crime) with the thugs and criminals who don't give a damn about any laws whatsoever.; 3/25/18, 3:33 AM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: heyboom said...
Total straw man

You ducked the question, surprisingly. For the record a straw man is a proposition not a question.; 3/25/18, 7:14 AM
Birkel said...: TTR: chickenhawk; 3/25/18, 7:16 AM
Birkel said...: ARM: chickenhawk; 3/25/18, 7:17 AM
PackerBronco said...: Since this is all for the children, libs, we should totally demands complete school choice for every child in America. Give parents the ability to choose a different school for their child if they feel the security at the current school is inadequate or they're worried that their child has a few classmates with a screw loose.

If it could save only one life, it's worth it.

So if you really care about kids, support school choice.

Otherwise, you're part of the problem and you want to see children die. And public unions that oppose this common-sense school choice measures care more about their profits than they do about the lives of children.

Do it for the children.; 3/25/18, 7:47 AM
Rusty said...: Well. That was a lot of ; "guns are bad, emkay."
from our resident beta males.
Maybe there's a sale at J.Jill you guys can go to.; 3/25/18, 7:49 AM
stlcdr said...: The venomous attitudes spewed by TTR is the reason why there can be no serious debate and progress made in protecting children. And scarily, the sort of person who would met out violence just to prove their point.; 3/25/18, 7:54 AM
Rusty said...: stlcdr. It's one of those cases where you had to have been there. The rest of your comment makes no sense.; 3/25/18, 7:56 AM
Birkel said...: It made sense, except the misspell of mete.; 3/25/18, 8:04 AM
Michael said...: TTR

Another moron who is focused in on "semi-automatics." Which is all guns other than single shots. I own a number of scary double barrel semi-automatic shotguns. LOL. Semi Automatic!! Some are side by sides. Some over and unders.

On a one to ten scale I wonder where TTR's hangover falls this morning.; 3/25/18, 8:32 AM
Bilwick said...: The Toothless State-fellator accuses the Republicans of being violent.

This one's too easy.; 3/25/18, 8:51 AM
Jack Klompus said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/25/18, 9:22 AM
southcentralpa said...: Well, I suppose, but more importantly: when we answer, are THEY listening?; 3/25/18, 9:57 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Ritmo tries in his usual ineffectual way, to smear us by screaming "Ted Bundy was a Republican!"

Well, bunkie, John Wayne Gacy was a Democratic Party precinct captain in Chicago. Here's a picture of him shaking hands with Rosalyn Carter:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/28/here-is-a-picture-of-john-wayne-gacy-shaking-hands-with-rosalynn-carter/

Using Ritmo logic, I guess we can conclude that when Ritmo and ARM and antishitter aren't here posting dumb comments, they're off raping and murdering little boys and burying them in their basements.

Hey, did you know that neither Bundy nor Gacy ever used a gun to murder someone? Doesn't that win them some gold stars from liberals? It's so much better to die of asphyxiation or strangulation or by being bludgeoned!!; 3/25/18, 10:00 AM
Bilwick said...: Re the "chickenhawk" theme, I've applied that to other parts of the "liberal" agenda beyond disarming the citizenry. For example: redistribution of income. Instead of relying on Big Brother's thugs to do it for you, have the testicularity to hold people up at gun-point yourselves. I'm sure rich folk such as Darth Soros and the Hollywood Left don't have armed guards protecting themselves and their mansions. Go ahead, "liberals"--make our day!; 3/25/18, 10:07 AM
MaxedOutMama said...: No, I'm not. Children have little experience and less independence. Try listening to your toddler - chaos results.; 3/25/18, 11:39 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Using Ritmo logic, I guess we can conclude that when Ritmo and ARM and antishitter aren't here posting dumb comments, they're off raping and murdering little boys and burying them in their basements.

