"But since I am, I’m happy to start the conversation."
Jason Collins has strong political connections. Bill Clinton said: “I have known Jason Collins since he was Chelsea’s classmate and friend at Stanford."
And Rep. Joe Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) was Collins's roommate at Stanford: "For as long as I’ve known Jason Collins he has been defined by three things: his passion for the sport he loves, his unwavering integrity, and the biggest heart you will ever find. Without question or hesitation, he gives everything he’s got to those of us lucky enough to be in his life. I’m proud to stand with him today and proud to call him a friend."
Collins has been in the NBA for 12 years and will be a free agent at the end of the season. Does he face abuse within sports? He says he's led a "double life has kept me from getting close to any of my teammates." There's always politics. The man has some powerful friends there.
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857 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 857 Newer› Newest»Should I call you something you're not just to make myself feel better? To paraphrase the great philosopher Ritmo?
Inga, care to respond?
Matt said...
Inga said...
Matt, what Ritmo has said tonight in this thread isn't even close to the degree of nastiness that gets spewed from Jay, Meth, PMJ on a daily basis, and most of you remain silent.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
4/29/13, 11:21 PM
No, the standard that the speech of one person is owned by the collective is YOUR standard. I don't say anything because it is their individual speech, not mine.
YOUR standard is the one you expect others to adhere to and condemn them for failing to do so, all the while, not holding yourself to it. YOU are the hypocrite.
I am not (nor is anyone else) a hypocrite for not living up to YOUR standard. Do you know what hypocrisy is?
4/29/13, 11:36 PM
Palladian got some love from people who respect him and couldn't care less who he has sex with.
Do you even get that?
I don't read Ritmo either.
But I find almost everybody gets into one with him...
Must be like Inga says.. we are nuts and Ritmo is the One!
Almost 600 comments, on a thread originally about some nobody basketball player getting the media spotlight for coming out.
You can support SSM and not think Collins is a hero.
You can think what he is doing is a positive thing and not think he is brave.
You can wish him well and not think he is courageous.
You can do all these things, unless you want the approval of the left, because then you are a bigot because shut up.
Enjoy the rest of the ritard thread hijacking masturbation fest.
Enjoy more of the pathetic charity case bug eyed bitch lecturing people here about hypocrisy.
Enjoy seeing the left for what they really are.
Should I call you something you're not just to make myself feel better? To paraphrase the great philosopher Ritmo?
Why does the reference to gentleness or reason have to involve me? It doesn't. Speak about something that strikes you gently or appeals to your sense of reason that has nothing to do with me. See if I respond then. It's called relating to others. Don't fear it.
Palladian got some love from people who respect him and couldn't care less who he has sex with.
Here here.
The only word that matters anymore, or maybe that ever mattered I suspect, is tnuc.
Why? Don't know.
What does it mean? Beats me.
Ya know, you can support gay rights and oppose gay marriage.
Oh Gawd, Ritmo you really take the cake.
I'm through with you.
You've convinced me you're either a brilliant satirist or psychologically unable to be reasonable.
You just don't want him doing it in wedded bliss.
How did Cinderella get into this tread?
Inga said...
So Wyo Sis, next time PMJ or Meth bring up Garage's sick child, you going to speak up?
Woah, woah, woah, you illiterate drunken cunt. I've never brought up Garage's sick kid. I didn't even know he had a sick kid. WTF is wrong with you. Seriously? Are you this truly retarded?
"Ya know, you can support gay rights and oppose gay marriage."
4/29/13, 11:52 PM
See Palladian?
A request for a personal anecdote that one can relate to yields this, folks:
Oh Gawd, Ritmo you really take the cake.
I'm through with you.
You've convinced me you're either a brilliant satirist or psychologically unable to be reasonable.
You must either be very afraid of just general conversation and sociability or not have much to say.
Have a good one, wyo. I don't understand you, but I'm sure you're not evil. Just either very fearful of others or very fearful that you don't have something interesting to talk about.
It's ok.
Peace.
I'll go with psychologically unable to be reasonable.
I am against gay marriage, yet I always enjoy reading Palladian's comments, and believe him to be a talented, interesting HUMAN BEING. Most normal people don't divide everyone into only two columns, Inga.
Inga I don't care who he marries. I don't care who you marry I don't care how you live your sex life. I just don't care. I don't want to have to spend my time knowing who this stupid basketball player has sex with or marries. It's you own personal stuff and I don't call it a right or not a right I call it information I don't want to know and if we're talking about rights how about my right not to go anywhere in this sexed up world with my grandchildren and not have to explain what gay or oral sex or shacking up or any other stupid vagina waving assholeishness people want to inflict on the world.
Woah, woah, woah, you illiterate drunken cunt. I've never brought up Garage's sick kid. I didn't even know he had a sick kid. WTF is wrong with you. Seriously? Are you this truly retarded?
Do you find disagreement or even the taking of exception without this level of personal invective to be difficult?
Inga said...
"Ya know, you can support gay rights and oppose gay marriage."
4/29/13, 11:52 PM
See Palladian?
4/29/13, 11:55 PM
What do you mean "See Palladian?"? My comment was directed at YOU.
Plus, are you going to respond to my rebuttal of your "hypocrisy" bull?
I am against gay marriage, yet I always enjoy reading Palladian's comments, and believe him to be a talented, interesting HUMAN BEING.
