Althouse: The President and the First Lady arrive at the Christmas Eve service at Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church.

December 25, 2017

The President and the First Lady arrive at the Christmas Eve service at Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church.

"Inside the church, festive with candles and Christmas trees, a choir, accompanied by brass instruments, organ and kettledrums, sang O Come All Ye Faithful, Hark the Herald Angels Sing, the First Noel and other carols. The president sat in the third row by the aisle. A crowd of people encircled the president to shake his hand when it came time for the peace-be-with-yous."

174 comments:

David Begley said...: What is wrong with that evil Trump? Why did he go to church? He should have been watching the latest from Hollywood. I hear great things about “The Disaster Artist” starring James Franco. It is a movie about a bad movie. Genius!; 12/25/17, 7:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Mr Trump: This will not save you in 2020. You will be defeated in all states by Gillibrand or Warren or Harris. Your only chance to escape is to not run via health issues or accept Special Prosecutor decision to resign or get impeached.

Merry Christmas.; 12/25/17, 7:15 AM
Chuck said...: Best part of the story; in his homily, Rev. James Harlan quoted Nelson Mandela. From the Sun-Sentinel:

“Nelson Mandela, the great champion of racial equality in South Africa, was imprisoned for almost three decades for standing up to a government that was repressing, racist and all of that,” he said. “Nelson Mandela knew the power of words. He said it is never my custom to use words lightly. If 27 years in prison had done anything to us, it was to use the silence of solitude to make us understand how precious words are and how real speech is in its impact on the way people live and die.”

Maybe the most beautiful thing I heard this Christmas. And aimed at exactly the right audience.; 12/25/17, 7:21 AM
Glen Filthie said...: Merry Christmas, A-house, and a happy new year!; 12/25/17, 7:24 AM
Chuck said...: "Merry Christmas"!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-merry-christmas-twitter_us_5a407757e4b0b0e5a7a2d23c; 12/25/17, 7:26 AM
Owen said...: God bless us, every one.; 12/25/17, 7:26 AM
Tank said...: Merry Christmas Althouse and Meade.; 12/25/17, 7:36 AM
Rob said...: Contra the Rev. James Harlan, Nelson Mandela wasn't imprisoned for simply "standing up to" the government. He was imprisoned for planning and engaging in sabotage--bombings and the like. And he wasn't framed. He admitted it in his statement from the dock during his trial at Rivonia. Among other things, he said, "I must deal immediately and at some length with the question of violence. Some of the things so far told to the Court are true and some are untrue. I do not, however, deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness, nor because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that had arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation, and oppression of my people by the Whites."

Mandela made principled distinctions about the kind of violence he and his followers would engage in. It's a pity his hagiographers don't do him the honor of presenting his deeds as candidly as he himself did.; 12/25/17, 7:37 AM
PackerBronco said...: MCGA!; 12/25/17, 7:40 AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: Ed Wood was a good movie about making a terrible movie Plan Nine from Outer Space

I was involved in an extended software project once that was a bit too close to that movie.; 12/25/17, 7:41 AM
PackerBronco said...: Blogger America's Politico said...bah humbug!; 12/25/17, 7:41 AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: And I woke up on Christmas morning, and Hillary was not president! That’s the gift that keeps on giving.; 12/25/17, 7:43 AM
Tank said...: President Trump and our First Lady are the best Christmas present for me this year. When I consider the alternative ...... (couple extra ..... for Althouse on Christmas).; 12/25/17, 7:44 AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: I would like to thank AP for stopping by to spread Christmas cheer! Given his record on predictions, that’s almost a guarantee of a second Trump term.; 12/25/17, 7:45 AM
Humperdink said...: It's Christmas Day and our resident crank does not pass up an opportunity to deposit a turd in the punch bowl. One much assume he did not get what he wanted for Christmas.; 12/25/17, 7:45 AM
wild chicken said...: Yes, God bless our Idiot Savant president.; 12/25/17, 7:48 AM
tcrosse said...: Somebody has decided to Troll the Ancient Yuletide Carol.; 12/25/17, 7:51 AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: Can you imagine waking up in such a rotten mood on Christmas morning? Maybe he should change his handle from Chuck to Upchuck.; 12/25/17, 7:51 AM
Humperdink said...: Seeing Trump go to church on Christmas Eve, I have to wonder how much of an influence VP Mike Pence has had on DJT. Could be just a photo-op, but I have my doubts.; 12/25/17, 7:57 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "“Nelson Mandela, the great champion of racial equality in South Africa, was imprisoned for almost three decades for standing up to a government that was repressing, racist and all of that,” he said. “Nelson Mandela knew the power of words. He said it is never my custom to use words lightly. If 27 years in prison had done anything to us, it was to use the silence of solitude to make us understand how precious words are and how real speech is in its impact on the way people live and die.”" Maybe the most beautiful thing I heard this Christmas. And aimed at exactly the right audience."

In other words: Nelson Mandela didn't tweet from prison.

But if Nelson Mandela had been given the option to tweet from prison, would he not have tweeted?; 12/25/17, 7:58 AM
traditionalguy said...: Eternal Father strong to save. Whose arm has bound the mighty Tweets, their appointed boundary to keep, temporarily.; 12/25/17, 8:01 AM
Robert Cook said...: "What is wrong with that evil Trump? Why did he go to church?"

An opportunistic photo op, of course!; 12/25/17, 8:21 AM
AJ Ford said...: This violate my father’s belief in no clapping in church except for the choir at the very end of a service after the minister or priest has left. And certainly no whooping or standing and waving.; 12/25/17, 8:24 AM
AJ Ford said...: This violate my father’s belief in no clapping in church except for the choir at the very end of a service after the minister or priest has left. And certainly no whooping or standing and waving.; 12/25/17, 8:24 AM
AJ Ford said...: This violate my father’s belief in no clapping in church except for the choir at the very end of a service after the minister or priest has left. And certainly no whooping or standing and waving.; 12/25/17, 8:25 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: But if Nelson Mandela had been given the option to tweet from prison, would he not have tweeted?

Of course he would. The assumption, that Trump is "careless" with his tweets, is unproven. Just because someone does not approve of the tone or content of a message doesn't make it careless. Trump tweets to bypass the gatekeepers.

Been running about lately and listened to some NPR, briefly. The Russian Collusion Story is still strong with that crowd. That is why AP is confidently making nonsense predictions. He is being fed a diet of complete bullshit.; 12/25/17, 8:25 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: An opportunistic photo op, of course!

Christians don't, or at least shouldn't, care why someone goes to church.

"Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."

