February 7, 2013
The coming scourge of Baby Boomers with Alzheimer's disease.
Get ready. We're being softened up. Pay attention... while you still can.
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99 comments:
With the way genetics is progressing I'm fairly certain there will be cures for most neurodegenerative diseases by 2050.
They'll be dead.
With the way genetics is progressing I'm fairly certain there will be cures for most neurodegenerative diseases by 2050.
Shhhhhh.
Medical advances ... in the age of Obamacare?
For the rich and connected, maybe. Not for serfs.
I figure I've got a 15 year window to have some fun and raise some hell before the do gooders get hold of my body and start doing their good on me.
It's been a life long fight against the feminine forces of good will. So far, I've won more than I've lost.
I will continue to pursue my "stupid" redneck white boy self-interest for so long as God lets me.
My last job was working on an Alzheimer's drug clinical trial. Nobody knows what to do about this shit. Because we have to get old, senile and die. Trial failed.
Best thing we can do is provide a lot of jobs for world saving, caring, sensitive females. I hope I'm AWOL in spirit while they're wiping my butt!
I've recently begun salting my ice cream but I'm sure it's nothing.
Perhaps, ST, it will be a big hairy black homosexual insensitive caregiver that will be wiping your butt. O_o
Karma.
I had an uncle with Alzheimer's. I regard your little joke as being in very poor taste.
Oh, and campy's right BTW.
I took care of Alzheimer and dementia patients for years, one better have a sense of humor, or will find themselves becoming burnt out very quickly.
Inga, my butt will be here on this earth, but my spirit will be elsewhere.
It's of no consequence who does the wiping! Wipe away!
Alzheimers leaves one seemingly normal enough with their full personality, but missing all memories of what they did and said an hour ago.
That puts interracting caregivers in the dangerous position of being attacked by them with false accusations for trying to help them.
Get witnesses or videotape of your interactions with an Alzheimer person.
one better have a sense of humor, or will find themselves becoming burnt out very quickly.
This is true in dealing with any elderly parent, even if they don't have Alzheimer's. In my experience, at least.
...Alzheimer's 'epidemic'...
Aren't they all in congress and isolated?
If DC was isolated, we'd all be better off.
I had dinner with an Alzheimer patient a few years ago. It was perfect as long as we discussed subjects about her life 40+ years ago. Wonderful in fact.
7 Stages of Alzheimer's and symptoms
Distinct personality changes occur in more advanced Alzheimer's.
Distinct personality changes occur in more advanced Alzheimer's.
No shit, Sherlock!
I was responding to Trad Guy ST.
I've heard Alzheimer's referred to as "Diabetes Type III."
kinda sad to think of someone as hateful and vindictive as Inga in a position of responsibility over patients in this position.
X, you'd be lucky to have me as your nurse, damn lucky.
X, you gotta realize that people have different personalities in different settings.
For a lot of women who hate the traditionial role when played out at home, the job of the LPN is transforming.
They get paid for doing wifely, motherly chores. Hard to understand, but this getting paid can work wonders on a bitter harridan's personality.
Believe me, I've seen it.
Inga, I expect nothing better than you under obamacare.
Break out the blue pills.
For the rich and connected, maybe. Not for serfs.
Expect to hear more calls (and celebrity-sponsored ballot propositions) for fetal tissue research, as a greater number of resistered vot...er aging Americans make their preponderant weight in the electorate felt.
New revenue stream for Planned Parenthood, which can supply the raw materials instead of tossing them in dumpsters.
Alzheimers leaves one seemingly normal enough with their full personality, but missing all memories of what they did and said an hour ago.
I'm kinda looking forward to this myself. Imagine--you can watch your favorite movie, read your favorite book, eat your favorite food, over, and over, and over--you'll never get tired of it and it will always be like the first time. Sounds pretty cool, actually
Imagine hearing that your spouse died, as if hearing it for the first time over and over. Imagine thinking that you left your young child at school and forgot to pick him up, over and over. Imagine that you think you still know how to walk and keep falling out of bed, over and over. Imagine that you think the feces in your own bed isn't what it is and you......
That's the reality of Alzheimer's.
