How about withdrawing?
Why, it was only this morning that commenters on this blog were pushing for me and Meade to attend the rally tomorrow in Elkhorn. David Begley said:
Trump rally one hour from Althouse and Meade on Saturday. Wisconsin is critical for Trump and the Meadehouse endorsement is influential.I joked:
So I could tip the nation, eh, Begley? After all this, it might depend on me.Meade boosted my joke:
In a world... where Clinton corruption grew exponentially, there was one lady blogger...David Begley leaned in:
Yes, Ann, selection of the next Leader of the Free World depends upon you and Wisconsin.
No pressure....
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A good idea! In favor of Carly -- an even better idea!
I'd take Pence.
Wait! I've already voted! Would I get a do-over?
If Trump doesn't withdraw, Pence should.
“My faith is at the very heart of who I am,” said Pence. “My Christian faith became real for me when I made a personal decision for Christ when I was a freshman in college. I’ve tried to live that out, however imperfectly, every day of my life since.”
Or, How Trump Lost Me ....
I don't see a way to avoid President Hillary Clinton, unfortunately.
A government corrupted so much during the Obama years will not self-correct.
So will Pence pretend Trump never said this too, like he did to every charge directed a Trump at the VP debate? Trump should NOT drop out, he should see it to the bitter end.
You are all overreacting. This was expected. He said similar stuff on Howard Stern. We knew this when he was nominated. More importantly, no different than JFK, LBJ and WJC.
No more "rooting for" Donald Trump, I guess, Ann. This is more damaging that the 47% stuff from Romney; it's so candid; so authentic and ugly.
It's funny--on advantage Trump had was a lack of a long political record that could be used against him. However, he has a fairly long history of being in the eye of the media--which has now ended up being more of a liability.
Although I doubt his candidacy will collapse or that his core supporters will leave, one would think this would be a decisive push away of most undecided voters.
Ok..so no Trump at Wisco rally..will there be statements about prez election?
I'll take Gary Johnson and his gaffes for 500 Alex.
Don't panic Trump supporters, all is in control!
I have to think people on here are joking. I have friends that have said worse things about women when talking among friends. Hillary has sent hired thugs to silence and intimidate Bill's rape/assault victims. Allowing Hillary to become presidents because Trump bragged about getting to second base?
This is pathetic. Paul Ryan is a worthless piece of shit. Why has Comey not been impeached yet? Why has Lynch not been held in contempt? Because the house leadership are cowards and useless.
We better hope the voters are not as pathetic as these "republicans."
His comments are 10 years old! Does no one else care that Trump was never accused of being a racist or a sexist until he decided to run for president? I care a helluva lot more about what Hillary has DONE than I do about what Trump has SAID. Please stop falling for the inane, unimportant distractions!
"More importantly, no different than JFK, LBJ and WJC."
How David Begley lost me.
This was a bawdy 'locker room' talk about women by two men in a private conversation.
The hysterical claims that he was condoning or describing sexual assault rely on wilful misinterpretation of what he said.
How is "women are to be championed and revered" not "objectifying" them?
DaveB has a point. DJT has been saying crazy things in public (including as part of this election season) for a long time, and his con followers haven't cared.
Maybe the GOPE is probing this situation to see if they can use it to execute the end run that they've been praying for.
Anywho, I'm sure DJT can come up w/ a redo of today's sorta apology. And, he can use the opportunity to talk about WJC blowing his load on a blue dress, proving HRC is ugly. Then, the cons will be at ease.
Unknown said...
"Don't panic Trump supporters, all is in control!"
Says the soulless piece of shit supporting Hillary Clinton. Bill has actually raped and assaulted women. Many of them underage. Hillary sent thugs after his victims.
No decent person can support Hillary Clinton.
Hillary is going to bring this up on Sunday night. Trump should challenge her to condemn John F Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Ted Kennedy as morally repugnant scum right then and there. Point out that the Kennedys raped and killed women, and are lionized as heroes of the Democratic party.
Only the really decent people will keep supporting Trump.
"This is more damaging that the 47% stuff from Romney; it's so candid; so authentic and ugly."
Serious question: What specifically is ugly about it? That he was boasting about sexual conquests? That he hit on a women without realizing she was married?
I can't wait for 3 AM!
I can't believe that any sensible person could think Trump's careless sex banter is as deplorable as Hillary's outright criminal acts.
Meade perhaps is unaware of the culture he lives in, with hit songs with lyrics like
"My neck, my back,
Lick my pussy and my crack"
or the classic "Shut the fuck up bitch, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up bitch, shut the fuck up."
Begley is right. These are not revelations, and they are neither unusually crude for locker room talk nor the least surprising coming from a crude braggart like Trump.
"Why has Comey not been impeached yet? Why has Lynch not been held in contempt?"
Because they don't have the votes to make it stick.
What could have been.
PBandJ_Ombudsman said.. talk about WJC blowing his load on a blue dress, proving HRC is ugly.
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Nice..you know damn well Hil is "ugly" due to enabling Bill by paving over his other victims.
Whenever someone tries to stop the Clintons a very damaging story circulates. Then that person is shoved aside and the Clinton corruption goes up a level higher and spreads the damage further. Back when the ugly stories were circulating about Paula Jones and Juanita Brodrick they were phrased in way that made people turn against those women. "Trailer park trash", who wants to defend someone like that? We can see now how people were being manipulated back then. Well, it's the same now. Essentially the Clintons are calling Trump "trailer park trash" (although I suppose it's "mens gymn trash"). And people don't want to be associated with someone like that. So the Clintons go up the last level and the corruption goes through the whole country. We'll easily be able to see how we were played just like the people of Arkansas were over Paula Jones when we sustain in our persons and see our loved ones sustain the damage the Clintons will do. We'll wonder why we couldn't see that what mattered was to stop the Clintons. We'll wonder why we couldn't see the real ugly story; why we allowed ourselves to be led blindly by a sudden media attack.