Get em in church so they can hear the Good News, let God sort it out.; 12/25/17, 8:28 AM
tcrosse said...: Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Harry and Megan show up with the rest of the gang for Christmas services at Sandringham.; 12/25/17, 8:44 AM
Michael K said...: "An opportunistic photo op, of course!"

I assume, of course, that Cookie attended the servoces of his church quietly and with reverence.

Merry Christmas. I hope my son will be there when the kids open their presents this morning. We will be leaving for his house in an hour.; 12/25/17, 8:48 AM
Chuck said...: Ron Winkleheimer said...
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Been running about lately and listened to some NPR, briefly. The Russian Collusion Story is still strong with that crowd. That is why AP is confidently making nonsense predictions. He is being fed a diet of complete bullshit.

I heard uncharacteristic giggling on NPR's Morning Edition this morning. They were talking about Trump's Tweet (and then again in an address to U.S. military personnel) last night claiming that his administration was somehow bringing back the phrase "Merry Christmas" from an "assault."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/945126026824298497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftrump-merry-christmas-twitter_us_5a407757e4b0b0e5a7a2d23c

And of course they immediately played audio of President Obama, just last year, opening his Christmastime address to U.S. troops with a cheery "Merry Christmas"!

There was never a "war on Christmas." And of course, for real Christians, Christmas is a lesser holiday than the Holy Week of Easter, which gets practically none of this hyperbole. The "war on Christmas" is a Fox News/Bill O'Reilly thing, which naturally makes it catnip for Trump and his supporters. "Merry Christmas" is not a greeting or a warm wish so much as it is a cultural bludgeon.

So Merry Christmas, Althousians. And to Trump's Jewish daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren I say "Happy Hanukkah"! To everybody, regardless of faith or sect; Happy Holidays!; 12/25/17, 8:59 AM
narciso said...: Of course there is a war in Christmas, and its not merely about the commercial kitschy elements , the courts have been the battlefield to wipe any semblance of express Christian or event religious Jewish sentiment consider the skirmishes Roy Moore has participated in.; 12/25/17, 9:04 AM
Humperdink said...: Chuck said: "There was never a "war on Christmas."

..... as the nativity scenes continue to be removed from the public square.; 12/25/17, 9:05 AM
narciso said...: And that in large part is why they hate volodya, not for the fee poisoning of dissidents here and there, which wouldn't have made a borgia blink. Certainly not for his support of Iran and through them hezbollah: the dog that doesn't blink. But expressions of Christian sentiment.; 12/25/17, 9:08 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Wow. The scowl on that face. It never goes away, does it?

What's it like having to do scut-troll work for a president who looks like he's constipated 24/7? That must be a real, er, bummer.; 12/25/17, 9:09 AM
Humperdink said...: "Get em in church so they can hear the Good News, let God sort it out."

You are exactly right. Our church experiences 20-30% increase in attendance on Christmas and Easter. Most will never return, but they all hear the message (unless they are texting, ha).

And His word does not return void.; 12/25/17, 9:12 AM
Humperdink said...: Merry Christmas TTR, hope you have a great day!!!; 12/25/17, 9:13 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Wow. The scowl on that face. It never goes away, does it?

I see pictures of him smiling all the time. Perhaps the photographers and news outlets let partisanship influence what image of the POTUS the present to the public? Naw, couldn't be.; 12/25/17, 9:13 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: "Merry Christmas" is not a greeting or a warm wish so much as it is a cultural bludgeon.

So still sticking with that LLR thing Chuck?; 12/25/17, 9:16 AM
Chuck said...: Yeah, that goddam "war on Christmas."

Started in America by the Puritans, in the 1600's. Calling celebrations of Christmas an abomination and making it illegal.

I'm glad that we got a Constitution with an Establishment Clause after that.; 12/25/17, 9:17 AM
chuck said...: Merry Christmas all.; 12/25/17, 9:17 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Actually, that isn't fair. Chuck might be LLR. Which is why the Republican party has been the party of fail for so long.; 12/25/17, 9:18 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Never mind, Chuck knows about the Puritans being against Christmas celebrations in the 1600s (fails to note that was because at the time Christmas celebrations were often an excuse to get drunk and party, not celebrate the birth of Christ, and them being Puritans) which is a sign of a devoted lefty who has been studying up on the Internet.; 12/25/17, 9:21 AM
Curious George said...: Trump's tweet gets everyone on the left (and titty twisters of all stripes) saying and posting "Merry Christmas"...genius! Chuck once again a puppet on a string.; 12/25/17, 9:23 AM
Gramof3 said...: Just a quiet reminder for the new year...what you resist, persists.; 12/25/17, 9:23 AM
Curious George said...: Do you think that Trump says to himself "This is way too easy!?"; 12/25/17, 9:27 AM
Wince said...: The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Wow. The scowl on that face. It never goes away, does it?

It looked to me like he was graciously acknowledging people as he entered.; 12/25/17, 9:27 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I see pictures of him smiling all the time.

I thought it would be more obvious, but I suppose it's to be expected that a Trump supporter would be so easily duped:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/10/psychology-empathy-distinguish-fake-genuine-smiles
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-neurologist-explains-how-to-spot-a-fake-smile-2016-7
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/thriving101/201001/what-science-has-say-about-genuine-vs-fake-smiles; 12/25/17, 9:29 AM
ken in tx said...: A tree in a church decorated with Christian symbols is a Christmon Tree, not a Christmas tree. BTW, the reason one shouldn't applaud in church is because the congregation is not the audience, God is. This understanding is fading away in modern churches. You should say "Amen" instead.; 12/25/17, 9:38 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: TR is now all about the mind reading.; 12/25/17, 9:40 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: So TR does not dispute that their are pictures of Trump smiling, he just changes the claim to them being "fake smiles" and calls me a dupe.

OK then. I actually don't care if they are fake or not. The leftist argument seems to be that Trump is fulfilling (or at least attempting to fulfill) his campaign promises, that people voted for him to fulfill, for nefarious purposes. He doesn't really care you see. He's duping us by doing the things he promised he would do if he became President.; 12/25/17, 9:43 AM
Chuck said...: Humperdink said...
Chuck said: "There was never a "war on Christmas."

..... as the nativity scenes continue to be removed from the public square.

And not from churches, or other private institutions. Thanks in large part to RFRA's and other bipartisan (and sometimes Republican) legislation.

I just don't want to let you get away with a smart-alecky last word on this subject. Trump didn't say anything intelligent about the Establishment Clause. Because he couldn't ever do that.

