Caballero... offers the videographer an excuse to get out of trouble is she gets caught committing voter fraud: “Come up with like if anyone checks say ‘I don’t know.’”This is James O’Keefe/Project Veritas material, and he says he's got more like that.
ADDED: The link goes to The Daily Caller where the headline — "Obama campaign staffer caught helping activist vote twice" — has an ambiguity that undercuts the power of the story. Maybe it was just a really helpful staffer who helped a woman who needed help and then needed help again.
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Why was there some foreign Dr talking over the video, trying to sell me a medical procedure?
Oh my.
Organizing for America you say?
Isn't that part of President Obama's re-election effort?
That would make them democrats, right?
Some people who regularly comment here are going to be very upset and say, "Look! Over there! A flying monkey?"
Vote fraud never happens......
As I say, almost as much fun as sex.
Oh, I am sure team Romney is doing as much or more... I heard they were soliciting Soros to set up a hack into the electronic voting machines.
It's so ridiculous to think that a campaign that intentionally disables CVV credit-card security would ever, ever assist vote fraud. Why, that OfA worker had clearly never heard of such a thing as multiple voting before known felon James O'Keefe brought it up to her.
There must be a simple explanation. And I'm sure that Axelrod's getting right to the bottom of this even as I type.
The Obama official seems surprised, she does try to help the woman, but it isn't as if they have a back room with hundreds of ballots.
On the one hand, the video doesn't reveal a coordinated voter fraud strategy emanating from those OFA offices.
But on the other hand, there doesn't seem to be much of an appreciation of the legal and moral implications of voter fraud.
Alex Karras just died of kidney failure @ 77. In honor we should consume beans, sit around a campfire, and fart.
Garage Mahal assured me that only Republicans assist in voter fraud.
@spinelli, I'm gonna lay down some extra money on this week's NFL games in his memory.
Too soon?
For all the talk of voter ID and fraud at polling places, the easiest form of voting fraud is enabled when ballots are sent/received through the mail.
Not to cast aspersions on the U.S.P.S. But they can't verify that the ballot has not been tampered with after delivery, or intercepted between delivery and deposit to be mailed back.
The Postal Service doesn't know who is a registered voter in what areas. And State authorities don't often verify that registrants have been removed from other voter lists.
It's a thorny problem.
So thorny, that a woman who challenged Indiana's Voter ID law was found to be registered to vote in both Florida and in Indiana.
Even when Florida law required her to list previous residences/voter-registrations. (That part of her Florida voter registration form was reported to be left blank...)
Vote fraud happens.
It may be happening below the margin-of-victory in most cases. But not always. And unless fraud is made easier to detect, then we won't know for sure how large the fraud problem is.
Nothing to see here, move along
The Obama official seems surprised, she does try to help the woman, but it isn't as if they have a back room with hundreds of ballots.
-- says the ethical "differently abled" commenter.
This election certainly has the potential to be close enough to be stolen by a bit of fraud.
"This election certainly has the potential to be close enough to be stolen by a bit of fraud."
I'm not so sure about the close deal anymore. At least assuming Biden and Barry bomb their debates which is likely.
Ask Senator Coleman or Governor Rossi if vote fraud occurs.
James O'Keefe you magnificent bastard!
And nd says I get it wrong.
Mongo didn't eat beans.
He punched the horse.
And was just pawn in game of life.
The basis of every attack on voter ID laws has always been, "There's NO proof of voter fraud. Ever. Period."
Well, your move Sarah Silverman...
For me, the thing that makes this even more interesting, is that the DoJ, under Eric Holder, has worked tirelessly to prevent states from implementing mechanisms, such as requiring a photo ID, to reduce voter fraud. One might be led to think that this all was a concerted effort to win the election by any means possible, fair or foul. And, esp. since the winner gets to appoint the top staff at the Department of Justice, who otherwise might investigate such.
OFA, CRP, whatever. The more things change...
So it's true! Republican activists want to suppress the vote, just like Democrats have been claiming.
However, the Democrats haven't said that Voter ID and other efforts will suppress LEGITIMATE votes, IIRC. Could be the dog that didn't bark...