No, and we're certainly not trying to proliferate more bang-bang toys into the hands of what you think of as ready would-be militiamen like Nikolas Cruz and many others like him so as to gun them all down and murder and maim them so much more quickly and efficiently, either. That's what you and your ilk are here for, remember? Indulging your old lady cowardice takes precedence over keeping those kids safe, according to you.

I guess that's why you couldn't actually raise that kid. Try being responsible and not enabling those mass murder policies for the sake of your "feelings."; 3/25/18, 11:52 AM
Birkel said...: TTR:
I have noted your moral preening. Well done. Points earned, or some such.

But unless you are willing to disarm American citizens none of your statements amount to anything useful. Are you willing to kick down the doors of your fellow citizens, chickenhawk?; 3/25/18, 11:58 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: The venomous attitudes spewed by TTR is the reason why there can be no serious debate and progress made in protecting children. And scarily, the sort of person who would met out violence just to prove their point.

It's not venomous to prioritize the safety of kids while going to class over your need to indulge paranoid, lunatic, pervasive conspiracy theories by making semi-automatics available to anyone who wants one. Only someone given to prioritizing paranoid conspiratorial thinking over saving actual lives would think something so stupid and immoral.

If you're really willing to see that many more people die just for the sake of how this discussion wounded your very fragile feelings then that already tells the country why so many like you are ok with seeing so many innocents die. Take responsibility for getting them killed and credit the boost to your feelings that that must have done for you.; 3/25/18, 12:00 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: TTR:
I have noted your moral preening. Well done. Points earned, or some such.

I don't take any special pride in being on the right moral side of the "whether more kids die or more lunatics feel respected" pseudo-controversy. That's just the normal stance to take. If your stance disgusts/debases you and everyone else well, that's because it's disgusting. It just goes to show how unworthy of consideration you are if you're even willing to blame your admitted moral inferiority on anyone speaking up for what these kids shouldn't have to go through. It's not that we're better than anyone else; it's that you're worse than almost everyone else.

Go watch those kids. So many videos of them by now. Great kids; very inspiring. I bet you couldn't stand to watch a single one. They disgust you, don't they? You have so much contempt for them, I'd bet. And for their lives... and futures. No wonder you have to shift the discussion to one of character; you're not showing any. I'm getting the sense you might not even have any.; 3/25/18, 12:04 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: It is the height of naivete to believe that any legal regulations relating to gun control will actually control guns.

Nope, it just means that I have enough respect for factual reality to accept the country-by-country data on that and not feel compelled to take a bunch of destructive firepower to it. Hell, Congress even outlawed CDC funds to researching gun violence. That tells America all we have to know about where the gun nuts are at and the blood money their reps get from the NRA. They are against the evidence - any evidence. It's not enough for them to hide under their sofas hunkered down with a rifle at the ready 24/7. They have to cover their ears and eyes as well. Even the likelihood of a murder or suicide in a household with a firearm is much greater than one without; but it's nice that you folks seem to want to shut out that piece of data, as well. I guess it's like the mass die-off of the American white males - you're so opposed to any evidence/data about it that you'll willingly do whatever it takes to keep it up. Taking your own lives and others just to feel safe. Remember what Franklin said about purchasing safety for the cost of liberty.; 3/25/18, 12:13 PM
Birkel said...: TTR:

Either you intend to reduce the number of guns owned by Americans or all your words amount to nothing. Stand on conviction. Say the words you want to say. Pledge to be first through your neighbors door to take their guns from them.

I support you.; 3/25/18, 12:15 PM
chickelit said...: The kind of cops who sat on their hands at Parkland aren’t going to disarm law-abiding AR 15 owners and the kind of men who wouldn’t have just stood by aren’t going to disarm their fellow citizens either. Whom does that leave? I guess a foreign body.; 3/25/18, 12:25 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Either you intend to reduce the number of guns owned by Americans or all your words amount to nothing.

Either you want to stop hiding behind the fact that Nikolas Cruz and the San Bernardino terrorists were "Americans" or all your words amount to nothing.

Stand on conviction.

