MEANWHILE: At The Washington Post: "After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash."
American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment.... Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims. Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.They seem to be saying that they are afraid that they are feared. If you are afraid that other people are afraid, what should you do?
On Tuesday morning, Terry Cormier arrived to open her Anaheim, Calif., Islamic clothing shop and found a Koran, riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door.... Cormier, who wears the head scarf known as the hijab, said she has felt little anti-Muslim sentiment in her ethnically diverse community in Southern California until now. “But especially after what happened yesterday in San Bernardino, it’s pretty intense,” she said. “But I really think that if people would just get out there and talk to a Muslim person, they would see that they are human just like you. We’re just as upset about what’s going on and how people are being hurt. It’s devastating to us as well.”...
One recent evening, Haneen Jasim, 22, a University of Cincinnati pre-med student who wears the hijab, said she had just left a Starbucks where she was studying for an exam when a man approaching in a car began honking his horn. With his window rolled down, he began shouting insults at her and called her a terrorist.
“He was yelling, ‘Paris!’ and told me to go back to my country,” Jasim said in an interview. As he yelled, she said, he drove toward her, “almost running me over.” Three people pulled her to safety on the sidewalk, she said. “I’ve never gotten anything negative about being a Muslim, ever,” she said. “I always read articles about other people, but I honestly did not think it would happen to me.... I am terrified. My friends are scared. My family is scared. I’m scared for other people, but this is an opportunity to show to people what Islam is, instead of what the media or ISIS shows.”
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1 – 200 of 214 Newer› Newest»well that sort of settles the motive question. Note that she passed those tight DHS ME immigration screens. The ones we're using on Syrians
...but remember the attack had nothing to do with Islam....
I've thought all along that she was the one who radicalized him. When all is said and done, it's going to come out that she was the driving force behind this, not him.
I've felt all along that she was the one that radicalized him. When this is all said and done, I think we're going to find out that he was the driving force behind this, not him.
I irony that the link is to a CNN headline.
The headline should read, "CNN gets every form of analysis completely wrong on first day of San Bernardino shooting."
I swear, no joke, last night Erin Burnett actually asked one of her "expert" guests if what drove Tashfeen Malik to commit this act of terror mass was post partum depression.
That ISIL Flag is nifty to the good Muslims. It represents the Strong Horse. But Mullah Obama, the weak Horse, plans to go all out and send 50 more Rangers into AlBagdadi's lair to be Target Practice for his warriers, mich like our 1000 man Afghanistan Force.
The theory that we have our boots go over there and fight the War on their ground has been reversed. Now AlBagdadi comes over here and fights the War with his boots on our ground.
That saves money for Mullah Obama's World Climate War Slush Fund and is more fair to his precious Muslims.
But their motives remain a mystery...
So Obama knew from the first this was terrorism. Benghazi lies got him reelected. When your opponent can't stop what you're running, keep running it.
The Democrats' disconnect from reality and reason is scary.
The President told his children that ISIS was defeated and on the run. The least he could do is stop the lying.
And Obama drones on about vetting the Syrians and Global Warming while the AG threatens to prosecute anti-Muslim activity. Honestly if the Republican Congress were to vote to impeach and to remove Obama the country would vastly better off even if it meant nine years of Joe Biden as president.
And yet Obama is still searching for their motivation. All he knows is that it can't have anything to do with Islam or his favorite JV team. Is it any wonder that most people in this country laugh at our delusional elites?
"If you are afraid that other people are afraid, what should you do?"
Scream "Islamophobia!!!!!!"
"After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash."
Grow up, and you weird people employed by supposed news orgs, grow up even more so.
Where is the evidence of anti-Muslim backlash? Absent that, we're not responsible for their "feelings". Maybe they should go to any major university where they are bound to find a safe space.
How come nobody ever uses MySpace for such pledges?
So the Democrats and the MSM are acting true to form. Their first response to domestic terrorism by Muslims is not "how can we prevent this from happening again?" or "what about the victims?" - but to signal how they aren't bigots and worry about the innocent Muslims who *gasp* may be insulted by those knuckle-dragging 'muricans.
And of course, you can not have any incident of Islamic terror be reported without also reporting how Islamophobic Americans are and how "affected" by this prejudice peaceful American Muslims are. Cause shouting names at someone is EXACTLY like shooting up a holiday party and planning to use pipe bombs, exactly the same!
There was an anti-Trump article yesterday claiming Muslims felt just as other Americans did after 9-11. But the bulk of the article was expressing how their shock and outrage was driven by fear of a "backlash".
Certainly the far left was more concerned about the phantom backlash than 3,000 dead Americans, but do they think that was representative of most Americans? I'm constantly amazed supposedly intelligent people write stories apparently completely oblivious to the fact that their stories contradict their conclusions.
And people like Althouse still wonder how and why Trump is leading...
Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.
Muslims who say this are wrong. In fact American and Muslim officials work tirelessly to obscure this distinction with the full support of cultural elites (including Althouse) while the public insists on making it.
Amazing smoke and mirrors always comes from the Saudi financed embedded jihadists here at local mosque bases. Once they were only raising funds to exterminate Israel and trying hard to end Israel's US protection.
Now they have a Caliphate base established they are going all out to eliminate us first. Only Putin will call Obama on his hidden aid and comfort of ISIL.
If Muslim women insist on wearing the hajib in the US many would feel that this is a clear statement that they do not wish to assimilate to American customs. I realize that it is a religious question, but to some it will feel like being given the finger. Certainly the French think that is the case. The Muslim "community" is going to have to begin to deal with the fact that many of their customs are outdated and will be less and less acceptable to other Americans if we have continuing Islamist massacres throughout the world.
I've spent a lot of time in Muslim communities.
Lived in Jersey City for 5 years. That town is about 20% Muslim. I shop at the Farmers' Market in Patterson, NJ, which is entirely Muslim owned and operated. (This really isn't a farmers' in the hipster sense. It's a line of grocery shops and outdoor stalls along the railroad tracks owned by Muslims.)
Despite the fact that mosques in Jersey City were involved in 9/11 planning, nobody is bothering Muslims in that town. There were no attacks on mosques, nor were Muslims in full traditional dress bothered in any way, so far as I could tell. The State of Jersey provided huge financial subsidies to upgrade the infrastructure of the Farmers' Market. Big crowds shop there on weekends, and I don't see any problems.
I think that just about everybody is able to make a qualitative distinction about Muslims in the U.S. We know most are just here to make a living and raise their families. I don't have any doubt that many Muslim sleeper cells exist in Jersey City and Patterson. Fearing the activation of those sleeper cels isn't exactly an irrational "phobia." The Jihadis will be back, with the help of mosques, to stage an even more devastating attack on the Financial District in NYC. They said so, and I'm inclined to think they mean it.
What about allegiance to her baby?
Maybe they could stop providing a safe haven to the radicals.
Oh, no! Someone (allegedly) finds a book with holes in it and another is (allegedly) yelled at? The humanity!
Are those 14 people killed by the Islamic terrorists still dead?
> they would see that they are human just like you.
That's the problem right there. Humans are dangerous.
The story just makes it more scary. No one knew that they were planning terrorism. No one knew that they had been religiously radicalized. Their own families didn't know (as far as we know).
In other words, there is a movement in place now that can take pretty normal-looking Muslims and help them move into becoming mass murderers, completely online and hidden. Imagine what that's going to do to the way the rest of us think about America Muslims.
Maybe Muslims could help themselves by being a little more vocal about their opposition to Islamic Terrorism and a little less vocal about their disdain and hatred toward Israel and Jews.
Maybe they could be more vocal about their supporting the US Constitution as the law of the land, rather than Sharia.
They must be scared because I'm sure part of the problem is that when you are at Mosque, kneeling to the east, you know who the radicals are, and you are probably better off keeping your mouth shut for your own self-preservation.
Dammed if you do or don't.
I can't remember the source but the line that makes the rounds is "Muslims fear backlash from next Tuesday's bombing."
Note that she passed those tight DHS ME immigration screens. The ones we're using on Syrians
Not exactly; the 10,000 - or 65,000, or whatever - presumably would come from refugee camps, and if these people have spent appreciable time in the camps, that in itself is a better indication of innocence than any government "screening."
"I’m scared for other people, but this is an opportunity to show to people what Islam is, instead of what the media or ISIS shows.”
That's probably why all of these terrorists' families and religious leaders rushing to say that the terrorists were "very devout" Muslims and "great kids" and how "shocked" they are keeps backfiring.