Mark,
Read some of my other posts, I'm not pro-Obama, however, in order for this to be a "big" story, they'd need video of coordinated widespread big-numbers fraud. Hopefully they have that too, but a ballot here and a ballot there can be offset by some of the Republican shenanigans in Florida. This will get some play on the right, but unless they have something bigger, it is a few ballots and a few Obamanuts.
And where did I make a moral judgement about this, obviously voter fraud is wrong, but a couple of ballots aren't going to make this a big story.
"CRP"?
AFAIK Pheasants Forever has nothing to do with voter fraud.
ERH MAH GAWD! I can't possibly judge this video without the full video. Release the tapes James! The kids can haz the full tapez!
BarryD: think of past election history.
Foreign credit card donations, burning embassies and consulates, staffers committing voter fraud, selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, senior cabinet officials campaigning illegally on the job, killing American citizens with drone strikes, drilling moratoriums and canceled pipelines as Californians line up for gasoline that has increased in price 40% in two weeks...gee what's NOT to like about this administration?
I mean, this is a Liberal dream candidate, right? Hello? Garage?
Well what do you know! Another vital piece of information that would be on the front page of every newspaper if the president had an R at the end of his name. Funny how none of this ever makes the mainstream news.
We now have a media class that is openly hostile to 1/2 of the country, and completely in the tank for one political party. We've ceased being a free country when the media actively agitates for the government. We might as well be Venezuala.
"The Sheriff's Department in one of Wisconsin's most heavily Democratic counties has begun handing out absentee ballots to inmates and deputies are being told not to verify the inmate's felony status before they are handed the ballot. "In my opinion," wrote one Dane County Sheriff's deputy, "this is causing us to be complicit in the crime."
http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesykes/172958621.html
So, the justification for enabling vote fraud is, if you choose not to see it then you can claim there's no evidence that it happened?
Maybe it was just a really helpful staffer who helped a woman who needed help and then needed help again.
The article makes clear the headline assertion means what people not searching for excuses will believe they mean: that the staffer knew the voter intended to vote twice. Headlines can't be written to forestall every possible excuse.
"And where did I make a moral judgement about this, obviously voter fraud is wrong, but a couple of ballots aren't going to make this a big story."
O'Keefe says he has more videos in a similar vein. My guess is he's going to play them out like he did the ACORN videos, showing a pattern (one might even say culture) of corruption.
FWIW, I think someone who thinks a voter is "so cute" for being concerned about voting twice would be quite comfortable processing a few hundred fraudulent values. One fraudulent ballot is cute. 1000 is beautiful.
...And was just pawn in game of life.
...and liked candy.
gmama3: Fraudulent voters are like cockroaches. If you turn on the camera and catch one in action, you can be sure there are thousands you didn't see, just out of sight. By the way, how come ONE comment by a conservative that might be construed as insensitive is taken as incontrovertible proof of a lifetime of racism, but multiple occasions of vote fraud do not indicate a problem with the systems in place? Why do we need to keep dead people and felons on voter rolls? Why do Democrats fight so hard to keep ID from being used? Some questions are just so hard to answer!
Voter fraud is hardly the product of some conservative fever dream.
A few weeks ago, the Mike Rosen show in Denver, CO spoke with an immigration attorney caller who discussed that his practice includes attempting to convince the IRS that his immigrant clients who illegally registered and voted did so by mistake and should not be barred from applying for citizenship.
""In my opinion," wrote one Dane County Sheriff's deputy, "this is causing us to be complicit in the crime."
Forget it, Jake, it's Dane County.
If I were in California and I wanted a few extra votes for my guy, I'd pass out a bunch of voter registration cards at the Home Depot waiting area, or any other place illegal workers hang out.
If they are using a Social Security number to work, they can use it to register to vote. And once registered, there is nothing anyone can do to stop that person from voting.
""The Sheriff's Department in one of Wisconsin's most heavily Democratic counties has begun handing out absentee ballots to inmates and deputies are being told not to verify the inmate's felony status before they are handed the ballot. "In my opinion," wrote one Dane County Sheriff's deputy, "this is causing us to be complicit in the crime."