Stay calm Trump followers, don't furrow your brow, here drink this, it'll make you feel better.
"I can't believe that any sensible person could think Trump's careless sex banter is as deplorable as Hillary's outright criminal acts."
I don't think sensible people do.
We are, all of us in the States, going to get what we deserve. I hope we get it hard enough that people like Althouse are inconvenienced enough to care. Because I want - desire at my deepest levels - that the people who foisted this shit upon us are buried by it.
We are choosing to be ruled. We are choosing to be bankrupted. We are choosing to be impoverished by fools who would rule us.
And I wish due recourse be directed at those who have placed us in harm'S way.
"Who's got the illest pussy on the planet?
Sugar walls comin down niggaz can't stand it, the Ill Na Na
True Absolut Vodka, straight shots
For the has-beens and have-nots, dolla dolla
Real and it don't stop, we movin up
First the mansion then the yacht, sound proper
Straight cash get got, bloodhounds
Tryin to hunt down the Brown Fox, the Ill Na Na"
PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
"Anywho, I'm sure DJT can come up w/ a redo of today's sorta apology. And, he can use the opportunity to talk about WJC blowing his load on a blue dress, proving HRC is ugly. Then, the cons will be at ease."
Or he will bring up the multiple credible detailed accusations of rape and assault. You people wish it was just a man taking advantage of a position of power over a powerless unpaid woman.
It is rape you support. It is sexual assault you support. Actual rape and actual assault. You people are disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVnM6Zcz94
I finally just watched the video with audio.
Even more then the printed transcript, it came across as pure locker room banter and braggadocio on the tour bus about the seductive power of money and celebrity. Clearly not about assault.
So what did he do: he popped a tic-tac and when he got off the bus he kissed the pretty girl on the cheek -- only after Billy Bush urged them both to hug -- and then immediately mentioned his wife's name. He's all talk!
I'm not denying the political implications or Trump's lack of couth, but to say this video somehow unmasked Trump as some kind of sexual predator is ridiculous.
It may even win Trump the Tony Montana vote.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first.
Then, when you get the money, you get the power.
Then when you get power, then you get the women."
How about withdrawing?
Women are not serious people, is the problem.
They never outgrow playing with dolls.
Okay, is there anyone here who has ever thought of supporting Trump who thought that Trump didn't say shit like this in private? Really?
I'll tell ya what: after they ask Trump about this at the next presser, why don't they ask Hillary what Bill & Jesse Jackson talked about in that "confessional" session Bill & Jesse had after Bill was exposed as doing unnatural acts with Monica Lewinsky. At the time of that session, Jesse Jackson was in the process of paying hush money from the charitable donations of Operation Push to a woman who was bearing his illegitimate, adulterous child. I somehow doubt the conversation involved time in a monastery or acts of mortification of the flesh for either man.
I'm sorry, any adult on this board who doesn't understand that horndog men glomm after pussy all the time, 24x7, & pursue it in the crudest terms possible, just hasn't ever met one. Sadly, two things are true: 1) such men are over-represented among those who would rule over us; indeed, I often think they rule over us to have access to the women & 2) far too many women are willing partners with such men.
Only Trump supporters are decent non disgusting people!
Jelly..are you rappin'?
Got your undies stickin out?
No premature withdrawal! Let him shoot his load on the people he's been screwing since he announced his candidacy for the Presidency. It's only fair.
That's not to say that dolls don't have very complex social lives.
It's just that they're not real.
I listened to the audio.
I'm not so sure what's so bad about it, or "criminal" in Althouse words.
Sounded like a couple of guys joking and laughing when they thought their conversation was private. Didn't sound like he actually tried to assault anyone.
Usually one or two of the dolls are ill and need medical care before dinner.
unkle55: It would seem so, after reading your input, and extending it to your fellow "democrats"
Some of the dolls may need a lawyer for some difficulty they've gotten in.
Blogger mockturtle said...
I can't believe that any sensible person could think Trump's careless sex banter is as deplorable as Hillary's outright criminal acts.
I think that many of us can't help but be influenced by the society that surrounds us. This is why advertising works.
And it works best on those who believe themselves to be impervious to it.
There is a lot of anti-Trump outrageously outraged people out there tonight. Althouse and Meade are caught up in it. Many are.
This is the clever way you ruin a campaign. Trumps campaign needs to be more clever. This already means Hillary will go up another +5 in the polls, at least.
But we'll still read the dumb stories, "Hillary's race to lose, except, Trump has a slight chance." or something. Because they all know it's all bogus theater.
Man, unkle55, you do have an anger management issue.
Hillary knows how to care for dolls.
Trump likely would just blow them off.
Trump should promise every female a pony. That's probably his best move.
"Trump should promise every female a pony."
Why not. He tried shopping for a coffee table and that didn't work.
What are dolls when you've got a pony.
Aussie Pundit: It's ugly to talk about women's body parts as things he can just grab like candy or items in a store w/o regard for the other person or what she wants. Shouldn't it be troubling that a person who aspires to be president, who is supposed protect all of our rights, makes a statement that he has little regards for women's rights?
As far as HRC, I don't care for a lot of her behavior or history; but bringing up her troubles just looks like trying to avoid the obvious: DJT should not be given the power of the presidency.
We're talking the women's vote here. Be serious.
This is part of the Friday afternoon follies presented by Democrats to distract from the real issue that matter, but that get announced with news items prepared for simultaneous release. A shiny object to distract. A con.
The Democrats hyperventilate and reach for the smelling salts. When Democrats become Puritans and totalitarians, watch out folks. They're going to be coming for a lot more than your guns.
A sextet!