I am. If you don't understand what that looks like though then that's not my problem.

Say the words you want to say.

I did. Again, if you don't want to understand them then that's your own shortcoming.

Pledge to be first through your neighbors door to take their guns from them.

Don't have to do that. As a taxpayer I pay my law enforcement - from the local beat all the way up to the pathetic Jeff Session's salary - to do what the law compels them to do. That's how it works and if you prefer a DIY strategy then go write to your law enforcement professionals and tell them how you intend to take their jobs away from them. In detail. Sounds like you're a very "hands-on" guy, if you get what I'm saying. Or at least you fantasize yourself that way.

I support you.

Ditto.; 3/25/18, 12:31 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Birkel seems to want to disarm (or outgun) law enforcement.

He should tell them that's what he wants to do.

Go right up to them, knock on their doors and tell them that.

Say what he means. Use the words he wants to say.

Go do it, Birkel. How are you going to disarm/outgun and replace them? Clearly you see them as a threat to your DIY enforcement agenda.; 3/25/18, 12:34 PM
Bilwick said...: On second thought I rescind my challenge to the chickenhawk gun-grabbers and income-redistributers. Even the most casual survey of the blogosphere's commentariat indicates that while older "liberals" (think Adlai Stevenson) were intelligent, sane people, they are increasingly dumbing down to the Stupid Left (Inga, say), while the Stupid Left slides down into the Crazy Left (the Toothless State-fellator, for example). I wouldn't put it past one of the latter band of loons to actually take up that challenge. And the result will be more attempts by the Hive to blame the tool and not the moron wielding it.; 3/25/18, 12:46 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Not sure what that Chadwick weirdo wrote just now in his 12:46 but it seems to involve a lot of magical thinking, analogies and code words. Hopefully he can just put his government fellatio obsession to rest by running into his local police department - probably the toughest precinct that exists out in whatever bumblefuck locale he's at - and yell at them about how he's done sucking all their dicks. He would tell them that he needs them to disband and disarm, and he needs to have the most powerful weapons there HIM ALONE. It's interesting to wonder how that might play out. He's no state fellator, he took their dicks out of his mouth long ago!; 3/25/18, 12:51 PM
ceowens said...: Reposted

@ Toothless, anti, Howard et al -

Do you folks, personally, have a right to defend yourself?

If so, how do you think that is best accomplished?; 3/25/18, 1:08 PM
Birkel said...: TTR:
You send other young men to do what you refuse to do for yourself.
I was informed by the Left that this defines you as a chickenhawk.

You either want to disarm your neighbors or you don't.
Say that you want to take guns away from law abiding citizens.
Say it without waffling.; 3/25/18, 1:13 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: You send other young men to do what you refuse to do for yourself.

They get paid by my tax dollars and their job is voluntary. Did you forget how economics works, you fascist moron?

I was informed by the Left that this defines you as a chickenhawk.

No, you made that up, also. Poor little incompetent. Never figured out the difference between military and civilian life.

People like that usually don't end up very well. They have a habit of snapping.

No wonder he identifies with Nikolas Cruz and Syed Rizwan Farook as fellow "law abiding citizens."; 3/25/18, 1:20 PM
FullMoon said...: "Revolutionary" rule breaker lies

"They get paid by my tax dollars and their job is voluntary."

Haha, you don't have a job and do not pay taxes.

Carry On; 3/25/18, 1:51 PM
Jim at said...: As I said in another thread, Ritmo is simply James Hodgkinson without the conviction.

He rages. He rants. He spews.
But at the end of the day? He expects somebody else to act on his demands.

Typical leftist.; 3/25/18, 1:56 PM
Birkel said...: TTR:
Announce your plans clearly. Quit fussing around the edges. Come and take the guns.

Disarm the American people. Give us your plan for how that works.; 3/25/18, 1:57 PM
chickelit said...: If we could get just the law abiding people to turn in their icky guns just by passing a law, it would be a moral victory for the children. I think that’s where we’re at.; 3/25/18, 2:01 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Birkel said...
Give us your plan for how that works.