What I'd like to hear is that the leaders of the local mosques these assholes went to repeatedly argued with them and warned the authorities about their violent beliefs and rhetoric.
I have not yet seen a pic of the Mrs. If they can't find one of her alive, can't we at least see what she looks like dead. I would think for investigative purposes it makes sense to show the world what she looked like.
The reaction to this has become surreal...........
Though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I fear no evil.
Or some such...
Non-Islamist and ex-Muslims need to organize and confront the CAIR narrative. CAIR and friends don't tell the truth and some other Muslims are going to have to.
Islamists should be booed out of the town square like white supremacists are.
If any of you have family or friends who really don't know how to feel until the media tells them how to feel, this could be a great opportunity, to borrow an already used word, to contrast how the media treated the Planned Parenthood shooting and the one in California. The differences are so stark that anyone with a working brain cell should be able to see it.
"They seem to be saying that they are afraid that they are feared. If you are afraid that other people are afraid, what should you do?" Whine, and whine some more. Play the role of the poor put-upon Muslim. Have CAIR get out in front of the story to say how very very sorry you are. But don't do a damn thing.
San Bernardino was a case of workplace violence. Any place is right for the work of jihad.
Finding out what is happening is today's world
Sources:
FBI - no, they are not going to reveal sources and future activities.
Main Stream media - no they are not going to depart from the narrative that climate change, Christians and the second Amendment are the cause of all evil and Vote for Hilary the answer.
The President - has no sources outside the golf course and his own head
Local media, bloggers and local police - acquire dribs and drabs
The Islamicists want a caliph and he would have political and social power. Forty percent of "Syrian refugees" blame the US and Israel for their problems and Obama is bringing these people into our country. The US security apparatus is keeping down plots from anyone outspoken or rational (Syed shot a Muslim from his former mosque.)
The police won't get there in time and, if possible, the left will have disarmed all your fellow citizens. The left will blame you for getting shot and exculpate the shooter.
The truth is we can count on our fellow Muslim citizens to support what the US stands for (no domination of the world by a caliphate or a left triumvirate) better than we can count on the left but Muslims are a "house divided" making choices in real time, right now.
We have four times as many eyes and ears as mouths - this indicates how often we should use them.
If Muslims fearing bad Americans really wanted to be taken seriously, then they should be the ones disarming their Jihadist cells down at the mosque. They all know who they are. And quit playing Obama's tricks to disarm American targets.
But after Ghadaffy disarmed to show his good will tothe USA, Obama and Clinton took over and immediately stoked the ISIL revolt all over the middle east and slaughtered Ghadaffy for becoming a good moderate allied with us and tried to kill Egypt's Mubarrack for the same crimes against ISIL.
If true, perhaps we can stop the BS about workplace violence due to provocations, and move to seeing what we can do, if anything, to mitigate further such events.
"Pop-up" jihadism is occurring in the US, thankfully at a low level. That "low" level is no comfort whatever to those who lost dear ones in this attack.
We are going to have to deal with it.
I kind of like the Geller approach. Stage an event or events that will be natural targets, and see if you can draw them in. It's impossible to be always on the defense everywhere. http://pamelageller.com/
We don't have to kill too many of these people - probably only a few hundred. But we do have to kill those few hundred as quickly as possible. Anyone who doesn't get that is still in fantasy world.
Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.
"Muslims fear backlash from tomorrow's bombing." It's an evergreen joke. Maybe moderate Muslims have a problem they need to address. Moderate whites needed to address the KKK. It's not like this is an unprecidented ask, and no, Muslims were not dragged here in chains or subject to genocidal wars, as so many Africans and Amerinds were, so no, concessions that the country owes to blacks and aboriginals do not apply.
"We’re just as upset about what’s going on and how people are being hurt. It’s devastating to us as well.”...
Thing is, only you can fix it. We can't.
One of the commenters here (I apologize for forgetting who) had a good point. It's gone past the point that Muslims decrying terror is a sufficient response (not that there's been a whole lot of that anyway). Surely an acquaintance of these two must have noticed something. The "Good Muslims" have to start turning these people in. Until that starts happening, I am growing increasingly unsympathetic to their plight.
Regarding your question over the plight of Muslims: "They seem to be saying that they are afraid that they are feared. If you are afraid that other people are afraid, what should you do?"
Who on this site has Muslim friends? I do. One of my brothers does. Good friends, the types of friends with whom we can talk about this stuff.
First, in terms of the general population's wrath, the type of abuse described is very disturbing to me and the victims, but it is rather mild. Simply declaring allegiance to the US and the Constitution would be enough to stop it - so if you had a business, putting up a banner saying "The attack in San Bernadino was an attack on me too - I am an American who supports the Constitution" would evoke a lot of community support.
BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND that these horrible people with their horrible ideology would then preemptively target any such Muslim. The word "takfir" is very important. In their twisted ideology, any Muslim who disavows the caliphate is a traitor who must be killed. And they do try to kill such people first.
Therefore if you want to protect American Muslim populations who are not at war with the US Constitution, you should not bring in Syrian refugees. Quite a few of those refugees do believe in this type of thing and have been warring on Muslims. Nor should one put a Muslim on the spot by asking their allegiance, because if they declare it for the US, they will become a prime target for these monsters.
It is so sad. My brother knows a Muslim who is bringing his kids up Christian because of this. It's not right to be forced to do that, but this man's fear is not irrational at all.
A Muslim living in an American high-density Muslim area can not come out and say that he or she is against these people safely. Not publicly.
Why doesn't the USA put a $25/bbl on OPEC oil?
At $60 bbl America can be free of OPEC and bring jobs back here.
Let's do something!
Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.
That is because it is impossible to tell the difference between a Muslim who is about to go on a murder spree and a Muslim with no ties to terrorism.
Just ask Farook's coworkers.
The survivors, that is.
Dan Hossley: It appears that "muslim backlash" is people "being mean" to muslims. There's not a real backlash -- i.e., serious retaliation, so as usual, they (the muslims and msm) have to exaggerate the peril.
I've always felt that muslims have to solve the majority of this radicalization problem, themselves. If they sense a backlash from the community, then that might be the impetus they need to get off their collective rears and start to root out the radicals in their midst - they know who 90% of them are. However, I seriously doubt the tales of miscellaneous threats and intimidation that are supposedly coming from the general public - has anyone other than a self-reporting, witnessless muslim ever cooraborated this type of discrimination or threats toward muslims in the US, or is this just more CAIR propaganda? Really, 30 bullet holes in a Koran left by the door to a shop. Exactly how does one put 30 holes in a book that's 8 x 10 or so and have anything left at all? I'm throwing the bullshit flag on this one.
CAIR has close ties to terrorist organizations like Hamas. It might help the U.S. Muslim cause if they advocate through groups that don't support terror anywhere including in Israel.
ATF is now saying that the guns were illegal in California because they had been altered to fire full auto.
Shouting Thomas -- I'm glad you changed your meds so you can sound like a semi-normal person.
As I said on the previous post, not even the WAPO readers are buying this "backlash" storyline. The Coastal Media Elite has gone off the rails.
One of the most disturbing things about our current situation is that the non-radicalized Moslems apparently can't tell THEMSELVES who the radicalized ones are. One of the shooters in Paris was a Belgian citizen who operated a bar where illegal drugs were traded, and his family apparently had no idea that underneath his extremely secular exterior, he was actually radically religious. (I saw that report early - maybe it was disproven by later info, I don't know.)
As for San Bernardino, this morning I watched a TV interview with the male shooter's sister. She said that her family had no idea that her brother or his wife were radicalized or capable of such actions, and she was absolutely persuasive about her grief, bewilderment and remorse. Either she's an Oscar-caliber actress - which, of course, is possible - or she was telling the truth. Other than her head scarf, she came across as a perfectly ordinary American woman expressing feelings any Westerner would recognize. I don't want decent people to suffer from bigotry any more than anyone else does, but if those closest to the radicalized Muslims can't tell who they are, how the heck are the rest of us supposed to? Under these circumstances, doesn't rationality require being at least a little suspicious of all of them?
Osama is dead and GM is alive!
Hoax and chains. Potempkin villages all the way down.
Posted previously, but more applicable here:
Sad, but the people who were shot and killed would probably have said -- on the day before -- that their co-worker Farook was one of the 'Good' Muslims.
I am Laslo.
"American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment.... Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims."
