Oktubre 11, 2012

Live-blogging the big VP debate.

6:45 Central Time: Get ready!

7:18: "Paul Ryan's very attractive to a lot of women," opines David Gergen on the CNN pre-show. I have the DVR set to play the debate on CNN, but I'm thinking of changing because they're going to display focus group reactions on screen — colored lines — through the whole thing. I want to form my own opinion!

7:47: CNN commentators are finding a hundred different ways to say that the debate will be affected by having the candidates sitting and physically close together. Somehow, it will be harder to fight, at least in a personal way.

8:03: Game on. First question is about Libya and the absence of protests. Biden goes first, not focusing on the question asked, the massive failure of intelligence. Ryan takes notes.

8:06: Biden talks about tracking down terrorists to the "gates of Hell," as Ryan smiles. Ryan immediately attacks the President for blaming the YouTube video. We should have had a Marine detachment protecting Chris Stevens. We've been "projecting weakness abroad." We're witnessing "the unraveling of Obama foreign policy."

8:09: Biden is being rude, laughing and mouthing words.  And Ryan is talking about serious national security matters. Biden mutters an interruption. When Biden is given a turn, he calls what Ryan said "malarky." Biden stutters and falters and has to say "uh" about 5 times before he can come up with the word "Iran."

8:12: "We weren't told they wanted more security," Biden says, and now it's Ryan who laughs — a little scoff.

8:13: Should the U.S. apologize? Ryan says "yes" re urinating on Korans — which the moderator (Raddatz) mentioned — but not "for standing up for our values."

8:15: Ryan is speaking earnestly about preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and Biden is chuckling toothily, his body shaking like Santa Claus. Biden says if Republicans had had control of the sanctions, the rest of the world wouldn't have followed us. These were "the most crippling sanctions." Biden goes on and on assuring us that Iran is far from being able to deliver a nuclear bomb. He accuses the Republicans of "loose talk."

8:19: Biden talks to "Bibi" all the time and so does Obama. What Ryan says is "a bunch of stuff." When Ryan speaks, Biden is laughing clownishly again. It looks just awful. Ryan isn't rattled by it. I think he knows Biden looks foolish.

8:23: Biden is acting as though he cannot physically tolerate Ryan having a turn to speak!

8:25: Economics. Biden grabs the opportunity to push the 47% theme. He's "had it up to here," he says, with wealthy people not paying their fair share.  He sounds really cranky and angry. Ryan: "Joe and I are from similar towns." And in Janesville, his home town, unemployment has gone from 8.5% to 10%. Biden busts out another big grin.

8:29: "The Vice President very well knows that the words don't always come out the right way," Ryan says, getting a laugh, defending Romney from the 47% charge. Instead of taking this graciously, Biden mutters something about how he believes everything he says. Ryan tells some stories about Romney's charity toward the unfortunate, which includes someone that was in a car accident, and Biden takes the opportunity to remind us that his own wife died in a car crash, which is sad, but oddly misplaced.

8:33: Ryan talks about "green pork" in the stimulus, and Biden gets all cranked up about how Ryan sought stimulus money for his district. Biden continually interrupts Ryan in a way I find incredibly annoying.

8:36: While Ryan is talking about Medicare helping his mother and grandmother, Biden sighs long and loud. Sighing! Remember when Gore got in no end of trouble for sighing? How can Biden not know that?!

8:39: "They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggy bank for Obamacare," says Ryan. Biden interrupts. Ryan says: "Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think everyone will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other." I love the politeness of "if we don't keep" — we — when Biden has been an interruption machine and Ryan has barely interrupted and only occasionally has talked over to keep from losing his turn. The moderator, Martha Raddatz has done nothing at all to control Biden, who is, I think, hurting himself. Biden says: "Well, don't take all 4 minutes then." He should have said, "All right" or something reasonably conciliatory.

8:51: The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling? Ryan needs nerves of steel not to lose his cool. I'm impressed that Ryan, when he gets his turn, is able to speak in an even, natural voice. It's hard to concentrate on the policy itself, because the emotional static is so strong.

