November 8, 2016
"Whoa."/"Ooh."/"Well, that's a bitch."
Voices of MSNBC panelists heard reacting to the announcement, just now, that Donald Trump has won North Carolina.
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227 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 227 of 227Kristian: "I dunno, I think Scott Walker, running apologetically like Trump, rather than the roll over and show your belly like the 'Republican' campaign consultants teach may have had a chance."
This opinion would be more credible had Walker not hired inside the beltway types who immediately had him alter his message.
Correction:
2016 ~ Hillary = 59,137,478 /// Trump = 59,025,041 so far as the totals will increase slightly in the next few days.
btw, looks like Hillary will have more votes than Trump ~ as the irony continues.
Well I didn't expect this election result. I voted for neither. On a more local matter, we finally ousted Sheriff Joe.
Blogger shiloh said...
Correction:
2016 ~ Hillary = 59,137,478 /// Trump = 59,025,041 so far as the totals will increase slightly in the next few days.
%btw, looks like Hillary will have more votes than Trump ~ as the irony continues.
What will be really interesting is when the voter rolls are cleaned up and illegal aliens are not allowed to vote in California and New York and the rest of the country.
My blurry-eyed snap analysis is that there were two components to Trump's appeal, one economic and one cultural. On the economic side, riding the strong populist wave that has been rising across the Western world recently. Sanders tried that also, but the Democrats' PTB snuffed it right out (the Republicans' PTB tried, but failed, to do the same to Trump). On the cultural side, offering a clear alternative to the Democrats' continual attempts to shame white people, particularly men, for the crime of being white (and male). Previous Republican candidates have always been too mealy-mouthed about this, I guess for fear of scaring off the elusive Latino.
We have the electoral college so that smaller voices in smaller states count. I know hat upsets you, Shiloh.
Keep hope alive!
I see Trump eeked out New Hampshire over night.
Robert Cook: Trump, in the interim, will face the possibility of letting down his supporters, when he cannot magically "make America great again" and deliver to them that which he promised and they believed he will deliver.
Possibility? It's a certainty that true believers among voters will always be let down - no pol can accomplish the package that's promised in a campaign. At best one can hope that one's choice actually wants to accomplish what the voter wants accomplished, and exhibits some competence in working toward that goal. (You know, instead of getting elected and then gleefully flipping off your constituency, the Republican way.)
So, the Republicans now have the House, the Senate, and the presidency. If nothing else, I'm looking forward to the novel excuses they're going to come up with for why they're still powerless to do anything but roll over for whatever the Dems want.
(OK, I admit to indulging in idle fantasies about other sweet possibilities - say, that somewhere out there right now there's a shiv with Paul Ryan's name on it being sharpened. But not being a true believer, I keep my fantasies and my real world evaluations separate.)
Robert Cook said...
Trump's victory is a stark repudiation of not just Clinton, but of Obama, and of the Democrats' game of promising to help "the people" then governing as Republicans-lite, and acting as caretakers for the properties and prerogatives of the financial elites
Perhaps next time around, the Dems will actually put forth a truly progressive, left-leaning candidate, one who, like Trump, might convince voters he or she will not carry on Beltway business as usual.
I agree that the current Dem coalition is unsustainable but I think this is pie in the sky thinking. Populism can be a left wing phenomena in the US, as shown by FDR, but that is a long, long time ago under extreme circumstances. Since then populism has generally worked for the right rather than the left. I agree with shilol, Clinton suppressed the Dem vote, because of the baggage carried by her and her husband. A better candidate, i.e. almost anyone else, would probably have won, given how close the popular vote has been.
It has taken a long time but the appalling Clinton legacy is now finally dead and repudiated. Once they get past their grieving the Dems will recognize this as a good thing. Trump has been good for both parties in allowing them to hack away at all the dead wood and begin to move towards policies somewhat more in line the country's actual problems.
If we got rid of the electoral college - new York and California would pick our leaders.
Screw that.
CA alone will put the Hollywood-adored criminal over the top with the popular vote.
AprilApple: We have the electoral college so that smaller voices in smaller states count. I know hat upsets you, Shiloh.
The electoral vote is there to check the destructive tendencies of the populist-demagogue-seduced rabble. That is, when the right guy wins the electoral vote but the wrong guy wins the popular vote. If the wrong guy wins the electoral vote and the right guy the popular, the electoral college is an antiquated construct thwarting the will of the noble demos.
Better candidates on both sides could have rendered a different outcome.
ObamaCare's lies are coming home to roost. The working middle class are sick of being called racists -- all while their jobs are replaced with illegals.
Philadelphia Inquirer columnist blaming uneducated white men:
It appeared that uneducated white male voters were about to have their way. Instead of putting someone into office who was eminently qualified and just happened to be a woman, they went for a reality-TV star as their commander-in-chief. What did they think this was, a video game?
Shame on them.
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/jenice_armstrong/20161109_Armstrong__Shame_on__deplorables__who_supported_Donald_Trump.html
Shame on 'deplorables' who supported Donald Trump
lemondog: Philadelphia Inquirer columnist blaming uneducated white men:
"It appeared that uneducated white male voters were about to have their way..."