What Trump claimed was that there was an "assault" on the phrase "Merry Christmas." And that he -- Trump -- was making it okay to say it again. Without ever being clear about where and when it was not okay under government rules or regulations to prohibit the phrase. Because there were and are none.; 12/25/17, 9:44 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Do you think that Trump says to himself "This is way too easy!?"

I think a lot of the animosity towards Trump from the NeverTrumpers is driven by the fact that he, a lowly businessman, has been able to accomplish things that they, the experts, couldn't, and makes it look easy.; 12/25/17, 9:46 AM
gadfly said...: According to Wiki:

[The Episcopalian Church (TEC)] has opposed the death penalty and supported the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Some of its leaders and priests are known for marching with influential civil rights' demonstrators such as Martin Luther King Jr. The Church calls for the full legal equality of gay and lesbian people, a movement partly inspired by their similar call for racial equality during the mid-1950s. In 2015, the Church's 78th annual General Convention passed resolutions allowing the blessing of same-sex marriages and approved two official liturgies to bless such unions, though they are not yet official rites within the Book of Common Prayer. Due to the complex process of editing or making additions to the Prayer Book, the BCP still describes marriage as being the union of a man and a woman.

Being a sometimes devout Christian (when it suits the circumstance), Donald obviously follows the preferences of the religion of his Scottish mother - or not, depending about what he saw on TV today.; 12/25/17, 9:46 AM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Credit to me* as far as you know:

May the road rise to meet you,
The wind always at your back be,
The rains fall softly on your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

*Nuttin' new under the sun after all (don't you blaspheme now).; 12/25/17, 9:46 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Chuck, continuing to miss the point.; 12/25/17, 9:47 AM
Humperdink said...: Chuck, you having a bad day? Wowee.; 12/25/17, 9:47 AM
Anonymous said...: To all here, even the Scrooges, have a Merry Christmas.

To Ann (and Meade), thanks for a blog of the highest quality year 'round.; 12/25/17, 9:49 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: OK then. I actually don't care if they are fake or not.

Just like you don't care that everything else about him is fake, too.

The leftist argument seems to be that Trump is fulfilling (or at least attempting to fulfill) his campaign promises, that people voted for him to fulfill, for nefarious purposes. He doesn't really care you see.

Well, he doesn't care about anything - including you and including reality or the ridiculously unhinged job he's doing. Just whether he can enhance his own power. It's becoming clearer and clearer that's all his supporters care about too. They just want a strongman dictator who uses the government to enrich his progeny and his tax refunds.

Just be open about all that, next time. For a second people thought you were actually sincere about wanting the right thing for the country - instead of for just Donald Trump. I guess you weren't really sure.; 12/25/17, 9:50 AM
Howard said...: Merry Christmas, everyone.; 12/25/17, 9:51 AM
Chuck said...: gadfly;
I get it, and I like your post. (Of course ignorance is bliss in Trump's case. He's been to church so infrequently, and has been so distant from membership in any church, that he wouldn't know what his church stood for, officially.)

But of course the cognitive dissonance between one's church and one's career as a politician is just as bad with Democrats. See, e.g., absolutely every Roman Catholic Democrat. (We can say "absolutely every... Democrat" because they are absolutely all pro-abortion rights. Even an Alabama Democrat.); 12/25/17, 9:52 AM
tcrosse said...: And Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will.
The rest of you are on your own.; 12/25/17, 9:52 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: ...the Scrooges...

Hahaha. Insufficient adulation is being paid in tribute to our paper billionaire! said the middle-class American to a bunch of other middle class Americans.; 12/25/17, 9:54 AM
Chuck said...: I forgot; Democrats pro-abortion rights AND pro-SSM.; 12/25/17, 9:57 AM
Michael K said...: I see the lefties and LLRs are up this morning.

Merry Christmas and we are headed to watch the grandchildren open presents.; 12/25/17, 9:58 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: And Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will.
The rest of you are on your own.

I get it! Trump doesn't need good will because he's a self-made man!

He got his start the way all self-made men do it: With millions in funds to carry the business through from Fred Trump.

That's how we all do it. With millions from Fred Trump.

Where's Fred Trump this Christmas! Where's his gift to the rest of us! We wanna be "self-made" too!; 12/25/17, 9:59 AM
mockturtle said...: The sermon quote makes me think of the Pences' experience at a performance of Hamilton.; 12/25/17, 10:00 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Merry Christmas, Humperdink!; 12/25/17, 10:12 AM
gadfly said...: Blogger Chuck said...
Best part of the story; in his homily, Rev. James Harlan quoted Nelson Mandela. From the Sun-Sentinel:

“Nelson Mandela, the great champion of racial equality in South Africa, was imprisoned for almost three decades for standing up to a government that was repressing, racist and all of that,” he said. “Nelson Mandela knew the power of words. He said it is never my custom to use words lightly. If 27 years in prison had done anything to us, it was to use the silence of solitude to make us understand how precious words are and how real speech is in its impact on the way people live and die.”

The Reverend Harlan missed an important piece of Nelson Mandela history:

Before becoming South Africa’s post-apartheid president in 1994, Nelson Mandela headed up a terrorist organization that was responsible for thousands of deaths—most of it black-on-black crime. Mandela also had strong ties to communism, an ideology responsible for more death and destruction over the last century than any other political movement.; 12/25/17, 10:13 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I think the nicest thing Trump did this Christmas was to decrease his taxes by charging it to the national debt, rather than by offsetting it with much higher taxes on the backs of the working class Americans. (Some of their taxes will rise, of course, but probably not all that much in the aggregate). It was a nice Christmas gift on his part to the nation. Instead of offsetting his tax break with higher taxes on most other Americans, he decided to send the bill to our future generations. Very generous of him! Future generations will thank the president for how he thought of them in this very kind and selfless way.; 12/25/17, 10:16 AM
narciso said...: His successor who was head of umkhonto do sizwe seems intent in going full Zimbabwe, which was organized along maoist lines.; 12/25/17, 10:18 AM
narciso said...: That would be Jacob zumba, the corrupt warlord.; 12/25/17, 10:19 AM
Mark said...: There was never a "war on Christmas."

Says the guy doing a drive-by, shooting up the place with his profane politicization of this day.

In fact, from the very first Christmas, there has been a war on, when Herod sought to destroy the newborn Christ. And it has continued ever since.