9:11: Biden has been yelling at Martha Raddatz for the last 15 minutes (as the subject is war). It's so inappropriate!

9:21: They're asked to talk about how their Catholicism has informed their position on abortion. Ryan isn't pro-life "simply because of" his Catholicism. It's also about science and reason. He talks of seeing his bean-shaped unborn child on a sonogram. Biden says "My religion informs who I am." He accepts the Catholic position on abortion that life begins at conception, but he refuses to impose that on others.

9:27: The last question is about negative campaigning. Biden rambles. Paul Ryan attributes the negativity to Obama's failures: he has nothing to run on.

9:34: Wait. That wasn't the last question. There's a question about character: What do you bring as a man? Nothing particularly interesting was extracted by that question.

9:35: Now, closing statements.

9:48: That debate was so annoying! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones. Okay, well, but independents were watching, and Biden was horribly rude. He created this disturbing atmosphere of anxiety.

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Nora ayon kay ...

Oh no! Did I hear correctly? We [Obama and Co] are asking Saudis whom to support in Syria?

Tim ayon kay ...

Not watching the debate, but I am reading these comments.

Inga's the outlier. Clearly the crowd thinks Biden is losing, badly...while Inga wants to email Biden a blow job.

Yuck.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

How is Biden playing to moderates? Based on Facebook, he's lighting up his base. Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Ryan's a little to proud of his egghead status.

He needs to learn to speak a little more folksy.

caplight45 ayon kay ...

Your probably right Macho. Sad thing is Joe is just being Joe. He;s always been a buffoon.

David ayon kay ...

Given up commenting, haven't you Althouse.

Can't say I blame you.

Christopher ayon kay ...

The fact that Allie of all people thinks Biden needs to calm down tells me all I need to know about how this is going to play in the media.

jr565 ayon kay ...

Inga wrote:

Let the Afghans take care of themselves! We are done there.

so then why wait till 2014? Clearly we are not done there.

bob ayon kay ...

maybe after msnbc hammered obama so hard for being passive, biden decided to do his best impression of chris matthews. it's not bad.

ALH ayon kay ...

Ironically, Biden seems better on defending his shitty domestic policy then he is on his shitty foreign policy.

gadfly ayon kay ...

First Biden got his tongue tied. He said Syria was five times the geographic area of Afghanistan. He meant Libya and nobody was talking about Libya.

David ayon kay ...

Ryan isn't explaining what he and Romney would do differently in Syria. Joe is angry.

I'm Full of Soup ayon kay ...

I am listening to Ryan respond to Biden's ultra-defensive defense of the admin's policy on Syria and am so impressed Ryan is answering so thoughtfully and reasonably. HTF can anyone NOT vote for Romney & Ryan against the two dopes Obama and Biden?

NoraCharles ayon kay ...

How long has Biden been preparing for this debate? Ryan is so impressive. Quick on his feet and in complete control of his emotions.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

And another thing, who in their right mind would have - and keep - Joe Biden.

David ayon kay ...

Smirk!!!!!

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

One guy seems like a fiery, politicking senator, the other guy seems like a cool-headed executive, you know like a vice president or something.

Cedarford ayon kay ...

cubanbob said...
Biden lies so shamelessly. Ryan should just tell him to shut the fuck up and stop butting in. And Raddatz is obviously in the tank for Biden.

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I think Ryan is just letting Joe run as an obnoxious bloviating jackass...I think his interruptions and constant shit eating grin of mockery are not going over with the public.

Last time someone gave me a shit eating grin of spite like that, I smiled back and sucker punched him.
I was 28. Now I would just let the guy grin away and make a total case to the public he is an asshole.

As for Martha - definitely leans Democrat.
But Biden is so out of control obnoxious and disrespectful of her questioning being allowed to get an answer...that even she is looking annoyed at his buffoonary.

Biden calling Radditch a liar probably didn't help.

Alex ayon kay ...

Ryan has done 9 90minute prep sessions for this. Of course he's doing well.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Biden sure is snippy isn't he?