It's probably what's at the core of his self-loathing. He's taught by his peers to define himself by his talents and affability, and not by being blessed to follow his own heart.
"Ya know, you can support gay rights and oppose gay marriage."
I do.
Ritmo
I gave you a personal anecdote and you have used it repeatedly in an attempt to make me angry. You get something twisted out of people being angry.
Sick.
" It's probably what's at the core of his self-loathing. He's taught by his peers to define himself by his talents and affability, and not by being blessed to follow his own heart."
LOL. Now you are just having fun. That is meaningless gibberish. Okay.
Hey now, don't go taking my statements and attributing them to others.
I was the one who said the only good leftist is a dead leftist, like a half hour ago, in this very thread. You alcoholic hippo.
The drunken old cow is gonna go sleep it off, but I bet she pops back in to whine a couple more times.
It's her patented victimhood move.
Inga said...
This thread is fucking sick, I'm out.
4/29/13, 11:59 PM
LOL. So, I post a logical, non-inflammatory rebuttal to your "hypocrisy" charge and you bail out rather than respond. Which you have done before. (Granted it was last year around the election so you may not remember.)
This thread is fucking sick, I'm out.
You too?
Its a little late in day Inga.
O Ritmo Segundo said...
Do you find disagreement or even the taking of exception without this level of personal invective to be difficult?
I don't need you to sally forth and drop your cape over the mud that bug-eyed drunken shit bag makes and accuses me of talking about someones sick child that I never knew about. How I address her is none of your concern since she is frankly no better than 10 year old gum on a sidewalk that I have to walk on from time to time. The fact that the horror show known as Inga having a vagina or what's left of it is an excuse for her to accuse me of something I had no knowledge of as an attack on someone I don't talk to. So fuck off asshole. You don't get a say so.
I pick up other peoples' dog shit. I can't afford to give away 5-star food.
OK, that's not true. I do it because I'm just nasty and sick, and I like it, but if you judge works and not motivations, I'm pretty cool to have around.
Ritmo
I gave you a personal anecdote and you have used it repeatedly in an attempt to make me angry. You get something twisted out of people being angry.
Sick.
I'll admit that I like passion but I'm fine with the ordinary stories we find in everyday life.
Yes, you told me something personal, but it was an intense issue and you only told it to me to accuse me of being an example of it.
Was that a way to get me to respond in a nice way?
If I only told you a personal anecdote because it was a painful one and for the purpose of accusing you of being an example of exactly that, would you feel that I wasn't attacking you but just relating?
You probably wouldn't.
bagoh
Thanks for the laugh.
I needed it.
For the record I'm going to be working harder not to care about Ritmo. There doesn't seem to be any percentage in it.
Please ask yourselves if Methadras' 12:03 comment is an appropriate response to the comment prompting it.
Thanks, guys.
Inga said...
Meth you are a pathological liar, not only did you bring up his sick kid you insulted his mother on several occasions and then ended your rant with saying the only good liberals were dead ones, you psycho.
His mother yes, but that's only because she hatched that bitch-titted monster while she was galloping to her next Anheiser Busch Christmas Calender photo-shoot. His kid? I don't think so. The other stuff I cop to proudly. You are something beyond lunacy. Please drink more. It suits you.
Ritmo
When I was a child my father and I used to go horseback riding together. It's one of my favorite memories.
I think following one's brain is far preferable to following one's heart.
Actually, I think brains & heart should do the following.
Inga,
Care to reply to my rebuttal of your hypocrisy charge? Ever?
"This thread is fucking sick, I'm out."
"The drunken old cow is gonna go sleep it off, but I bet she pops back in to whine a couple more times."
I hate to say I told you so, but . . .
May your inevitable liver failure comes swiftly and with as little cost to the taxpayers as possible.
Ritmo
When I was a child my father and I used to go horseback riding together. It's one of my favorite memories.
Well, that's interesting and can prompt a good discussion. Was it in Wyoming that you grew up? I don't have much experience with horses but appreciate the wild settings in which they are kept for riding and other purposes.
I had a girlfriend one day who told me that what's nice about horses is the sense of freedom they give us, much like the way a guy might look at a motorcycle.
Plus, they are magnificent creatures who require our care. Powerful and noble. Much more so than a machine.
Do you still get a chance to ride horses? I know someone who keeps them and I admire that.
You know, I'm drinking and it just makes me nicer and more wonderful.
I've never understood nasty drunks.
Inga said...
If Ritmo were half as vile as you accuse him to be Wyo Sis, he would've responded to you like Meth or PMJ. I see you still haven't said a word to them Wyo Sis about their sick behavior, why is that Wyo Sis?
Tell me you dumb wino, why Wyo Sis, whom I don't believe I've ever talked to, would have to be or feel responsible for what I say in any althouse thread? Can you explain why she must be held to this collective standard?
PMJ, you know that you make yourself look intoxicated when you vomit such nastiness constantly ?
I do not drink, I do not do drugs, what is your excuse for your behavior? Insanity?
Below is everything you need to know about Inga's intellectual rigor. Remember this the next time she cries about mean right wingers not being chastised by other right wingers.
Inga said...