As for war on the holiday, the celebration of Christmas was in fact criminalized in various places as being something those papists do.; 12/25/17, 10:27 AM
mockturtle said...: Gadfly: Thank you for bringing that up. Among the Progressives [which includes several mainline churches] people of color get a pass on terrorism. The end always justifies the means.; 12/25/17, 10:33 AM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Merry Christmas! I’ve never stopped saying Merry Christmas, when appropriate. Trump didn’t make me start saying it. But why are people clapping? It’s a Christmas service, not a reality show. Now I’ve got to put my bread in the oven and prepare Christmas dinner for 12.; 12/25/17, 10:34 AM
Chuck said...: Mark said...
There was never a "war on Christmas."

Says the guy doing a drive-by, shooting up the place with his profane politicization of this day.

In fact, from the very first Christmas, there has been a war on, when Herod sought to destroy the newborn Christ. And it has continued ever since.

As for war on the holiday, the celebration of Christmas was in fact criminalized in various places as being something those papists do.

Yeah, riiiight; that's what Trump was talking about. King Herod, and the Romans, and whatever.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I wonder how long it would have taken in an answer from Trump to the question, "Can you explain what you mean, by 'War on Christmas'?" for him to get around to Herod, or 17th century Puritans. Probably about the same amount of time as a team of monkeys, to type Paul's Second Letter to the church in Corinth.

Trump was talking 21st century popular American culture. Everybody understands that. Because popular American culture (mostly 20th century, I'd argue) is all that Trump knows. As long as it was on TV at some time or another.

Although if Trump actually were as informed and literate as you, Mark, I might like it. I'd probably prefer you as POTUS as opposed to Trump. Thanks for your comment here. Yours is a notion that is at once clever and thoughtful.; 12/25/17, 10:42 AM
gadfly said...: @The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Where's Fred Trump this Christmas! Where's his gift to the rest of us! We wanna be "self-made" too!

Fred Trump, Sr. is dead as is Donald's brother Fred Jr. Senior died of pneumonia after suffering with Alzheimer's for six years. Junior died of alcoholism complications.

So where have all the Trump men gone, long time passing? Gone to flowers every one. When will they ever learn?

12/25/17, 9:59 AM; 12/25/17, 10:44 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: In fact, from the very first Christmas, there has been a war on, when Herod sought to destroy the newborn Christ. And it has continued ever since.

The Jews are coming for us!

The paranoia never ends.; 12/25/17, 10:44 AM
Robert Cook said...: ””What Trump claimed was that there was an "assault" on the phrase "Merry Christmas." And that he -- Trump -- was making it okay to say it again. Without ever being clear about where and when it was not okay under government rules or regulations to prohibit the phrase. Because there were and are none.”

Trump is a shrewd enough con man to know that such nonsense is red meat to the morons. Because only morons would believe there is a “war on Christmas.”

Saying “Happy Holidays” is courteous and practical in a nation with so many people of so many creeds(or no creed). (We are a nation where Christianity is the predominant religion, but we are not a Christian nation. There are more and more people one encounters who are not Christian.); 12/25/17, 10:46 AM
Humperdink said...: Winnie Mandela (Nelson's bride): "A controversial activist, she remains popular among her supporters, who refer to her as the "Mother of the Nation", yet reviled by others after the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission found that she had personally been responsible for the murder, torture, abduction, and assault of numerous men, women, and children, as well as indirectly responsible for an even larger number of such crimes ....

"Her reputation was damaged by such rhetoric as that displayed in a speech she gave in Munsieville on 13 April 1986, where she endorsed the practice of necklacing (burning people alive using tyres and petrol) by saying: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country."

Sweet.; 12/25/17, 10:47 AM
Humperdink said...: ^^^^^ Wiki.; 12/25/17, 10:47 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Fred Trump, Sr. is dead as is Donald's brother Fred Jr.

That's ok! Donald Christ can deduct his share from the original grant to disperse nationally. Shouldn't be that much of a problem if he'd grown it as well as a good businessman should.

Oh that's right. He didn't. He got the business to grow slower than if he'd just invested it instead. Apparently the market is a heck of a lot smarter than Donald Christ.; 12/25/17, 10:48 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Saying “Happy Holidays” is courteous and practical in a nation with so many people of so many creeds(or no creed). (We are a nation where Christianity is the predominant religion, but we are not a Christian nation. There are more and more people one encounters who are not Christian.)

Not a Christian nation? OH noes! How therefore will we re-initiate the wars between Protestants and Catholics and Anglicans and Puritans and Calvinists and Huguenots and Mormons and Anabaptists and countless other sects that we can sow division between by deciding which of them are the rightful heirs to the watered down "national Christian" label. Not fair! One of them need to reign supreme over the country!; 12/25/17, 10:52 AM
FullMoon said...: Whoa ! Titty Twister LLR Chuck, Psycho Narcissist name changer Ritmo Segundo, Tootheless useless and Christian lady Inga all here first thing full of hate, anger, envy, loneliness and stupidity. Seeking attention from the normals. SAD!; 12/25/17, 10:56 AM
Chuck said...: Luke Lea said...
As usual, Trump makes his point with strategic hyperbole.

There has of course been no literal war on the phrase "Merry Christmas" in our public discourse. On the other hand there has definitely been a trend to substitute the innocuous phrase "Happy Holidays," fueled no doubt by not wanting to offend other faiths or people of no faith* in our newly dubbed 'multicultural' society.

I would be curious: Are some Jews offended if you wish them a merry Christmas? Have there been any stories about this in the media. What about corporations and advertisers? Are they just playing it safe by taking the lowest common denominator?

I expect that most Jews would not take offense. But just to be sure, I'd like to check with Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and the President's Jewish grandchildren.; 12/25/17, 10:58 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Seeking attention from the normals.

You say you're normal? (Let alone the hilarious idea that anyone would seek "attention" from you). I thought you believed you were better than everyone else? What happened to all that "WINNING!" rhetoric? Can't be all that meaningful if your "winning" is just a way of saying "normal," or "average," or "mediocre." Unless, is it the kind of "winning" that every kid gets for their participation trophy?

PARTICIPATION TROPHY WINNING!; 12/25/17, 11:05 AM
Mark said...: It is a real tragedy that on this day, the words of james james in the last paragraph of his comment yesterday (4:06 p.m.) come to mind.; 12/25/17, 11:06 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I would be curious: Are some Jews offended if you wish them a merry Christmas?

Probably only if you sought to libel, torture, massacre or forcibly convert them. So relatively speaking, merely haranguing them for not subscribing to the (for now) dominant theology must sound like a very neighborly mercy - at least among those dominant theology practitioners who require imagining that they themselves are persecuted. You know. By disposable coffee mugs.; 12/25/17, 11:12 AM
Luke Lea said...: As usual, Trump makes his point with strategic hyperbole.