Sh*t bro, trying being a Jew in Paris.
The backlash against the hijab is silly. As President, Bill Clinton himself was the recipient of a hijab, from Monica Lewinsky. He didn't seem to mind it at all.
We all know that the Left/MSM decries any sort of generalization by group or nationality, unless it involves white folks. So.
NRA membership: About 5 million
Muslim population in the USA: Estimated at 5 to 7 million.
Anyone have figures on relative rates of murder and/or mass shootings?
It's all propaganda. Musims are brave enough to withstand an iron religion of constant misery whose only good times are celebrating the slaughter of the weak infidels. So they can easily withstand being exposed for their evil Mohammedan plans.
Kurt Vonnegut wrote an article about how his family stopped being German after Pearl Harbor. Ixnay on the Beethoven records. They didn't make it a point to start wearing lederhosen in public. It was not a time to celebrate the beauty and glory of German culture,although there was considerably less prejudice then than after WWI. The Italians also had a hard time. Joe Dimaggio's father and the other Italian fishermen were not allowed to take their boats out. He was not even allowed to open the restaurant on Fisherman's Wharf. I read Mrs. Trollope's book about her journeys in America in the 1820's, which was not so long after the War of 1812. She caught a considerable amount of flack every time she opened her mouth and people discovered she was English.......The Muslims don't have it so bad. There's considerably more demonizing and stereotyping of NRA members than there is of Muslims.
Big f'n deal. A few people get called names. So what?
And 30 bullets in a KOran? Sound like BS to me. A guy goes
somewhere, buys a Koran, takes it some plave where he can shoot it thirty times without the cops being called, then, drops it off on her doorstep? Riiight!
How much abuse can one Koran take?
"Backlash"? Horseshit.
The muzzos have run hundreds of attacks and attempted attacks on US soil in the past ten or twenty years. Let me count the number of reprisal attacks in response...........
Oh yeah, none.
Quite frankly, I'd like to see a little more backlash. Something to show the people of this nation have a spine and will stand up for their nation and their culture. FFS, in Britain they're sawing the heads off people in public streets, and the bystanders are getting accolades for their "understanding and tolerance" for chatting up the guy waving a butcher knife and a severed head!
The day the "backlash" body count exceeds the terrorist body count, I'll say it's a problem.
It is so sad. My brother knows a Muslim who is bringing his kids up Christian because of this. It's not right to be forced to do that, but this man's fear is not irrational at all.
I was thinking about just this scenario this morning. A small contingent of people have left my Church because of its gay-marriage stance. For many, it was a lifestyle/ tribal issue---you know we don't want our children or our family associated with something so backwards. When does that happen to more mainstream Muslims? Do they just give up?
Obama: US Safe Against ISIS Attack
This guy's timing is so bad, it's almost comedy. Peggy Noonan called it right after Paris. He's irrelevant.
Even though the wife posted her loyalty to ISIS, the White House will have to say this is not and "ISIS" attack.
Whether or not there was direct support from ISIS, this is exactly what ISIS wants to cultivate. The do-it-yourself attack.
But, we're it's all ok. Put your guns back above the mantle. We've got it under control.
How could she be posting to face book during the attack? That doesn't make sense.
American Muslims need to clean their own house. Get rid of the toxic imans, literature, and sermons, and rat out the hard core in their midst.
Exactly how does one put 30 holes in a book that's 8 x 10 or so and have anything left at all? I'm throwing the bullshit flag on this one.
Maybe it was a BB gun?
Putting aside al-qaeda, ISIS, whatever particular faction of radical Islam, the other problem for Muslims in the US is that Muslim-controlled countries are shitholes and Americans know it. Turkey is the best of the worst and no same American would of live under Turkish law.
So the question is, the countries you or your parents/grandparents/ancestors are shit holes. You're here so it's beyond dispute you agree. So why bring that bullshit here? What about the Koran and Islamic law has led the anything but totally shit nations.
The backlash or suspicion of fear isn't just terrorism. It's that your religion has led to countries none of us think are anything but shitholes.
It is developing that it was a Cherchez la Femme. He married a Terrorist, says his sister.
A lot of talk about normal Muslims doing something about the crazies. Who would you call to report them? The crazies are worse than gang members. Would you snitch on an extremist who would have no problem murdering your entire family? And, who has an entire network of other crazies willing to do the job for him? Easier said than done.
"William said...
Kurt Vonnegut wrote an article about how his family stopped being German after Pearl Harbor. Ixnay on the Beethoven records. They didn't make it a point to start wearing lederhosen in public. It was not a time to celebrate the beauty and glory of German culture,although there was considerably less prejudice then than after WWI.
12/4/15, 11:10 AM"
+1.
I remember stories about my great-grandmother. During WWI, her mother quietly went from being a German immigrant to being from Alsace-Loraine, which conveniently was a part of France after the war.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345744/San-Bernardino-gunman-s-family-lawyer-says-don-t-believe-official-account-massacre.html
Rather than deal with reality the family, through a lawyer, is now claiming the event was staged.
A lawyer representing the family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook has questioned accounts of the massacre which saw Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik kill 14 at a holiday party on Wednesday morning.
Attorney David Chesley said they doubted the accuracy of information released by the police and FBI.
Farook, 28, and his Pakistan-born wife Malik, 27, died in a gun battle with police after the mass shooting at the Inland Regional Center.
To illustrate his point, Chesley made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described in the official narrative. 'There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,' he said. 'But it doesn't seem plausible to us that this petite woman [Malik] would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario. 'There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not. 'But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don't know.'
Bennetta Betbadal fled to America with her family to "escape Islamic extremism and the persecution of Christians that followed Iranian Revolution."
One of the victims.
Top providing a safe space for radical islam, might be a first step.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/lynch-warns-against-anti-muslim-backlash-216421
Right on cue our attorney general explains she's not worried about deaths but about hurt feelings.
"My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."
What backlashes? How do people this stupid end up so high in government?
Attorney General Loretta Lynch told a group of Muslims in Washington last night that her 'greatest fear' since the Paris terror attack is retaliatory violence against members of the religion.
Not a concern, not a worry, not an additional fear - no, it's her "greatest fear", presumably coming somewhere behind fear of a dirty bomb in Times Square or a suitcase nuke in DC. It's idiocy like this that's going to lead to more anti-Muslim sentiment. When the people think that their leaders are on top of things, then they are more likely to remain calm and not lash out at random Muslims. When people believe, correctly, that their leaders are mush-minded idiots who are incapable of defending the USA (or maybe don't really care to), then they will lash out, blindly and stupidly, and innocent Muslims (and Sikhs) will get hurt. Obama needs to be able to say, with credibility, "Don't worry, we've got this". But he doesn't and he can't.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346148/Attorney-General-s-greatest-fear-isn-t-Islamic-terrorism-s-attacks-Muslims-backlash-wake-shootings.html#ixzz3tNLBeWEp
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Islam is a big question mark to most of us. We welcome immigrants who really desire to assimilate...to enjoy our American dreams. Islam seems to preclude the assimilation required to be acceptable; as such, it appears to be more of a politic than a religion to many of us. Our culture is unique and has been evolving with each generation and has incorporated the assimilation of many cultures without the total abandonment of the basic principles intrinsic to our society. Islam seems to preclude assimilation without eviscerating itself.
Twitter is now having fun referring to Obama as "Baghdad Bob".
"Shock and awe? It seems that we are the awe on them. They are suffering from the shock and awe, okay?"
My information was correct, but my interpretations were not, he explained.
Here's what gets me about the left's reaction. They can't admit that the world has a problem here. The problem is that there are over a billion Muslims in the world (I think it's actually about 1.5 billion isn't it?) and a too-large portion of them (15-30%) sympathize with violent jihad. Most of us know Muslims who are fine people -- I know I do. But that's beside the point. The world has a problem when there are 150 million or more people who support this stuff. Sugarcoating that, like the left does, is far less helpful than the expression of "thoughts and prayers" that they openly mocked.
Depends what your definition of ISIS
Tea Party people get more "backlash" than this. I like the comment about being a Jew in Paris. Or, for that matter it seems being a blond attractive woman in Germany around the new "immigrants".
It seems that our new Atty. General is more concerned about backlash than gunflash.