Tim ayon kay ...

"Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?"

Althouse Lesson #1: Only conservatives are penalized for being aggressive. Liberal Democrats? Free pass. Especially if it concerns race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Nora ayon kay ...

More of the same: Saudis advise on who are "free forces" in Syria, according to Biden. What teh heck? Since when Saudis are champions of freedom and democracy in the Middle East?

john ayon kay ...

I think that if I were listening to this on radio instead of watching it, I would conclude that Biden is a good debator and that the debate is close, if not in Biden's favor.

But I'm watching, and Biden is incredibly off-puting.

but I am a robot ayon kay ...

Did you guys know there's a soundtrack to Biden's portion of the debate?

Alex ayon kay ...

What must liberals do to not be toxic & repulsive to Althouse?

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Ryan Score!

Tyrone Slothrop ayon kay ...

Raddatz tries to cut Ryan off again.

edutcher ayon kay ...

Interesting to watch the look on Joe's face when Martha asks Ryan what happens if Assad doesn't fall.

As if the thought never entered his head.

Which it probably hasn't.

Kelly ayon kay ...

I had to stop watching. My husband, who isn't big into politics, just came out and said he didn't think he could take much more because (and I quote), Biden is acting like a fucking dick. He wanted to know who that bitch (the moderator, presumably) is. I filled him in on her background, he wasn't surprised.

LoafingOaf ayon kay ...

I'm not familiar with this moderator. She's kinda creepy and looks like she's about to cry.

Tim ayon kay ...

Almost Ali said...


"And another thing, who in their right mind would have - and keep - Joe Biden."

Obama's first executive decision.

As Charlie Sheen would say, "Winning."

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Ahhhh the abortion question..

I wonder if Biden will admit that he himself was aborted.

Ryan obviously prepared for this.

Alex ayon kay ...

Ryan hedging on whether Romney admin would intervene on a strict humanitarian basis.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Will either candidate address the rights of fathers in their children?

LoafingOaf ayon kay ...

Ryan's answering this abortion question very well!

Tim ayon kay ...

Alex said...

"What must liberals do to not be toxic & repulsive to Althouse?"

Nothing.

Nothing at all.

Banzel ayon kay ...

Syria is five times as large, geographically, as Libya, says Biden as he proclaims "the facts."

But Libya is 679,000 sq miles with 1.8 million people (about the area of Alaska, with three times the population). Syria is 71,500 sq miles with 2.5 million people (about the size of Washington state, with about 40% of the population).

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

DT: "Losing control"?? You're watching a different debate than me. Biden is in complete control - with some help from the moderator. Respectfully, I believe you were pretty convinced Obama was doing well last week - and wrong. Biden has won this handily. No big switch in polls tho.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Another score for Ryan.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Joe Biden is actually what people imagined John McCain to be so that they could vote for Obama....and Joe Biden. That's tripping me out.

Tyrone Slothrop ayon kay ...

Freeman Hunt said...

How is Biden playing to moderates? Based on Facebook, he's lighting up his base. Is the aggressive thing working with moderates like it is for the base or is it putting the moderates off?



Ask Althouse-- she's the expert on how moderates think. For some reason, only Republicans are capable of offending moderates.

Banzel ayon kay ...

Syria is five times as large, geographically, as Libya, says Biden, as he proclaims "the facts."

Libya is 679,000 sq miles with 1.8 million people (about the area of Alaska, with three times the population). Syria is 71,500 sq miles with 2.5 million people (about the size of Washington state, with about 40% of the population).

David ayon kay ...

Nobody on either side has the guts to say we might take military action in Syria. But Biden is looking better on this one. Mainly because R&R are criticizing without an alternative. Of course Obama has no solution either.Fail on both sides.

B ayon kay ...

I think I'm going to pray for Barack Obama's health and well being until at best Jan 2013 and at worst Jan 2017. Because I do not want this jackass anywhere near the nuclear football.

Tim ayon kay ...

Gotta go.

Shopping.