There has of course been no literal war on the phrase "Merry Christmas" in our public discourse. On the other hand there has definitely been a trend to substitute the innocuous phrase "Happy Holidays" fueled no doubt by a wish not to offend people of other faiths or of no faith in our new 'multicultural' society.

I would be curious: Are some Jews offended if you wish them a merry Christmas? Have there been any stories about this in the media? What about corporations and advertisers, for whom Happy Holidays is almost de rigeur? Are they just playing it safe by taking the lowest common denominator?

Wikipedia as a good story on Christmas controversies in general, including the fact that the original Puritans banned celebrations of Christmas as pagan or popish. https://goo.gl/rW6ab1; 12/25/17, 11:13 AM
Drago said...: "Accidental Leftist" Chuck: "I expect that most Jews would not take offense. But just to be sure, I'd like to check with Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and the President's Jewish grandchildren"

I love how LLR Chuck assumes that by mentioning the religion of Jared/Ivanka/children that it will somehow drive a wedge between Trump and the republican base voters.

Almost as if LLR Chuck's beliefs PRECISELY mirror those of someone who would pose as a conservative in order to sow dissension amongst republicans by drawing on all the faulty premises of the left.

Almost precisely.

Almost.

Just about 100%.

LOL; 12/25/17, 11:21 AM
FullMoon said...: Seeking attention from the normals.

You say you're normal? (Let alone the hilarious idea that anyone would seek "attention" from you). I thought you believed you were better than everyone else? What happened to all that "WINNING!" rhetoric? Can't be all that meaningful if your "winning" is just a way of saying "normal," or "average," or "mediocre." Unless, is it the kind of "winning" that every kid gets for their participation trophy?

PARTICIPATION TROPHY WINNING!

12/25/17, 11:05 AM

What's that I hear? Could it be... why yes, the puppy is yapping again!
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
Bark puppy, bark, while FullMoon Pavlov rings the tiny bell.
WINNING!

Twister Chuck out looking for Greta to bruise up, Christian Cat LadyInga singing Hymns while baking bread Crazy Ritmo looking out the window for signs of Global Warming.
Winning!; 12/25/17, 11:21 AM
Drago said...: Merry Christmas LLR Chuck!!

Sorry about those tax cuts. I know it's got to be very upsetting to you, Bill Kristol and your lefty operational allies!

But that just makes it all the better, doesn't it?; 12/25/17, 11:24 AM
Drago said...: Who has the Max Boot Suicide Watch this week?

I don't think its my turn, but I want to double check.; 12/25/17, 11:25 AM
Gahrie said...: What Trump claimed was that there was an "assault" on the phrase "Merry Christmas." And that he -- Trump -- was making it okay to say it again. Without ever being clear about where and when it was not okay under government rules or regulations to prohibit the phrase. Because there were and are none.

Are you truly that dense?

The war against Christmas isn't being carried out by the government...it's being waged by the secular Left....your buddies.

The lawsuits against creches, the push for happy holidays etc. It is a part of the whole political correctness craze. Trump's pushback against political correctness is helping make it OK to say Merry Christmas again.

I am stunned by people's pleasant surprise when I wish them a Merry Christmas (99% of the time they return the wish)

I'm also a little surprised that Kwanzaa hasn't been played up more this year. I've heard more about Festivus than Kwanzaa lately.; 12/25/17, 11:34 AM
FullMoon said...: Toothless Puppy, a reminder from one of your adversaries. Remember this spanking from earlier this year?
WINNING !

R & B: I don'think you EVER set foot in a science lab. I don't think you EVER tried to get funding for your projects.

In fact, I bet you don't even know what the largest component of the Earth's atmosphere is, or what percentage of it is CO2.....
.............................................

Face it: you're ashamed, aren't you.... you had to look everything up, didn't you....didn't match your warmista fantasies, did it.......yet you won't ever admit that you are a Science Fuckwit.; 12/25/17, 11:36 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Bark puppy, bark, while FullMoon Pavlov rings the tiny bell.
WINNING!

Let's hear it for Full Moon's Participation Trophy, everyone! He actually got someone to respond to him! Isn't that amazing?

It's his own little Christmas Miracle. Typically people ignore him, so the reason for any response to him doesn't matter. Just the fact that he got his Participation Trophy! A response! A Christmas Miracle!; 12/25/17, 11:38 AM
FullMoon said...: Continuing in the spirit of humor fairness and equality, a bit of a spanking for the Twister LLR Chuck from earlier this year:

Ann Althouse said... [hush][hide comment]

Chuck, you're doing clutter. You're causing me (and I presume others) to just have to scroll to get past your long and repetitive stuff. You need to change what you are doing or you will become one of the small group of people I call bad faith commenters, whose posts I delete without reading whenever I see them. I'm quite serious. You need to cut way back and keep it short. Stop repeating yourself. Everyone is bored and you are not cute. And don't argue with me in the comments. Stop doing clutter.; 12/25/17, 11:40 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: In fact, I bet you don't even know what the largest component of the Earth's atmosphere is, or what percentage of it is CO2.....

Oh, I know. I was so showed up by what another delusional imagined I must have somehow not known. How will my own knowledge ever compare to one of Full Moan's fellow delusional's fantasies? Oh no!

You know, those stockings hanging from your chimney have other uses than just jerking off into, you know? (Your house does have a chimney, does it not? I imagine it must have twenty!); 12/25/17, 11:42 AM
FullMoon said...: And, of course Inga, who disappeared and returned as unknown , kinda left the cesspool in a bit of a huff because of Trumps success earlier this year:

Inga said...

Stop and think how ridiculous you've become. I'm fine with becoming persona non grata. Your blog has become the cesspool it once was. I'm pretty much done here.; 12/25/17, 11:44 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Let's hear it for Full Moan, the Christmas Troll! Spreading Christmas Jeer! And smear!

Even today he's full of nothing but more lies and personal attacks. But who wants to bother the hosts with notices to have him deleted, as usual. Best to just leave him yipping around the fire like a little terrier. It's the only form of participation he knows, but still a participation trophy, nonetheless! (And a better outlet for the effects of his drunkenness than what the "Little Missus" must have in store for him - which I imagine must be a heavy dose of ignoring him. Doesn't she at least have the self-respect to divorce him? Especially given how little earning potential he has and the bulk of his net worth just tied up in a property located somewhere that doesn't want him?); 12/25/17, 11:49 AM
FullMoon said...: Woof woof !You know, those stockings hanging from your chimney have other uses than just jerking off into, you know? (Your house does have a chimney, does it not? I imagine it must have twenty!)

Million word vocabulary bi-lingual, scientifically educated almost Mensa,
sixth grade insult.SAD!

