A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "shit sandwich."— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) February 17, 2017
It's one thing to decide I'm not the man for this job, but if you were really the sort of person who would and should be offered this job, and if you really believed the Administration was so screwed up you couldn't tolerate working there, why would you make the regrettable situation worse by airing that opinion?
I'm genuinely puzzled!
Possible answers: 1. Harward didn't intend for this opinion to become public (but shouldn't a security expert be more rigorous about what is confidential?), 2. No harm in shitting on a shit sandwich (yes there is!), 3. Harward competently formed an opinion on how shitty the Trump administration is and properly exercised independent judgment and decided that the public interest was served by letting us know that the situation was so bad that a man like him would refuse to participate (but what kind of man believes his country is in this much trouble, will not help, and still thinks of himself as a worthy example of a person the Trump administration should have on the team?), 4. Harward is outraged at what happened to Flynn, wants to express that outrage in an especially cutting way, and also doesn't want to operate in a system where he's exposed to what is now a known risk (and this is the answer that makes the most sense to me).
ADDED: I don't know why I didn't throw in "This might be fake news," but I didn't. Many commenters are observing this lapse. I like the way Robin Eatmon put it (combining it with my points ##1 and 3):
If it's not fake news... this episode reflects poorly on Harward. Settle it with your family before the official offer and keep your mouth shut about it. In this day and age there is no one you can trust.
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5. Tapper's source is unreliable. Harward withdrew because he wants private sector money and spend some time with his family.
5. Tapper is full of shit.
"a friend says" "seems chaotic"
And which network sells a narrative that the Admin seems "chaotic"?
thus this tweet is now tautologically supporting the story.
"Admin is chaotic because prospects refuse to join it because it seems chaotic".
Nice work media!
5. Harward doesn't want to be continuously smeared by the media.
Or Harwood was alerted and he knows how dangerous it is to be standing next to Trump many times a day. CNN is not the only team tasked with eliminating Trump before he eliminates them.
Tapper is now reporting anonymously sourced hearsay?
5) Harward's friend is full of shit, Harward never said that.
6) Jake Tapper is full of shit, Harward's friend never said that.
7) Twitter is full of shit, Jake Tapper never said that.
8) Althouse is full of shit, Twitter never said that.
9) Blogger is full of shit, Althouse never said that.
10) Google Chrome is full of shit, Blogger never said that.
11) I'm full of shit.
Whisper down the lane is fun.
We know because sources.
Sounds like a guy with loudmouthed friends.
Seriously, "Journalists" are supposed to use multiple independent anonymous sources to report this kind of thing, and then its newsworthiness must meet a high bar.
The skepticism of CNN is encouraging at least.
Major Network anchor now reporting like a rumor-mill paparazzi blog.
Trump is making this too easy.
Irrespective of what Jake Tapper heard the "TRUTH" is that Haward turned down leading the NSC. No one has done that before. Wake up and smell the coffee Trumpies.
There's a reason. I understand both sides.
but what kind of man believes his country is in this much trouble, will not help, and still thinks of himself as a worthy example of a person the Trump administration should have on the team?
A sane man?
He does say *the offer* is a shit sandwich.
Could mean not enough money, not enough power, not enough control over his staff. Could mean he'd have to keep his mouth shut, which might be hard for a guy who goes around telling friends the job offer is a shit sand which.
Maybe he thought he'd be able to keep side jobs, like Hillary let Huma and Cheryl Mill do.
I have heard that Harward is more establishment but that Mattis wanted him. Maybe Mattis should have gotten better info on him.
Maybe because of the stories that he is establishment oriented, Trump wanted more say in his staff and assistant choices.
This is as much a fail by Mattis.
Is it true, I wonder, that they offered him the job but wouldn't let him pick his own deputy? Maybe he was so insulted that he decided to air that opinion, and if that made the administration look bad so be it.
I'm not one to cheer anything as long as it makes Trump et al. look bad, but if that really was the deal-breaker it's stupid on purpose, and they're better off getting slapped for it than proceeding that way next time round.
And I doubt Mattis is going to last long as Defense Secretary either. At some point his sense of honor and need for order is going to force him to resign.
If you have people like Trump and Bannon running the show, the only honorable thing is to get away from that shitstorm as quickly as you can.