This is Dane County, which is home to Madison. Fortunately, the Milwaukee County Sheriff won't be playing these games.
You know those thuggish "click it or ticket" campaigns the Departmenet of Transportation ahs been spending our money on the past 8 years? When Romney gets im, he has GOT to order the Justice Dept. to run a similar series of commericals on voter fraud. With very clear images of people gettign arrested and going to prison. Start spreading the message. it's an absolute joke that in this country "discrimination" - which in 99 out of 100 cases isnt even real - is trumpeted and talked about, but voter fraud, the crux of democracy, is all but ignored.
If people are allowed to vote twice, why wouldn't they?
If campaign staffers can help people vote twice, why wouldn't they?
Lance Armstrong is getting outed in the press again today. His teammate is detailing the depth of the doping they (allegedly) did. Our hero, Lance Armstrong.
People cheat at every single thing.
Lefties: stealing one election after another.
Chavez, Obama...
It's the left wing way!
You know, lefties remind me of professional wrestling bad guy...
"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."
Mark, I don't disagree, but do you think that if the rest of the O'Keefe videos are similar, a vote here, a vote there all perpetrated by an O'Keefe plant it will gain traction? I think they need an Obama person ringleading it to make a difference. I think it exists.
I think we need to focus on the lies and incompetence in Libya and the economy, after all swing voters probably believe voter ID laws are "just as bad". Focus on this if we win.
not to the GOP mind. handing someone a pencil or holding open a door throws these nitwits into a frenzy.
Mike, gas has increased 40% in 2 weeks in CA...and they will still vote, overwhelmingly, for Obama. Lessons remain unlearned.
The friend of a former Navy SEAL who was recently killed during attacks in Libya says that his friend “would definitely not approve” of Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney invoking his name to score political points.
Over the past week, Romney has been recalling a chance meeting with former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty years ago to get an edge on President Barack Obama after attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that resulted in the death of the veteran, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and other Americans.
The former Massachusetts governor appeared to get choked up on Tuesday as he told a crowd in Iowa that he had met Doherty when he mistakenly attended the wrong neighborhood party.
“We had a lot of things in common,” Romney said. “You can imagine how I felt when I found out that he was one of the two former Navy SEALs killed in Benghazi on Sept. 11th.”
But Elf Ellefsen, a friend of Doherty’s, said that the former SEAL’s recollection of Romney was not as favorable.
“He said it was very comical,” Ellefsen told Ron & Don radio show producer Libby Denkmann. “Mitt Romney approached him ultimately four times, using this private gathering as a political venture to further his image. He kept introducing himself as Mitt Romney, a political figure. The same introduction, the same opening line. Glen believed it to be very insincere and stale.”
“He said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen’s face.”
Although Doherty was a member of the advisory board of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), Ellefsen said that he was non-political and “would not approve” Romney using his name.
“Whether it be Republican, Democrat, Green Party, Libertarian, it doesn’t make a difference,” Ellefsen explained. “Because this guy is using our great friend, our humble, and honorable great friend… who is truly larger than life… He has become part of the soapbox routine for politics in a presidential race.”
“Honestly it does make me sick. Glen would definitely not approve of it. He probably wouldn’t do much about it. He probably wouldn’t say a whole lot about it. I think Glen would feel, more than anything, almost embarrassed for Romney. I think he would feel pity for him.”
Speaking to WHDH, Doherty’s mother also called on the GOP hopeful to stop using her son’s name on the campaign trail.
“I don’t trust Romney,” Barbara Doherty told the station. “He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
Roberto, so talking about your meeting with someone who is killed is worse than letting him get killed and lying about it to fit your political purposes.
The friend's account of the meeting is hearsay, but even if it is true, OBAMA went to bed while the marine was being murdered, then he flew to Vegas for a fundraiser and watched a lot of football.
Got it.
And Susan Rice lied about Glen's mission there, in order to make it sound like Stevens had the protection he needed.
I wonder what he would have thought of that.