There are treatments on the way now, but the younger Boomers are in a race, as campy notes. The best thing you can do is avoid anti-perspirants, aluminum cookware, and artificial sweetener.
Inga said...
Perhaps, ST, it will be a big hairy black homosexual insensitive caregiver that will be wiping your butt. O_o
Not to mention yours, O She-Wolf of the SS, and lay off the smileys.
Someone might figure out you're also the Disrespectful Jerk.
I took care of Alzheimer and dementia patients for years, one better have a sense of humor, or will find themselves becoming burnt out very quickly.
Why do I have a hard time believing this?
I took care of my mom and later helped The Blonde take care of her mother, both with Alzheimer's.
Your sense of humor is the first thing to go.
As usual, edutcher feels he is expert in all matters. Who is the The Disrespectful Jerk? You?
Or are you seeing sockpuppets again. Is your entire life consumed with sockpuppets Ed? That's not normal. And if you can maintain a sense of humor half the battle is won. Too bad Ed you never had one, so losing it wasn't an issue.
Inga said...
As usual, edutcher feels he is expert in all matters.
Bizarre that Inga would say this after repeating every discredited shibboleth of the left during the last election. But as usual leftists believe standards only apply to the right.
Inga, you argue that one should develop a sense of humor when dealing with such disorders, and then when someone does so, immediately present a reality of altsheimers as a chastisement.
As someone who purports to have cared for people in such a predicament, you should know better than to lecture those who (thankfully) have not.
There's a difference between lecturing and education. It's this continuous lecturing and 'better than thau' attitude that really pisses people off.
Inga said...
As usual, edutcher feels he is expert in all matters. Who is the The Disrespectful Jerk? You?
No, your little alter ego, shilol (as if you didn't feel that sting when Ann slapped you down), and I'll bet I've spent one whole Hell of a lot more time taking care of people with Alzheimer's than the She-Wolf of the SS.
PPS: On a more serous note, my wife the RN always comments when she sees/reads such things that "think of all the truly seriously sick people in this world desperately longing for good health and would give ANYTHING and EVERYTHING for it and then to see such twits with everything to live for throw it all thoughtlessly, carelessly, away.."
Sorry for the above--wrong thread--too much Barbancourt 5-Star this am..
Some things never change. So now you think I'm Shiloh?
Good grief.
No chastisement meant at all ushutup, just a glimpse of reality. If the reality of it comes across as a chastisement, then that's your reality and your issue, not mine.
What hurt the most about both of my grandmothers and one of my great-aunts was accepting that the light of recognition had gone out in their eyes.
Visits thereafter consisted of sitting in silence, unless punctuated by the horrible Who are you, then? followed by more silence. Prior to there was at least recogntion of names and stories told to or heard from, however soon they were forgotten or however many times they had to be repeated.
(as if you didn't feel that sting when Ann slapped you down)
Shiloh/Inga are sock-puppets?
Another good reason not to vote for Hillary!
ushutup if you notice inga contradicting herself that's your reality. it's certainly not hers.
Furious A said
"Shiloh/Inga are sock-puppets?"
Inga certainly isn't. Sadly she is a real person. A real, stupid, deluded, person.
X said
"kinda sad to think of someone as hateful and vindictive as Inga in a position of responsibility over patients in this position."
A mixed bag on this one. While Inga is just a broken down old woman living off disability and the charity of her children (so no worries of having her giving medical care to anyone anymore) there a thousands more younger versions just like her. With Obamacare, you will see more and more of these hateful vindictive people interacting with patients with little or no ability to report abuses.
As a lawyer, I look forward to the the lawsuits this will generate. As a person, I feel bad for the patients.
There are treatments on the way now, but the younger Boomers are in a race, as campy notes. The best thing you can do is avoid anti-perspirants, aluminum cookware, and artificial sweetener.
The women in my life aren't going to like the first alternative, and the third is also a bit scary, but is probably doable. Is it just Nutrasweet type sweeteners, or all of them?