Religion, everyone? To perhaps be too reductionistic about this, aren’t the causes of the problem, tribalism and envy and anger, dispositions with which we humans seem to have evolved? What motivated the tragedy that Hitler’s Germany wreaked upon the world? What motivated Stalin and his cohorts to be such bad asses? What motivated the tragedy of North Korea’s invasion of South Korea? What motivated the tragedy of the American military venture in Vietnam? What motivated Timothy McVeigh to kill more than 150 people in Oklahoma City?
80 % of he mosques support jihad against the west. There are no moderates only the religious and non religious. Islam needs a reformation and it will not happen soon.
Islam needs a reformation
Everyone knows the old aphorism, "Don't jump to conclusions." And, in general, we agree with it. Yes, we know a few Muslims in our community, who seem like perfectly friendly, sane, lovely people. We absolutely don't want to "jump to the conclusion" that they support terror campaigns by Radical Islam.
But, there should be a corollary to this aphorism, i.e., "Don't resist conclusions that are staring you in the face." Althouse has problems with this one. The Left has major problems with it.
San Bernandino was an act of terrorism by Radical Islam. Ditto Charlie Hebdo. Ditto Paris, last month. Ditto the Fort Hood Army doctor. The dittos are too long to list again.
President Obama resists this conclusion. He ignores the likelihood that within the tens of thousands of Syrian refugees, sprinkled within will be young, radicalized men like this murderous thug Farook.
He also resists the conclusion that most of the Arab Muslim world is backwards and violent. No, I'm not talking about Indonesia and Turkey, I'm talking about Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and the like.
And, if moderate Muslims are virtually powerless to stop the extremist elements within their Muslim community, well, we're less worried about their feelings or the latest pronouncement by CAIR, and more interested in punishing Radical Islam.
Them are the facts.
I heard on NPR this a.m. a Southern Baptist Convention rep saying that it's good that American society is so inclusive as to give a voice to atheists and other anti-religious forces as they provide a clear definition of the difference between Christianity and what is called "Christian" in today's America, and that it forces Christians to be able to define, understand, and communicate their beliefs.
Is there a Muslim analog to this statement/view? For instance, are Muslims glad that there is a Jewish state to clearly provide a contrast between two religions, two ways of life?
American Muslims have been on the offense since 9-12-01, scripting the fiction that despite what your eyes see and your mind comprehends they are the victims. They have yearned all these years for retribution which has not come outside some nut job in Wisconsin not knowing the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.
So after every attack by a Muslim the Muslim community acts scared and they are given voice by the WaPo and the NYT who agree that the biggest problem we have in America short of global warming is Islamaphobia.
I swear, no joke, last night Erin Burnett actually asked one of her "expert" guests if what drove Tashfeen Malik to commit this act of terror mass was post partum depression.
I wonder who ties her shoes for her?
Intellectually Curious
Many modern telephones are called "Smart Phones" which allow the user to access the world wide web or "internet." Amazingly this can be done from the phone itself which is not connected to wires but sends signals back and forth through the ether. So even in the middle of escaping from an attack you can go "online" and "post" a few words about what you are doing. It is not exactly a "chat" or even a "tweet" but more like a "look what I'm doing now" kind of thing.
Here's another instance of the left trying to hide the problem we face. In Obama's big speech to the Muslim world, he quoted 5:32 of the Koran as saying "...whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind." That's badly out of context. Here is the actual relevant passage -- 5:32-33:
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
We are all, in the viewpoint of too many of the followers of this book, wag[ing] war against Allah and spreading mischief in the land. How do those people read that passage? It's not quite as Obama paints it.
Consider this.
Let's suppose you're a terrorist. Or, a radical person bent on destruction and murder. Do you suppose you're going to tell a friend? Famiky? Anyone?
There is a very good reason why many of these mass shootings are done by "lone wolves" and that's because if you tell someone, they will turn your ass in!
Here we have at least two people, Muslims, who did the work together. How does this happen? Is there a 1-800-Jihad number you call? Of course not.
Do you think these two people met by coincidence and one night just so happened to mention, "Hey, want to kill a bunch of people for Allah with me?"
Well, if you believe that then I've got a bridge to sell you.
And this is why Trump is doing so well. Because those of us who aren't ivory tower smart have a little common sense. And we see the the Islamic community is a breeding ground for these types. That they arent turning them in. That they feel safe and comfortable talking amongst themselves about this stuff. That they have words and phrases that they use to signal to one another just how radical they are.
In the Christian Church, we know who belongs to the different groups. There are those who believe you need to be baptized. Those who have communion every week. Those who believe you need to perform rituals for forgiveness and those who speak in tongues. We have ways of signaling to each other where we stand in Christianity, whether we are more liberal Christians or more Conservative Christians.
Why should Islam be any different?
You don't go meet your Jihad partner on JihadiBrides.com. You don't live on one income salary of 50k a year and have all the weapons and ammo these people had.
Because we have given up the Bush doctrine of fight them over there instead of over here, and adopted the Obama doctrine of run away, we are in for a tough decade folks. Because they are over here now and more are coming and they know how to find one another.
I wonder if this is how dhimmitude takes root in a new land?
The most devout jihadis commit some outrage against an infidel group, and the more moderate Muslims, together with the secular authorities anxious to prevent civil unrest, caution against any retaliation or backlash against the supposedly peaceful Muslim majority. Rinse and repeat over decades until the infidels are driven from the public square into their own ghettoes (or just give up and convert).
The media effort will bear fruit. Anyone recall the neighbor saying he was suspicious of the group of mid-eastern men coming and going to the shooters residence at night. He found it highly suspicious. But did not report it because he did not want to appear racist.
Nope, wouldn't want THAT.
"steve uhr said...
I have not yet seen a pic of the Mrs. If they can't find one of her alive, can't we at least see what she looks like dead. I would think for investigative purposes it makes sense to show the world what she looked like."
Pretty sure there were photos of her dead in a pool of her own blood, on San Bernardino Blvd. Shot dead and left to rot like the animal she was.
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The Muslim Backlash articles are similar to the Racism on Campus articles. I keep searching for concrete examples that support the level of grievance, but can't find it.
It's like digging through the tissue paper in a gift box and never finding an actual present. The whole point, it turns out, was the attractive packaging.
Why the hell are they allowing media go go through the apartment? What does that hand to the defense lawyer for the killer's mother?
Yes, the mother. Did she not find it unusual that her son and daughter in law were collecting weapons and ammunition and building explosive devices?
Just wondering.
I'm having trouble believing that nobody in their community had any idea that these preparations were going on. It's possible but the issue merits a close check.
If you are afraid that other people are afraid, what should you do?
Well I tell you what you don't do. You don't make a strong statement against the violence being done on your behalf. No, that you should never do.
This is probably a good time for this reminder:
A Pew survey of Muslims in the U.S. shows that 13% say they support suicide bombings. (Nearly 1 in 4 younger U.S. Muslims support suicide bombings.) I’m not good at math, but 13% of 2.35 million U.S. Muslims means that 305,000 U.S. Muslims support suicide bombings.
BONUS: Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.
My opinion is that Americans thought little of the Muslims in their midst before 9/11, but have noticed them since. It's not that non-Muslims see evidence of open support for terrorism. It's that they've notice for 14 years a lack of effort by U.S. Muslims to get their religious brethren to stop killing us. Like Sherlock Holmes, they notice that the dog didn't bark.
I think most people have enough sense not to blame all Muslims. But heightened suspicion? It's inevitable. Deal with it.
MSNBC conducted an interesting and rather touching interview with three young men who knew the male killer because they attended the same mosque. They seemed genuinely shocked and sad about what had happened. They said very firmly that their mosque was not a place of radical statement and planning. In that they were quite believable. (They could be good actors but that was not my impression.)
They also seemed fatalaistic about the scrutiny that they were going to be getting. I'm sure they don't like it but they seemed smart enough to know that it comes with the territory when people are killing random innocents in the name of your religion.
It is interesting to remember that Barack Hussain Obama's education admission at Elite Schools was sponsored by and paid for by a Saudi Arabian Sheikh who was also funding Muslim Mosques and propagand teams through out the USA and inside its Government.
The religion of peace wants to see us Christians at peace... at room temperature that is.
It is meaningless to say 'Islam is the religion of peace' when Islam's founder used war to spread his religion.
It is meaningless to say 'the Koran says there can be no coercion in religion' when Islam's founder used coercion to spread his religion.
To illustrate his point, Chesley made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described in the official narrative. 'There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,' he said. 'But it doesn't seem plausible to us that this petite woman [Malik] would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario. 'There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not. 'But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don't know.'