We need a new form of Living Will. To let people know how your death can be used by a politician (or your family ((((Cindy Sheehan))))
gmama3 said...
I think they need an Obama person ringleading it to make a difference. I think it exists.
First, I disagree. The point is to reduce fraud, so all we need to do is show it's ocurring and enact the basic protections we all know we should be taking now.
Second, you're never going to find someone even remotely high up the chain "ringleading". This isn't how such things are done. The tactic is to stoke outrage and extoll personal action so senior officials maintain plausible deniability.
White supremacists developed a mythology of personal independent action which they call upon by referencing the phrase "lone wolf". On the left they've developed a similarly action inspiring mythology "By Any Means Necessary", which they call upon by accusing Republicans of racism, greed, or destroying the environment among other things. The decision to undertake action is taken at a very low level, not always individually but at most in small groups.
"Only twice? Rookie." -Chicago Dem
@gmama3:
I hope you're right. I hope that this kind of fraud is noise that doesn't alter the signal of valid votes.
So far, we have proof that a couple of campaign staffers have no moral scruples about encouraging voters to commit fraud by enrolling in two States, and voting absentee in one State.
The things we don't know:
1. Whether this attitude is limited to the lucky few that O'Keefe has released video about, or is endemic inside the campaign staff.
2. The number of voters who are registered in multiple States. (Compare to the story I linked earlier about the woman who challenged Indiana's Voter ID law...who was registered to vote in both Florida and Indiana.)
3. Whether the Obama campaign has any higher-ups who encourage vote fraud, but not in ways that would lead to them being caught on camera.
4. Whether the Obama campaign (or any affiliated organizations) actively engage in generating false registrations, or other forms of fraud. (As I said, it is much easier to vote fraudulently via absentee ballot than by showing up at a polling location.)
At the moment, all we have is O'Keefe's video.
And a larger media that doesn't care to investigate potential vote fraud.
"I'm not pro-Obama, however, in order for this to be a "big" story, they'd need video of coordinated widespread big-numbers fraud."
It's very difficult to obtain evidence of "coordinated widespread big-numbers fraud" when the people ostensibly responsible for detecting and preventing fraud actively prevent such evidence from being gathered.
If vote fraud was treated as a major felony with a stiff mandatory minimum sentence and very hefty fine that would go a long way to curbing this outrage. Photo ID was a national database to cross check state registrations (to avoid voting in two jurisdictions) would also help.
It appears the democrats believe that there aren't qualified private sector citizens who would vote democrat for them to win hence the fraud.
"In my opinion," wrote one Dane County Sheriff's deputy, "this is causing us to be complicit in the crime."
That's true. He should refuse to comply. Or exit the law enforcement field.
"Obviously, the deputy will have to ensure the ink pen is returned and accounted for after the inmate completes the ballot."
I'm relieved to know that, in the course of abetting a serious crime, these law enforcement professionals are taking care not to allow inmates to pilfer the office supplies.
(Yes, I know ink pens can be dangerous. So is vote fraud.)
chickelit said...
Garage Mahal assured me that only Republicans assist in voter fraud.
He'll be here as soon as gets his talking points from the DNC.
cubanbob said..."If vote fraud was treated as a major felony..."
Can you provide any factual evidence of widespread voter fraud?
Cubanbob -"OBAMA went to bed while the marine was being murdered, then he flew to Vegas for a fundraiser and watched a lot of football."
Where was G.W. when the Bin Laden warning came across his desk?
For that matter, where the fuck is he now?
It would be difficult under current law to substantiate widespread voter fraud, since our current election model is "trust but don't verify"
If preventing someone from exercising their "constitutional right to vote" so undermines their basic human rights, as to make them less of a citizen, then even a single fraudulent 2nd vote by one person dilutes and makes worthless every rightful vote.
Levi Starks - Once again: Provide any factual evidence of widespread voter fraud.
For that matter...any real voter fraud...anywhere.
The link goes to The Daily Caller where the headline — "Obama campaign staffer caught helping activist vote twice" — has an ambiguity that undercuts the power of the story.