"...but what kind of man believes his country is in this much trouble, will not help, and still thinks of himself as a worthy example of a person the Trump administration should have on the team?"
A patriot who knows that his presence wouldn't be helping his country, it would be helping the Trump regime.
I read another piece that said Harward turned down the job because he wanted to bring his own staff that he could trust with him and Trump would not allow that.
If so, good for Trump. Whoever takes the job is going to have to clean house if necessary. We do not need another agency with a small group of insiders at the top working separately from the agency at large.
Harward withdrew because he wants private sector money and spend some time with his family.
If that was the case, then why was his name floated in the first place? If he never wanted the job it was a huge mistake to put his name out there.
Mattis said yesterday that he doesn't trust the Russians and won't be advocating joining them in any joint military venture in Syria. He mentioned the Russia hacking during the campaign as one of the reasons why they can't be trusted.
Hagar,
"he wanted to bring his own staff that he could trust with him and Trump would not allow that.
"If so, good for Trump. Whoever takes the job is going to have to clean house if necessary."
I see it differently. If you trust the man for the job, you do not decide the composition of his staff for him. If you have to do that, he's not a good pick; if you don't have to, isn't it insulting as hell to do so?
Blogger Unknown Asshole said...
Irrespective of what Jake Tapper heard the "TRUTH" is that Haward turned down leading the NSC.
And you know this how? From Jake tapper et al? Why should we believe him about this or anything else?
No one has done that before.
And you know this how?
John Henry
I'm going with Annie C: Tapper in particular and the MSM in general, is full of shit.
How do we know Harward was even offered the job?
John Henry
Freder
Reince said today Harward accepted subject to the veto of his family. Family vetoed. Too many competing versions of the truth. We will never know the real reason.
David Begley,
"Reince said today Harward accepted subject to the veto of his family."
OK, if true he's a hell of a family man, but this is an odd explanation. Most people who give their family veto power over their career moves would confer with them before accepting the offer. You know, see if they'll veto, and if so, regretfully decline.
"I read another piece that said Harward turned down the job because he wanted to bring his own staff that he could trust with him and Trump would not allow that. If so, good for Trump."
-- If true, I agree, good for Trump. We saw what happened last time we let someone bring their own staff into a National Security position. Do you want secret email servers? That's how you get secret email servers.
Honestly, between firing Flynn and putting his foot down about how he staffs his administration, at least Trump is forcing accountability from people -- even if it is still all kinds of "chaotic."
"And you know this how? From Jake tapper et al? Why should we believe him about this or anything else?"
Yeah, we don't really know anything to be true until it appears on Fox, Drudge, Breitbart, or Alex Jones' daily "the government is turning frogs gay" shoutfest.
"Most people who give their family veto power over their career moves would confer with them before accepting the offer."
-- I'm guessing, if true, it went something like this, informal offer floated, he says, "I'd be up for it, let me ask my family," formal offer comes, he says, "Sorry, family says no," formal offer rejected. This assumes that this is the truth (which we'll probably not know until the tell-all books come out, and even then, this is... so minor no one will care in a day or two.)
Tapper is one of the better journalists. I have no doubt he has a source who tells him this. Whether his source is right, over stating, misquoting, deliberately lying, etc., is the real question.
The funny thing is that the left's adamant desire to hobble the Trump administration has only managed to stop, what, two of his national security picks that--frankly--were relatively good choices, and may serve to poison the well enough for the one almost universally acceptable choice from Trump in Mattis may end up throwing in the towel, while the left has been completely unable to stop the targets they've actually found super objectionable (Sessions, DeVos).
None of the above. I think we dodged a bullet with Harward. If he's this indiscrete, he's not suited for the job.
I'm going with Annie C. on this.
Why should we believe Tapper? What reason do I have to trust him?
Tapper's job is not to report the news. He is a propagandist. A partisan hack for the other side.
Apparently the meme from the MSM is that powerful people denigrating the press is illegitimate because it undermines our democracy.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=snl+isn%27t+that+convienent&&view=detail&mid=6835B51E31D16CFC10716835B51E31D16CFC1071&rvsmid=46D042667448C7CAC87246D042667448C7CAC872&fsscr=0&FORM=VDQVAP
The vetting process is brutal. It could have easily been something completely benign but potentially damaging in his background that killed it. Some loose connection to someone from Iran or UAE, relationships from defense contractors, anything, really. It only takes one balk someone with eyes on within the WH.