Man up ritmo, rythymn and balls, toothless. Come up with a decent insult.
Use google if you need to.
WINNING !!; 12/25/17, 11:54 AM
FullMoon said...: My puppy wants to tattle to mommy and daddy but resists

But who wants to bother the hosts with notices to have him deleted, as usual.
Winning!; 12/25/17, 11:58 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Awwww... the little toddler was disappointed in the caliber of his Christmas insult.

I wanted to make sure it was one on your level, little guy!

Don't you have anything to do today? I know the answer's, "no," but you could at least make your ill will toward men a little less obvious today, if you tried. All that does is just lead people to speculate on the cause of your resentments. (Alcoholism? Bad marriage? The butt of all neighborhood holiday party jokes?); 12/25/17, 11:59 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: ...tattle...

No one tattles, that I know of. They just delete you on their own, because of they can see how boring your comments are.; 12/25/17, 12:01 PM
tcrosse said...: It's the true spirit of Festivus.; 12/25/17, 12:07 PM
Big Mike said...: When antifa is violently demonstrating against a "March for Jesus" on the grounds that the Christian cross is a white supremacist symbol, I'd say that far from the War on Christmas being an overblown hoax, it's been escalated by Cookie, Toothless, Freder and their apologists.; 12/25/17, 12:11 PM
Drago said...: In the spirit of Christmas of the New Year, perhaps we could all chip in and buy a brand new "dossier" for the dems and their LLR allies.

Except this time, lets try something a bit more "realistic" than that last piece of obvious garbage LLR Chuck's lefty allies used to spy on domestic political opponents.

How about, Trump went to North Korea like, I don't know, 8 years ago, and was allowed to strangle people to death as partial payment for a new Trump Resort adjacent to a planned NK nuke missile launch site?

You know, something that will capture the imagination of the lefties now that the last "dossier" has officially fizzled out based on testimony under oath by Brennan, Clapper, Comey and "li'l Comey" McCabe.

I can't wait to see how Alex Baldwin will run with this new story line! So many possibilities, all breathlessly awaited by Chuck.

The coming New Year already seems brighter and best of all it will help distract from all those hate crimes committed by Christians a thousand years ago that the lefties want to discuss constantly and hold all Christians accountable for today!

#SoMuchWinning!; 12/25/17, 12:20 PM
Greg Hlatky said...: Looks like this thread has been ruined.; 12/25/17, 12:24 PM
rcocean said...: Anti-racism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Whenever I hear some White Person yapping about Mandela and St. Martin Luther King, I count the silverware.

Judas Priest, what phonies.; 12/25/17, 12:29 PM
n.n said...: Merry Christmas.; 12/25/17, 12:32 PM
rcocean said...: Mandela was a Communist engaged in the violent overthrow of the SA government when he was sent to prison.

Its noble that he didn't exact revenage, when he gained power. Unlike many of the Bolsheviks, who made it a point to kill anyone who'd caused them trouble.; 12/25/17, 12:32 PM
Humperdink said...: @Drago. I dunno, I think the original dossier alleging Trump hiring prostitutes to urinate on a bed Obama once used is pretty realistic. I mean, every federal law enforcement agency bought into it. These guys are good, real good.; 12/25/17, 12:33 PM
Big Mike said...: Yes, Humperdink. Top. Men.; 12/25/17, 1:04 PM
FullMoon said...: I think the original dossier alleging Trump hiring prostitutes to urinate on a bed Obama once used is pretty realistic.

It was the $40,000.00 mattress Althouse discusses in another thread.; 12/25/17, 1:11 PM
Michael K said...: I see this thread deteriorated pretty quickly after I left.

Merry Christmas Inga and the other normals.; 12/25/17, 2:08 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Blogger The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Wow. The scowl on that face. It never goes away, does it?

"Have you noticed that the imbecile always smiles? Man's first frown is the first touch of God on his forehead. The touch of thought."
63.3 Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead

Hey guys...

Have Chuck and Titus ever been seen together?

Maybe Chuck is Titus!; 12/25/17, 2:14 PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: TTR, I have been meaning to say that you overuse “scowl,” try “rictus.” I first heard that word from a lefty writer insulting Reagan. It never hurts to try a little harder.

BTW, Peace on Earth.; 12/25/17, 2:15 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Friends don't let friends read Ayn Rand.

One can never overuse the word "scowl" in describing Trump. He literally detests humankind. Can't you tell how persistently uncomfortable he is? Any universe that doesn't designate him as its creator and destroyer is one he prefers not to be in.; 12/25/17, 2:36 PM
Chuck said...: Full Moon as long as you are determined to drive all of this into the ditch with a personal attack on me entirely unrelated reference, I just have to ask; was my admonition from Althouse around the time that our hostess unwittingly posted the phony story wherein Milo Yiannopoulos falsely claimed that "NPR" had spiked his book-promotion interview? After which NPR and WNPR-Connecticut Public Radio (and Snopes) all carefully explained what was wrong with the Milo story. And then, WNPR aired the time-edited interview (as they had planned all along), conclusively putting the lie to the original Milo story.

For my part, having originally taken the side of NPR versus Milo, and having been abused in a 300-comment donnybrook, I made sure to come back to say that I had been right all along.

I think that is when Althouse admonished me. She wanted to MoveOn.; 12/25/17, 2:39 PM
buwaya said...: Merry Christmas!

Good news indeed.
Anyway, Midnight Mass takes care of the day of obligation.
And most churches, or Catholic ones anyway, Midnight Mass is the gala event, its when the choirs of religious (nuns, mostly) are most likely to show up at parish churches.; 12/25/17, 2:50 PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: I think that Trump looks pretty happy. I don’t think that normal people you might find serving you coffee in the morning with their pleasant smiles generally rise to power. One thing I don’t trust in a politician is a genuine smile. They can sell you on anything. Better to be skeptical all of the time and use your own noggin.; 12/25/17, 2:55 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead...

Re: Ayn Rand, check out these interesting tidbits about her providing the inspiration for the Church of Satan. Nice thing to remind oneself on Christmas Day:

Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, is an acknowledged source for some of the Satanic philosophy as outlined in The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey. Ayn Rand was a brilliant and insightful author and philosopher and her best-selling novels Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead continue to attract deserved attention for a new generation of readers.

...and...

The historian of Satanism Ruben van Luijk characterised it as a form of "anarchism of the Right". LaVey was anti-egalitarian and elitist, believing in the fundamental inequality of different human beings. His philosophy was Social Darwinist in basis, having been influenced by the writings of Herbert Spencer, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Ayn Rand. LaVey stated that his Satanism was "just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added".