PJ Media link:
http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/10/10/latest-okeefe-video-shows-obama-campaign-voter-fraud/
This one acutally says VOTER FRAUD in the headline and was written by a former DOJ Voting Rights Section attorney. Happy now?
One thing for everybody to keep in the back of their heads:
OFA is also the outfit raking in the dubious credit card donations.
If you know American history, any similarities to the Credit Mobilier may not be coincidental.
Roberto: "For that matter...any real voter fraud...anywhere."
Here ya go, moron!*
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/104093479.html
* Or is this intemperate? Are we supposed to be nice to people who write things they know to be bullshit?
Or try this, Roberto.
http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp
And before you scream, "Republican site!" the instances are linked to sources.
Now stop lying.
This doesn't seem terribly damning to me.
Roberto, Bush isn't running.
Roberto, nice to see the goalposts moved from 'any fraud' to 'widespread' fraud. Please define what you mean by 'widespread', is there a number you would adhere to in your definition of 'widespread' or if 1000 cases were proved, would that not be 'widespread'?
I was struck by the fact that - so far - the people who are going along with it seem a little shocked by it. Is it that they've never seen this before? Or is it that it's usually done more subtly?
There's nothing ambiguous about the headline. The adverb twice appears with the "vote" verb and not the "help" verb. The verb "caught" is another clue.
But wait ... there's more
I love this kid.
The friend of a former Navy SEAL who was recently killed during attacks in Libya says that his friend “would definitely not approve” of Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney invoking his name to score political points.
And if Obama wasn't utterly unincompetent, the man in question would still be alive to raise that objection.
Revenant - And if G.W. was paying attention 3,000 would be alive today.
Matt - "54 fake voter registrations???"
54???????
You're an idiot.
Why are so many dumb people frequenting a law professor's blog site.
Does this somehow make you feel smarter?
Here's a tip: It doesn't.
Roberto said...
Why are so many dumb people frequenting a law professor's blog site.
Does this somehow make you feel smarter?
Here's a tip: It doesn't.
Hmmm. When you think you're the smartest person in the room.........you're not.
here ya go Roberto.
Criminal investigations could be launched against at least six voter registration workers who tried to add dead, imprisoned or imaginary people to the voter rolls, according to the Milwaukee Election Commission and the organization that employed them.
Officials are reviewing some 200 to 300 fraudulent voter registration cards, Sue Edman, the commission's executive director, said Wednesday.
And even though the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now caught the fraud and reported it before the cards were turned in, the incident revived a four-year-old partisan debate over the integrity of Wisconsin's voter registration process, as political groups step up efforts to sign up voters for the Nov. 4 presidential election.
"One woman called us to complain because her husband has been dead for 10 years and a voter registration was submitted," Edman said.
In about 12 cases, deputy registrars paid by ACORN were "making people up or registering people that were still in prison," said Carolyn Castore, ACORN's state political director.
And in other cases, workers used the same address for numerous voters or used driver's license numbers that did not fit the voters' birth dates, Edman said. But most of the fraud involved submitting duplicate cards for voters who were already registered, and forging the voters' signatures, Castore said.
ACORN found the problems and fired a dozen workers, Castore said. Five of them appeared to be working together, she added.
But under state law, all of the voter registration cards collected had to be turned in to the election commission, even if they were clearly fraudulent or incomplete, Edman said. ACORN sent in all the cards its workers had submitted, but flagged the fraudulent or incomplete ones.
Edman said she has referred six individuals to the Milwaukee County district attorney's office for investigation. More could be referred within the next few days, after the commission staff finishes its review of the registration cards, she said.
Castore said her group would cooperate fully with any official investigation. A prosecutor in the district attorney's white-collar crime unit did not return a call seeking comment.
Then there is the 135,000 non existant Milwaukee black voters.
Still feel all brainy and shit?
Roberto = Ritmo.
Bad faith.
Mongo didn't eat beans.
Mongo did eat beans. He engulfed beans.
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Roberto, what is this "54" you keep referring to? And do you seriously think every instance of voter fraud is caught? Seriously, stop lying and get unstuck from stupid.
Plus, you asked for ANY voter fraud and provided you with examples of A LOT.
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