Jake Tapper has been corrupted since moving to CNN. He went native.
KAOS.
IF it's not fake news...this episode reflects poorly on Harward. Settle it with your family before the official offer and keep your mouth shut about it. In this day and age there is no one you can trust.
Harward is a warrior with serious ties to the mideast. He is also a straight, no nonsense pragmatist. His talk is colorful but true with nary a nod to politically correct speech. He knows and understands the politics of the clandestine services and undoubtedly they need him where he is benefitting both Trump and the Intel services. He knows what he is talking about.
"Matthew Sablan said...
Tapper is one of the better journalists. I have no doubt he has a source who tells him this. Whether his source is right, over stating, misquoting, deliberately lying, etc., is the real question."
He was. Then he took the big buck anchor position at CNN and immediately went native. Now he's a fuck like them all. Try to find one example of him being a "better journalist" at CNN.
Blogger Nyamujal said...
"And you know this how? From Jake tapper et al? Why should we believe him about this or anything else?"
Yeah, we don't really know anything to be true until it appears on Fox, Drudge, Breitbart, or Alex Jones' daily "the government is turning frogs gay" shoutfest.
Speak for yourself. I would say we don't know it then, either.
Everywhere we turn, we get bullshit.
John Henry
I was hoping for more conversations about 'shit sandwiches'.
Grilled Shit Sandwich.
BLS: Bacon, Lettuce and Shit.
Shit on Rye.
Open-faced Shit Sandwich.
Shit Ciabatta.
Peanut Butter and Shit, or
Shit and Jelly. Either way.
Also:
Subway Shit Foot-Long.
I am Laslo.
"I'm genuinely puzzled!"
Cog Dis.
Althouse has a true genius for comment chumming. We're not just her guests, we're her lab rats as well.
I wonder how many journalists trotted out the "chaos" meme when multiple Obama nominees were crashing and burning in 2009? It would be an interesting comparison.
Perhaps, unable to negotiate what he felt were the necessary freedoms and terms to do the job effectively for the country, he elected to put public pressure on the administration such that the next person considered would be in a better position to do so.
David Graham said ...
Have you ever had a job you loved, but one where you felt like you’d achieved everything you could? So you looked for a new job, went through a fairly grueling application process, if you do say so yourself, got the offer. Then you started the job, and you hated it. Worse, all the tricks you’d learned in your old job seemed to be pretty much useless in the new one. Did you ever have that experience?
The president of the United States can sympathize.
Its Jake Tapper fake news.
"The president of the United States can sympathize."
-- Trump's been on the job for not much time and has accomplished a lot; his major hang ups are staffing and the media hating him. Give him a few years and we can see if his signature policies are as big of failures as privatizing social security, the ACA and the the bail outs.
I understand it was because of staffing conflicts. Harward wanted a clean slate and his own staff. The White House wanted to keep Deputy K.T. McFarland in place. This is just another indication of the power struggle between factions of the of the defense/intelligence/foreign policy complex.
There is a battle underway is the nascent formulation of the Trump doctrine. Factions of the defense/intelligence/foreign policy nexus are girding up for a brutal fight over exactly what that doctrine will entail. Harward a Mattis protege wanted McFarland gone. People close to Trump, or Trump himself, wanted McFarland in place. McFarland has connections back to the Kissinger, Reagan, and Bush.
"In an interview, Peter Feaver, who served in the National Security Council under George W. Bush, described McFarland’s new position as the ultimate policy wonk’s job. “The pace is grueling. But it’s also intellectually incredibly stimulating. Because from 10-11 you’re deciding cyber policy. From 11-12 you’re deciding our stance on the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And then in the afternoon you have a meeting on Iraq. ... So it requires a policy mastery, but also, a capacity to across a wide, wide range of topics.” McFarland will be serving as “the funnel of interagency policy making,” someone who “can go from zero to 100 on an issue very, very, very quickly,” Feaver added. Deputy national security advisors are expected to frame the toughest of policy issues for the president and his principals, boiling down every key question to just a few possible choices for the president to pick from. “If you have a very strong deputy, that makes the national security advisor better.”
The Atlantic
Or the report is unreliable?
The key word is chaotic. Read Scott Adams on that word. That word should set off your bullshit detector.
he elected to put public pressure on the administration such that the next person considered would be in a better position to do so.