Matt, what Ritmo has said tonight in this thread isn't even close to the degree of nastiness that gets spewed from Jay, Meth, PMJ on a daily basis, and most of you remain silent.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
4/29/13, 11:21 PM
No, the standard that the speech of one person is owned by the collective is YOUR standard. I don't say anything because it is their individual speech, not mine.
YOUR standard is the one you expect others to adhere to and condemn them for failing to do so, all the while, not holding yourself to it. YOU are the hypocrite.
I am not (nor is anyone else) a hypocrite for not living up to YOUR standard. Do you know what hypocrisy is?
4/29/13, 11:36 PM
Matt said...
Inga,
Care to reply to my rebuttal of your hypocrisy charge? Ever?
4/30/13, 12:09 AM
Inga said...
Matt, honestly ? No, it's boring and I'm otherwise engaged, actually I'm going to bed.
4/30/13, 12:11 AM
I don't owe you an explanation Inga, but here it is. The insulting commenters you are obsessed with do not represent anything I believe and they don't behave in any way that gets my attention. They are just run of the mill bullies and are not worth my time.
Ritmo gets my attention because he's so classically twisted and yet seems to have a tiny amount of something intelligent going on behind those crazy rabid contradictory and asinine comments. I just want to figure him out.
Inga said...
Matt, honestly ? No, it's boring and I'm otherwise engaged, actually I'm going to bed.
May you never wake up and I hope the trip your retarded soul takes on it's way to hell is filled with eternal and utter anguish. Shit, who am I kidding, even Satan will take one look at you and laugh.
But she's far too busy to respond to you Matt, she is going to bed.
She is out of this thread, because it is "sick."
Except she has several more posts whining.
If you have read this blog for any length of time, this is standard.
Tell me you dumb wino, why Wyo Sis, whom I don't believe I've ever talked to, would have to be or feel responsible for what I say in any althouse thread?
Ideological/social shame?
The GA Democrat who wanted to know about the possibility of Guam capsizing? I find that pretty embarrassing.
See, it works. Looking after one's own means not being afraid to disagree or call something out when appropriate.
Inga said...
Wyo Sis are you seeing no evil, hearing no evil?
4/30/13, 12:16 AM
YOU admitted Ritmo was doing it but gave him a pass because you didn't think it was "as bad". Furthermore, you castigate those who ignore the invective of the right wingers while you support and participate in it when Ritmo does it.
Again, look up "hypocrisy".
Ritmo
It was more about spending time with my dad who I love very much and who is my model of manly grace and decency.
Ha ha, Inga. I caught your comment before you deleted it.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
But she's far too busy to respond to you Matt, she is going to bed.
She is out of this thread, because it is "sick."
Except she has several more posts whining.
If you have read this blog for any length of time, this is standard.
4/30/13, 12:18 AM
It is true. I have been around long enough to know this is her SOP. Last time I tried, it took repeated efforts to get an answer before she said something to the effect of "it's above my pay-grade".
Ritmo gets my attention because he's so classically twisted and yet seems to have a tiny amount of something intelligent going on behind those crazy rabid contradictory and asinine comments. I just want to figure him out.
Well, I gave a nice response at 12:11 that allows me to further an interest in something I don't yet know much about but would like to when it comes to horses.
But it's getting late and I'm starting to get tired. It can be continued if this winds down much sooner...
Yes, I've got a passionate side that can get carried away in ways perhaps (almost) as twisted as Meth's, etc. But I'm always up for learning more about the more easy-going pleasures and pleasantries. I do have that side to me, as well.
Inga said...
Matt, has Ritmo said anything resembling the invective by the two local physcos?
No.
4/30/13, 12:20 AM
Read my original comment regarding your charges of hypocrisy. You are holding others to YOUR standard. Not theirs. And you do a poor job holding yourself to it at that.
Answering her own questions, double posting, she really is quite blotto tonight.
Marvelous.
You know if you deleted just a hand full of commenters in this 600 + comments you would have a thread that was decent, vulgarity free, and respectful.
Fuck you, you fucking fucks!
panties
And I'm sober, you fuckers.
LOL.
bagoh20 said...
You know if you deleted just a hand full of commenters in this 600 + comments you would have a thread that was decent, vulgarity free, and respectful.
Fuck you, you fucking fucks!
panties
And I'm sober, you fuckers.
4/30/13, 12:22 AM
O Ritmo Segundo said...
Tell me you dumb wino, why Wyo Sis, whom I don't believe I've ever talked to, would have to be or feel responsible for what I say in any althouse thread?
Ideological/social shame?
The GA Democrat who wanted to know about the possibility of Guam capsizing? I find that pretty embarrassing.
See, it works. Looking after one's own means not being afraid to disagree or call something out when appropriate.
If you want to be Mr. Collective commentary moderator for all the leftards in the world, be my guest. Stop worrying about what other people do with what they say. Oh wait, I forgot, you social justice meter is pegged.
Inga, how are we hypocrites for not living up to your standards?
There must be a full moon Bagoh, that's all I can say
You're not wearing panties again?
It was more about spending time with my dad who I love very much and who is my model of manly grace and decency.
Well, I'm very glad that you got to have that experience.
My own father is a very decent man but perhaps not as outdoorsy as the experience of "manly grace" might benefit from. We were in the scouts together, good memories, but I think as a suburbanite I got more out of it than he did as a native city-dweller.