Hope this is done by the time I return.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

The absolute last thing I care about when it comes to abortion policy is what someone's personal religion says abou it. Could we get more irrelevant? Thanks to Ryan for switching to the oh-so-obvious science.

edutcher ayon kay ...

Since Joe is so proud of our Arab allies, Ryan ought to ask him why he and Zero prefer them to our own intel people.

Especially since they saw the Libya attacks coming.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Personhood laws, will Romney sign? With all the flip flopping, really who knows?

David ayon kay ...

Abortion is between the woman their doctor and the Supreme Court? Have they a clinic down there?

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Sudden lowering of tone and reverence from Biden as he talks about government and religion as if they are the same thing.

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

Pastaman, you're making the mistake of thinking factually again--a trait Biden is obviously unencumbered with..

cubanbob ayon kay ...

Joe is such a Catholic (as he says) that he thinks the taxpayers should fund abortions.

Unknown ayon kay ...

The day that American foreign policy is based on humanitarian interest is the day of, well, nonsense. We don't operate foreign policy on the base of feelings. We engage in foreign policy on the base of national interest. Humanitarian interest is bullshit policy wanking.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

So the answer is YES, be worried.

Known Unknown ayon kay ...

Inga doesn't give a shit about Tel Aviv.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BIDEN JUST DESTROYED RYAN, WITH THE ABORTION RESPONSE.

BIDEN WILL BE THE TOAST OF THE MSM TONIGHT.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Ryan just lost Althouse.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

OMG
The court!
This works against the Obama administration. Strange that Biden brings that up.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

VODKAPUNDIT: 7:19PM Biden is flat-out lying about the contraception mandate. Big fat hairy lie.

Alex ayon kay ...

Kagan & Sotomayer had no agenda.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

The moderator seems fine to me.

cubanbob ayon kay ...

Being the Catholic the he claims to be, what does Joe have against a good Catholic like Scalia?

Progressively Defensive ayon kay ...

I think Biden is doing well actually. But it feels like 2-1, Biden and Raddatz v. Ryan. She wans the NPR foreign affairs reporter. What!?!?

Is Ryan going to point out that the middle class suffered worst under Obama.

"What are you Kennedy, now?" Raddatz should have quieted him. Raddatz is letting Biden interrupt and Ryan is not interrupting back.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

The "open mind," "no agenda" comment about the justices was the first laugh out loud moment for me.

bob ayon kay ...

yelling at the moderator: I guess there is a war on women after all. (no wonder she invited obama to her wedding and not biden.)

Cedarford ayon kay ...

After the 1st 45 minutes, Biden seemed to be realizing that he was close to being out of control enough that undecided voters might have concerns about his mental fitness.
He seems to have toned it down.
The damage might have been done though....not a few voters in the independent ranks thought Sarah Palin was unfit to step in if something happened to the President.

Joe Biden might have awoken a similar unease.

David ayon kay ...

We are now in bullshit territory in the final answers. Biden does good bullshit.

the co-owner ayon kay ...

I think Joe's meds are starting to kick in.

Methadras ayon kay ...

This will give zero bounce to Urkel. Next Romney debate will widen the gap. Ryan shoved joes shit back in his mouth.

john ayon kay ...

I liked Martha too. I guess I didn't have many expectations that way.

Yes, I think our hostess is now filling out her early voting card. Straight ticket, D.

Methadras ayon kay ...

Meandering doddering fool known as Joe Bidden. What a putz.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

In the end only the faithful will think Biden won this. Inga, garage, shiloh and people like them. But Biden was an ass and Ryan did pretty well considering he had to debate both the moderator and him. Next week will tell.

Green ayon kay ...

So ... Bidets answe to how do you answer negative campaigning is ... Go heavily negative.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Exactly!
Who is going negative. Sanctimonious BS from Biden.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"The moderator seems fine to me."

Did you just see her prevent Ryan from responding when he asked to? She has been cutting him off like that all night and challenging Ryan on many more answers than she has to Biden, which I think she did only three times.