Still, I think that the mention of ObamaCare is spot on here. Scientists have made great strides in diagnosing and understanding Alzheimer's over the last decade or so, and I was privileged to work with some of the best there in the patent realm. And, without ObamaCare, I have little doubt that cures, or at least fairly long term stabilization, is not that far off. But, it is likely that being able to get sufficient payback from the R&D plus testing required to bring such cures to the market will be much diminished, as the laws of economics are ignored by the move towards socialized medicine.
The good thing for me is that I don't appear to have any Alzheimer's in my family tree. And, there are definitely genetic aspects to the disease (scientists have been able to track down multiple genes that increase or decrease, sometimes significantly, one's susceptibility towards the disease, just probably not why they have such an effect).
Scary disease. Many don't seem to handle it as well as President Reagan did, and one person I know has kept the diagnosis of her father from him, on the well founded fear that he would kill himself. Might be safe now though, as he is far enough along now though that he might not remember day to day that he had it. Don't really know anyone in my generation with it yet, with everyone I know who as been so diagnosed being in their mid 70s or older. But, expect to see more and more of it as we reach those ages.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
Shiloh/Inga are sock-puppets?
Inga certainly isn't. Sadly she is a real person. A real, stupid, deluded, person.
The She-Wolf of the SS is only the latest incarnation, of which there have been several others, which Ann and Meade apparently don't want me mentioning by name.
furious_a said...
(as if you didn't feel that sting when Ann slapped you down)
Shiloh/Inga are sock-puppets?
You see these trolls all use the same catchphrases, defenses when cornered (how many fall back on "reading comprehension"?), attack lines, boilerplate, and other tics (as Shout calls them) and you get the feeling that, except for garage, MadMan, and maybe phx, there are only a couple of people flipping between a repertoire of sockpuppets.
PS Sorry about your grandmother and aunt. I went through it, too, and, until it's diagnosed, you haven't got the foggiest idea of what's going on in there.
There is a good chance that the "cure" is to simply eliminate the item that has led to the surge. Bad carbs, especially those caused by the Franken-wheat most products are made with.
Remember the scares about feeding the world population that were all the rage in the 60s and 70s?
That all went away, didn't it. Super-high yield genetically modified grains are why.
Now, correlation is not causation, but this one seems strong.
President Mom Jeans, you are no more an attorney as I am living off of disability. For months now you claimed I had no children, so now this is your new schtick?
FYI Mom Jeans, I had surgery on my spine and am now years past any disability and am even working part time again. I live in the same house on the lake that was last appraised at $800,000.
STALKER much? I'd take care if I were you. Unless you truly are sociopath and can claim insanity.
Seriously take care.
this is what your obamacare end of life nurse looks like.
Inga,
I said in a post a few days ago that I no longer doubt that you have children. I also stated that I find you to be pitiful and no longer find any fun in mocking you.
In this very thread I just defended you against a charge of being a sock puppet. I would advise you against continually posting such personal information on the internet, but hey, do whatever you want.
"I'd take care I I were you. Unless you truly are sociopath and can claim insanity."
Your threats are meaningless legally. If you are referring to something else, I'm all ears.
As I said PMJ, you are NO attorney and I caution you as to what you assert about strangers to you on a public forum.
I won't address you further regarding this issue.
"With the way genetics is progressing I'm fairly certain there will be cures for most neurodegenerative diseases by 2050."
I bet the Liverpool Pathway will still be cheaper.
Bruce Hayden said...
There are treatments on the way now, but the younger Boomers are in a race, as campy notes. The best thing you can do is avoid anti-perspirants, aluminum cookware, and artificial sweetener.
The women in my life aren't going to like the first alternative, and the third is also a bit scary, but is probably doable. Is it just Nutrasweet type sweeteners, or all of them?
Any sweetener that's a sugar alcohol, specifically, (like Nutrasweet) but The Blonde says they're all good to avoid.
Splenda is chlorine-based and saccharine causes cancer.
PS The She-Wolf of the SS will be up soon to spread her usual disinformation, but Herself has gotten confirmation from a PPG chemist.
PS Sorry about your grandmother and aunt. I went through it, too, and, until it's diagnosed, you haven't got the foggiest idea of what's going on in there.
Thx, ed. My mom's mother visited her sister (the great-aunt) at the county home every day for at least ten years to feed her lunch, and took me with her when I visited summers. Reckon she prepared us both for what was to come.