What I also got out of growing up with him was the love he had for his mother, a very graceful and kind woman. Often dropping by with home-made meals and gifts for people who wouldn't have known otherwise. My own mother was more passionate, definitely not as graceful! But we have a good relationship.
Anyway, I recently found out that my grandmother's mom passed away when she was 4. This must have been quite an experience and left her with her love of family, and the ensuing desire later in life to have the 10 kids she ended up having.
Responsibility was a big part of my dad's character. And loyalty for that family, no matter how much of a pain in the ass they'd inevitably get to be, as all families can become.
Grandpa was a very eclectic eccentric. My grandmother was very attracted to his strong, silly and endlessly interested personality. The number of things he did in life were many. Probably too many to get into in this chapter...
Good night Ritmo
Good night -
Inga, how are we hypocrites for not living up to your standards?
Inga, is your refusal to answer tacit acknowledgment that the charge was unjust? Should you not apologize then?
Inga said...
Matt, has Ritmo said anything resembling the invective by the two local psychos?
No.
It must be utterly amazing to have such an alcohol saturated perception of the delusions you concoct, you little cretin. While that diseased fatbag you call a brain is making up fantastical scenarios of reality, you will have a lot to answer for. nighty night you drunken sot.
OK. Matt . You are hypocrites for not living up to the basic standards of human decency, not MY standards, now shut up, I'm trying to sleep.
"Now shut up, I'm trying to sleep."
Wow. Just wow.
The resident psychos are coherent, consistent, and know what they are saying, and how it comes across. It's mostly just venting. Most here don't like it, but everyone understands what it is, so there isn't much to say about it.
Ritmo says the the most delusional things and with the certainty of a professor who has never stepped out of a classroom lecturing freshmen on how to run a jury trial. His comments are like balloons at a pin factory; we just can't resist popping them. That may be his plan, but regardless, a punching bag that just asks for it is a tempting target.
Has anyone invented that yet? I called it first!
Inga said...
OK. Matt . You are hypocrites for not living up to the basic standards of human decency, not MY standards, now shut up, I'm trying to sleep.
4/30/13, 12:36 AM
Eh? So the basic standards of human decency require me to chastise a commenter anytime I happen across a nasty comment? Where did you pull that from? And why don't you do it yourself?
OK, knuckles sore, panties full, off to bed I go.
The bizarre thing with Inga is that when folks spew invective at her, she engages them. When I ask simple, to the point questions she either tries to ignore me or tells me the "shut up". I don't understand that though I tend to think it is because her intellect is lacking.
Inga said...
Matt, I've done it MANY times. PMJ has fits when I call him on his behavior toward Garage and the incredibly insu
Ring demeaning things he says about Garage's family life and education. Same thing with Meth the other Psycho. Ive tangled with Whoresoftheinternet also when e made moments about others here.
4/30/13, 12:43 AM
Your specific complaint is that we don't police our own. The examples you give are not demonstrations of you policing your own.
Tonight, Ritmo said many nasty things and at the end you said that you know he is a "good guy". Hypocrite.
"when e made moments"
Yet the fat old sow claims she doesn't drink.
He he he.
WOW! Almost seven hundred comments for a player that is basically Greg Kite with more melanin. All that because he likes the boys better than the girls? Seriously?
Inga said...
Matt, you are no different than the other Psychos here I see, my instincts were to not engage you, but against my better judgment I did, I won't in the future.
4/30/13, 12:48 AM
"Psycho"? How exactly? Because you condemned a large group of people that included me and I called you out on it? Because I am holding you to your own standards? GASP!
Nite, President-Mom-Jeans, I know your a good guy.
I mean you are a good guy. You fuck.
I mean you are a good guy. You fuck.
That's the spirit, asshole.
Bagoh, that definitely got a laugh out of me.
Goodnight.
Inga,
The reason you did not want to engage me is because you KNEW you were wrong and, because I did not include nastiness in my very simple and fair question, I did not give you an "out" like a lot of other commenters do.
Quite frankly, if they rebutted your moronic musings with kind retorts, you would soon leave altogether as you would not have your "justified rage" to cover for your poorly constructed positions on issues. It almost seems like you are here FOR the abuse, not in spite of it. Strange...
Fuck all y'all.
I mean that with love, of course.
Goodnite psycho John Boy. (just wanted to see 700
Fuck you too, Palladian. And I mean that in the least gay way possible. (NTTIAWW meaning it in the most gay way possible - other than the prolapsed sphincter, of course.)
No, Inga, you-
Well, look what I almost did. Jesus, Inga, your original cries of "hypocrisy" were ostensibly an effort to get people to come to your aid. In the end, you made me a bit sympathetic to your "attackers". Nice job!
Now, how exactly am I hypocrite? It is not my job to moderate yours or anyone's comments here except my own. Is it because I mentioned that Ritmo said nasty things? Well, I also mention that people say nasty things to you! DUH!
My GOD you are so-
Nope, not going to do it. Not going to stoop to your level.
Fuck you too, Palladian. And I mean that in the least gay way possible. (NTTIAWW meaning it in the most gay way possible - other than the prolapsed sphincter, of course.)
I'm a top, so no worries!
Inga said...
Matt, you are below my level. I recognized it right away.
4/30/13, 1:06 AM
How so?