The full monty version of this is the people who believe that the killings at Sandy Hook never happened. There's a book and websites.
Totally wacko but there you have it.
Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocate's 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her "greatest fear" is the "incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric" in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech. She said:
"The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence. My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."
Assuring the pro-Muslim group that "we stand with you," Lynch said she would use her Justice Department to protect Muslims from "violence" and discrimination.
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"One recent evening, Haneen Jasim, 22, a University of Cincinnati pre-med student who wears the hijab, said she had just left a Starbucks where she was studying for an exam when a man approaching in a car began honking his horn. With his window rolled down, he began shouting insults at her and called her a terrorist."
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I would like to be sympathetic to this, but I just can't. There's been too many of these stories that have been proven either to be exaggerations or completely 100% untrue, made-up in order to cultivate the accuser's sense of victim-hood.
I find it sort of amusing at this point that the reaction in the media is always "fearing backlash" which, of course, never actually happens.
(I mean, historically, it looks like completely unconnected Sikhs have more to fear from "anti-Muslim backlash" than Muslims do.
That's bad enough.)
I mean, perhaps eventually it will, I guess, if this goes on long enough with assurances that "Islam Has Nothing To Do With It", rather than a more realistic "Obviously Some Brand Of Islam Has To Do With It, But That's Not The Islam Of Must Muslims".
I get that that's what people mean by "religion of peace" and all that, but it'd be nice if the State and Media treated us like adults who can understand a little more nuance than that, you know?
David said...
Why the hell are they allowing media go go through the apartment? What does that hand to the defense lawyer for the killer's mother?
Yes, the mother. Did she not find it unusual that her son and daughter in law were collecting weapons and ammunition and building explosive devices?
Just wondering.
I'm having trouble believing that nobody in their community had any idea that these preparations were going on. It's possible but the issue merits a close check
Their neighbors have indicated that they did think "something" was amiss, but did not report it because they did not want to be called bigots, be ostrasized, lose their jobs, be sued, etc.
I'm starting to consider the American .media is actively trying to do harm to this country.
Forget the stupid memes thy come up. They are now going into secured crime scenes during an active investigation and drawing all evidence into question??! This is rediculous!
Such are the wages of climate change.
I do not wish to indict an entire people for the actions of some, but sometimes I fear the reasonableness of that perspective is mere veneer:
One time, I was following behind a Muslim family shopping at Costco. It was a hot summer day. She was dressed head to toe in black (full hijab and jilbab, but her face was not covered). He was dressed comfortably in shorts, tee shirt and sandals. She pushed the cart with their two children in it. He walked ahead pointing at various items on the shelves which she dutifully would put in their cart. I wanted to grab this woman and give her a good shaking while I delivered a few choice words to her husband.
A few years ago I was in Battery Park where a Muslim family was trying (unsuccessfully) to hail a cab. They appeared to be tourists. The father and son were dressed with a certain formality, but appropriately for New York in August. The mother/wife was dressed in a full-on burka. We had just come from the World Trade Center memorial. I had to fight an almost irresistible impulse to rip that burka off her body and tell them all to go back to whatever hellhole they came from.
These are visceral reactions. They make me neither happy nor proud. I understand how the ordinary Muslim must feel, but they should consider understanding how I feel as well.
"...found a Koran, riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door..."
Not 30, more than 30. That's one big Koran, or one tiny gun. Like others above, I call bullshit. At least she made a police report as well as notifying CAIR, LOL, who provided a quote for the article. Organization with vested interest in backlash issues statement. What did the cops have to say, we don't know. They're not quoted, nor does the resporter indicate an attempt to contact them.
CAIR - they're everywhere. We may need to change the joke to CAIR issues press release regarding next tuesday's attack.
"Following the Paris attacks, there has been an uptick in violent attacks on Muslims and threats against mosques across the country."
Here is the list of "violent attacks on Muslims":
1. Threatening calls to a mosque in St. Petersburg, Florida
(The caller even left his name!)
2. Acts of vandalism at the Islamic Center of Pflugerville, Texas
(looks like a wet, torn koran)
3. Threats to “shoot up a mosque” near Houston
(He "wrote to a friend").
4. Islamic Center vandalized in Omaha, Nebraska
(Eiffel Tower peace sign spray-painted).
5. Mosque fired upon in Connecticut
("FBI is investigating bullet holes that were discovered")
6. Muslim student’s dorm room vandalized in Connecticut
(Someone wrote "killed Paris" on his home made dorm room name tag).
7. Man calls 911 to threaten to shoot Muslims in Oklahoma
(Crazy guy, shot by cops).
8. Armed protesters gather outside mosque in Irving, Texas
(former home of the Littlest Genius).
The most interesting aspect of this article is all the Muslims saying that up to now they had never felt any anti-Muslim animus. Never. After 9-11 and years of numerous other Muslim attacks across the country, and even more numerous warnings about and fears of anti-Muslim backlash, these Muslims had never felt threatened or targeted. Which supports the point of view that the "anti-Muslim backlash" is a fraudulent issue employed as a deflective tactic to stifle legitimate concerns and actions after an Islamic terrorist attack.
What I recall post 9/11/2001 was that Americans bent over backward to avoid giving offense to Muslims. I also recall the reaction of CAIR, which was an organization I'd never heard of previously. CAIR's reaction was, essentially, you'd better not give offense to Muslims if you know what's good for you. CAIR's press conference yesterday seemed to be a slight moderation of that stance.
If I recall, the AG is in charge of the Justice Department, which includes the FBI, yes? Apparently they are so busy chasing backlashers that they could not be bothered to properly secure the Jihadi Honeymooners' apartment, and just released the scene back to the landlord despite the presence of shredded documents (which can be reconstructed with appropriate software) and IDs. I guess they're trying real hard to find the links to overseas terror groups.
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=360408
The problem for Muslims is that Islam is a universal religion marred by a left-wing ideology, which is notorious for spreading through coercion and violence.
"Not exactly; the 10,000 - or 65,000, or whatever - presumably would come from refugee camps, and if these people have spent appreciable time in the camps, that in itself is a better indication of innocence than any government "screening.""
You're a little fuzzy on the whole "sleeper cell" idea, aren't you?
A Muslim living in an American high-density Muslim area can not come out and say that he or she is against these people safely. Not publicly.
If it is true that their safety is at risk from their fellow Muslims if they speak out against Islamic terrorism then that is actually an indictment of the Muslim-American community in general. If the Muslim-American community as a group was really assimilated and adjusted to the American culture there would be no fear of retaliation for speaking out against jihad.
Also: To my mind it is never up to any host culture to assimilate newcomers; that responsibility always resides squarely with the newcomers themselves. I get a little tired of MSM idiots sadly intoning that France did not “assimilate” their Muslims – as if that was France’s fault and not the French Muslim community’s fault.
Islam needs a reformation …
Actually we are witnessing the reformation of Islam; we are in the midst of it.
A religious reformation is a return to fundamentals and a rejection of corruption, as defined by religious purists. Reformation explains al Qaeda, ISIS, and every other Islamic terrorist group. Reformation explains 9/11, explains Ft. Hood and this latest shooting in San Bernardino. Osama bin Laden was the Muslim version of Luther.
What about allegiance to her baby?
That baby should be raised by a nice Christian.
Like loyal muslims today, there were loyal Catholics during England's civil war. The Gunpowder plot, which was planned by Catholics (Robert Catesby, Guy Fawkes, and others), and exposed by a Catholic (William Parker, Baron of Monteagle). Catholics suffered under the rule of the Protestant government, and had fewer rights in comparison to their Protestant countrymen. But England also remained independent of Rome, and flourished as a nation.
Would a similar template be possible today?
Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocate's 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her "greatest fear" is the "incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric" in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech.
How can we take this administration seriously?
For FWIW, of all Muslims, there appear to be 10% or more involved in active terrorism. Of the rest, there are probably less than 5% who are atheists, agnostics, apostates, liberals, etc. who can be considered "moderate". The rest are likely to "disapprove" of the killings. But for my money, anytime these "uninvolved" Muslims get to be the majority, ANY moderation goes out the window. It's dangerous to allow people who do not truly believe in religious freedom to live in a democratic society. They can never assimilate.
Is it time yet to declare لقرآن a document advocating the violent overthrow of the Federal Government?
"The Democrats' disconnect from reality and reason is scary."
It's not just the Democrats.