Man, they're comin' outta the walls.
It's too bad Francis Ponge didn't do a life of dolls thing. Men need some insights in to women's voting.
"How about withdrawing? "
How is that actually possible? In Wisconsin, for example, is there a method to replace the candidate on the ballot at this late date? If there is, how does that candidate get chosen, by the RNC? If Trump's name remains on the ballot because it is too late to remove his name, how do electors pledged to the replacement candidate get chosen as opposed to electors pledged to Trump? If Trump pledged electors get elected despite Trump's withdrawal, whom do they vote for when they meet on December, 19th?
These questions are discussed in a WAPO article from September. There is no clear answer to any of this. There is no federal or constitutional guidance and the laws of the states are probably inadequate, if they address the situation at all.
"DJT should not be given the power of the presidency."
Right, better to give it to the woman who fucked up Libya.
Was this unkle?
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10/7/16, 9:48 PM
Remember the scene from Crocodile Dundee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzrE8lGJds
That's a guy, a guy dressed up like a Sheila!"
I've seen worse scatological language on this blog. And it appears regularly.
I haven't seen any outrage over this.
Oh, no. The Clinton campaign just released an old video of Mike Pence.
The important thing about a doll is that it is of no use.
This ties it to the women's vote.
Was this unkle?
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Naw, she never gets deleted.
I think that was ed making an ed-it.
Little girls should play with votes.
Another important thing about dolls is that its owner gets to say what the doll thinks.
We see this everywhere with women.
Nobody says that toy trucks are of no use, by contrast.
Sand is moved and written on. Roads are graded.
Civil engineering is a constant in life.
Good timing considering listening to ChIraq news I'm still hearing about revelations on Hil-Speak.
It's only after graduating that boys are unemployed.
Eric
Althouse is misrepresenting what Trump said. He say women let stars get away with stuff. When asked for an example of the sort of thing a star can get away with he said the grabbing thing. That is not the same as saying he did it. It might or might not suggest to you that he has done so, but it is not a reference to having done so.
Everyone needs to take a chill pill about Donald. He's not Hitler, he's not a rapist, he's not a psychopath. He's just a bad candidate with bad ideas and bad manners. Plenty of reason to prefer another candidate without pretending to yourself that you are standing up to evil incarnate.
I think rhhardin's mommy played with his dolly when he was little and he's been afraid of women ever since.
"He's not Hitler, he's not a rapist, he's not a psychopath."
Would you go w/ sociopath?
And now the Trump campaign has just released a video of Bill Clinton:
"How To Fake Like You Are Nice And Caring."
It's unusual for a doll house to be condemned for a new road under eminent domain.
Boys learn the law from bullies, late in childhood.
http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath
@rhhardin,
Little boys who can't get little girls to like them should get girl dogs to play with instead.
@PB&J,
"He's not Hitler, he's not a rapist, he's not a psychopath."
Would you go w/ sociopath?
No. Trump's the narcissist. Hillary's the sociopath.
I seriously, if perhaps wrongly, believe this.
EDH,
I thought you were linking to WJC at the Ron Brown funeral.
Everyone calm the hell down, Uncle Don wouldn't dream of grabbing your your adult daughters by the pussy. He's a very decent guy.
I wonder if girls' dolls mean well. The dolls' owners would have to say, but do any owners say they don't mean well.
That would change some women's votes, if it happened.
"So I could tip the nation, eh, Begley?"
It's a mite harder to tip than Guam, I think.
Girls are good at math in school, but never seem to use it.
Flaggin' again! down to a duet.
Bill Clinton got blow jobs in the White House, Hillary knew and approved of them and somehow Trump is disqualified for what he said 11 years ago?
Please.
Original Mike said...
"Why has Comey not been impeached yet? Why has Lynch not been held in contempt?"
" Because they don't have the votes to make it stick.
What could have been."
Because they couldn't make it stick? We are talking about a fundamental tenant of this nation: equal justice under the law. If you don't fight for it you are worthless. Paul Ryan is worthless.
Paul Ryan better hope Trump wins because he is awfully conspicuous out there in his little walled mansion. When the rule of law falls because of cowards like him it is on cowards like him.
"Blogger Meade said...
"More importantly, no different than JFK, LBJ and WJC."
How David Begley lost me."
Boy, you are a wimp !
The Democrats dig up something from 20 years ago. Bill was a passenger on the "Lolita Express" how long ago?
Withdrawing? There's something hysterically effete about even this type of talk.
What's next, should Trump commit seppuku in shame, because Wisconsin squirrel Ryan is "sickened"?
Do we really need someone second in line to the CIC who gets "sickened" by bawdy male talk? No wonder Putin is proceeding to cash in his chips from Syria to Kaliningrad: he knows the American leadership is all down with tummy troubles over sex talk.
Abortion rites in the privacy of chambers. Channeling Mengele at Planned Parenthood. Class diversity to mark people by the "color of their skin". A sexual revolution to objectify women, men, and children. And, now, trials for thought crimes committed against the special and peculiar interests of the Pro-Choice Church, Party, and regime.
It's not too late to discover your religion... Avoiding reconciliation of moral, natural, and personal imperatives has placed our civilization on a progressive slope.
"As far as HRC, I don't care for a lot of her behavior or history; but bringing up her troubles just looks like trying to avoid the obvious: DJT should not be given the power of the presidency."
Now that is a stunning example of cognitive dissonance. Her "troubles"?
But Trump's boy talk. That's some serious shit.
There's no rule of law with dolls.
And speaking of pussies, what price Paul Ryan?
"Bill was a passenger on the "Lolita Express" how long ago?"
If so, so was Trump, who has claimed a friendship of 25+ years with Jeffrey Epstein.
Unknown said...