What originally got me to comment was your complaints about the nastiness of other posters. Take a look at what you have written about me.
You reap what you sow.
You fit in perfectly with those you hate.
And since I didn't tell anyone here to go fuck themselves all night... GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
Now?! No way. That's more of an Afternoon Delight kind of thing....
I'm a top, so no worries!
LOL
Inga said...
Matt? Go fuck yourself.
4/30/13, 1:13 AM
Keep it up. It's all on you. Not me. I have a Type 1 daughter and autistic son. Want to attack them to? Show the total depth of your character?
Well, I got here late, but this thread has been a real success for me. I got to mention Greg Kite, prolapsed sphincters AND link to a really crappy song from the 1970s. Ah, life is good for us insomniacs, at least some nights....
Burnt Weeny Sandwich is a really good soundtrack to this thread.
What, Inga, getting gun shy now that you, for a moment, considered that you are interacting with actual people? Considering how your attacks reflect really poorly on you?
I vaguely recall Althouse mentioning Afternoon Delight before (I'm not going to ruin the mood by actually looking it up), but I'm probably the first person on the blog to mention Greg Kite, as well as probably the first person to use the phrase "prolapsed sphincter", which is just a funny sounding phrase whatever its actual meaning or use. Good times! Good times!
Icepick, "Afternoon Delight" is on my playlist of the Worst Songs Ever.
Matt, that is the issue, don't you understand? I don't sink to such levels to bring people's children and family members into an argument or insult, UNLIKE the three Psychos. You cannot equate my behavior or Ritmo's to theirs. They are vile and indecent and if you cannot see that then you hav a major problem.
Basic human decency calls for decent humans to address such behavior, Ritmo did not engage in such behavior and commenters here rarely reign in these absolutely disgusting vile pigs.
Palladian, it's on EVERYBODY'S playlist of worst songs ever! Except maybe for the folks who still get the occasional royalty check because people keep making fun of it. I'm sure those checks aren't anything like what John Kay get's for "Born to Be Wild" or "Magic Carpet Ride", but they're probably keeping someone in cat food....
Inga said...
Matt, that is the issue, don't you understand? I don't sink to such levels to bring people's children and family members into an argument or insult, UNLIKE the three Psychos. You cannot equate my behavior or Ritmo's to theirs. They are vile and indecent and if you cannot see that then you hav a major problem.
Basic human decency calls for decent humans to address such behavior, Ritmo did not engage in such behavior and commenters here rarely reign in these absolutely disgusting vile pigs.
4/30/13, 1:25 AM
Are you claiming YOUR behavior meets your "basic human decency" standard? Do you really think you have made a persuasive argument? Calling me "psycho" and to go fuck myself is supposed to persuade me to agree with you.
Unbelievable.
Did not Ritmo repeatedly attack Pallidian for being gay and (allegedly) poor? And you called him a "good guy"? I have no interest in your moral compass as it is seriously defective.
"Hateful production choices"! I'd love to have an example of that, but I'm guessing "We Built This City" and "The Final Countdown" may both qualify.
Incidentally, I managed to hear both "The Final Countdown" and "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" on the radio today driving around town. I've actually heard "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" performed by Rupert Holmes two days in a row, now. I really need to start taking my iPod with me when I leave the house....
Did not Ritmo repeatedly attack Pallidian for being gay and (allegedly) poor? And you called him a "good guy"? I have no interest in your moral compass as it is seriously defective.
Yup, he did. He also attacked me for being temporarily homeless, fat, a bad artist, naive, autism-spectrum.
The only one I won't cop to is "bad artist".
I thought you went to bed, Inga??
Incidentally, I managed to hear both "The Final Countdown" and "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" on the radio today driving around town. I've actually heard "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" performed by Rupert Holmes two days in a row, now.
Jesus. Definitely, bring your iPod.
"The Final Countdown" is a far worse song than anything Rupert Holmes could ever dream up, however.
Inga,
Ritmo's attacks were disgusting and AFTER you saw them all you proclaimed him a "good guy".
I said nothing about anyone and I was the hypocrite?
I said nothing until you attacked ME. And then, well, go back and look what you wrote to me. Your hands are far from clean.
And my question was about your supposed basic level of human decency. Do YOUR comments directed at ME meet that criteria?
But "Total Eclipse of the Heart" shouldn't be on that list: Jim Steinman has his own brand of overblown EVERYTHING and should not be judged by normal standards.
"Hateful production choices"! I'd love to have an example of that, but I'm guessing "We Built This City" and "The Final Countdown" may both qualify.
Those certainly qualify, but songs like "The Candy Man" and "MacArthur Park" and the execrable "Honey" are even better examples.
But "Total Eclipse of the Heart" shouldn't be on that list: Jim Steinman has his own brand of overblown EVERYTHING and should not be judged by normal standards.
Eeeeek!
Ritmo's attacks were not only vile, they were also personal and relentless. (Seriously, what does someone have to do to get banned!?) And after it all, you ENDORSED him as a "good guy". You supported his comments!
Yet, those of us who say nothing about ANY of the general level of nastiness are hypocrites? Do you not understand the argument you are making?
"The Final Countdown" is a far worse song than anything Rupert Holmes could ever dream up, however.
Agreed. But that is a very low bar.