I can't imagine Trump responding positively to this.
I know I would not.
This guy was Mattis' choice
Harward a Mattis protege wanted McFarland gone. People close to Trump, or Trump himself, wanted McFarland in place. McFarland has connections back to the Kissinger, Reagan, and Bush.
That makes sense to me. I had forgotten she was there.
Tapper used to be relatively unbiased for an MSM newsperson. That changed over the past 6 months or so - probably got his marching orders from upper management, and didn't have the integrity to tell them no.
Calling yesterday's press conference "unhinged" is a perfect example.
So he has lost his default position of "I trust him"
Nobody knows anything.--William Goldman
I am surprised no one has come up with the feminist angle. Trump is protecting K.T. McFarland, who is the current deputy. Trump wanted a woman in the role, but Harward demanded that he appoint his own deputy, who undoubtedly would not have been a woman.
Trump stands up for a woman, and the fake news media bury the lede! Fake newsies hate women! Trump loves women!
See how easy that was?
Of course, it is possible that he did mean for that to go public. Sometimes retired Admirals/Generals long for the limelight. But at this point I need independent verification of anything Tapper says.
By the way, Jake Tapper has turned out to be as big a sap as the rest of them.
So sad.
"The president of the United States can sympathize."
Really, ARM. Trump really seemed to be enjoying himself at that presser. The reporters, not so much.
The other possible answer is that the "friend" is retailing something that did not happen, i.e. "fake news". This is at least as likely an explanation as any other. Tapper may be fooled and genuinely believe what he said.
"Why do we know why Harward turned down the NSA job?"
I don't think we know why he turned it down. CNN is a joke.
Maybe he read David Brooks' article and agreed, or felt that Bannon would eventually knife him? Key quote:The first conclusion is obvious. This administration is more like a medieval monarchy than a modern nation-state. It’s more “The Madness of King George” than “The Missiles of October.” The key currency is not power, it’s flattery.
The Washington Free Beacon is floating a story that Harward may be a deep state NeverTrumper:
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/democrats-never-trumpers-thrilled-prospect-harward-national-security-adviser/
Admiral Harwood is a seasoned, and by all reports an honorable, USN officer, so I'll go with the option that Jake Tapper, or someone upstream of him in this story, is a liar.
The initial news report I heard (maybe it was Rush) indicated that Harward insisted that he be allowed to bring his compete staff to the NSA and Trump's team balked at that, for reasons I don't recall. Maybe it was too many positions that aren't normally named by someone named to the NSC. But that was the dealbreaker as I heard it.
R/V you need to start reading adult literature.
Why do lefties live in such a fantasy world?
I guess it is normal for academics anymore to be in a state of delusion.
At least those in non-STEM fields.
The media, long sacrosanct, feel disrespected by Trump. And they are all-out to bring him down showing that they wield the power, after all.
"Trump's been on the job for not much time and has accomplished a lot...."
Really? What has he accomplished? He has issued a few executive orders, the most prominent of which is being challenged in the courts. What else?
That Free Beacon story tracks with what I have heard.
This includes several former Obama administration officials such as Tommy Vietor, who served as the NSC’s spokesman under Obama.
Vietor is an idiot. "Like Dude, Benghazi was two years ago".
It's a favorite military cafeteria dish, usually served on a shingle.
It's regional cuisine. The west coast prefers foreskins on toast.
My dad loved "shit on a shingle," (chipped beef on toast). I think he first ate it during his two year Navy hitch.
Laslo left out the ever-popular Phillie Cheese-Shit Sandwich.
Tapper's tweet can be part of Althouse's noting the "tone" comment yesterday by POTUS. It is now clear that the MSM is leading the resistance against Trump. That's why we question every thing. The MSM is the opposition and an adversary. Truth is optional.
He may just regard the position of National Security Advisor itself as a shit sandwhich, regardless of whose administration. Certain jobs in the Navy, like classified materials custodian, are pretty much always looked at as accidents waiting to happen.
Actually, to be precise, "shit on a shingle" is creamed chipped beef on toast.
A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of mine told me that i would win the lottery today. I take that as Gospel. Don't you?
My vote would be that Tapper mangled the quote.
Either out of context or not said at all.
