Althouse: "I knew that they wouldn't do anything... University of North Dakota as a black student who already suffered racism in our campus..."

৭ অক্টোবর, ২০১৬

"I knew that they wouldn't do anything... University of North Dakota as a black student who already suffered racism in our campus..."

"... I want to say thanks. I'm ashamed to be part of UND. Thank you to treat us as nothing."

৪৯টি মন্তব্য:

Amadeus 48 বলেছেন...: The "Black Lives Matters" girls are clearly wearing a mud-pack treatment. A lot of the potential offense in that pic depends on how reverent you are towards the BLM movement, which is certainly open to criticism. The "lock out" girls are more offensive.
Does anyone doubt that 18 year olds are callow?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:১৭ AM
damikesc বলেছেন...: Why would they do anything that wasn't involving the school?

I love this thought process "Harassment (in one case physical) is not free speech". Funny, I see tons of Progs harassing conservative speakers and students in libraries. I'm betting that nonsense is different. Somehow.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:১৯ AM
Jason বলেছেন...: Liberty: HOW DUZ IT WURK?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:২৪ AM
W.B. Picklesworth বলেছেন...: I'm surprised the school didn't give in (yet) to cultural pressure. We'll see how they do as the wailing gets louder.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:২৫ AM
zipity বলেছেন...: Finally, a University administrator who was able to locate his spine.

Suck it up snowflake buttercups...; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:২৭ AM
Sam L. বলেছেন...: It takes sturdy folks to live in ND. This student is not one of them.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩২ AM
damikesc বলেছেন...: I hope they post MORE "racist" stuff. It's still far less racist than huge parts of black culture. Snowflakes gotta grow the hell up.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩৪ AM
Lyssa বলেছেন...: I didn't understand the context of the "locked the black b out" one. Where did they lock her out of? Somewhere she had a right to be? If so, that certainly seems actionable. But it's unclear exactly what is supposed to have happened there.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩৫ AM
Jeff বলেছেন...: If the offended black student knows the names of the students he was offended by, he can publicize them. Future Google searches of those students' names will then turn up the allegedly offensive incident, and whoever is doing the searching can decide whether or not the information is significant. No need to get the University involved at all, and far more effective in deterring such conduct if it is in fact offensive.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩৬ AM
Martin বলেছেন...: Kudos to UND for not caving in to pressure. BUT it would not hurt to call those students in and tell them that their behavior is offensive not just to snowflakes but to "ordinary" people, and that they are making enemies, and the Internet is forever and they really ought to think twice before being such jerks. This kind of thing will come back to haunt them.

While they didn't do anything meriting discipline, they are stupid and boorish and ought to be told as much. How will they grow up if nobody points out what being grown up means?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩৭ AM
Ron Winkleheimer বলেছেন...: Wait a minute, didn't something similar happen a few months ago? Some girls with mud packs on putting a picture on twitter or and it getting decried as racist?

Well, I tried a bing search and it appears that this isn't even all that rare. I'm pretty shocked.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৩৯ AM
jaydub বলেছেন...: Merriam-Webster's definition of racism:

1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

2. racial prejudice or discrimination.

What those girls did might have been harrassment, but it doesn't fit the definition of racism. Every ugly interaction between people of different races is not racism. BTW, is the Ku Klux Klan more inherently racist than the BLM movement? If so, how?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৪৫ AM
sane_voter বলেছেন...: Hey, MSM, keep searching seaching high and low for articles to fit the whites are racist narrative. The election is only a month away, and time's a wastin'.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৪৬ AM
n.n বলেছেন...: [Class] diversity.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৪৯ AM
Bob Boyd বলেছেন...: I'd bet alcohol was a factor.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৫০ AM
Jake বলেছেন...: I bet the "lock out" picture is a hoax. I believe those girls took that picture, but the phone owner then used that picture to post the words as written on snap chat herself. I can't prove it thought. Just seems that those girls would have to be three of the dumbest people ever to out themselves as racists in that way. Highly unlikely to me.