"And people like Althouse still wonder how and why Trump is leading..."
Anyone who has any faith in the innate intelligence or ability of the American people to see through the fear-mongering propaganda of our leaders and the media must wonder why Trump is leading. Those who don't have such faith don't wonder at all.
Jack Wayne, please explain where you get the 10% number.
Which group is more disliked by the media and Hollywood - moslems or pro-lifers? Moslems or right-wingers? Why?
I would like someone show with statistics why they think American pro-lifers are more violent than American moslems.
"Why doesn't the USA put a $25/bbl on OPEC oil?
"At $60 bbl America can be free of OPEC and bring jobs back here."
Our blessed "job creators" (sic) don't want to create jobs that'll require they pay American wages or meet American job safety standards. That's why they're taking their jobs overseas to begin with.
What is safer to do in US - to mock pro-lifers, demand (and get) funding for abortion, insult anyone who disagrees with abortions - or to mock Mohammed?
"Muslim's worried about backlash following tomorrow's train bombing" - Washington Post
"One recent evening, Haneen Jasim, 22, a University of Cincinnati pre-med student who wears the hijab, said she had just left a Starbucks where she was studying for an exam when a man approaching in a car began honking his horn. With his window rolled down, he began shouting insults at her and called her a terrorist."
One recent evening, Jim-Bob Byrd, a 22 year old student said he had just left Starbucks wearing his traditional white robe and pointy head covering when ....
Breaking News meets Entering News.
"The Democrats' disconnect from reality and reason is scary."
Robert Cook: "It's not just the Democrats.
"But I was getting the cookie for you Daddy! You don't want it? ...Can I have it?" - Bill Cosby
I think Democrats have become immune to shame. Must be all that success in raising awareness for something or other.
I have not yet seen a pic of the Mrs. If they can't find one of her alive, can't we at least see what she looks like dead. I would think for investigative purposes it makes sense to show the world what she looked like."
Maybe the only ones to be found have her in a burqa, eyes shaded and obscured by gauze screen.
I am not "fuzzy on the sleeper cell idea." I do say that the odds on terrorists from the people "processed" in these camps (BTW - do these U.N. camps actually exist, or are they another pie in the sky projected by this administraton?) are less than from jihadists entering by other routes, or for that matter, from self-radicalized second or third generation U.S. Moslem citizens, which is mostly what we have seen so far.
The Syrian, more or less, refugees that we see migrating into Europe cannot walk here. The TV media are wrong in flashing these images along with the talk about settling refugees from U.N. camps here. The European problem is a more serious version of what we have on our Mexican border which includes drug smugglers from Columbia, gang members from San Salvador, disgruntled communists from Venezuela, and yes, jihadists and God knows what from the Middle East and elsewhere.
People know we are being lied to by this administration, and they are right in being upset and wanting changes to be made, but the problem is much larger and more serious than what can be seen under the streetlight.
There were only a small number of Nazis who believed Jews should be exterminated, but there were enough sympathetic, and enough who didn't want to get involved, to allow the Nazis to grow into a world-dominating force that killed millions over a period of less than a decade.
And yes, it became common to suspect "Nazi sympathizers" during and after the war.
This is not an easy issue by any means but unfortunately it is not an issue that can be ignored or wished away. A state, predicated upon religious mandate, has formed with the explicit goals of territorial expansion, subjugation of others, and killing of infidels. They are Sunni Muslim in background and according to the latest numbers I've seen have 30-50k active military members who are dominating a sizable amount of land and millions of people.
Sunni is the #1 sect of Islam - and ISIS has been surviving/thriving in a Sunni-dominated area of the world despite bombing campaigns and severe resistance by a number of non-Muslim countries.
But let's go on for a second: Iran, the largest Shia Muslim country, routinely is led by an entire parliament who uses "Death to America" as a standard rallying cry.
Is Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, UAE....any of the middle east....Afghanistan....Northern Africa....Are any of these predominantly Muslim countries waging war against ISIS? Declaiming ISIS and working against them openly?
It is not Islamophobia that notices these things, it's human nature to identify threats from a given group.
Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.
I decry their Americaphobia. There is no place for that kind of racism in the 21st century (yes, racism - Americans are a race as surely as Muslims are).
CWJ said...
"...found a Koran, riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door..."
Not 30, more than 30. That's one big Koran, or one tiny gun.
Maybe the perp fired once through 30 pages and counted each one as a "bullet hole".
I hope whoever took the police report asked if the book bled from its wounds.
if Muslims want to demonstrate they are peaceful and reject radical Islam they are going to have to step it up and start turning in the radicals in their midst.
Letting the media into the apt leaves me speechless. The sink was full of dishes. If they had been checked for prints they wouldn't be in the sink. Maybe they had a guest for their last meal.
Rash of squirrel attacks in Marin County prompt warning
Delenda est Islam.
/4/15, 10:41 AM
Blogger MaxedOutMama said...
"A Muslim living in an American high-density Muslim area can not come out and say that he or she is against these people safely. Not publicly."
You realize that what you are saying, is that "an American high-density Muslim area" is territory controlled by ISIS. It is part of the Caliphate.
Robert Cook said...
"Anyone who has any faith in the innate intelligence or ability of the American people to see through the fear-mongering propaganda of our leaders and the media must wonder why Trump is leading."
So, Cookie, is there any other nation whose people you hate and despise? Or do you only hate and despise Americans?
"Their neighbors have indicated that they did think "something" was amiss, but did not report it because they did not want to be called bigots, be ostrasized, lose their jobs, be sued, etc."
While I believe that Muslims must step up and police their own community if this is ever to end, I am sympathetic to the risks that entails. The people who earn my utter contempt are the left who employ their self-serving PC-shaming tactics to the detriment of all.
Where are the others that were shooting with her husband while she was posting on Facebook? The witnesses have said that there were two shooters, maybe three. Where are they? Why don't we know anything about them? Is anyone looking for them or we going to wait until they hit another soft target.
@ Robert Cook
Anyone who has any faith in the innate intelligence or ability of the American people to see through the fear-mongering propaganda of our leaders and the media must wonder why Trump is leading. Those who don't have such faith don't wonder at all.
You're half right about this, but, most critically, you're half-wrong -- on the most important point.
Yes, there is some fear-mongering propaganda. But you miss, that there is genuine fear. The people of France have now lived through 2 vicious massacres by Muslim extremists, don't you think their fear is valid?
Now, the folks in San Berdoo, have lived though a vicious massacre by Muslim extremists, who, until the attack, were said to be reasonably modest and assimilated. Don't you think the folks in San Berdoo are rightfully fearful? And, when people are afraid and feel vulnerable, don't you think it's natural to migrate towards the strong man, the man who will stand up to PC nonsense and Muslim terror? I'm not saying that I'm in their shoes, but those feelings and responses seem totally normal and justifiable to me, and cannot be so breezily dismissed.
The difference between a radical Muslim and a moderate Muslim is that the radical Muslim wants to kill infidels, while the moderate Muslim either wants the radical Muslim to kill infidels or else doesn't really care if the radical Muslim kills infidels.
I've written here before about how Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. They cannot and will not assimilate into our society, because our beliefs and customs are anathema to them. They shouldn't be allowed to come here, period, any more than we let swarms of Russians and other communists come here during the Cold War, and for the same reason.
I had a discussion about this with a liberal the day before the attack took place, and he gave me some folderol about some survey that said Muslims in America were becoming more assimilated and less extremist. I look forward to hearing what he has to say about this American-born Muslim terrorist, who obviously was not assimilated in the least.
The Muslim "community" is going to have to begin to deal with the fact that many of their customs are outdated and will be less and less acceptable to other Americans if we have continuing Islamist massacres throughout the world.
Thought-gymnastics. If a Quaker family, for whatever reason, were suddenly to move on to a normal suburban neighborhood block, but not assimilate, what sort of things might cause friction with the neighbors. This is not a leading question, just something that occurred to me.
Numbers are not the issue . Only 1 % of young American men were USMC warriors but they defeated the Empire of Japan all by themselves.
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Dan Hossley: It appears that "muslim backlash" is people "being mean" to muslims. There's not a real backlash -- i.e., serious retaliation, so as usual, they (the muslims and msm) have to exaggerate the peril.
Growing up in California, it was important to not be caught in a rival high schools neighborhood. Any other neighborhood actually. Run the risk of getting jumped and a good ass kicking. Today, escalated torival gangs murdering each other. Muslim backlash seems pretty tame.