First we convince the children that guns are evil and then we wait for the old people to die. It's not complicated.; 3/25/18, 2:06 PM
FullMoon said...: Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Birkel said...
Give us your plan for how that works.

First we convince the children that guns are evil and then we wait for the old people to die. It's not complicated.

3/25/18, 2:06 PM,

And confiscate the old guys guns when he croaks.; 3/25/18, 2:19 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: But at the end of the day? He expects somebody else to act on his demands.

If I pay them? I sure do.

But I realize that as a right-wing idiot you're used to paying people who can't get the job done. Starting with the people you elect.; 3/25/18, 2:20 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Announce your plans clearly. Quit fussing around the edges.

Looks like I did. Having trouble reading again?

You sound as frustrated as an old fart who can't figure out how to open a jar of pickles.

Just read and if you don't like the answer then go fuck yourself. I don't owe you an understanding that you're not capable of achieving.; 3/25/18, 2:22 PM
Birkel said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/25/18, 3:10 PM
Birkel said...: TTR:
Seems like you're willing to let a lot of people die in the interim. How morally bankrupt your inaction is! What principles!

Chickenhawk.

After those young people have families they need to protect, I am sure they will think guns are tools. And then you can wait for a few more generations.

P.S. The people who live in rural areas will not accede to your plans. Gangbangers will not give up firearms. Long haul truckers will not give in. You need a realistic plan that doesn't hinge on waiting for a train, won't come.; 3/25/18, 3:11 PM
Birkel said...: TTR,
You announced an generational aspiration that leaves the status quo in place for fifty years... and won't pan out, even then.

You're a petulant child.; 3/25/18, 3:14 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Boring.

(Yawn); 3/25/18, 3:30 PM
Birkel said...: TTR,
So, no plan is forthcoming? Why not just announce your preferred outcome: disarming Americans.

And then act on your strongly held convictions. Or wait 50 years. Chicken. Chickenhawk.; 3/25/18, 3:35 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Boring.

Dear Kids of Parkland: Birkel's boring narcissism is something he feels takes precedence over your own lives.

That's about it. Glad to make the summary that Birkel couldn't spit out.; 3/25/18, 4:00 PM
Birkel said...: TTR:
Your inability to articulate an action plan for reaching your goal leaves me one conclusion: you are unserious about your stated goal.

My premise:
Every act of the Leftist Collectivists is an attempt to wrestle power from individual citizens. Your goal is to disarm Americans to hasten your true goal.; 3/25/18, 4:07 PM
Birkel said...: Interestingly, there is video from the D.C. rally in which the middle aged protesters call for banning hand guns and even some knives.

At least they are honest.; 3/25/18, 4:10 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: NO one cares about your "conclusion". You are an illogical person.

Go run around in high schools with your knives or whatever else. Keep waving them around to scare everyone else. See what happens.

You call people collectivists because you are incapable of distinguishing one person's position from another's.

Either way you will lose. Because you refuse to comprehend that the Heller decision said that 2A doesn't get to be some unique, unlimited right. It has limits.

Everything else is just part of your "I want to kill people because I imagine they are taking my own guns (and not Nikolas Cruz, etc.) away" fantasy. It's pretty ugly. Fantasize about something else, instead. Whether you're affected or not no one cares about, I'm sure. Are you on the no fly list? Have a domestic violence conviction? Posting violent comments? Have multiple police calls and institutionalization about your behavior?

Go ahead and list your weapons. What are they? You seem to care more about them than anyone here does. I thought your right was an "individual" one, anyway. As an individual (unless you are a collectivist part of a collective) how are you exercising it? If you don't specify, then no one can know how the measures will likely affect poor little old gun-loving BIrkel.; 3/25/18, 4:31 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Every act of the Leftist Collectivists is an attempt to wrestle power from individual citizens.