Of course, maybe they are, in which case, fuck them. That said, the University can't punish them for their speech.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১১:৫৩ AM
Michael বলেছেন...: Martin

But what you are suggesting would be judgmental.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:০৫ PM
Michael K বলেছেন...: I warned my youngest daughter about putting stuff on facebook that might come back to bite her when she is looking for a job after graduation. These kids need a similar warning. The "Racism" stuff is just bias as much worse is done to white people by blacks with social approval. "Whiteness Studies" for example. A "Whiteness Studies" book was a textbook for a class at U of Arizona a few years ago when my daughter was there.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:০৯ PM
MadisonMan বলেছেন...: From the Article: You have chosen to justify the acts of some of your students using the excuse of freedom of speech

(I added the emphasis).

Squashing Free Speech by a Government Entity -- like a University -- is as un-American as you can get.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:০৯ PM
buwaya বলেছেন...: Too many people are going to college.
This, unlike most other US problems, is fairly easy to fix.
It may be politically unpopular, but it would have many excellent effects, not least in gutting the left.
No personal student loans or student aid or scholarships, or Federal subsidies of any sort for any university that does not establish a minimum of a 600/600 SAT for admission. No exceptions.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:১১ PM
Michael বলেছেন...: The quoted writer requires remedial English.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:১৩ PM
Ann Althouse বলেছেন...: I thought I had blogged about this case before, but it turns out I'd written about a similar incident at UW-Whitewater.

For those who say it's obviously a facial mask, consider that it's a separate step to take a photo and to put it on line, and it's a separate consideration whether any posing or words can be understood to be saying something about black people. If they are trying to say something racial, there's still a question what that is. Another matter entirely is what the university should do about that and which university actions violate free speech.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:১৬ PM
Oclarki বলেছেন...: I thought Snapchats deleted themselves?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:১৮ PM
Sal বলেছেন...: The white students are satirizing a racist hate group. That should be encouraged on campus.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৩৫ PM
Richard Dolan বলেছেন...: "it's a separate consideration whether any posing or words can be understood to be saying something about black people. If they are trying to say something racial, there's still a question what that is."

True enough, particularly that "can be understood to be" part. Perhaps more candid to say "most assuredly will be understood to be, whether intended or not". Most people know that "saying something about black people" is a topic best avoided altogether, since honesty and candor by any participant (pro or con BLM especially) is bound to generate offense. It is a bit ironic that an embarrassed silence, a hardening of attitudes and deepened divisions are the end results of all the aggressiveness in pushing the BLM agenda. Way to go, guys. Cui bono?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৩৬ PM
Dust Bunny Queen বলেছেন...: They are wearing mud pack type facial masks.

Blackheads Matter.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৪৩ PM
Oso Negro বলেছেন...: If the cosseted negroes of the United States and their politically correct enablers thought that there was never going to be a backlash against the excessive whining for grievances real or perceived.......; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৪৫ PM
Oso Negro বলেছেন...: Black people can never be free and equal until their sorry asses can be mocked like ANYONE else.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৪৮ PM
HoodlumDoodlum বলেছেন...: Ann Althouse said...For those who say it's obviously a facial mask, consider that it's a separate step to take a photo and to put it on line, and it's a separate consideration whether any posing or words can be understood to be saying something about black people. If they are trying to say something racial, there's still a question what that is

Oh it's pretty obvious that this situation is one of intentional expression while that previous situation was one of a really ridiculous interpretation of a picture--an interpretation that could only come about by assuming the worst about the women who took the picture (and as such begging the question as to their racism/racial intent).; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৫০ PM
David53 বলেছেন...: Jay,

The dictionary definition of racism has no value. Pretty much if you are of white Anglo-Saxon stock you are a racist, you may be a recovering racist, but like a recovering alcoholic will always be an alcoholic, you will always be a racist. The word no longer elicits the significant emotional response in me that it did in the 60s and 70s.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১২:৫৩ PM
William বলেছেন...: It's in bad taste, but closer to a mud pack than a racial caricature. I see nothing wrong in criticizing the students, but it's not a disciplinary offense. The BLM people have performed acts far more offensive and threatening than this lame joke. Why is blocking highways and chanting for the murder of police considered the exercise of free speech and this thingamabob is hate speech? I see a double standard, and so will lots of other people. Go tsk, tsk and let the matter rest.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:১০ PM
hombre বলেছেন...: Lockout, physical harrassment, "fighting words" unacceptable.