Putting aside that educated white men also went for Trump (in fact, all whites except for a subset of white women went for Trump)...
Ever notice how only whites can be "uneducated", or ignorant (or even low IQ) when it comes to analyzing votes? How the votes of comparably uneducated and demonstrably ignorant minority voters are never examined in that light?
"Cook - ObamaCare isn't 'Republican lite.'"
Sure it is...it is exactly that. It was modeled on Romneycare in Massachusetts, which was based on a model proposed by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation. It uses government coercion to compel private citizens buy insurance from private providers. It's the capitalists' dream!
If Hillary still gets $500K for a speech, then we must concede that she has special, valuable insight to share with Wall Street.
If she doesn't, can we finally start calling them bribes?
They were trying to buy influence. They should ask for a refund this morning.
Shiloh will, once again, be proven wrong by Trump. Trump will not be reckless and he will be much less divisive than Obama has been. He will prove to be surprisingly likable. If you look behind all the campaign bullshit you find that those who know him think he's a good guy. His fight with the Palm Beach mucky-mucks to allow Blacks and Jews in his golf club speaks volumes for what really makes him tick.
Trump's plan to build a new White House is probably a mistake.
Funny. Or maybe Trump’s decorator being ordered to dress up the Whitehouse’s columns, trim and maybe the fucking furniture with gold leaf. Good taste is a trait Trump ain’t got. Even a staunch pro-Trumper like myself can admit that. On the other hand, his suits are terrific and disguise his corpulence well. If he’s a mere 230 I’m a monkey’s uncle.
And his wife makes the arm-muscular Ms. Obama look like a Denver Bronco cornerback. The fashion mags must be drooling over Melania and the rest of the tribe. The check-out line tabloids are going to be endless images of various members of the Trump family. Barron is a teen heart-throb if I ever saw one. He could take acting lessons if he got bored with being a billionaire American President’s son. During Dad’s acceptance speech he was a little fidgety and looked like he had to piss.
This Trump administration is fun already. It’s going to be the best reality show that America has ever tuned in to.
My hope: Ted Cruz as SCOTUS nominee, where he'd be an inspired choice.
Exactly. I would love to see Cruz on the court.
shiloh said...
"Trump's victory is a stark repudiation of not just Clinton, but of Obama, and of the Democrats' game of promising to help "the people" then governing as Republicans-lite, and acting as caretakers for the properties and prerogatives of the financial elites."
Bullshit! ~ Many voters, mostly Dems, stayed home:
Staying home is a repudiation in itself. The Dems who stayed home did not like Clinton enough, or dislike Trump enough, to vote.
I am from North Carolina, born and raised, but have long thought it a silly place. Thanks, state of my birth, for repairing my opinion of you.
When in 2012 Obama, much to my surprise, won his second term, I made a $100 bet with my wife that Hillary would be the next president. I did so in the fully cynical assumption that the US was absolutely beyond redemption, in the hands of corrupt government and corrupt business and corrupt culture.
It is with great pleasure that today I have to go to the bank and get a nice crisp $100 bill to pay my wife her winnings.
Maybe, if I am humble enough about it, she will use it to take us both out to eat somewhere nice.
I was a bit over the top last night. I've deleted a few of my more profane comments.
That was eight years of built-up schadenfreude erupting. It felt good.
"When in 2012 Obama, much to my surprise, won his second term, I made a $100 bet with my wife that Hillary would be the next president. I did so in the fully cynical assumption that the US was absolutely beyond redemption, in the hands of corrupt government and corrupt business and corrupt culture."
Oh, Trump's victory does nothing to repudiate your assumption, which was realistic and not at all cynical.
Kristian: "I dunno, I think Scott Walker, running apologetically like Trump, rather than the roll over and show your belly like the 'Republican' campaign consultants teach may have had a chance."
This opinion would be more credible had Walker not hired inside the beltway types who immediately had him alter his message.
That was my point. Trump did hire people to help with messaging, but he never dropped being who he was. Tempering bombast is one thing, changing to be accepted by the cool kids in D.C. is quite another;. Hopefully some of the younger conservative leaders learn THAT lesson from Trump's success.
AprilApple: We have the electoral college so that smaller voices in smaller states count. I know hat upsets you, Shiloh.
The electoral vote is there to check the destructive tendencies of the populist-demagogue-seduced rabble.
It also prevented the need nationwide recounts. THAT would be nightmarish (and in past time, logistically challenging).
I was watching Wolf and the gang last night watching Blitizer doing a nonsense thing at their highlight board with whomever was operating it, when Dana Bash said something to him in his earpiece. He got this "I've been shot" look on his face and whirled around to tell the world that Bash "had something." She put Wolf off and said she needed to confirm what she had and Wolfe half-heartedly went back to the previous discussion but everyone, including The Blitzer, seemed to have lost interest. A minute of so later, Wolf whirled again to face Dana Bash and she promptly dumped the news that Hillary, who had left the Javits Center earlier without giving a concession speech, had called Trump to concede that she had lost.
I immediately jumped over to Fox News to find out what they were saying - only to find that they had pounced to announce that they were putting the State of Pennsylvania into the Trump column. I guess they had to scoop the PA results before telling the world that Clinton had jumped the shark.
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