What are your individual weapons? Were they purchased (and/or registered) in someone else's name? Were they acquired collectively or individually? Is your right an individual one or a collective one?

You could go ahead and answer that or admit that you think the Heller decision was rendered in error and that we need to return to the pre-2006 status that determined the 2nd amendment was a collective right.

Your decision, sloppy shooter.; 3/25/18, 4:34 PM
Birkel said...: I want criminals to have to guess which occupants of houses will be capable of protecting themselves, thereby reducing the number of home invasions, rapes and murders perpetrated by the lawless. Why don't you care about people sitting home at night half an hour from the nearest police? Why don't you care about all the women who avoid armed attackers due to the true threat of self-defense?

I want you to try to disarm your fellow citizens. Why do you imagine violence? Surely the law abiding citizens will readily give in to a law. Test your theory. I support you.; 3/25/18, 4:48 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Why don't you care about people sitting home at night half an hour from the nearest police?

I never said that a home far away from the nearest police shouldn't have different gun laws than those in a city. Even Bernie Sanders who represents Vermont says as much. That's why these laws are enacted on a municipal or state basis. You are representing me because you need to lie about my position in order to make a case. This is a straw man.

Why don't you care about all the women who avoid armed attackers due to the true threat of self-defense?

Can't remember when I ever said that, either. Once again, a straw man. I never said an individual should be denied a gun right on behalf of their sex. Show me where I did or admit to another straw man.

I want you to try to disarm your fellow citizens.

Lol. Well, there we go - the true nature of what you're up to. Did I ever once advocate mass "disarmament?" Nope. Not once. But as a citizen I have a right to vote for the politicians and policies I think make sense to me. You are advocating for something that I never did and don't. If you want mass disarmament then admit that - or well, it seems you just did. But I did not. That's not my position. Lie about it however you want, though - the 1st amendment affords you the right to lie. But it also allows me to call out your lie and every person reading this can judge for themselves just how dishonest and agenda-oriented your false accusation is.; 3/25/18, 5:05 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: "misrepresenting* me," rather.; 3/25/18, 5:06 PM
Birkel said...: If you advocate banning guns, as the anti-gun rally did, you advocate reducing self defense. You don't have to state the natural results of your preferred policies for me to recognize those natural results.

Noting cause and effect is not a straw man argument.

You make poor sport.

Your position is disarming your fellow citizens. That makes those citizens more likely to be victims unable to defend themselves. Women will be especially vulnerable. Old people will be more vulnerable. Those results will naturally obtain.

The anti-gun protest was in D.C. Your backpedal from an imposition of a federal law is laughable.; 3/25/18, 5:20 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Banning all guns or some? And why do you keep upholding Nikolas Cruz and every other "fellow citizen" as the sort of gun right spokesmodel that you need to defend? The Heller decision upholds the banning of Saturday Night Specials - just as an example. Do you disagree with that or not? It's the law of the land as decided by Scalia. You're not going to get a more permissive ruling. Ever. Ever again. Do you disagree and do you want SAMs and flamethrowers to be available or are you ok with restricting the scope of available carried weaponry as already enshrined in the judicial ruling that is the very law of the land?

Cite anyone who successfully used an AR-15 for home defense.

How many Americans were killed using the same AR-15s that are designed to make single shots much more deadly to human beings.

AR-15s and their ammunition are for hunting people. That's their design purpose. Everything else you blabber on about is just a way to deny that fact and deny the rights of the people who don't want to be menaced by them.

You laugh at people who get killed while talking about how much killing power you want for people who live by imaginary fears as you do. So you're not decent and not capable of a good faith discussion. But your position will lose.; 3/25/18, 5:28 PM
Birkel said...: TTR: If you weren't falsely putting words into my typing you might hide your lying more easily. I am here to help but I know you won't be able to help yourself.

How many crimes are stopped by guns? Between 800,000 and 2,500,000. (Link: https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_crimes_are_stopped_by_gun_owners)

How many by ARs? More than zero. After ARs are banned you will stop? So just give the Dane a bit of geld, you say?