Interesting lady to quote today.; 12/25/17, 3:07 PM
buwaya said...: Ayn Rand needed salvation, certainly.

She was a rather haunted atheist, suffering all her life from the political disasters of her childhood, a trauma of the Russian revolution. She had a powerful thirst for vengeance against those that tore her life apart.

She was full of pride, and a brittle sort of bravado. Much of what she wrote and did was a rationalization of her coping strategy I think.

But in any case, she was a genius of her own sort, a creative thinker, and above all an extremely perceptive critic. She had a mind full of flaying knives, able to skin a character and reveal the diseased tissue beneath. Her greatest skill was understanding her enemies. Her works are a complex mix of perception, description, fantasy, bile, and shaky rationalization.

She was excellent at diagnosis, but not so good at solutions.

In the context of the 20th century she was a major force, a great fount of realistic insight. Its no accident that she was far more influential in the great days of American popular education, when the masses could process complexity and understand what she was saying. That level of thought about large matters is nearly gone among the general public. Ayn Rand, or anyone like her, could never sell that many books today.

Its interesting that those compilers of hagiographies of great and influential women never count Ayn Rand. Who was greater by far than any "feminist".; 12/25/17, 3:12 PM
buwaya said...: The greatest influence on Anton La Vey and all that ilk of pretend-satanists, is, as always, the Catholic Church.

They hate that above all. Every satanist is an inverse-Catholic.; 12/25/17, 3:16 PM
buwaya said...: And AP is of course a humorist.

Ritmo is however sincere, and a haunted soul.
If any of us needs to go to church, he does.
And I mean this sincerely. This can only do him good.

Also, probably, dancing lessons.; 12/25/17, 3:24 PM
Drago said...: LLR Chuck is simply not having a very good December, is he?

Neither are the dems.

Coincidence?

Not to worry Chuckie! There's another year right around the corner where the lefty MSM and dems will need a great deal of "cover" and I know you are up for it!

Good luck!; 12/25/17, 3:32 PM
Drago said...: "Bowe Bergdahl Republican" Chuck: "For my part, having originally taken the side of NPR versus Milo, and having been abused in a 300-comment donnybrook..."

In many nations Christians are being blown up, sexually enslaved, having their heads cut off, etc.

But that clearly is nothing compared to the "abuse" our intrepid "accidental Leftist" has faced on Althouse blog.

I hope those Christians being murdered, maimed and enslaved learn from LLR Chucks "courage".

Thats precisely the sort of courage that almost, nearly, close but no cigar, got Chuck to serve his country.

Well played Chuck. You walk amongst the giants of our time.; 12/25/17, 3:44 PM
FullMoon said...: Chuck wonders"....was my admonition from Althouse around the time ..."

Nope. It was one of the many other times.But, you know that. A pathetic attempt to resurrect the "glory" of yesteryear. Look above, your courage has been addressed, Twister.; 12/25/17, 4:21 PM
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mockturtle said...: Its interesting that those compilers of hagiographies of great and influential women never count Ayn Rand. Who was greater by far than any "feminist".

Interesting but not surprising. Rand personified the power of an individual who had seen and rejected all the lies.

While I found her characters markedly soul-less, her novels were important works. Most of my friends and I read Rand in high school. My BF [my first husband] and I would spend many hours discussing her work, both pros and cons. Her 'sermons' were sometimes too long but she made a point about human nature and what motivates excellence that needs reviving today.; 12/25/17, 4:42 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:01 PM
Chuck said...: Do you have a link, Full Moon?; 12/25/17, 5:04 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:09 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:13 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:16 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Looks like some douchebag doesn't understand the meaning of the word "link."; 12/25/17, 5:23 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Ritmo is however sincere, and a haunted soul.
If any of us needs to go to church, he does.

I tried that, but prefer Filipino folk religion instead. Much more innocent, naive. Less imperialistic, genocidal, and obsessed with telling people what to do.

No wonder it didn't work for buwaya. Too bad.

For everyone else, there's rationalism.; 12/25/17, 5:27 PM
FullMoon said...: Looks like some douchebag doesn't understand the meaning of the word "link."

Do you have a link? (question)
Yep. (answer)

Jeeze, your stupid. Get back in your cage.; 12/25/17, 5:29 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: HOW TO MAKE A LINK

You know, for people who actually care about their credibility and don't want to appear to be just making shit up.

Sources are important. It's something you might have a chance to look into given all the time on your hands today that's been freed up by the missus warding off your conjugal advances, impotence and stinking alcohol breath.; 12/25/17, 5:40 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:42 PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: You know, I have been making links for years.

<a href=“www.google.com”>Link to Google</a>

and suddenly it stopped working. I wonder if it’s a javascript problem with my browser.; 12/25/17, 5:46 PM
Chuck said...: Blogger FullMoon said...
"Chuck said...

Do you have a link, Full Moon?"

Yep.

So you got that goin' for you. Which is nice.; 12/25/17, 5:46 PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: Link to Google; 12/25/17, 5:46 PM
Mark said...: Could we now get a link on HOW TO DO A BING SEARCH?

(For some reason it was not found through Google); 12/25/17, 5:47 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: your stupid

Here you go. And this can also help.

In case you ever needed a job where speaking and writing mattered as much as grunting, mouth-breathing, and getting out of the way of heavy machinery.

I mean, they'll still know how stupid you are, but at least it'll get your foot in the door. The one that's not always in your mouth, anyway.; 12/25/17, 5:47 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 5:47 PM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: Every time I put the HTTP:// in the link, the browser chokes on it.

It stopped working just about the time they repealed net neutrality.; 12/25/17, 5:50 PM
Mark said...: He was all pissy and whiny, crying about people saying mean things to him, in that comment string too.; 12/25/17, 5:51 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: There are many links that explain that, BTW. I chose the one with the REALLY LARGE type font for him.; 12/25/17, 5:52 PM
FullMoon said...: OK, OK,

Golden Showers accepted; 12/25/17, 5:56 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Misogynist Lawyers and other educated assholes...

Awwww... poor baby. Not everyone who's educated is an asshole. It just appears that way to you because of that massive chip on your shoulder.

And I'm not sure what the women's movement would do without you. I mean, that avatar alone screams "NICE TO THE LADIES!"

Lemme guess, you didn't fit in too well at the construction sites you worked on, either? Who knows? Maybe you're one of them newfangled transgender bricklayers.