Amartel ayon kay ...

Biden is an angry clown. He is everything that people hate about politics and politicians.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

I hate these stupid questions about "tone" or "negativity" in campaigns. Every campaign is said to be the worst ever; they always say it's getting worse. It's not - campaigning has always been nasty business and it always will be.

ALH ayon kay ...

Ryan finally laid the fact hammer down with a litany of Obamas broken promises.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Ryan is impressive.

LilyBart ayon kay ...

The moderator seems fine to me.

Seriously?
Dude, are you watching the same debate as I am? Likely not.

Progressively Defensive ayon kay ...

Raddatz is horrible! She's in the tank ... for McGovern. Is she Nader in drag or something?

Ryan is not trashing the Obama record while both Biden and Raddatz are trashing Romney and Ryan for imaginary programs.

john ayon kay ...

Waterbag -

I noticed those, I just didn't think it was a big deal, at least compared to all the interuptions Biden made.

Which will end up helping Ryan.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BIDEN IS SO GOOD THAT OBAMA IS THINKING OF BEING THE VP IN NEXT TERM.

Methadras ayon kay ...

kicking out children from college and schools. Waffles!!!

edutcher ayon kay ...

Joe talks about the government's sacred obligation - singular.

Whatever happened to protecting constitutional rights and privileges?

Oh, yeah, those don't count.

The Constitution is a living document and the Demos have been trying to kill it for a hundred years.

LoafingOaf ayon kay ...

At least Biden isn't grinning and laughing as much in the last half hour.

Portia ayon kay ...

Joe almost didn't interrupt,but he couldn't help himself.

SukieTawdry ayon kay ...

The highest paid player in baseball is a useless fucking POS. So, how are things going over here??

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Go Ryan!

Ambrose ayon kay ...

How come Biden gets the last word on every question - even when he goes first?

ALH ayon kay ...

Strong closing by Ryan.

NoraCharles ayon kay ...

Biden's meds must have kicked in. He's finely simmered down.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Biden projects the bad things Romney might do... but Ryan LISTS the terrible things Obama HAS done!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Working with Democrats, riiiighhht.

Methadras ayon kay ...

Biden, time whiner.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Typical Raddatz crap question.

ALH ayon kay ...

After blustering all fucking night, Joe complains about not getting enough time and Radatz looks like shes going to bawl.

Methadras ayon kay ...

Yeah, Biden, we've heard what you'd do. Scumbag.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

Finally, Ryan decides to insist on getting a turn to talk.

Oh, wait, I spoke too soon. Sigh

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Two coin toss losses.

furious_a ayon kay ...

Biden: "We will leave in 2014."

Taliban: "Thank you, we'll wait 'till 2014+1 day to resume our offensive."

john ayon kay ...

Great ending Biden - Blame Bush!

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

--Two wars on a credit card. Own it.--

1500 year old war - no choice.


bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Inga, All wars are waged on credit. And yes, we do all own it. The thing is, we now do everything on credit, during war or peace.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

That was a brutal act of sodomy, not a debate. Joe will be walking funny for a week.

edutcher ayon kay ...

Seems like they told Ryan, "Just let Joe be Joe. Let him hang himself".

Which he pretty much did.

Be interesting to see if the ratings tanked before Joe stopped smirking and laughing.

If so, another bad night for the Demos.

Gahrie ayon kay ...

How come Biden gets the last word on every question - even when he goes first?

Because Martha has been deferential to Biden and confrontational with Ryan all night.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Did you just see her prevent Ryan from responding when he asked to?

Do don't ask. Biden certainly hasn't been asking. He's been pretty wild. Now he's been soothed. In the audience somewhere, someone is swinging a watch.

jr565 ayon kay ...

Joe has blustered himself hoarse.
And spoke about five true words his entire time.

_Jim ayon kay ...


Inga said...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

ALREADY PAID FOR ditz ... geez ...

Methadras ayon kay ...

Lol, the 47% for Bidens mom and dad. What a douche.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Listening to Biden is actually painful. He shoulda packed it in years ago.

cubanbob ayon kay ...