Why wouldn't we let people commit suicide who have distressing diagnoses? Let them decide ahead of time what benchmarks signal "Take me to the thanatologist."
I've read that there's such a thing as bliss dementia. In this condition, you forget all your bad memories. How cool that would be. However, my personality is basically a repository of bad memories and if such memories were erased, so would I.....I had a friend who was very conscientious about his health. Lots of salmon, broccoli, and exercise. He had to have an operation and was put in a medically induced coma. He came out of the coma, but not with all of his faculties. Over a period of two years he became more and more forgetful. He was conscious of the phenomenon. It was very painful for him to be aware of this ongoing loss. He stopped taking his meds. The theory was that he did this because he wanted to hasten his death.....There's nothing good to be said about end of life issues.
Didn't the aluminum thing turn out to be a red herring?
I suspect a lot of "Alzheimer's" isn't really Alzheimer's. It's some other kind of brain dysfunction, which in a young person would be seen as unusual and worth treating.
Nutrasweet is not a sugar alcohol, perhaps you should tell "the blond".
all about artificial sweeteners
What do you think millions of diabetics use Edutcher?
"As I said PMJ, you are NO attorney and I caution you as to what you assert about strangers to you on a public forum."
You make an assertion about me in the very same sentence you threaten me about making assertions.
I am trying to do you a favor and caution you against continually posting personal information.
I don't care what you think my profession is, but I will not be intimidated by your meaningless threats. Again, as I said, I find you to be worthy of only pity, and if it upsets you that I defend you against a charge of sock puppetry, then by all means I will stop it.
No good deed goes unpunished apparently.
Liz, suicide does happen when some folks get that diagnoses. I worked the night shift in a nursing home years ago, that was attached to a retirement commnity, when I was called to an emergency. The emergency was a man who had shot himself in the head after a diagnosis of Alzheimer's and before he was incapacitated.
I knew this sweet old gent, he was my watercolor instructor from a few years prior to this.
@Inga, thanks for the link at 9:37.
On the other hand, could you or edutcher please start up a blog of your own so the two of you (and Mom-Jeans) could carry on your feud without hijacking a thread? I think it would be appreciated by the rest of us.
Big Mike, naw I'm done talking to them:)
Mike, the She-Wolf of the SS can't stand it that I continually knock down her hypocritical platitudes with facts and blow her phony narrative out of the water.
This all started when I said no nurse I ever heard (including wife, younger sister, 2 sisters-in-law, and multitudes of their friends) ever wished harm on anyone.
Thus comments like. "Perhaps, ST, it will be a big hairy black homosexual insensitive caregiver that will be wiping your butt", put the lie to what he/she/it says.
Sorry that ruins your day, but somebody has to expose these Lefty frauds.
Inga said...
Nutrasweet is not a sugar alcohol, perhaps you should tell "the blond".
all about artificial sweeteners
It contains methanol, a sugar alcohol. Perhaps you should open your mind instead of your mouth.
Verification here and here.
Alzheimer's is a pretty complicated disease (otherwise we'd be able to say exactly what causes it). The things that go wrong are many, and it is not always clear what is cause and what is effect (most people who work on it probably favor the amyloid plaque hypothesis in terms of the critical feature, but there are data that indicate otherwise). The "Type III Diabetes" moniker is not entirely crackpot, as there appears to be a link between the disease and diabetes, and it may be stronger than you think.
Bottom line, I think it is similar to cancers in that there is seldom a single cause, but rather a succession of critical events that add up to the disease. I think it much more likely that we'll see a drug that will arrest progression of the disease than an actual cure. I hope I'm wrong, but decades of trying to make inroads against cancers suggests otherwise (while fully acknowledging that for specific cancers, there have been huge advances, and some cures).
It is extremely difficult to figure out what is going wrong (much less how to fix it) when we don't even have anything like a complete picture of everything going right.
Big Mike is right.
ed, whatever the history, you're being a dick. It's getting really fucking irritating to see every thread hijacked because you and ST and PMJ can't stop poking Inga with sharp sticks for TEN FUCKING SECONDS.
Huh? What's this post about? Damn, forgot what I was going to say. I already have Someheimers.