You're an overly emotional liar so I would never believe you might deny yourself your totalitarian dreams.

Hard pass.; 3/25/18, 5:39 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Another reason Birkel's "position" will lose (if he even has one) is that he doesn't know what it is. He says he is against "banning guns" and says this as a way to deny that certain guns already can be banned constitutionally. That's the law of the land. But since he refuses to distinguish between banning a certain kind or kinds or gun and apparently all guns he gets to muddle the majority of people who agree with the former in with the latter - who are a tiny minority if they even exist. So he can't define his position and relies on obscuring the majority's position in order to increase his verbal firepower here. But everyone can see how poorly aimed it is. He may feel he can bulldoze over and disrespect commenters here but his position is with inaction and getting more kids killed and that's why it will lose. He doesn't care about the kids but he cares about losing. So he deserves to lose. Anyone who's ok with getting more people killed should lose in as many things as possible. He even brought up the lives/self-defense of women and rural inhabitants to talk about differentiating the scope of the law - so we know he was disingenuous because he obviously doesn't care about their lives any more than he does about the kids in Florida. He's just a paranoid gun lover who likes seeing people get killed. It's now obvious.

Why is it that the gun nuts never care about people's lives and are such poor shots with their arguments? Ever notice that? Weird. It's almost like they love guns because they're such unclear and inaccurate thinkers. DOesn't give one much confidence about their own aim.; 3/25/18, 5:40 PM
Rusty said...: Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
"Birkel said...
Give us your plan for how that works.

First we convince the children that guns are evil and then we wait for the old people to die. It's not complicated.

3/25/18, 2:06 PM"

Children grow up and then they find out how vacuous and stupid your arguments are.
I cn't remember how many nieces and nephews not to mention scouts and etc that I have taught how to shoot.; 3/25/18, 5:41 PM
Birkel said...: TTR,
Your word salad is wanting.

You don't want to ban guns but some guns are banned and old people will die and I am a nut because I want criminals to hesitate in their criminal activity because they fear efforts at self defense.

Let me help:
I want you to be protected because neighbors might be armed and criminals avoid home break-ins. I want your mother (or favorite aunt) to be safe from criminals because criminals fear self defense.

But by all means, I want you to be first through the door as you try to confiscate the guns.; 3/25/18, 5:57 PM
chickelit said...: The most dishonest aspect of this whole march is tha it came on the heels of the Parkland massacre and yet the protestors continue to ignore the warning signs given by the deranged killer and the cowardice of certain officers. Just because Trump pilled on to those issues make agreement with them verboten.

The residents of the Parkland community should be insisting on a complete shakeup of that little Barney Fiefdom. The killer could have used any other convenient weapon to kill and probably would have.

Plus it’s sickening to see children used by the adults so obviously present at the march.; 3/25/18, 6:10 PM
chickelit said...: Anothe4 general point: We’ve reached the stage where half the population will oppose anything that Trump does - good or bad - just to spite Trump. That is a dangerous position and just as silly as someone opposing everything the previous President did just because he’s Obama.; 3/25/18, 6:13 PM
rcommal said...: @rcommal: I was cheered to hear of your son's enrollment in CAP. My son did this as well.

I posted and talked about that quite a while ago, but anyhoo: We all miss things.

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Our son achieved the Billy Mitchell award in less than a year and a half, despite his joining later than many, if not most. He'd earned it by last October/November.

We've got the framed certificate of merit (presented to him in framed form a couple of months ago) right up on our wall by our front door.

Few manage to get that. You can look it up.; 3/25/18, 6:24 PM
rcommal said...: @chickelit****

More important, not to mention more to the point, our son attended a CAP cyber-defense/cyber-security/cyber-counter-terrorism camp in Maryland in early summer 2017.