"Everyone calm the hell down, Uncle Don wouldn't dream of grabbing your your adult daughters by the pussy. He's a very decent guy."
Bill Clinton rapes women. He holds them down and forces his penis into their vagina, sometimes after forcing them to orally copulate. He has done this several times. Several women have given detailed accounts of his actual violence against women. Hillary hires thugs to intimidate his rape victims and keep them out of the news.
You support this. You are a terrible person.
Paul Ryan is sickened. The women's vote touches everything, sort of Midas-like.
Timaeus of Athens has gold equated to excrement.
Damn. There ya go. Paul Ryan is Mitch McConnel in fifty years.
People who don't love and worship Trump are baaaaaad people, baaaaaaad.
If only women weren't such a profitable audience for soap opera, the news would never have gotten started in the business and pols wouldn't be free-riding on it.
It started with ratings for Jessica in the well. Who remembers that fateful discovery today.
Should a major party candidate withdraw when he no longer has a chance to win?
Hillary's droning suggestion was worse, in my opinion, but of course she denies it. There is no reason why we should believe anything she says, but Trump does not even have the luxury of denial.
I wonder what Pence will say?
It's no longer possible to get Pence on the top of the ticket in most states, so it would still be Trump-Pence on the ballots. Then the electors would have to vote Pence rather than Trump.
So it's perfect. You can vote Trump as a protest vote, knowing that he is no longer in the running, but get Pence, conservative but restrained. This might be the best way to beat Hillary. And if that's the best way, she's he president either way.
Trump was trying out for a soap opera, wasn't he, when he was recorded on the hot mike. Trump loves a good soap opera, he often stars in them in real life. He should be our President! He's a good man, a very good decent man.
This is, of course, a very civilized and well-respected bi-partisan forum for important topical stuff.
But I chortle sometimes.
Hot mic, lol. We wouldn't want to accuse him of groping Mike.
Any adult who is upset at Trump's locker room talk is a hypocrite. Men talk like that and think like that, almost without exception. Homosexuals merely change the gender and slang words but talk that way as well. It is no different in the Board room from the locker room. When servicemen are on liberty all they look for is pussy. I not only still chase it; I still catch it and I'm 86 this month. All the men I know talk exactly like Trump and, if you have money/power, the pussy will come after you in droves, letting you get away with almost whatever you want, just as he said. Been there, done that.
Anyone who says differently or alleges social offense is simply a liar and a hypocrite.
Especially after unkle55 has xir say.
PS
Paul Ryan IS a PUSSY.
Unknown said...
"People who don't love and worship Trump are baaaaaad people, baaaaaaad."
You are being purposely stupid but that would be in character because that is what you are. People who support or vote for Hillary Clinton are bad people. That is clear and inarguable. You are supporting injustice. You are terrible.
Chortling...
Pence will be taking Trump's place next to Ryan tomorrow in Wisconsin, lol! Do you think maybe Pence did such a good job in the VP debate that it was the RNC that had a hand in leaking this hot mic video to WaPo? Maybe this is how they get rid of Trump and put Pence at the head of the ticket. Oh the treachery.
"Paul Ryan is Mitch McConnel in fifty years."
Ryan is Mitch McConnell NOW.
Anyone who doesn't love and worship Trump is stupid and baaaaaaaad too.
The thing is, by Monday the Chicken Little hysteria will have worn off. By that time, any woman who has lain with a man, even if she despises Trump, will be rolling her eyes at the priggishness of anyone still rolling Trump's audio, because she knows what all men except Tim Kaine are: not women.
Meanwhile, Podesta's most recently released emails quoting Hillary on private vs. public statements, Wall Street, and her vision of an free flowing Amero common market from Hudson Bay to Chile will just keep circulating and circulating.
Someone get Paul Ryan a Midol and a paper bag to breathe into.
Anyone who doesn't love and worship Hillary is stupid and baaaaaaaad too.
So what's that you're drinkin' unkle55?
Val-U-Rite?
"Anyone who says differently or alleges social offense is simply a liar and a hypocrite."
I disagree. I've been trying to think when I've heard that level of whatever that was. I know I never heard that stuff in board rooms. Never on a golf course. Not when hanging out w/ a bunch of Navy guys in a car club (many of these guys were quite young). Maybe in high school there were a few times that this sort of jabber occurred. But, even then we were players so we would never get that riled up the way DJT did on that bus to gawk at some girl because that would show that you were a bit desperate, which is weak.
Anywho, I can vaguely recall some more losery guys getting to that level of talk a couple times in high school. But, they weren't players. And, it was high school.
Chicken soup.
Well, it's not gonna cure what you have...
It's good for your soul, because anyone who doesn't love and worship Trump has no soul and are baaaaaaad people.
Winter's coming, darling.
BTW, that gal that DJT was jabbering about when he was on the bus was quite flat chested.
So, looking at the glass as half full, this new video does diminish the HRC ads that play DJT saying that it's hard for a flat chested gal to be a ten. I guess that DJT fans can argue that this will make some flat chested gals happier. In this video DJT also seemed to not be impressed by fake tits on Nancy. So again you DJTers can use this to refute the HRC ad.
Try posting at a more Fabulous blog.
But..sexual issues aren't related to governing..right Hil-Bil shills?
Or should I say "A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall" on you.
"Bill Clinton got blow jobs in the White House, Hillary knew and approved of them and Trump is disqualified for what he said 11 years ago...
the sickest burn.
Walter,
In modern America is skill in managing a political campaign related to ability to manage the government?
I'd say no. But, I'd say that, as a rule of thumb, experience running political campaigns makes a person better at running a political campaign. Are you w/ me?
Likewise, I'd say that, as a rule of thumb, experience in government makes a person better at understanding and managing government. IMHO, being POTUS w/ our modern, complicated world and fed gov isn't a good place to learn on the job (especially for someone like DJT who's making dumb errors during the campaign, which is the easy part.) Still w/ me?