Either way, it's obvious you haven't gotten laid in years. Did you get impaled in the groin by a motorized pallet jack, or something? Why not construct an Erector Set device for your bungled pee pee? It would at least get you off of this site.; 12/25/17, 5:59 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Oh, that was clever! Watch this:

Impotent alcoholic rages at the Joneses; 12/25/17, 6:01 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 6:03 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/25/17, 6:05 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Apparently someone needs a hobby.; 12/25/17, 6:09 PM
FullMoon said...: Toothless Ladies man complains:
The only women I date are either not from America or are closet freaks - (the good kind). But then sometimes even the freaks aren't also open about all the other things. But not hating yourself sexually is a good start.; 12/25/17, 6:12 PM
FullMoon said...: President Trump once said "Do you think people change? I don't"

Alex said...

It's a given that as soon as Ritmo shows up the thread is destroyed. There will be no good discussions afterwards.
3/2/13, 3:25 PM; 12/25/17, 6:16 PM
FullMoon said...: But then sometimes even the freaks aren't also open about all the other things

What sort of vile kinks do you have that disgusts the freaks?
SAD!; 12/25/17, 6:17 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: It's a given that as soon as Ritmo shows up the thread is destroyed. There will be no good discussions afterwards.
3/2/13, 3:25 PM

Quoted by a guy who posted fifteen of the last 29 comments in less than 2 hours. But I'm sure that talking to yourself is a good thing, right? I bet you're used to having conversations about yourself. And about all those ladies that you're a-protectin' with your good old fashioned purity! (Including your wife. Could a guy have a more transparently revelatory about his marital shortcomings and woes? I don't think so).

So exactly what kind of heavy equipment castrated you, Fool Moron? And what's it like getting as drunk as you do while gettin' all down with 2nd-wave puritanical feminist philosophy with the fellow construction workers? That sounds like a real hoot. Tell the truth, were you catcalled or something?

I think there's a greater than 50% chance he was raped after hours at the construction site. That would be gross and unexpected even for a bricklayer, but it's the only thing that explains this weirdo's militant sexless feminism. Well, that and, you know... the castration incident.; 12/25/17, 6:34 PM
narciso said...: I was intrigued by the story of victor corpus, the phillipine military cadet, who defected to the npa with sizable arsenal, after Marcos ouster re joined the army and made it to general

The herod reference is to counteract the narrative about the nativity, oddly it parallels the behavior of the king, who exiled perseus who feared replacememt; 12/25/17, 6:35 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I look forward to many more comments by Fool Moron about all the sex he's not having. Lines like his haven't been heard since The 40 Year Old Virgin.; 12/25/17, 6:37 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: What sort of vile kinks do you have that disgusts the freaks?
SAD!

You seem to comment often about how sad you are. Have you sought any professional help for your depression? Perhaps Zoloft might help. It might not mix well with all that alcohol, though.; 12/25/17, 6:47 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Full Moan complains:

But not hating yourself sexually is a good start.

Because, you know, that industrial castration accident and the construction site gang rape left him with no choice but to hate himself sexually.

Rescue him, Feminists! Rescue him! He's a diamond in the rough! A really dull, soft and industrially manufactured diamond, but still a diamond!; 12/25/17, 6:50 PM
FullMoon said...: But then sometimes even the freaks aren't also open about all the other things

What sort of vile kinks do you have that disgusts the freaks?
SAD!

Puppy (transparently revelatory) barks his answers:
castration ..... gang rape...... raped....Zoloft alcohol....castrated

You obviously like to fantasize about violence. Must cost extra, eh?; 12/25/17, 7:14 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Still talking to himself. Still sexually preoccupied with others. Still needing a hobby.; 12/25/17, 7:21 PM
FullMoon said...: Lonely boy imagines:
The Toothless Revolutionary said...

As long as we're going to talk about size the fact of the matter is that C cup is basically the best. And it comes down to shape more than size. Teardrop is the best shape. But luckily C cup usually falls into a teardrop pattern as long as the owner is in good shape.

And then even more importantly than shape and size are the areolae. I could get more into that but I'm a gentleman; 12/25/17, 7:26 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: ...imagines:

No, actually those are real experiences. Ever had one?; 12/25/17, 7:29 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Actually, this part is technically true:

Lonely boy imagines:
The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The lonely boy, Full Moan, is imagining what he might want to read into others' words.; 12/25/17, 7:34 PM
FullMoon said...: No, actually those are real experiences
Oh, yeah, you a real player all right. Haha!
Tell me again about the time you had one on each side, hands on your knees...
You a narcissistic sociopath, lacking the personality. SAD!; 12/25/17, 7:37 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: So you admit that you've never actually had any real experiences, then?

That would explain a lot.

Are your emotions phony, too? "SAD!" Lol. Like Sesame Street.

A Trumpist going on about narcissistic sociopaths, just because they have sex and even... sexual preferences! Oh no!

Anyway, narcissist sociopath (but good 2nd wave feminist!), since you like quotes so much, try explaining this one:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Try explaining that one. SAD! Oh wait... HAPPY! Oh wait... CONFUSED!; 12/25/17, 7:45 PM
mockturtle said...: I see this thread has degenerated into the usual pas de deux.; 12/25/17, 7:51 PM
FullMoon said...: It is so easy ..." to show what an idiotic douchebag you are. "

Bark puppy bark!
And , don't you dare leave until I give you permission.; 12/25/17, 7:54 PM
FullMoon said...: Toothless, you may retire now.; 12/25/17, 8:07 PM
buwaya said...: The Christmas ham is taking its time...
I always say the oven must be hotter, but my wife has banned me from cooking for the last 21 years. She had to suffer my efforts every pregnancy and she's had enough.

Anyway, re Ritmo -

There isnt much left of "Filipino Folk Religion" that isn't fundamentally Christianity, with remnants of folk magic and animism. The concepts of sin, of salvation, of God, Jesus, etc. are all there. I've had somewhat to do with manghuhulas (witches), and my brother-in-law, hailing from the region by the sacred mount Banahaw, has had much more. Note however that these are Tagalog (ethnic) folkways and can be very different from the style of such things in even other Christian lowland peoples.

There are actual religions specific to particular tribes (not generic "Folk") almost all highlanders, and these are quite diverse. They and their associated folkways are not live-and-let live. Do not, for instance, mess with Ifugao women.

The world is a complicated place. But one thing is sure - church, there, is church, and the culture there works like an iron hand. Inside a very well padded glove, but iron indeed.; 12/25/17, 9:52 PM
Michael K said...: You mean Ritmo is still around doing mental masturbation ?

Nice dinner. Good wine. Home tomorrow and no time for lefty fools.; 12/25/17, 10:30 PM