Biden keeps yammering about Wall Street while ignoring the fact that Wall Street is mostly democrat. Too bad Ryan hasn't commented on the fact that no poor person has ever signed a paycheck.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Oops. Was supposed to be "So don't ask."

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Ryan future looking.
Biden "It's Bush...It's Bush."

Lyssa ayon kay ...

Freeman, you missed a lot by coming in late, believe me.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Malarkey.

Dante ayon kay ...

I love the CNN clock. Biden says give me more time, when he has taken more time.

ALH ayon kay ...

nonsensical platitudinous closing from Biden.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Freeman, you missed a lot by coming in late, believe me.

I'm sure you're right.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Nice closing!

DADvocate ayon kay ...

Thank God, that she asked about abortion. There's nothing more important than a woman's right to kill her unborn child, except, maybe, the government pay for her birth control pills.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

Yes, Inga, Biden is full of malarkey.

Indigo Red ayon kay ...

Biden talk time: 41:32

Ryan talk time: 40:11

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

nonsensical platitudinous closing from Biden.

Okay, so it wasn't just me.

_Jim ayon kay ...



Ditz doesn't know economics ...

David ayon kay ...

Biden is going to level something. And it's going to be all right. Hussah!

Nice summary for Ryan.

Steve Austin ayon kay ...

Agree with Cedarford.....not sure how Biden is playing with independents but he sounds like an MSNBC host most of the night. Unhinged.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BIDEN'S CLOSING STATEMENT WAS A GRAND-SLAM.

IT IS OVER FOR RYAN. HE IS GOING TO WET HIS BED.

LoafingOaf ayon kay ...

LOL Drudge just has a huge pic of Biden's teeth.

Gahrie ayon kay ...

Working with Democrats, riiiighhht.

You apparently haven't been paying attention. The Republican Party has been Charlie Brown to the Democratic Party's Lucy for the last fifty years. Every time the Democrats promise to cooperate, and every time the Democrats pull the football away.

NoraCharles ayon kay ...

And now the spin begins.

Emil Blatz ayon kay ...

Biden is such an asshole. I'm confident this was at worst a draw, and a draw that doesn't cut a lot of ice with undecideds, or at best a significant Ryan win that moves the needle in the polls emerging in the next week.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Please,dear God, preserve and protect President Obama. If any thing happens to him, we are in the hands of of his VP, a smirking dolt.

john ayon kay ...

No the real test - who stays on stage longer.

Peachy ayon kay ...

Yeah Inga - and 3+ years of Obama-Pelosi out of control spending makes the 2 wars seem like pocket change. Or are you unaware of obama's 5 trillion in added debt?
Wasted Stimulus? Our money - gone.
All the faux solar companies that got millions upon millions of tax payer dollars and it all went up in smoke because Obama's donors pocketed our money.

jr565 ayon kay ...

Inga wrote:

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.

we, Inga didn't Obama escalate in Afghanistan? Why doesn't he have to own that?

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

$800B stimulus and serial $1T+ deficits on the credit card. Own it.

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

Fuck the traditional media. I want a new media moderated debate in 2016. I want Ann Althouse as the moderator!

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

CNN says it's a draw. The push goes to the Elephants! Biden HAD to dominate w. a clear win to change the trajectory of the campaign--on to the next debate..

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Biden reminds me much of our liberal trolls: garage, shiloh, Inga et al., who constantly inject one-liners and emotional heat into the debate with little good faith effort to discuss the issues.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Well DT Ryan closed better. Not such a blow out as I thought - Regards -

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Ryan killed!

john ayon kay ...

# kids on stage. This will determine the real winner.

Ryan

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

jr565 ayon kay ...

Inga,
Solyndra and all the non existent green jobs, record unemplyment, lack of recovery for 53 months. Own it.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

We're ugly, but they're very angry.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

It'll be seen as a draw, but Biden behaved like an ass.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Two wars on a credit card. Own it."