Well, one possibility is that this is a move to keep Trump from bringing up the dirt on Bill at the debate. Another possibility is that this was timed to distract from the wikileaks business. A third possibility is that this was an attempt to smoke the closet #nevertrumpers out of the closet. In Ryan"s case, it worked. He already had the letter of condemnation ready in his mind. The only thing he added was the reason. If this is all they have, it's coming awfully early in the campaign, which leads me to believe reports that the Clinton campaign was in a panic. If there's more to this than just banter on a video tape, then this could be a problem. Otherwise, we already know that Trump and both of the Clintons are vulgarians. We no longer live in the world of W.C. Fields and the need for clever substitutes for vulgar words. If it's just words, it's probably just words. If women come forward with stories, that could be different.
So Trump is a vulgarian who engaged in locker room talk? Big whoop.
What's funny is seeing all the people who called Republicans sex-hating scolds because they objected to the adventures of Horndog Bill (and some of those adventures were not consensual) reacting like prissy Victorian schoolmarms because omg, Donald said some crude things in private!!
They ignored that Ted Kennedy killed a woman, that Bill is an accused rapist, and that Hill laughed about the plight of a brutally violated young girl because they don't give a shit about women who don't serve their purpose.
Blogger PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
"BTW, that gal that DJT was jabbering about when he was on the bus was quite flat chested."
Was Jaunita Broderick a 10 when Bill raped her? Was she a ten when Hillary sent her thugs after her to shut her up? What Kathleen Willey a 10 when Bill sexually assaulted her? Was she a 10 when Hillary called her another bimbo eruption? Or when her husband killed himself?
I know these are difficult questions for Hillary supporters. They kind of highlight your abject hypocrisy and total lack of a soul.
machine said...
" the sickest burn. "
This is the depth of machine's critical thinking skills. You are as far left on the bell curve as you are on the political spectrum.
Damn! it is easy pickins' at Althouse on a Friday night!
"I'll bite your legs off!"
It's 30 days until the election now. The cake is baked; as someone here pointed out, it's all up to turnout now.
Now, all that all of Bernie Sanders supporters - a sizable portion of the Democrat electorate as of primary season - have to decide is one of three things.
- Not to vote for either Hillary or Trump
- Vote for the guy who said something a decade ago about grabbing pussy
- Vote for Hillary, whose emails with her campaign chair contain
*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY*
*CLINTON TALKS ABOUT HOLDING WALL STREET ACCOUNTABLE ONLY FOR POLITICAL REASONS*
*CLINTON SUGGESTS WALL STREET INSIDERS ARE WHAT IS NEEDED TO FIX WALL STREET*
*CLINTON ADMITS NEEDING WALL STREET FUNDING*
*CLINTON TOUTS HER RELATIONSHIP TO WALL STREET AS A SENATOR*
What hill will all those die-hard Bernie supporters ultimately choose to stand on? What drove them on and on all those many months?
Abstract chivalry and solidarity with feminism against rude male talk, or Wall Street?
PBandJ_Ombudsman saidIn modern America is skill in managing a political campaign related to ability to manage the government?
--
How again should he "manage" a timed, targeted replay from over a decade prior?
The baby trial du jour.
Most people will not crucify someone for committing a thought crime. They will even forgive someone who repents for trans-human behaviors (e.g. abortionist, cannibal). In fact, they appreciate a separation of public and private spaces. And after constant flogging by transgender interests ("="), institutional discrimination by class diversitists, miscarriage of anti-native policies, and vulgar defenders of abortion rites, they will be rightly concerned about the Church's progressive corruption.
Walter,
He should have a game plan, like the HRC people do where four months ago it's decided what should roll out today and for every day until the election.
But, more important than his inexperience/inability running a campaign is his inexperience/inability running the government. Nobody can know that he'll automatically know how to run the government, especially after, to date, he's had HRC kick his ass during the campaign (and that's with the Russian government doing more than Nixon could have dreamed of to help DJT.)
I will concede that we learned nothing about DJT from these revelations but it doesn't matter. Google Ray Rice. He knocked out his wife in an elevator and everyone knew it, he admitted it, etc. Yet no one gave a fuck until tape came out. Human nature. Trump was toast anyway but this is dirt on the coffin. By the way, this doesn't bother me at all. I kind of hate it but know plenty of dudes who might have said the same thing. This is modern politics. The people get to choose and the people are not going to like this.
One thing this tells me is that the Dems are better at this than Ted Cruz. Why couldn't he come up with something like this. I'm sure there's more where this came from.
Budman, 'hope you're not wearing a rayon shirt!
Trump responds.
For the record, I did predict in this thread that DJT's new apology would include shifting the attention/blame to WJC and HRC.
Ha!
I think it would have been nice if he'd included some "so true" ad libs, like he has w/ some of his other teleprompter reading. So true.
Locker room comments notwithstanding, it is still Trump vs. the corrupt status quo.
Quite aside from any defense of Trump, I personally hope he wins and shuts up the army of perpetually outraged moral narcissists who demand personal perfection of others but not themselves or their friends.
The essential argument being put forth here is that Trump is disqualified because he's boorish, while Hillary is okay despite all of her shady dealings and law breaking throughout her career because she says the right things in public and made sure to shred or seal as much of her words in private as possible. Why exactly am I supposed to prefer the fake Saint Hillary image over the realistic Dirty Donald?
BTW, do the folks in this thread who say that they talk like DJT also say that it's too bad they're related to their kids because that means that they can date them? I don't know what sort of locker rooms y'all go to, but I'd like to know so that I can avoid these places.
PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
"For the record, I did predict in this thread that DJT's new apology would include shifting the attention/blame to WJC and HRC.