I saw a picture of here somewhere on the net. She was kind of attractive, in a Muslim world sort of way. Would have had a following as a belly dancer, I am sure.
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but it's been 3 days since the shooting and we've still not seen a picture of her. Why? No CDL pic of her, but we're seen one of him. No passport or visa picture. It seems more and more likely that she was the one that was the leader of this attack.
They keep calling him "the shooter".....how do we know that? Was she just there watching, never firing her gun? For all we know, he just stood there while she did all shooting. Who destroyed the hard drive? Maybe she did while he was coming home to get her.
Robert Cook said...
"And people like Althouse still wonder how and why Trump is leading..."
"Anyone who has any faith in the innate intelligence or ability of the American people to see through the fear-mongering propaganda of our leaders and the media must wonder why Trump is leading. Those who don't have such faith don't wonder at all."
I am not afraid of Muslims. I accept that there is a price to live in a free society.
I am afraid of Obama, Hillary, and anyone else who wants more people from the same place these people came from here and wants to take my ability to defend myself at the same time. It is almost as if they have hidden agendas.
I also do not accept that we need to accept people who believe in a religion that fundamentally disagrees with my freedom and wants to kill me or take it away.
Annual Death Rate from Mass Shootings per million people
Thought-gymnastics. If a Quaker family, for whatever reason, were suddenly to move on to a normal suburban neighborhood block, but not assimilate, what sort of things might cause friction with the neighbors. This is not a leading question, just something that occurred to me.
Not aware of any problem with Radicalized Quakers shooting up places; much less lack of condemnation by the Moderate Quaker community of those non-existent Radicalized Quakers not committing acts of random violence.
The family lawyer is on TV telling us that she is "just an average housewife."
Pretty good shot for an average HW.
"found a Koran, riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door..."
I wonder how many of these incidents, just like the "racist things in colleges" will be hoaxes ?
Probably 80% +
"riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door...."
As I commented on the newspaper website- taqiyya. Straight out taqiyya. Add it to the list of hate crime hoaxes. Which need to be manufactured because there are almost no real hate crimes.
All hate crime reports at this time must be assumed to be false until proven otherwise. Apparently "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" is no longer taught in school.
“Muslim Community Leaders Fear Backlash From Tomorrow's Bombing”
The Media pushed the line that the Colorado shooting targeted Planned Parenthood and was caused by "hateful, dangerous rhetoric" from the anti-abortion side. They phrase it as asking questions, of course, ("should the Right be blamed for violent actions that could have been caused by the Right's speech) but you get the message. They imply that the blame is with the anti-abortion Christian community, or at the very least the extremists within that group.
Moving past whether their characterization of the shooter's motive is correct or not, has anyone seen ANYTHING in the Media about concerns that his actions might provoke an anti-Christian (or anti-anti-abortion) backlash? Any articles featuring interviews with anti-abortion group leaders talking about insults they've received, or people blaming them for that guy's actions, anything like that?
Media bias detection 101: it's not just how they cover stories, it's what stories they decide to cover. A radical Muslim commits a crime and the Media immediately covers "non-radical Muslims blamed, Muslims at risk, the Muslim faith/beliefs don't have anything to do with this attack." If they weren't biased then in the aftermath of the Colorado shooting you'd have seen articles worrying that non-extremist anti-abortion groups might be blamed, asserting that anti-abortion activists were at risk, and reminding everyone that anti-abortion arguments and beliefs aren't undermined by and in fact have nothing to do with that attack.
But, you know, bias.
" If a Quaker family, for whatever reason, were suddenly to move on to a normal suburban neighborhood block, but not assimilate, what sort of things might cause friction with the neighbors. This is not a leading question, just something that occurred to me."
You wouldn't notice them. Quakers look like anyone else. OTOH, you might notice Mennonites moving next door. My neighbors are Mennonites. Their kids go to the Mennonite/Amish school, not the public schools. And they're good neighbors. Of course, we're in the country. But there are a few, very few, Mennonites in the village. So what? They're good neighbors. They show up at local blood drives, along with the area's Amish. They have stands at the local farmer's market. They don't demand the rest of us act like them. They don't harass women who walk by them who are scantily clad. Known to happen in Muslim neighborhoods. And in case of our neighbors, they swap baked goods at Christmas.
According to ABC news, the address she gave on her K1 visa application is fake.
Gives me great confidence in the vetting process of refugees.
"If a Quaker family, for whatever reason, were suddenly to move on to a normal suburban neighborhood block, but not assimilate, what sort of things might cause friction with the neighbors"
Horse pooping in the street.
found a Koran, riddled with more than 30 bullet holes, left at the door...
Thirty holes? Bullshit. After about 10 holes, no new holes would be found, but the existing holes would start to get bigger.
The Los Angeles Times will tell you it is not biased at all. It's just that every day for the last 90 days or more there's been a story promoting one aspect or another of the LGBTQQ agenda.
Today the LA Times had a big section with news of the shooting. The lead photo--and it was a big photo--showed a 42 year old gay man weeping with his family because his boyfriend had been shot. There could be an earthquake that swallowed half of Los Angeles and the LA Times headline would be--"Disaster--Women, Children and Gays Hurt Worst"
It would be funny--except that it's so predictable.
Do we have any independent corroboration that either the shot-up Quran or the insults to Haneen Jasim actually occurred? These two events may have happened, or might be -- are not at all unlikely to be -- more hate crime hoaxes along with Kayla-Simone McKelvey at Kean University and numerous other hate crime hoaxes that have happened and continue to happen.
On the other hand, we do know that two Muslims preferred gunning down fourteen unarmed individual to raising a baby.
If Muslims don't want backlash then they can make something more than whatever miniscule effort they are currently making to help the federal government identify and interdict terrorist threats? Which imams at which mosques preach jihad? Which Muslims in the community are Shiites and which are Wahhabis? Until then, the right and proper thing to do is treat any uncorroborated stories of hate crimes as hoaxes.
Muslims have the doctrine of Taqiya, where deception is sanctified. Liberals have the doctrine of Pro-choice, where elective abortion and clinical cannibalism are normal. Both Taqiya and Pro-choice reflect religious and quasi-religious adherence to selective principles. Muslims deny equality of non-Muslims. Liberals denigrate individual dignity and debase human life as a strategy and rite, respectively.
In the vast left-wing spectrum, liberals and Muslims are simultaneously competitors and allies of convenience.
Exactly what incidents of backlash have occurred? Moslems in the U.S. have more rights and protection than a Christian in any Moslem nation. This is as it should be, but CAIR and the other professional whiners continue to rail about a problem that has yet to present itself.
Perhaps they should police their own co-religionists more and complain about non-issues less.
When Muslims worldwide stop killing and persecuting people of other faiths, I'll be happy to pay attention to their bleating and that of the mediaswine on their behalf.
Not to say that I'm skeptical that these events ever actually occurred, but more than 30 bullet holes in a book? And yelling something to a stranger for no particular reason? OK, I'm skeptical these events actually occurred. But I'm not a journalist, so I'm allowed.
I'm still trying to figure out what benefit the United States gets by admitting more Muslim immigrants into America. Virtually all will immediately go on welfare. They will form closed communities where to the maximum extent possible they will try to impose Sharia law. As third worlders who have been marrying their first cousins for 1300 year they will mostly not succeed in school or the economy. As their bitterness increases they will provide increasingly fertile ground for people who because of their religion already hate infidels.According to Pew Memorial Trust a significant proportion of American Muslims agree that violence is justified against Americans who insult the Prophet.The ethnic make up of America is fine just now. There is no need to change it for the sake of people who would blow it up in the name of their religion.
"As the San Bernardino attack was happening... Tashfeen Malik, posted on Facebook, pledging allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi..."
Be still, garages beating heart....
Obama seems tohave a "peculiar relationship" with Islam, but the Democrats in general seem to be developing a not so peculiar one. At least the only thing I can come up with is that American, or potential American, Muslims are anticipated to vote Democrat and therefore must not be offended.
"Our blessed "job creators" (sic) don't want to create jobs that'll require they pay American wages or meet American job safety standards. That's why they're taking their jobs overseas to begin with."
How many people work for you, Cook? What do you pay them compared to the average wage for similar work?
What's that, Cook? You're just talking out your ass again?
Dear lefty mark, Google is your friend. I promise.
Somewhere I missed that "Million Muslim March against Murder in the name of Allah" that happened in Washington, D.C.