Tapper used to be objective but has turned into someone reporting "what I heard". Gossip, as we all learn, usually turns out to be wrong or distorted for effect. Once the major media outlets turned themselves into gossip columns, the news became "fake".
There could never be any other outcome.
"What has he accomplished? He has issued a few executive orders, the most prominent of which is being challenged in the courts. What else?"
-- I didn't say that he accomplished things people would like, just that he has done a lot. I don't like some of what he's done, but to claim he's completely out of his element and floundering unable to do things like he's being accused of is wrong.
He's making some good, some bad, some "we'll have to see" decisions/actions.
Ann Isn't there something in law about the admissibility of evidence passed on from another? Hearsay? Is that it?
GOod for Harward. Trump is a lying sack of shit!
Michael last time I checked David Brooks was an adult who lives in Wash D.C and is part of the Republican inner circle. After watching Trump say his administration ran like a fine tuned machine, I wonder who is more delusional Trump or Brooks?
It's pretty clear that a fairly large percentage of opinion makers in this America desire a trump failure far more than any possible good outcome. Who knows? Maybe they'll get their way. The lengths to which they're willing to go remain to be seen. I'm not certain how much of their won nose they're willing to cut off.
if your family is going to be harassed and insulted everytime they step in a Starbucks, or go to their pilates class, then I subscribe to the family veto theory. Proves the "resistance" shit is actually working by poisoning the environment. People need to grow up.
David Brooks is part of the Republican inner circle?! lol
Who ordered the Poo Poo Platter?
I suspect there will be a shit load of shit jokes over the next few days.
" is part of the Republican inner circle. After watching Trump say his administration ran like a fine tuned machine, I wonder who is more delusional Trump or Brooks?"
Brooks is the tame "conservative" at NY Times.
Trump ran against the GOP "inner circle."
And won.
I don;t blame you for being mislead. I have a very intelligent daughter who is also a lefty. Her mother asked her a week or so ago, what she thought would happen with Trump. God, bad neutral ?
She said "He'll be impeached."
I assume you agree with her and Maxine Waters.
Delusional.
Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another you've been puttin Trump down.
roesch/voltaire,
"After watching Trump say his administration ran like a fine tuned machine, I wonder who is more delusional Trump or Brooks?"
After reading Brooks's characterization of the Obama presidency as "remarkably scandal-free," I'm going to go with Brooks.
even then, this is... so minor no one will care in a day or two
I guess I'm ahead of the curve.
If the K. T. McFarland business is true it is just one more example of Trump choosing good people to work for him and sticking by them until they prove him right or wrong. That is a pretty good indicator of his management skill.
To not allow Harwood to bring his own staff is absolutely the right decision. The NSC needs a variety of talents, experience and opinion. A service staff is too used to acceding to the top dog. McArthur's "Bataan Gang" is, perhaps, history's prime example of the trait.
"I don;t blame you for being mislead."
Says a Trumpist, oh the irony!
She said "He'll be impeached."
Did she offer any sort of explanation of the mechanics of how this will happen?
'He'll be impeached' feels rather Underpants Gnomey.
High Crimes and misdemeanors will still get even a Republican president impeached by a Republican Congress.
Bubba didn't leave. The precedent has been set.
Tapper meant to say CNN is shit piled higher and deeper.
As for the Admiral, never trust an old man who shaves and polishes his head every few hours.
Actually, to be precise, "shit on a shingle" is creamed chipped beef on toast.
Remember when the final episode of MASH aired? A lot of bars broadcast it, and served SOS as a dish that day.
...where high crimes and misdemeanors is the Phase 2: ? Section of the Underpants Gnome strategy.
khesanh0802: If the K. T. McFarland business is true it is just one more example of Trump choosing good people to work for him and sticking by them until they prove him right or wrong. That is a pretty good indicator of his management skill.
To not allow Harwood to bring his own staff is absolutely the right decision. The NSC needs a variety of talents, experience and opinion. A service staff is too used to acceding to the top dog. McArthur's "Bataan Gang" is, perhaps, history's prime example of the trait.
Between this and the Tommy Vietor news, I can understand why Trump didn't agree to Harward's terms. It would be nice if at least one MSM-DNC outlet would provide a little balance and at least reference this "my team or else" ultimatum from Harward. Actuial reporting would be ideal, but that's no longer the world we live in.
Blogger SockPuppet#55 said...