Ha!
I think it would have been nice if he'd included some "so true" ad libs, like he has w/ some of his other teleprompter reading. So true."
That is because Bill Clinton raped and assaulted women and Hillary supported every one of those assaults, and then threatened and intimidated Bill's victims you douchebag.
You are a disgusting piece of shit.
Jim Sweeney said...
Any adult who is upset at Trump's locker room talk is a hypocrite. Men talk like that and think like that, almost without exception. Homosexuals merely change the gender and slang words but talk that way as well. It is no different in the Board room from the locker room. When servicemen are on liberty all they look for is pussy. I not only still chase it; I still catch it and I'm 86 this month. All the men I know talk exactly like Trump and, if you have money/power, the pussy will come after you in droves, letting you get away with almost whatever you want, just as he said. Been there, done that.
Anyone who says differently or alleges social offense is simply a liar and a hypocrite.
10/7/16, 10:49 PM"
86 and still scoring? I tip my hat in admiration! If Paul Ryan was half the man you are he would be twice the man he is.
PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
"BTW, do the folks in this thread who say that they talk like DJT also say that it's too bad they're related to their kids because that means that they can date them?"
BTW, do the folks in this thread who support Hillary Clinton hope they can send their kids to be interns in the White House while Bill is first husband so he can assault and molest them? Do you enjoy supporting rapists and enablers?
Not when hanging out w/ a bunch of Navy guys in a car club (many of these guys were quite young).
Must be a different Navy than the one I was in, which was many years ago. I joined in 1960. Maybe the level of conversation has been raised since I got out in 1964. Similar barracks-flavored examples of Trump’s crude verbal meandering on the Access Hollywood tape were common in my Navy. Indeed, even worse. Perhaps that’s why I’m not shocked.
But if you have been imbued to the core of your being with political correctness as many of our elites have been this type of language and casually vulgar attitude toward sexual seduction(a failed attempt, BTW) and sexual harassment must be very significant. But these types were not going to vote for Trump, anyway. Heads can explode on all the cables but let’s wait for a bit to see the public’s reaction before we write Trump off completely.
Yeah, well, it's been bounced out of intolerant sites so now it roosts here. *shrug*
Men do talk like this with other men, but perhaps with not as crude language- it certainly isn't uncommon.
However, I think this will end Trump's chances to win. His best alternative in my opinion is to withdraw immediately.
Blogger PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
Walter,
He should have a game plan, like the HRC people do where four months ago it's decided what should roll out today and for every day until the election.
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Downside of being a political outsider without MSM allegiance.
Look at the info surfacing today and decide which would be most relevant to the next term?
Unknown, I don't believe you can talk such shit here and walk away and be a nice guy. You haven't got a civil bone in your body, and nobody likes you. Your mother may love you, the poor soul, but she doesn't like you. Your father hates you and is ashamed of you. Donald Trump has lots of people that like him, that enjoy being around him. You'll never know what that's like, you pathetic, mealy-mouthed worm.
The really fun thing is this- Trump was probably making a false boast about it all- that is also common among men and locker room talk.
However, I think this will end Trump's chances to win. His best alternative in my opinion is to withdraw immediately.
Sarcasm, How does it work?
grack,
They really weren't too crude. Plenty of sex. But not a lot of jabber behind the girls' backs that was a lot different than what we said to their faces. Maybe this was because we often had girlfriends around. But, even if they weren't, we'd jabber a little about what we were up to sexually, but none of us where too fixated on each others sex lives, that would have seemed sorta gay (not that there's anything wrong w/ that.)
They often went on and on about their guns and other gun related stuff. I was totally lost w/ that stuff.
No, I really think you need to find a more fabulous site to post at. Really.
Jon,
This video and audio will be playing non-stop until November. It really only needs to cost him 5% support to end any chance he had to win- it is that simple. The problem is the sheer crudity of the comments plays poorly with lots of people he needed to win.
Someone above asked what happens if he withdrew- I think the easiest solution is to simply keep him on the ballot where Pence can't be elevated and Trump removed. His electors in states he still wins don't have to vote for him and pledge to support the replacement. The main problem overall is the early voting- in states like that you will have to keep Trump on the ballot if you think he had a chance to win that state.
O.K. Yancey.
I give up.
Althouse's vapors about this being admission of sexual assault were vastly overblown- nothing he said is such an admission. He may have grabbed the pussy from time to time, but that isn't what he said he did. In fact, I find the idea that he did pretty laughable- it really is probably an empty boast, if one can call it a boast in mixed company.
So. Is this how it ends?
Jon,
I don't think this should be a disqualifying thing- like I wrote, such crude talk among men isn't uncommon, and probably by the time you are 40-50 years old you have engaged in it if only passively with your friends and colleagues. Though I am not a woman, I can't imagine most women don't already know that the men they know and married have said similar things to other men, and if they don't, then their men are just very, very good at concealing that part of themselves.
But all that doesn't matter- the fact that it was taped is what is killing here for Trump's chances. It will keep a significant part of his support from voting for him now, if only to stay out of the doghouse.
PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
"Anyone who says differently or alleges social offense is simply a liar and a hypocrite."
I disagree. I've been trying to think when I've heard that level of whatever that was. I know I never heard that stuff in board rooms. Never on a golf course. Not when hanging out w/ a bunch of Navy guys in a car club (many of these guys were quite young).
Either you hung out with real wusses or real PC types. My friends and I never talked that way, but I sure heard it. In HS, graduated in 1973, in boot camp, throughout my Navy career, and from people I've worked with since leaving active duty. I generally don't get along well with people who talk like that, but avoiding them is just about impossible for the average male engaged in everyday life.
the end
Do all of you folks who are immersed in conversations where guys say that they grab women by their pussies also talk about regretting that you can't date your hot daughters?