He did so well at that, that: He was asked to help staff up, in terms of teen staff, a similar camp in Albuquerque, New Mexico. With little time to scramble, we made that happen in mid-summer 2017.; 3/25/18, 6:50 PM
ceowens said...: Third time. I acknowledge I am not a regular commenter but the questions are not that hard and only require a one or two word answer.

@ Toothless, anti, Howard et all -

Do you folks, personally, have a right to defend yourself?

If so, how do you think that is best accomplished?; 3/25/18, 6:52 PM
rcommal said...: @chickelit

After that, he and his dad started a competition team having to do with cyber-defense and cyber-security ....

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more T.K. if only you'd bother to pay attention, which I do not believe that you will do.

Your kids are out of the house at this point, right? And you are living in housing connected to your wife's university-professorship.

It's about the right time for me to call you out, as you have so shamelessly called out me.; 3/25/18, 7:05 PM
rcommal said...: I have *ZERO* pity for people who didn't bother when they ought to so have done.

I suggest that they just nest with their own, moldering tribes.; 3/25/18, 7:10 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: My mother's 75 years old and probably cares a heck of a lot more about my safety at this point than hers but I'm sure it takes just the kind of warped mind that Birkel entertains to think that he's a decent person by hoping to put me into a confrontation with a gun nut just so I can be a vigilante and do the job that the cops get paid BY ME to do. Nope, I don't recommend vigilantism. Government rules are enforced by the government and I am not their agent - much as Birkel would like to see me as one.

The line about old people dying didn't come from me. Someone is getting even more confused (and probably senile) than he knows.; 3/25/18, 7:40 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Do you folks, personally, have a right to defend yourself?

Obviously.

If so, how do you think that is best accomplished?

It depends on the situation and the person involved.; 3/25/18, 7:42 PM
ceowens said...: Do you folks, personally, have a right to defend yourself?

Obviously.

If so, how do you think that is best accomplished?

It depends on the situation and the person involved.

OK but since I do not know you there will be some assumed facts not in evidence.

Because you are "The Toothless Revolutionary" let us repair to somewhere near Lexington.

It has been an awful winter but today it is 65 degrees and the office in your nice colonial on Governrs Ave. in Medford Massachusetts is just too confining. A walk towards South Reservoir sounds great. South Border Road has light traffic and there is a chance you will hear one of the first returning red-wing black birds. The woods are tranquil and a soft breeze from the South portends a delightful evening. Winchester has been getting a little sketchy but hasn't everyone experienced a little of that.

Having gone a half mile down the road, suddenly, from the northwest, a couple, as in two, Rottweilers appear. Each weighs about 85 pounds and is trailing about ten feet of chain and are travelling approximately 15 miles an hour. You showered and put on clean clothes this morning but your cat was curled up on your lap while you were perusing Althouse and, man, these brothers hate cats.; 3/25/18, 9:55 PM
ceowens said...: Oh yeah, I did not say anything about "person."; 3/25/18, 9:58 PM
Birkel said...: TTR,
Do try to be responsive. I know you're angry and drunk by now. But try.

BTW, the cops do not get paid to confiscate guns. Nor would they attempt the confiscation you desire, but cannot bring yourself to admit.

I know you are constitutionally incapable of admitting that deterence works. I know that because to admit deterence is to lose the argument for confiscation. But I am glad you benefit from the uncertainty your neighbors - some of whom choose to arm themselves - create in the minds of criminals.

The lies you must tell yourself to maintain your belief system must be painful after a while. You sadden me in a way you cannot appreciate.; 3/25/18, 10:23 PM
Birkel said...: TTR: "It depends on the situation and the person involved."

In the world you prefer, it depends what means you allow the person, regardless of the situation or the person involved. That is the nature of using the law. That is why the raw use of power that you prefer is anathema to freedom and individual rights.; 3/25/18, 10:26 PM
Jack Klompus said...: "the kind of warped mind that Birkel entertains to think that he's a decent person by hoping to put me into a confrontation with a gun nut.

Oh how great would that be, especially knowing that you would lose.; 3/26/18, 9:10 AM