High Crimes and misdemeanors will still get even a Republican president impeached by a Republican Congress.
Sure, if there were any. Maybe. Then President Mike Pence. Impeach him for something. Then President Ryan. Impeach him. They President Tillerson. Impeach him.
And so on down the list.
Doesn't matter how far down you go, they are all Trump appointees and Crooked Hillary is nowhere on the list.
A special election once 5-6 serial impeachments have taken place? In Which crooked Hilary gets elected?
Sally Kohn seems to think that might happen. Even though the Constitution does not allow special elections.
Perhaps SP55 is this deluded as well.
John Henry
Oh no.
CNN: Picture of Steve Bannon's secret Russian handlers:
http://tinyurl.com/zdjqcjc
We should campaign for Condi to take the job! Not only has the experience but is fluent in Russian. That would be grist for the media mill!
Andrew Solomon must know Inga's and sunsong:
"Some things you just need to accept your leftist friends are already gone. No, I don't mean the Rapture or dead. I mean mentally. Gone. Vacant stares. They are out-of-their-minds lost already, as if they were getting ready to castrate themselves to catch a ride on the Hale-Bopp comet. They shout low-information clichés like "impeach" and "treason." They are the smelly trolls on social media and dumb as doorstops.
They don't even realize how insanely difficult it is to prove treason. The bar is so high that it is nearly impossible. But the left are worse drama queens than barstool drunks drooling into their bloody Marys.
And impeachment? Big deal. You're not going to get the two-thirds majority required from the Senate. Not gonna happen. Don't let that stop the left's precious fantasy, however. "
LOL!
To not allow Harwood to bring his own staff is absolutely the right decision...
Speaking of 'Harwood', leftie CNBC Washington Correspondent John Harwood has disappeared from the network, though he's still listed as a correspondent. Eamon Javers has taken his place, with no on air discussion of Harwood's return.
Sorry, I don't trust 2nd hand hearsay from Fakenews CNN.
Sad truth, is that the MSM is so unreliable that any "unnamed source" criticizing the Trump administration, or pushing the MSM narrative, must be considered fake until proven otherwise.
If Hayward didn't turn down job for $$$ reasons, he probably did so because he couldn't bring his own staff.
I don't think I'd take a leadership job, if I couldn't choose my own people. You need loyal, trusted, and competent subordinates or there's trouble ahead.
In defense of Brooks, outside of the Benghazi first report, and the culling of AP phone records, much of the so-called scandals have been exaggerations. For example the IRS scandal was more a bureaucratic scandal than political, and both liberals and conservatives were targets, although conservatives more so because more conservative groups were seeking tax exemption. And just because Trump ran against Brooks and his friends, doesn't mean that Brooks doesn't know what is going on in the W.H.
Unknown"
"classified materials custodian" - what a pain-in-the-ass that was!
Blogger SockPuppet#55 said...
"High Crimes and misdemeanors will still get even a Republican president impeached by a Republican Congress."
Obama emailed classified information to Hillary's non secure server. That is an example of a high crime and misdemeanor. Obama still didn't get impeached.
She said "He'll be impeached."
Did she offer any sort of explanation of the mechanics of how this will happen?
No, I think she assumes that it will just happen. She is very bright and is in the middle of being recruited by Apple.
She lives in Santa Monica and those people live in a bubble. If she goes to Apple, the bubble will just be thicker.
For example the IRS scandal was more a bureaucratic scandal than political, and both liberals and conservatives were targets, although conservatives more so because more conservative groups were seeking tax exemption.
This is simply not true. I assume you get your information from leftist sources that were determined to protect Obama because he is....
THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT.
Maybe Sessions will pry open that can of crap and expose the truth.
roesch/voltaire said...
For example the IRS scandal was more a bureaucratic scandal than political, and both liberals and conservatives were targets, although conservatives more so because more conservative groups were seeking tax exemption.
This is the problem with the left today. If the roles were reversed the people on the right would have fixed this problem. It is clearly obvious that only a republican/conservative can be held accountable for wrongdoing. This is because RV can't even admit his side has a problem and blatantly as well as knowingly lies about the issue.
The left is morally bankrupt and the only thing that props it up is a will to power.
Must likely fake news. No named sources = fake
It would not be President Trump's administration that he would battle with. He would have to ferret out the people in his own agency actively working to undermine Howard's leadership.