It will be fun if Hil goes "What kind of man____!!!"
Jelly..are you a humorless scold?
"Jelly..are you a humorless scold?"
Maybe. I do know that I'm quick to call BS. If a friend of mine said that they regretted not being able to date their daughter, I'd point out that that's sick. Maybe they'd say it was a joke. I'd tell them it's not good joke. Likewise, I know for a fact that I'd ask for some clarification if a friend told me that he grabs gals by their pussies.
Kinda depends on the context and delivery..find it, evaluate it..honestly.
(i.e. be less Spock about it)
Like I said, Maybe you'd be happier at a more fabulous blog. IYKWIMAITYD.
"gals" dead giveaway.
Women don't hear men's "locker room talk" that's why it's called locker room talk. It's sexual BSing. I've got five educated sisters they are still voting for Trump. All my nieces are still voting for Trump. When I told them about GOPe peeling off of Trump, my oldest sister (70) said, "They are cowards".
JE,
Ha!
That's one of my subtle ways of making fun of the geezers around here. Nice that you noticed, even if the point was missed.
I'm not sure anybody has brought this up so I will. It's obvious to me that there's a MOLE very high up in Trump's campaign. HillyBilly came out swinging in the first debate because she knew Trump was not going to go full boar and gore Hilly's guts out. Obviously his preparation emphasized avoiding nasty confrontation and for once Trump stayed on script. My guess is that she has now heard that Trump goes for the throat this time around and she released this bullshit tape to put him on the defensive from the git (with the full-throated assistance of whomever moderates).
Professor Althouse: "If anyone was offended. Is there any chance that no one was offended?!"
Well, I have enjoyed reading the comments - all of them - and this has to be considered the most misguided question I have seen Professor Alhouse ask. And then, (I suppose it is forgivable since she probably wrote her last Criminal Law bar exam question many years ago) we have: "...Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior...Criminal behavior. Sexual assault." A phone call to the local Criminal Law professor will quickly expose the fallacy of that conclusion.
Ken B said [in a comment here]:
" Eric
Althouse is misrepresenting what Trump said. He say women [consent?] let stars get away with stuff. When asked for an example of the sort of thing a star can get away with he said the grabbing thing. That is not the same as saying he did it. It might or might not suggest to you that he has done so, but it is not a reference to having done so."
My conclusion from all this is that Professor Althouse, like Geraldo Rivera on The Factor (Fox News) show, has exposed herself as being something other than a "neutral observer".
Good grief!
We have an economy grievously sickened by the progressive idiocy of Bill Clinton, Raines, Frank and Dodd, and maintained in its illness by Obama, we have a near to bankrupt social security depended on by millions and demagogued to prevent repair by the Democrats for 25 years, we have ISIS, China and resurgent unstable Russia attacking us daily, a European refugee crisis launched by Hillary Clinton, a Democratic candidate who thinks “trickle down” is a real argument and thereby shows her complete ignorance of economics, who attacks her opponent for taking a tax loss carry-forward and thereby demonstrates to every business person in the country, all together now, her complete ignorance of economics, who is, demonstrably over decades, a congenital liar, who actually erased t-h-e- N-i-x-o-n- t-a-p-e-s- her emails to avoid jail, who has severely damaged federal agencies from the Travel Office to the Justice Department to the FBI in her trail of destruction, who, with Obama, has damaged the press beyond repair, who sold out her Secretary of State office to any bidder yet won’t publish for all to see her price list for “favors” for her next intended office, who supports teachers who tend the Democratic party first and students last, yet we are talking about a 10 year old locker room conversation?
Is anyone too naïve to have the right to vote who does not realize that Bill Clinton, George Bush, John McCain, John Kerry, Jerry Ford, Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman, and almost every husband, father and son has participated in similar conversations?
And, FYI, the conversation wasn’t really about women, any more than the conversation about the birdie claimed on number 12 at Beth Page Black is about golf, or the kitten who purrs till the lake pipes roar is about cars.
all the young dudes. a musical interlude.
Seems appropriate.
Valentine Smith
No need for a mole Trump telegraphed his plan to get tough last week. If it was just a head fake it might have backfired, but maybe not since Hillary went all in on denouncing Trump's sex talk, it's fair game now. Does Hillary really want to go there on national TV?
I still believe that none of this tawdry shit sticks to Trump, It may shut down any inroads to the women vote but I think those votes have been locked down for a while. As someone above said the sex stuff revealed about past Presidents has inured the voter to sexual misbehavior.
It'll be fascinating to see how Trump handles this in the debate:
Come out smiling
Come out swinging
Come out humble (not sure he could fake it)
Come out contrite (he could fake it)
When a reporter asked Vernon Jordan what did he and Bill Clinton talk about on the golf course, he smiled and replied, "We talked about pussy".
I was bicycling with some friends -- male friends -- a few weeks ago. We were way out on some trails in the woods. So one of us decided to pick himself an Indian name from Last of the Mohicans. I said I wanted to be called "Long Rifle."
Whenever I called myself "Long Rifle" or any of my friends called me "Long Rifle", I would say "Long Rifle! The Squaw's Friend!" and do the old pelvic thrust. Hilarious!
Right then and there, I lost my chance to ever become president of the United States.
What if Trump is who released the tape?
Well, if you want to know whether or not this hurts him, watch the LATimes tracking poll. That poll picked 3000 adults early on and continuously repolls them, and has remained more stable, less variance, than any other poll by a wide margin. I think 95%+ of the people who will end up showing up in the voting booth in November have already made up their mind, so I do believe the LATimes poll is accurately reflecting that reality, if not necessarily electorate's preferences overall. If Trump suddenly in the next two reporting cycles finds himself behind in that poll, you will have your answer about how this did or did not hurt him.