The rest: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me" even if I am a person of color or a matriculated snowflake.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:১১ PM
Virgil Hilts বলেছেন...: More problematic is that sites like Amazon continue to sell mud pack items using the same types of completely offensive photos. They should have learned a lesson after trying to sell insensitive merchandise (such as history books) depicting stuff like swastikas or the confederate stars and bars.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৩৬ PM
damikesc বলেছেন...: Kudos to UND for not caving in to pressure. BUT it would not hurt to call those students in and tell them that their behavior is offensive not just to snowflakes but to "ordinary" people, and that they are making enemies, and the Internet is forever and they really ought to think twice before being such jerks. This kind of thing will come back to haunt them.

Don't see why anybody assume that they did not. They can't publicize it, obviously, but saying "Ladies, that was really, really stupid" seems reasonable.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৪১ PM
Yancey Ward বলেছেন...: The second photo, "Locked the black bitch out," is a likely hoax since it was taken on the "victim's" own phone. I also suspect the first photo and caption is a hoax.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৪২ PM
Yancey Ward বলেছেন...: I have to ask this question of the readership:

Which do you think is more likely to be true: that the college officials had an actual backbone and were defending free speech, or they found compelling evidence both photos were hoaxes, but lacked the backbone to say so?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৪৫ PM
MAJMike বলেছেন...: BRAVO FOXTROT DELTA. How about going to class, studying, and getting that degree?; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৫৪ PM
buwaya বলেছেন...: I have ordered a t-shirt with the cross of Burgundy on it; this was of course the Spanish Habsburg standard and was used as the imperial standard by the Bourbons as well. This all during the height of the Inquisition, and etc., and most of the conquistadors would have used it after Charles V became Carlos I.
I don't usually wear t-shirts, but if someone punches me for wearing this one I will consider it as my assailant passing an IQ test.; ৭/১০/১৬, ১:৫৯ PM
MacMacConnell বলেছেন...: I ride Triumph motorcycles, know how many times I've been assaulted and verbally abused by blacks and SJWs while wearing a Union Jack tee shirt? These morons don't know the difference between a Union Jack and the Stars and Bars.; ৭/১০/১৬, ২:২০ PM
Amadeus 48 বলেছেন...: Yancy--that is a tough one. I think "lock out" is a hoax and BLM is mockery. I'd say 50/50 split and university admin is blowing smoke by using it as a teaching moment.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৩:০৭ PM
mikee বলেছেন...: When the authorities can't help, do you adapt, improvise, overcome and succeed, or do you cry and whine? One way works wonders for you and those around you. The other does not.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৩:৪৮ PM
Michael K বলেছেন...: We are in the runup to a race war unless things cool off. If Trump is elected, and I still think it is too close to call, there will be a lot of this stuff and people of no color are getting awfully sick of it.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৩:৪৯ PM
rhhardin বলেছেন...: The black chip-on-the-shoulder is the big black killer.

But it pays off for black leaders.

And here's this black student playing into it too.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৪:১৫ PM
rhhardin বলেছেন...: Reach Me (DVD), hero walks into church, priest recognizes him and goes into confessional; hero enters parishoner side of confessional, sits, and says "You go first."; ৭/১০/১৬, ৪:১৭ PM
Michael বলেছেন...: buwaya puti

I have a Casa Pound t-shirt purchased and worn for the same reason. Modern history, of course.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৪:৩৯ PM
Mountain Maven বলেছেন...: Leave. Go to a HBCU.; ৭/১০/১৬, ৫:৪৪ PM
Deja Voodoo বলেছেন...: এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।; ৮/১০/১৬, ৯:১৬ AM
Deja Voodoo বলেছেন...: Buwaya:
Tell them it is "La bandera de San Andres de la Infanteria" as flown in Puerto Rico.
Accuse them of Hispañaphobia.; ৮/১০/১৬, ৯:২০ AM
Deja Voodoo বলেছেন...: And hoplophobia.; ৮/১০/১৬, ৯:২০ AM