Crunchy Frog said...
Big Mike is right.
ed, whatever the history, you're being a dick. It's getting really fucking irritating to see every thread hijacked because you and ST and PMJ can't stop poking Inga with sharp sticks for TEN FUCKING SECONDS.
If you care to go to the top of the post, you'll find Shout made a comment having nothing to do with anyone in particular and Guess Who had to get snarky.
All I did was rebut that person's remark about a sense of humor by noting I'd taken care to 2 people with Alzheimer's and the sense of humor is the first thing to go and, of course, nobody disputes the Word From On High.
Fact is, That Particular Troll makes a lot of stupid and, in many cases, politically motivated untrue statements.
You don't like it that some people point out the truth, you're talking to the wrong people.
The one who picks the fights should be the object of your comments.
No offense.
I'm sure ST understood my JOKE, too bad every damn thing I post on a comments thread is an excuse for PMJ and Edutcher to be dicks, it's getting very old and no doubt annoying to readers.
And Millenials will be too broke to pay for boomers' healthcare. Prepare thyself for death panels.
Inga said...
I'm sure ST understood my JOKE, too bad every damn thing I post on a comments thread is an excuse for PMJ and Edutcher to be dicks, it's getting very old and no doubt annoying to readers.
Oh, yeah, "Perhaps, ST, it will be a big hairy black homosexual insensitive caregiver that will be wiping your butt. O_o
Karma.", is a real knee-slapper.
Especially the "Karma" part
That's why he said, "Inga, my butt will be here on this earth, but my spirit will be elsewhere.
It's of no consequence who does the wiping! Wipe away!".
Rick Rogers, there are already "death panels". It's called advanced directives and the one making the decisions are the family and/or healthcare powers of attorney. It's been this way for many years now.
But now the state will be doing it out of financial necessity.
Your sense of humor went. Doesn't mean that everyone else's has to as well. My best friend takes care of her Alzheimer's suffering mom 24/7. If she didn't keep her sense of humor she would have been completely toast by now.
Inga's snark was mild and relatively funny. Your (and PMJ's, and X's, etc) self righteous smackdowns of her were neither.
Past disagreements are no excuse to go Full Asshole every time she makes an apperance.
She may be right, she may be wrong. Note that her background in dealing with dementia patients as a paid caregiver is very much different from doing the same tasks for a loved one.
You don't like her politics. I don't like her politics. And yes, she can come off as a self-righteous ditz (yes Inga, you can). But the name calling and poo flinging (on both sides) is just tiresome, and it severely hampers the enjoyment of the blog in general.
Are you talking to me, Crunchy Frog? I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't read the comments of this site with any frequency and I don't know Inga from Eve.
Keeping your sense of humor when caring for relatives with Alzheimer's
Great personal account of what I was trying to get at before being sidetracked.
Rick, Crunchy Frog is speaking to Edutcher.
"Liz mentions “laughter yoga” to help Alzheimer’s caregivers reduce their stress. How true that laughter and a sense of humor are so important when caring for Alzheimer’s patients.
Some of the situations that cropped up, when caring for my mom and aunt, could have been very, very frustrating if my husband and I hadn’t realized they could be viewed with a sense of humor. We weren’t laughing at Mother and Auntie…we were laughing at the situation and found them laughing with us.
I particularly realized the need for laughter one day, when Jim and I were laughing at something Mother had done. She looked at us, grinned, then remarked, “We don’t laugh enough.” She needed us to laugh instead of scold.
Auntie, when I asked her why she’d hidden something in her underwear drawer, remarked, “I don’t remember.” Then she looked at me and grinned, “I’ve got Alzheimer’s.”
She seemed so relieved when I laughed. Then she joined in.
Find the humor in the situation, whenever you can. You’re not ignoring the seriousness. But you’re finding survival for you and the Alzheimer’s patient. The author of Twilight Travels with Mother disusses how she found “strength, hope, and a sense of humor living with Alzheimer’s”
Read more: http://www.blisstree.com
Crunchy Frog said...
Your sense of humor went.
No, if you know Shouting Thomas at all, he/she/it went right after some of his pet gripes. It was an intended shot, as was his response.