In a perfect world, what Trump said should weigh a great deal less than what Hillary herself has implicitly condoned in her own husband's behavior- I can't even imagine a person who could believe otherwise, but they obviously exist. However, the world isn't perfect.
Ya know, it's a real treat picturing the flip side of this - imagine if instead of this tape, someone had released a tape of Hillary talking in an equivalent manner about men... or women, for that matter!
Hillary talked about grabbing c*** - this just proves all those conservatives who said she was gay with Huma Abedin are evil liars! Oh, and prudes!
Hillary talked about grabbing p**** - why does this even matter? this just proves conservatives are homophobes! Oh, and prudes!
Yeah, tell me more about sexism and straight white male privilege.
I got it! Clinton does illegal acts, Trump does not. Since when did Trump get religion? He has always operated at the very edge of legal-illegal - and we really don't know why he funded $100K to the Clinton Crime Faamily Trust and the Bill Clinton Library and Message Parlor. And we don't know for sure how many tims he volated the Foreign Currupt Practices Act by paying bribes. But most assuredly the Trump personality gives only when he gets something in return.
If the Trump epiphany just occurred, welcome aboard. For the rest of the Trump Tingle Testers, do you also support accused rapists or robbers for local public office? If you do, then you are a large part of the problem.
Too many people here, including you, Althouse and Meade, who have failed to pay attention to those who actually managed to do stuff the likes of which you used to care about at least a decade ago, are oblivious. Is that supposed to be a message?
So Trump should step down over some private comments made over ten years ago, but Crooked Hillary, loyal wife to an accused rapist, must keep going despite being caught lying about crimes she has committed as recently as a few weeks ago. This is the mindset of a modern American elite, in a nutshell.
It's a silly, silly, stupid, stupid, ignorant, ignorant, uninformed, uniformed, arrogant, arrogant thing to even suggest that there should be a change in any ballot, anywhere, with regard to the presidential ballot.
The reality has been cast. Too late--BOTH CONTENDERS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS--to suggest otherwise.
@Michael Fitzgerald:
No, he shouldn't resign.
No, she shouldn't resign.
At this point, those two should keep going.
It's too late to change the terms of the fight. It's too late to object to the fight, much less a fight.
Donald and Hillary are the nominees. That's it, full stop, no ducking that reality, and no cheap escapes for the earliest supporters of each.
Election Day
"I moved on them and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and fuck them. I moved on them like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. Then all of a sudden I see them, they now got the big phony regulations and everything. They've totally changed their look.... Whoa! I've gotta use some tic tacs from Huma, just in case I start grifting them. You know I'm automatically attracted to money — I just start grifting them. It's like a magnet. Just grift. I don't even wait. And when you're Hillary they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab Goldman Sachs by the pussy. You can do anything."
I am The Replacement Laslo.
Coupe:
Too late to try woo me in terms of music.
I'm over it.
If you don't get that, it means you've never paid attention, not from the start of the Althouse blog, for example.
rcommal said...Too late to try woo me in terms of music.
Hee, I don't even know who the hell you are... :-)
Hee, I don't even know who the hell you are... :-)
That ^ I do not question.
Guys really do talk like that. Or, at least some of them. Two groups, essentially - working class down through the lower class, and a lot of alphas. Esp super-alphas like DJT and WJC (LBJ, JFK, etc). And, probably decently more often on the Dem side of the isle than the Rep side with politicians. Rep politicians have to deal with the family values types, while on the Dem side, alphas are just expected to be getting theirs on the side. Funny thing is that this sort of thing is used for intimidation by some alphas. Have had senior attorneys talk that way to me, and it always struck me as alpha posturing. They figure that they can use it to make you uncomfortable, so you had better be able to ignore it.
It was pretty shrewd to hold this until now. It looks to me to be a classist wedge issue. The upper middle class should get all upset about this and vote for the safely upper-middle class Crooked Hillary. The problem is that the rich, the elite, etc. have always operated like this, and the upper middle class, in particular, hates it. They see themselves the custodians of virtue, and standing against this Which is why hitting Crooked for her being able to skate on email is powerful there. They don't believe in double standards, and resent that the rich and powerful face a different standard than they do. Which is to say that this has now been structured so that they can virtue signal by rejecting Trump, and his elite class locker room talk. And, yes, there is another double standard here - everyone knows that Democrat politicians operate with a double standard, and that is one of the reasons that mainstream Republicans dislike them. Their politicians are not supposed to be that way, and that is part of why they are morally superior to Democrats, who accept this sort of thing as the norm.
Normally, Trump's point that BJC did worse at the golf course wouldn't fly in Republican circles (because, as noted, this is part of why Republicans think that they are morally superior to Democrats), but Trump's appeal is not really to the upper middle class that Republicans usually aim at, but rather, at the middle middle and lower middle class, where this sort of talk is much better accepted (and, esp. to traditional blue collar Democrats). So, Trump's best response may, indeeed, be that WJC has said far worse in his company, on multiple occasions, and that Clinton was still taking junkets to Pedophile Island with Epstein even a year or so ago (which, BTW (for Unknown) very different from publicly acknowledging Epstein in public, like Trump did - no evidence, yet, that Trump ever visited there). A grovelling apology wouldn't work, which is why Trump's natural response to hit back even harder may be his best response.
As for virtue signallling, Walker was pretty pathetic there. Made him look like a pansy, which may work with his primary constituency, but i think will, ultimately, act to reduce his base. What must be remembered here is that this sort of talk is really mostly looked down upon by the upper middle class, and those imitating them in order to join it. It doesn't bother the working class, and, instead, Walker just looks craven and weak.
I am sure they were saving this for the day the Goldman Sachs stuff finally leaked.
It would be nice if there were a choice in the matter of respect for women in this election, but it's a wash in that area. This is just fresh.
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