And why are a bunch of straight people having a Big Str8 Snit About Teh Gays because someone called you a homeless fag, Palladian? Seriously, don't they know you can handle yourself in a comment section? Jesus "Fucking" Christ*, people, just let it go already.
* How do we know Jesus was really the Son of GOD? Because he has the best nickname of all time!
Icepick said...
"And why are a bunch of straight people having a Big Str8 Snit About Teh Gays because someone called you a homeless fag, Palladian? Seriously, don't they know you can handle yourself in a comment section? Jesus "Fucking" Christ*, people, just let it go already."
You are coming in late. Inga castigated all conservatives as hypocrites for being silent to attacks on her. Meanwhile, Ritmo did his usual and Inga piled on. When I pointed out she was the hypocrite, she told me to shut up and fuck off.
It is plainly evident that Palladian has more inner strength than Inga and Ritmo have combined. I only referenced the exchange as evidence of Inga, um, lacking intellectual coherence.
Matt, the question is, why continue to engage? Although I've had the "pleasure" of prolonged "debate" with Inga, there's really no point in it. Just stop it, dude, and write about your favorite crappy songs instead. It's for your own piece of mind.
Icepick, here is the funny thing: I'm up this late anyway! I keep check on my daughter's glucose levels at night as we prefer our children to wake up in the morning alive rather than dead. As such, while trying to get through to Inga and introduce her to the concept of logically coherence, she stated HOURS ago that she was going to be. Thus, at the very least, I kept her up past her bedtime. HUZZAH!
Oh, and I like "The Final Countdown" and am ok with the dopey Pina Colada song and "Afternoon Delight". I think the thing with those songs is we know that - absolutely, objectively speaking - they are terrible but we still kind of like them anyway.
One song I hate is Nilsson's "Coconut". But even that one I am fascinated by as it uses only one chord.
It is plainly evident that Palladian has more inner strength than Inga and Ritmo have combined.
Thanks. I'm a fucking tank, that's what these pipsqueaks fail to understand.
Just stop it, dude, and write about your favorite crappy songs instead. It's for your own piece of mind.
Peaceful pieces.
Thanks to you, I switched from Zappa to "Midnight At The Oasis", which may indeed be the worst song ever written and performed.
This is the "Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World' of Althouse threads.
I don't know how to cast the whole thing, but Inga's got the Ehtel Merman role locked up.
Inga, why did you endorse Ritmo's attacks on Palladian?
I've been meaning to compliment you on your new avi, Inga. It's your best side.
yes, ok.... ;)
I don't know how to cast the whole thing, but Inga's got the Ehtel Merman role locked up.
Dammit!
Seriously, Inga, if I am hypocrite for saying nothing, aren't you a hypocrite for declaring Ritmo a "good guy" after his string of attacks on Palladian? Be intellectually honest and not prideful.
Nah, I meant "piece". One has to preserve that very last bit of functional neurons, but the whole isn't really that necessary.
I didn't notice any hardcore heavy metal on Palladian's list. (Matt, go back and see Palladian's link above, if you haven't already. It's good for several laughs of the same variety one gets from watching someone else get kicked in the balls.)
Special mention should go to Accept's "Balls to the Wall" which is both awesome and awful and awesomely awful and awfully awesome! It has one of the worst videos of all time, and comes off the record that probably has the most "butch" album cover of all time. Here's a sample lyric:
Come on man, let's stand up all over the world
Let's plug a bomb in everyone's ass
If they don't keep us alive....
AND the singer's name is Udo Dirkschneider! Holy crap!
Here's a link to the video. The key question to ask about the video is, "WTF was that at 1:18?!"
Dammit!
Okay, between that and the "Eeeeek!" earlier you are really ReALLY transforming into Stereotypical Gay Man. I'd say all I need to hear now is that you're typing this all up while wearing a muumuu, but I'd hate to find out we were wearing the same thing. SO DON'T TELL ME THAT!
Okay, between that and the "Eeeeek!" earlier you are really ReALLY transforming into Stereotypical Gay Man.
I shan't! I'm quite masculine, I don't do drag, and I'm only into men in sports clothes and Marine uniforms.
I'd say all I need to hear now is that you're typing this all up while wearing a muumuu, but I'd hate to find out we were wearing the same thing. SO DON'T TELL ME THAT!
LOL. I don't begrudge any straight man that slips into drag now and then. Don't dream it, be it!
OK then, Icepick gets the Milton Berle part.
Inga said...
Thanks Matt, now I can't get to sleep, but I'm insomniac, "So it doesn't really matter at all. Easy come, easy go, a little high a little low....."
4/30/13, 2:15 AM
Something troubling you? Perhaps an honest answer to my question would ease you. I know on the internet it gets prideful but acknowledging the disconnect in your standards would raise you in my estimation (and I imagine others, if they happen to still be around).
Honestly, what I crave is an honest and fair exchange of ideas. It sometimes shows up on this site but those moments are few and far between. (Um, no offense to anyone!)
I looked at Palladian's list. I genuinely like some of those songs. :(
I don't know how to cast the whole thing, but Inga's got the Ehtel Merman role locked up.
I want someone else to play me, I don't want to PLAY someone else. (Dammit Jim, I'm not an actor - I'm an anonymous asshole on the intertubez.) If it's animated, I want Adam West to do my voice. If it's live action I want Phillip Seymour Hoffman to play me, but only if he does it as Truman Capote. (Hey, it's a gay themed blog post & comment section, right? Plus, I liked many of Capote's choices in hats.)