My sense of humor is just fine BTW.
Past disagreements are no excuse to go Full Asshole every time she makes an apperance.
I answered a question from Bruce Hayden and was contradicted. I posted a rebuttal.
I know there are people here who hate confrontation, but I'm damned if some Lefty who never took State Boards in his/her/its life is going to impugn my wife's judgment.
No offense, again.
Edutcher, good lord man! What the hell is wrong with you? I took the RN state board in Wisconsin in 1977. I graduated from Marquette University in Milwaukee with a MSN several years later.
You are an annoying moron.
Meade, case in point.
As I said, I have yet to meet any nurse, anytime, anywhere, who ever wished anybody ill. Lots of people claim lots of things on the Internet, some are even true.
And I take your unwillingness to go into the sugar alcohol thing as an indication of apology.
You are still INCORRECT regarding the sugar alcohol issue, now why don't you STFU and allow this thread to be a discussion regarding Alzheimer's. You have frequently made assertions about healthcare issues using "the blond" as your source of knowledge, frequently your "advice" has been dead wrong.
I've ignored it many times and just shook my head, but when you make claims about me and my professional credentials, you prove yourself to be a dick, extraordinaire and open yourself up to my own deeper critisims of your healthcare "expertise".
To all readers here, do not listen to Edutcher when he gives medical advice, it's mostly comically wrong.
*Criticisms*
I live in the same house on the lake that was last appraised at $800,000.
The lake was appraised at $800,000? How big is it?
By trying to cover yourself on the sugar alcohol boo-boo, which, I repeat, professional chemists have agreed with her, we are shown who's blowing smoke.
I verified Nutrasweet has methanol in it, which is a sugar alcohol.
Give it up. You lost.
PS When was the last time I gave medical advice?
2 points real fast:
Inga said...
You are still INCORRECT regarding the sugar alcohol issue, now why don't you STFU and allow this thread to be a discussion regarding Alzheimer's.
What this is really about - STFU and listen only to the She-Wolf of the SS.
And, if a serious discussion was desired, why was the first comment from said She-Wolf, "Perhaps, ST, it will be a big hairy black homosexual insensitive caregiver that will be wiping your butt.
Karma."?
About as much a joke as Lurch's about the guys in Iraq.
I've finally put my thoughts together and decided to comment on this issue. Drones need to be used much more selectively and never against the theremine. Plus, leaving your purse in the bridge in order to get out of going to a funeral is totally unacceptable. And, why shoud I buy anything from that Amazon woman?
My brother in law is absolutely brilliant but has always been the absent minded professor. My sister is an accountant with an incredibly organized mind.
Of course she got the Alzheimer's. I am more like her so to be around them, he never could remember where he put his keys and she is now like "what keys," completely frustrating. Not to mention incredibly sad. But it iss like an Abbott and Costello bit 100% of the time at their house now.
Regarding my comment at noon, and then looking at the comments on this thread since then ...
[sighs, shakes head sadly]
Any body seen my keys?
My Mother had Alzheimers. So did her Dad. And three of her five sisters. My Dad too, and two of his brothers. Now my 70 year old sister has been diagnosed with it as well. I am only 58 but understandably scared. It is an awful, awful disease. It broke my heart when my parents no longer knew their own children and grandchildren. It exhausted me to deal with their paranoia, anger, confusion. My once dignified Mother would have been appalled by what she became. She is one like Inga described who endured the news of my Dads death as "new" every day until she eventually forgot him too. I've told my kids to push me in front of a truck when i start behaving like Grandma.
Nothing funny about it.
My Mother had Alzheimers. So did her Dad. And three of her five sisters. My Dad too, and two of his brothers. Now my 70 year old sister has been diagnosed with it as well. I am only 58 but understandably scared. It is an awful, awful disease. It broke my heart when my parents no longer knew their own children and grandchildren. It exhausted me to deal with their paranoia, anger, confusion. My once dignified Mother would have been appalled by what she became. She is one like Inga described who endured the news of my Dads death as "new" every day until she eventually forgot him too. I've told my kids to push me in front of a truck when i start behaving like Grandma.
Nothing funny about it.
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