Or he truly does not want to pickup the fight. Really wants to spend time watching his grandkids grow up. That's where I'm at. Walking away because to do my job at level I demand of myself, is all consuming.
Actually, to be precise, "shit on a shingle" is creamed chipped beef on toast.
That's the fancy version.....sos is usually made with left over ground beef......
"If it's not fake news... this episode reflects poorly on Harward. Settle it with your family before the official offer and keep your mouth shut about it. In this day and age there is no one you can trust."
Wouldn't it have been smarter to have had Harward's answer before announcing they asked him to do the job?
"sos is usually made with left over ground beef......"
When I had it in the AF it was chipped beef but maybe the AF gets the gourmet version.
When I did my military service back in the Pleistocene we had fun comparing the official menu posted by the messhall entrance to what we were actually served.
Conspicuously, items that could be readily sold on the European black markets, such as mixed fruit desserts, etc., were usually missing.
“you know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons, and other things, like lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad things.”
~ Donald Trump
How old is this guy? 12?
"If it's not fake news... this episode reflects poorly on Harward. Settle it with your family before the official offer and keep your mouth shut about it. In this day and age there is no one you can trust."
Ridiculous. For any high-level position, you "close the deal" before the person has a chance to reject it publicly. If the person rejects the job then you contain the fall-out by making sure they don't say so publicly. Just another sign of chaos and incompetance.
Btw, When journalists from FoxNews and WSJ are turning against Trump then you're losing.
or He couldn't install his team, didn't think he would have appropriate control, and as a result, did not think he would be effective.
Never take a job where you are not given the power to do that job effectively. There's no point in taking the job, because it will end badly.
Harward isn't anyone's poodle, unlike Trump.
Btw, When journalists from FoxNews and WSJ are turning against Trump then you're losing.
2/17/17, 11:22 AM
The WSJ news staff has always been more left wing than their editorial. FoxNews is not monolithically right wing - only ignorant leftists believe that.
But KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!!!
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I am now reading some comments elsewhere that Flynn is not "gone" but has"gone dark."
His clearances have either been maintained or will be restored. He has many contacts. I could see him working for Trump off the radar.
FWIW: He did nothing wrong therefore all that happened is he was simply “read out” he still has his clearance it is just not active. I have been in intel for over 23 years and had total control over clearances believe me his EPSQ/sf86 is just fine he broke no laws that would cause him to lose it. The leaks on the other hand should be pissing in their pants they can go to jail without a trial for leaking classified materiel most people do not know that.
Maybe Trump needs a few people out of the public eye working on things.
Unknown: "Ridiculous. For any high-level position, you "close the deal" before the person has a chance to reject it publicly. If the person rejects the job then you contain the fall-out by making sure they don't say so publicly. Just another sign of chaos and incompetance.
Btw, When journalists from FoxNews and WSJ are turning against Trump then you're losing"
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ALL IS LOST!!!eleventy!
BTW, in REAL news, there are reports that John Boltons mustache is descending upon Manhattan!!
It was always chipped beef in the military because the dried beef was easy to store.
It was always chipped beef in the military because the dried beef was easy to store.
That was my recollection.
Drago, troll feeding is a waste of good time. Sometimes fun, though. Like bulls, they will always charge a red cloth.
A US president completely unsuited. Pathetic.
"That unfortunately sounds like…bowing to the reality of a president with a short attention span and little ability to deal with ambiguities," says former CIA official Paul Pillar."
"Keep it short and free of nuance"
A US president completely unsuited. Pathetic.
Aren't you lucky that you get to say that without being called racist.
The leftists continue to bark but the caravan moves on.
Or perhaps I should say that the Trump train rolls right over them.
In the meantime, Hillary spoke at a ceremony dedicating a postage stamp to Oscar de la Renta.
I think it's nice that she's keeping herself occupied.
All senior military officers want to be able to select their own staffs. I can't think of any senior military officer who would want to subject themselves to the kind of thing that happened to Gen. Flynn. The latter is the real sh*t sandwich.
I can't think of any senior military officer who would want to subject themselves to the kind of thing that happened to Gen. Flynn.
That had nothing to do with staff. The NSC is not another military command.
I think they were concerned about Harwood's history but were trying to accommodate Mattis.
Maybe Bolton would take it.
Harwood $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Lockheed Martin.