$800B stimulus and serial $1T+ deficits on the
credit card. Own it.

john ayon kay ...

Inga -

Ryan only lost one vote on abortion. We know who, and it's not you.

Known Unknown ayon kay ...

Two wars on a credit card. Own it.


As if wars are pre-planned and budgeted.

Your boyfriend helped fund them!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

RYAN WIL WET HIS BED.

GAIL COLLINS AND ARIANA HUFFINGTON ARE HAVING AN ORGASM AS BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

Yes, the most important thing is how women's vaginas feel.

Nothing else is important.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

If Obama wins abortion will go up!

_Jim ayon kay ...

And that, ladies and gentleman, is why you NEVER wrestle with a pig ...

*You* get dirty and the PIG enjoys, smirks, snorts and ENJOYS it ...

Progressively Defensive ayon kay ...

Good close by Ryan.

Raddatz was a pit-bull v. Ryan; all the time.

Ryan should have pointed out Biden's plagarism history at law a school and the speech he copied from the Labor Party UK guy when he said "he says what he means."

Ryan should have attacked Obama's record. No one's working; more and more dependent; he ended welfare-work.

Ryan was weak. I like him, but he was a mousy choir boy. Biden was good; played his bad hand firmly and well.

Biden voted for Iraq!

Ahhhhhh.

I shouldn't have watched; I want to scream better answers. I should have ran, but I have all these comic books to finish.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

If Althouse would've been the moderator, she would've told Biden to "shut the fuck up", LOL.

Peachy ayon kay ...

All Obama-Biden have IS abortion.

own it.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Biden lost it BIG TIME on foreign policy.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

Ryan lost it on abortion.

Yeah, saying he saw his child's heartbeat was pretty horrible.

bob ayon kay ...

speaking of "saving GM" from bankruptcy that the obama administration always cites, uh, excuse me, they went through bankruptcy. and GM survived. which they would have done without the infusion of taxpayer dollars that was spent so the unions wouldn't have to renegotiate their contracts. why doesn't ryan or romney or someone ever point this out? it makes me want to yell like biden. but seeing what he looks like when he does, i stop.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

A liberal law professor from Madison as a moderator? No thanks Oso.

Bob Ellison ayon kay ...

I have never witnessed a more one-sided drubbing in debate format.

Dr Weevil ayon kay ...

Ryan only "lost it on abortion" if you believe the bald-faced lie by Biden that overturning Roe v Wade would be the same as banning abortion. It would only return the issue to the 50 states legislatures, and most of them would (as most of them did before Roe v Wade) continue to allow abortion, though probably not many would allow it right up to birth. Anyone else think Inga was one of the people his lie was aimed at, those too stupid to know the difference?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BIDEN DESTROYED RYAN.

BIDEN KILLED RYAN.

BIDEN DISMEMBERED RYAN.

OBAMA TO FORMALLY REQUEST THAT HE, NOT BIDEN, SHOULD BE THE VP.

BIDEN IS TO BE ON MT. RUSHMORE.

DADvocate ayon kay ...

Biden's inappropriate smiling and smirking isn't anything new.

Titus ayon kay ...

I thought it was a good debate.

It was a draw.

Biden eye rolled and laughed too much and Ryan lied natch-he requested earmarks...sad.

tits.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

I don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a crushing victory by Ryan. Maybe your expectations were unrealistic -- you thought Biden would actually shit his pants on stage, reach into his fouled britches, and smear his own feces on his face.

You're right, that didn't happen. I'll give Biden that.

ALH ayon kay ...

Fox Brit Hume: "cranky old man debating a polite younger man"

cubanbob ayon kay ...

bob said...
speaking of "saving GM" from bankruptcy that the obama administration always cites, uh, excuse me, they went through bankruptcy. and GM survived. which they would have done without the infusion of taxpayer dollars that was spent so the unions wouldn't have to renegotiate their contracts. why doesn't ryan or romney or someone ever point this out? it makes me want to yell like biden. but seeing what he looks like when he does, i stop.