LOL. I don't begrudge any straight man that slips into drag now and then. Don't dream it, be it!
It's not about the drag queen aspect. (That's just a bonus.) It's about comfort.
Shooting at the walls of heartache.
Bang, bang!
I am the warrior
Embarrassingly bad.
Inga said...
Matt, I'm tired, that IS my honest answer for tonight. Why are you having to sit up with your daughter to monitor her BG? Is she that brittle?
4/30/13, 2:25 AM
I thought you weren't going to get personal? Stay classy and mind your business.
It's not about the drag queen aspect. (That's just a bonus.) It's about comfort.
That's what all the boys say.
OK then, Icepick gets the Milton Berle part.
Oddly enough, I was thinking about Uncle Miltie's drag queen act earlier today.
Jesus, Inga, you are really a low down disgusting human being. My daughter is so much tougher than your pathetic ass but, as a nurse, you should have some fucking clue about diabetes. She can die in her sleep and have no fucking clue she was even in danger. You stay classy. You deserve all the hate you get.
That's what all the boys say.
XOXO
Good night, boys. I'm going to try and go back to sleep now.
Matt, I'm asking you a civil question. You shared that you were sitting up with her because of her blood sugars.. What is wrong with you?
I'm instincts are usually right, you are a jerk.
Go read what you wrote, Inga. Go read it. You are who you are and you revel in your hate.
"Matt, I'm tired, that IS my honest answer for tonight. Why are you having to sit up with your daughter to monitor her BG?"
That is an honest question.
"Is she that brittle?"
Adding that is disgusting.
Matt, I know very well what childhood diabetes is about, so does Garage that is one of the things PMJ ragged on garage about. If you think I was criticizing you for sitting up with her, you misread my intent.
Seems you have issues and need to vent, vent elsewhere you damn jerk.
You go ahead and attack someone's six and a half year old daughter but don't expect them to exhibit any sympathy towards you.
Read what you wrote and then look how you followed it up.
Did you say, "Holy crap! I didn't mean that. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding!" Nope, you just continue attacking. Stay classy.
I know what you were doing and so do you. You don't tell someone to shut up and fuck off and then pretend to give a shit while including an attack on their children. Vile.
My God Matt, you are seriously fucking nuts. I was expressing a genuine concern about your daughter. I'll ask again what the hell is wrong with you? Being brittle is a medical terminology, not a criticism
.
Why did you ask "Is she brittle?" Seriously, what did that add?
What the hell are you talking about? "Brittle" is not an ailment.
Are you insane?
Do you NOT understand human concern, why are you so eager to duke it out with me. You would totally misconstrue what I asked you about your daughter?
God, there are fucking weirdos online and Matt you are one of them,
Brittle is a term that nurses and doctors use to describe a diabetic who's blood sugars vary, often from very high to very low.
Misconstrue what? You have been attacking me ALL NIGHT! Why for one second should I think you are going to exhibit genuine concern? You tell me to fuck off and shut up and call me psycho and then expect me to think you give a damn?
It's like Ritmo ripping Palladian and then saying that he wants to help him? Bullshit. You can shovel it but I'm not buying it.
Inga said...
Brittle is a term that nurses and doctors use to describe a diabetic who's blood sugars vary, often from very high to very low.
4/30/13, 2:41 AM
No, "brittle diabetes" is the term. If you had said, "Does she have brittle diabetes." then I might have believed you.
Is that your position? That is what you meant?
Matt, for pity sake stop it. I asked about your daughter in a civil way, i was genuinley concerned.
I'm more concerned about her father now.
Look up brittle diabetes.
If that is what you meant, then I wholeheartedly apologize.
With that said, do seriously think you can attack someone all night and then have them believe you want to be nice? You cannot even admit after all these hours, that your hypocrite charge was bogus.
Friends, family and strangers get the benefit of the doubt. People who openly attack you - not a chance.
Matt, of course that is what I meant. I assumed you would know the terminology.
Good night, you're a good dad.
No, but you could ask "Does she have brittle diabetes?" As it happens, she does not and has never. She just has regular, run of the mill never know for sure what is going to happen diabetes.
Inga, one thing that bothers me when I read your writing on this site is that you sometimes have, for lack of a better term "lucid moments". It happened before the election when you said you would not vote for Obama after his race baiting video came out and with the abortion discussion. However, it seems like you very quickly return to "shrieking harpy" mode.
While this site has its share of right wing folks who comment in good faith, there is a lack of that on the other side of the aisle. There are moments when you fit that role. Unfortunately, they are few in far between.
One thing that would help would be if you didn't assume the worst from the start. As you said, from the first query I sent you your instinct was to ignore it. Why? It was a simple, pointed question that lacked a lot of the invective elsewhere. Each response you gave ignored the original question and instead attacked. Why not start from a neutral position and see where it goes?
You want to be treated decently but you are unwilling to start at a point where that can be the outcome. Perhaps if you had started from the position of "Maybe this is a good dad/person" instead of "I should ignore this person" then the ensuing exchange would be more positive.
Alas, with that said, my original question to you all those hours ago remains unanswered.
Inga said...