Harward says the raesons for declining were "purely personal." Jake Tapper, citing thd anonymous leftmedia ghost army says it was because the WH is a "shit sandwich."
Muslims say, "Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to infidels! The leftmedia, citing the ghost army, says, "Islam is a religion of peace."
Never mind what the parties say. The truth can only be known after it is filtered through the ghost army of the mediaswine.
In this case, Tapper was on the phone, busily soliciting Harward's friends to find someone to make a liar of him. He wasn't? The ghost called him to volunteer the information? Really? Why would someone do that? Lol.
Transparent, thy name is CNN.
"“you know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons, and other things, like lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad things.”
~ Donald Trump
How old is this guy? 12?"
Good Lord, you don't know condescension when you hear it? Which surprises me. Wait...maybe not.
Trump tweets a few minutes ago:
"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"
The enemy of the American People? Well, to the Trumpies only and they are not the majority.
The enemy of the American People?
Clearly they are. The people elected Trump and they are trying to unelect him with fake news and character assassinations.
That list of EnemyMedia is out to disappear the American Middle class and replace us with Hispanic EuroSerfs and Sunni Muslims. But DJT is our Champion to teach them a hard lesson. And no one can stop us, unless they shoot him, and then we will rally behind Pence.
After reading Brooks's characterization of the Obama presidency as "remarkably scandal-free," I'm going to go with Brooks.
I had forgotten about that.
Brooks isn't a conservative in any way that I recognize. He's a Republican, but that's not the same thing.
"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"
Very Putinesque. Or like that other Russian dictator who took his shoe off and pounded the podium while yelling "I will destroy you!"
Trolls are contaminating the thread.
Good night.
Yes Michael, so stop trolling.
Look at it from a CEO perspective; s/he thinks of hiring a high power VP, but asks that the VP answer to some assistant, to see where this new VPs loyalties lie. Harward's loyalties apparently weren't with the administration, which is nice to know now, rather than later (ala Flynn.)
SockPuppet#55 said...Very Putinesque. Or like that other Russian dictator who took his shoe off and pounded the podium while yelling 'I will destroy you!.'
That was Nikita Khrushchev and he didn't say "I will destroy you!"; rather, he said "We will Barry you." And they did.
I'm wondering why he was offered the job in the first place and publicly to boot. Surely he must have indicated his disinterest during the preliminary stages.
Perhaps considering the intelligence community's vendetta, the position of national security advisor is a shit sandwich. I hold Trump responsible for this situation. Hopefully he'll learn, sooner than later, that there are some undertakings that require discretion and tact and should be handled entre nous instead of on Twitter. Which is not to say this particular swamp isn't badly in need of draining.
I know why you didn't consider the chance it was fake. Cruel neutrality.
traditionalguy said...
That list of EnemyMedia is out to disappear the American Middle class and replace us with Hispanic EuroSerfs and Sunni Muslims. But DJT is our Champion to teach them a hard lesson. And no one can stop us, unless they shoot him, and then we will rally behind Pence.
Rally behind Pence? You think he is going to be leading? He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that would burn DC to the ground and string up any Deep State bureaucrats that were too stupid to escape.
SockPuppet#55 said...
A US president completely unsuited. Pathetic.
If you like your plan you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor you can keep you doctor. Your insurance rates will go down by $2500.
But the left appreciates it when their leadership lies to them. Gruber tells the truth about democrat voters
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” said Gruber. “Basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”
Unsuited indeed says Ben Rhodes
It only works because democrat voters are such fucking idiots.
David Begley said, ".....Too many competing versions of the truth. We will never know the real reason....." Could be! But the real issue - who cares? In several weeks, President Trump will have his NSC head and a year from now no one will care about Flynn or who is Flynn's successor. The only thing I liked about Tapper's source (if it's true) is the "shit sandwich" comment. That's exactly what all this speculation is about, a big "shit sandwich" which amounts to hogwash.
David Begley said, ".....Too many competing versions of the truth. We will never know the real reason....." Could be! But the real issue - who cares? In several weeks, President Trump will have his NSC head and a year from now no one will care about Flynn or who is Flynn's successor. The only thing I liked about Tapper's source (if it's true) is the "sh*t sandwich" comment. That's exactly what all this speculation is about, a big "sh*t sandwich" which amounts to hogwash.
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