Question for men.— Cathy Young (@CathyYoung63) February 1, 2018
Jordan Peterson said, in his interview w/Camille Paglia, that in any intellectual confrontation between men there's always an implicit option of settling things with fists; since it's not an option when arguing with a woman, men are at a disadvantage. Thoughts?
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Here's the Jordan Peterson interview with Camille Paglia, in case you want to hear him explain his point before jumping to say it's "Totally nuts."
I said "a bit true/exaggerated" but considered "Absolutely true." I needed a choice between those 2 options. And I had already watched the interview, so I understood exactly what he meant.
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«Pinakaluma ‹Mas luma 201 – 221 ng 221You can always call your wife to do it for you. I have seen women jumping with fist up to defend their husbands
“intellectual argument" can end with fists or pokers or suits
"Tell me, ladies; when you watch violent movies, as I assume you must from time to time, does it push your buttons? Do you identify with the person performing acts of violence?"
Depends on the movie and the characters. I was repelled by the torture scene in "Reservoir Dogs." But when I'm watching Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson beat up bad guys, I've thought it must be a satisfying feeling to literally kick the ass of someone who badly needs an ass kicking. I recently saw a YouTube video showing a storeowner beating the crap out of a dumb young thug who tried to rob the place and it made me happy to see him get what was coming to him.
Bob Matthews said..."Crazy Harpy Sisters" would be a great name for a band.
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Especially if an all female harp power trio.
Re: The validity of Dr. Peterson's claims.
In the social sciences, you can never prove a theory or set of hypotheses to be true, but you can prove them to be false.
Psychologists develop opinions on the weight of the evidence that points in a unitary direction. We are not saying it is the absolute truth. We are saying that it is our best and most reasonable estimate, based on our appraisal of the evidence at hand.
I've disabled a woman by wrist holding when she was trying to tickle.
beating the crap out of a dumb young thug who tried to rob the place
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Francisco -
People greatly underestimate the amount of statistical work that goes into studies like these.
ANOVA can be fascinating to use as a tool in multi-variate analysis. At least it was to me. And math used to bore me.
Everyone should study statistics if you want to know who's trying to lie to you.
What kind of man wants to engage in physical violence after failing to persuade another man with words? The same kind of man who wants to rape a woman after failing to seduce her.
"Everyone should study statistics if you want to know who's trying to lie to you."
Yes. I would add research design. Some landmark studies have been debunked by design flaws.
One of my grad school mentors was brilliant at that. He was politically neutral and got the politically correct pissed off at him.
“Tell me, ladies; when you watch violent movies, as I assume you must from time to time, does it push your buttons? Do you identify with the person performing acts of violence?"
No.
Yes. One has to remember to ask the right questions or the stats are junk. The tough part isn't really the stats, it's being sure that you are measuring what you think you are.
That helped me in business to an immense degree. Or is it 'biggly' these days?
Earnest Prole said...
"What kind of man wants to engage in physical violence after failing to persuade another man with words? The same kind of man who wants to rape a woman after failing to seduce her."
You know, that made perfect sense until I thought about it. I should have quit while I was ahead.
"But when I'm watching Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson beat up bad guys, I've thought it must be a satisfying feeling to literally kick the ass of someone who badly needs an ass kicking."
Except. What movies do, is make you hate someone, so you'll like seeing them get beat up. It's like making you itch so you'll enjoy scratching.
The only time someone tried to murder me, it was a 17 year old out of control girl. On another occasion, the only time I ever had a knife pulled on me was from a drunken woman who had slashed her forearms. Peterson's point is that men are at a disadvantage when Women cross the boundaries of sane interatction and why is it that men must also disavow all the beastly behavior of some men when it's not the topic? If you held people to that standard none of us would have time to go to work.
You know, that made perfect sense until I thought about it.
Perhaps it would make more sense if I kicked your ass.
Earnest Prole said...
"Perhaps it would make more sense if I kicked your ass."
Well, see, that's the problem. Would you say that the fact you got mad at me for failing to be persuaded by your attempted analogy means that you are a probable rapist?
Well, see, that's the problem.
I would say the problem is that many people are immune to satire.
Not satire, irony. And irony wouldn't be ironic if no one were immune to it.
One of the reasons men shake hands is to assess strength. A good firm handshake tells you both that you each could cause damage, but that you won't because the handshake says you can be trusted.
"One of the reasons men shake hands is to assess strength. A good firm handshake tells you both that you each could cause damage, but that you won't because the handshake says you can be trusted."
You may be right, but I thought the handshake was initially a way of showing you had no weapons.
I shake hands quite a bit and have fairly strong hands. They are not big hands, but let's not go there. More importantly, I almost never feel overpowered by another man's handshake. That's a alpha male contest.
Some guys try to show you how strong they are and thus convey weakness and insecurity. Those who give you the moist, limp fish make my skin crawl. It's delicate with women. You want to be firm, but understanding and accommodating.
Hmmm ...
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