Matt, what Ritmo has said tonight in this thread isn't even close to the degree of nastiness that gets spewed from Jay, Meth, PMJ on a daily basis, and most of you remain silent.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
4/29/13, 11:21 PM
No, the standard that the speech of one person is owned by the collective is YOUR standard. I don't say anything because it is their individual speech, not mine.
YOUR standard is the one you expect others to adhere to and condemn them for failing to do so, all the while, not holding yourself to it. YOU are the hypocrite.
I am not (nor is anyone else) a hypocrite for not living up to YOUR standard. Do you know what hypocrisy is?
4/29/13, 11:36 PM
Geez, no wonder I had never heard the term!
"'Brittle' diabetes, also known as unstable diabetes or labile diabetes, is a term that was traditionally used to describe to dramatic and recurrent swings in glucose levels, often occurring for no apparent reason in insulin-dependent diabetes. This term, however, has no biologic basis and should not be used."
"brittle diabetes type 1 diabetes mellitus characterized by wide, unpredictable fluctuations of blood glucose values and difficult to control."
the terminology brittle diabetes is still being used
Matt, there is no shame in being wrong.
Brittle Diabetes Mellitus
Thomas Higgins, M.D.
Brittle Diabetes is a subjective term and the diagnosis often depends on the experience of the patient, family and physician involved. The most useful definition of brittle diabetes is a functional one: "the patient whose life is constantly disrupted by episodes of hyper- or hypoglycemia, whatever their cause". While these patients are rare (less than one percent diabetics), they cause a considerable burden on hospital, social, and family resources due to multiple hospital admissions.
Many early studies tried to identify possible physiological mechanisms for the brittleness but with increasing study, it has become clear that the majority of cases are due to psychological factors. Metabolic abnormalities are a rare cause of poor glycemic control.
Natural History:
Brittleness may be in the form of hyperglycemic brittleness, hypoglycemic brittleness or a combination of both. Brittle diabetics followed over a long period of time have been noted to have certain characteristics:
Most patients were consistent in whether their recurrent episodes were hyperglycemic or hypoglycemic in nature. Only occasional patients showing "mixed brittleness".
Women predominate in most studies of brittle diabetes but men frequently also are found to be brittle. In my own experience, brittleness is more common during puberty in both sexes.
There is a significant mortality rate. Among survivors, the insulin dose tends to drop over time and episodes of hyperglycemia and severe hypoglycemia become less frequent.
Diabetic complications seem to be more frequent in brittle diabetics and are most likely related to poorer metabolic control.
Cause of Brittle diabetes:
It is clear that the brittleness in most patients is related to a specific unhappy life situation; when this resolves, so does the brittleness.
Hyperglycemic brittleness is rarely related to a chronic cryptic infection.
Hypoglycemic brittleness is rarely related to diabetic gastroparesis where the stomach has a delay in emptying or hypoglycemic unawareness where the patient can not sense a low blood sugar.
http://www.bouldermedicalcenter.com/articles/brittle_diabetes_mellitus.htm
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The terminology is still perfectly acceptable Matt.
SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!!
Since the only way to win is not to play, I am wrong on the Internet too.
Althouse.
I have a very cunning plan.
Have a dinner party and only invite the people in this thread.
Now THAT would be an evening to remember.
Is this the conversation he wanted to start?
Well, OK, glad we got THAT out of the way.
Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet?
Holy cow.
and
Hitler!
Inga said...
Good night Matt, don't ever attempt to address me again, I won't respond.
I love the fact that the same person who asserted "the right" wants to see gays dead, thinks anyone reading, especially the person you said this to, would care.
You're a silly, pathetic woman.
I just finished reading this entire thread. I am picturing a scene from some eighties teen movie where -- in the aftermath -- the place is wrecked and there is a half-eaten pizza spinning on the phonograph.
Thoughts:
1. I bet a slice of that pizza would still be OK.
2. It is now too early (too late?) to hit the Vodka and Candy Cigarettes but I feel like I need a drink now.
3. I hope another mid-level male basketball player comes out as gay today so we can start this thread's sequel.
4. Ann could play the Tricky Devil and post a companion story of a lesbian WNBA player: compare and contrast.
Since the only way to win is not to play, I am wrong on the Internet too.
Rispeck.
If you can remember any of the comments before #600 then you weren't really there.
793 comments. jesus! I wonder how long it was until Inga's Law was invoked and the discussion became about her granny panties.
Inga, if you have an issue with your usage of a dated term, bring it up with Merck. They are the ones who said it was an inappropriate term. Furthermore, many parents find the usage of it akin to calling Down's kids "retards". Sure, it used to be acceptable but people evolved.
And quit your bullshit arm chair diagnosing. You used a word in a context I had NEVER HEARD (because it is archaic AND insulting to many) and I TRIED to understand it. Besides, YOU were the one still replying well after I went to bed. Pot, kettle and other such BS.
Just wanted..
..to see..
..such a..
..valuable discussion..
..get to..
..800 posts.
Matt,
This Inga character pontificates about diet, diabetes, Alzheimers, Aspergers, and so on and so forth.
She is not a nutritionist, dietitian, endocrinologist, pediatrician, and so forth.
She's a ex nursing home LPN. She may have some good insights into the progression of Alzheimers. Beyond that, I'd ignore her medical advice or opinions.
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