It is really interesting how the left has allied itself with the most unlikely allies, namely Muslims who throw gays off tall buildings and won't let women go to school.
Cultural discontinuity doesn't quite cover it. What do they share ?
They don't like America.
ABC News has posted a photo of the wife, as well as this:
Today lawyers for the Farook family cast doubt on the reports of the ISIS pledge and said that there hasn’t been any real evidence that the couple has any “extremist tendencies.”
“None of the family knew of him as being extreme, aggressive or having any extreme religious views,” one of the attorneys said.
The other noted that Malik was very soft-spoken and conservative -- so much that Farook's brothers never saw her face, due to the full burqa she always wore in public.
So, a full burqa and no one in the family, at the mosque or the workplace had even a teeny, tiny suspicion that some extremism might be involved?
after every islam attack in the us the msm goes into "frontlash" mode. eff them islam apologists.
Does Farook's family have a civil action against the landlord for letting the media into the Farooks' apartment?
Boy, several commenters here jumped the gun on the Quaker comment. Quakers are mainstream, though associated with plain folk. Our last Quaker president was Richard Nixon. (Don't know if he was also the first....) Without looking, I'm willing to bet there are several elected Quakers serving in Pennsylvania in state and local government, Pennsylvania being where the most Quakers live. And in all likelihood, zero to no Mennonites.
BTW, has anyone seen that gofundme page that muslims have set up for the living victims of the San Bernardino attack and the children of the dead victims?
Neither have I.
"I'm still trying to figure out what benefit the United States gets by admitting more Muslim immigrants into America."
None, given that we are not allowed to "appropriate" any aspect of their culture.
“I’ve never gotten anything negative about being a Muslim, ever,” she said. “I always read articles about other people, but I honestly did not think it would happen to me.... I am terrified. My friends are scared. My family is scared. I’m scared for other people, but this is an opportunity to show to people what Islam is, instead of what the media or ISIS shows.”
Yeah. And until they reform their religion, purging it of violent jihad, dhimmi status, and the call to rid "dar al Harb" of fitna (i.e. the "strife" of not being shariah-governed), then this will continue and continue and continue. These are mainstream, unmitigated theological doctrines of Islam that are an unavoidable set-up for continuous, violent confrontation with an ultimate aim toward domination - as Warlord Muhammad (Peace be upon his warlord-ness) had originally and always intended. The lack of a central authority in Islam makes reform a trickier proposition, but there is no alternative to forcing splinter groups to do the job in its stead, perhaps along the lines of how the various Protestant sects ultimately forced the papacy to be a less tyrannical presence in the lives of Europeans.
Seriously, what other alternative is there? These are mainstream doctrines that make avoiding violence completely impossible. The girl pleading insult and fear has no solid case to make unless her piety can account for how those theologies are to be handled by the West AND by her co-religionists. Come on.
It's not just Muslim people who are feeling the backlash of this. Think of what this will do to our relations with the Amish.
Sorry, but if you are a Muslim then by definition you have ties to extremism.
Silly rabbit. If we take them in we can become a bigger Jihadist State than the Arabian Peninsula. And we have the big oil now. Nothing can stop us once those pesky three God folks are as dead as the old minor prophet Jesus.
Jeffrey Goldberg has this recent article in the Atlantic subtitled:
The New Jersey governor on foreign policy, Marco Rubio, and the fine art of ball breaking.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/christie-interview/418302/
"...I caught up with Christie shortly before his speech [last week to the Council on Foreign Relations] for an extensive conversation about Iran, ISIS, the travails of the American Muslim community, and the nuances of ball-breaking."
Goldberg spins Christie's words from an Atlantic perspective, but is honest enough also to provide a full transcript.
Christie's thoughts on the Muslim community:
Goldberg: Why are so many Republicans exploiting fear of mainstream—
Christie: Jeff, no one can tell me these are mainstream Muslims—
Goldberg: I’m not talking about the Syrian refugees; I’m talking about millions of Muslims who live here. They’re going to get alienated—
Christie: Oh, stop. Please. They’re not that sensitive, okay?
Goldberg: Maybe not in Jersey.
Christie: Where are you talking about, then? In Nebraska? Where are we talking about?
Goldberg: I notice you didn’t say Iowa.
Christie: Well, I’m not stupid. Here’s the thing—I’ve done this. I’ve interacted over all these years with a large Muslim community in my state. They’re not sensitive.
Goldberg: In other words, they’re not going to go into terrorism because you said something—
Christie: These folks are Americans and they’re going to say that they’re at as much risk as anyone else. They’re going to want to help. This is what happened post-9/11. After 9/11 we were getting more intel out of mosques than anywhere else, from mainstream members of mosques. I had a guy say to me, flat-out, that I’m going to help you, you know why? Because if another Muslim attacks Americans, I’m going to get shipped out of this country.
Goldberg: Is that true? Do you think there was a chance people would have been shipped out?
Christie: No, I don’t think so, but there is a motivation on the part of the American Muslim community, a law-abiding, mainstream community to say, “We know how easy it is to get painted by the same brush, and we’re going to try to help you make sure another attack doesn’t happen.” The president set up some straw men to justify his position, which is an indefensible position. You’re letting in people to the U.S. that your own FBI director says he can’t vet? That’s an indefensible position. I say, fix the problem...."
Yeah. And until they reform their religion, purging it of violent jihad, dhimmi status, and the call to rid "dar al Harb" of fitna (i.e. the "strife" of not being shariah-governed), then this will continue and continue and continue....
Awesome, R&B. We've been at loggerheads more often than not, but I must admit I have never read a more succinct or coherent summation of the problem faced by our country and the civilized world generally.
What should you do (if you are a Muslim and fear that you are feared)? It's pretty tough, because any attempt to show you are not to be feared would single you out to Islamists who want Muslims to be feared. And they are more likely to actually shoot you than random Americans you might encounter. Not an easy road for those who just want to get on with their lives.
Gusty Winds said...
"I irony that the link is to a CNN headline.
The headline should read, "CNN gets every form of analysis completely wrong on first day of San Bernardino shooting.""
They're not at all embarrassed at getting them wrong. It's part of their virtue signaling.
I wonder if the issue of coddling Muslims will allow one ray of light between Obama's policies and Hillary's proposed ones?
So far, there's nothing. Plus she just got done saying that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
As the San Bernardino attack was happening... Tashfeen Malik, posted on Facebook...
This is why Zuckerberg is a multi-billionaire. Facebook is so easy to use, you can post while committing mass murder without even slowing down.
See something, make an anonymous call email or text. Better the "shame" of considering yourself a bigot than living with the blood of an attack on your hands for the rest of your life. (Appeals to doing the right things not bothered with)
R&B's: " Think of what this will do to our relations with the Amish."
You'd better pray that the "Anabaptists in the Pennsylvania/Ohio Levant" are not monitoring this blogsite.
I shudder to think of how you might be forced to participate in one barn raising after another until you see the error of you non-buttermilk drinking ways.
See something, make an anonymous call email or text. Better the "shame" of considering yourself a bigot than living with the blood of an attack on your hands for the rest of your life. (Appeals to doing the right things not bothered with)
Real American: "Sorry, but if you are a Muslim then by definition you have ties to extremism."
And if you are a friend of garage mahal, then by definition you have close ties to lack of success.
In the extreme.
abby said...
Where are the others that were shooting with her husband while she was posting on Facebook? The witnesses have said that there were two shooters, maybe three. Where are they? Why don't we know anything about them? Is anyone looking for them or we going to wait until they hit another soft target.
I wonder too about the third shooter.
As for posting on Facebook -- I wouldn't touch Zuckerberg's social cancer with a ten foot pole. I do know that one can post on blogger according to schedule -- minutes, hours or days after submitting a post. maybe a a Facebooker can explain.
OTOH, didn't she have some time after the shooting before they fled in the SUV? I understood that 4 hours elapsed between her kiliings and her death.
Notice also that she pledged allegiance to the ISIS twit and not to Allah. The 9/11 guys never screamed "Bin Laden Akbar."
"Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism." For this they can blame Obama, Hillary and the Democrats, who have decided, for whatever reason, that they cannot or will not draw a distinction between radical Islamists and other Moslems.
I guess they know how the Jews feel. How's that working out?
"Rhythm and Balls said...
It's not just Muslim people who are feeling the backlash of this. Think of what this will do to our relations with the Amish."
Yeah, we'll have to raise our barns all by ourselves.
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