10/11/12 9:39 PM

Now the federal judge who oversaw the plan said he has second thoughts in light of the information the government failed to disclose. Imagine that, a pissed of judge who may have the authority to undo the plan.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

No Lyssa, that was sweet, it's when he said that he believes life begins at conception signals personhood bills. That was very clear.

Michael ayon kay ...

Biden's smirking lost it

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Inga, if you believe anyone that was going to vote for Romney decide not to because of what Ryan said on abortion, you are nuts.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

Didn't you hear? Romney's gonna ban tampons. There's the base.

Alex ayon kay ...

Allie/Inga/whatever the fuck your name is - nobody gives a rat's fucking ass about abortion when we've got an economy that's rat-fucking-imploding.

Do you fucking get what I'm FUCKING saying to YOU?

DADvocate ayon kay ...

Biden is such an asshole.

Well said.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Alex, go fuck yourself.

Progressively Defensive ayon kay ...

The deficit on average '05-'08 (Bush II's last 4) was about 300B in each year. In Obama's 4 it was/is $1T on average. Two wars on a credit card; that was a deal.

Obama spent 4x as much on what? Deadbeats, no-show (or barely show) teachers, and Solyndra? Even at 4M jobs (far overstated), that stimulus spent $350,000 per stimulus job created and when that debt is paid down the jobs will bleed away so those $350,000 jobs are temporary.

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.

And the crisis was caused by Clinton deregulation and Clinton mortgage fluffing.

I Have Misplaced My Pants ayon kay ...

that he believes life begins at conception signals personhood bills. That was very clear.

Uh, what? Do you mean "clear" in the sense that he neither said nor implied any such fucking thing?

Your ability to confuse your imaginary outcomes with reality never ceases to amaze me, Inga.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

And just what can the VP do about that, Inga? Especially if the Senate remains in Dem hands, hmmm?


Hysteria over nothing.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Well that was a pretty easy win for Biden

Michael ayon kay ...

Inga. Biden is dumber than you. There is that

john ayon kay ...

Alex -

You seemed to want to say that the economy was the most important thing but all you wanted to talk about was fucking.

edutcher ayon kay ...

FWIW, both Gurgling and Blitzer say Joe blew it.

Uh. Oh.

Muns said...

A liberal law professor from Madison as a moderator? No thanks Oso.

Read the post again.

I do believe Madame La Professeur would have smacked down Joe early and often.

Peachy ayon kay ...

Tonight's story: The rude creepy uncle and the in-the-tank moderator. Ryan wins.
I'm sure the blind faith leftwing base liked it. But the independents, moderates and swing voters must think Biden is an asshole. Because he is.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Progressively Defensive said...

Bush II looks like fiscal genius.


If genius involves turning a budget surplus into the greatest financial meltdown since the great depression.

Known Unknown ayon kay ...

I have some liberal female friends that are tweeting that Romney/Ryan would limit access to birth control.


bob ayon kay ...

it is ironic that we're told how ruinous the cost of iraq was, how it almost destroyed our country, yet it took 8 years to spend the $800 billion that obama blew thru in a year. at least with iraq, we got rid of saddam and helped install a somewhat democratic government. with obama all we got were green jobs and shovel ready jobs. minus the shovel ready jobs. oh, and minus the green jobs.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

TWM, independents will be either happy about Ryan's stance on abortion or against it. The question is how many independents lean left as opposed to right. Well have to wait and see.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Ryan lost it on abortion."

On some other planet. Home run on religious
liberty. Biden lied about Obamacare not coercing contraceptive coverage. Catholic hospitals are suing over this. Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't outlaw abortion.

David ayon kay ...

Chris Matthews has announced that Biden wiped Ryan out. Lefties everywhere are smirking with unreserved joy.

Alex ayon kay ...

I've had enough of the liberal rat fucks.

Known Unknown ayon kay ...

And just what can the VP do about that, Inga? Especially if the Senate remains in Dem hands, hmmm?

Inga seems to believe that we are electing a King.

ALH ayon kay ...

During the foreign policy questions, Biden sounded like a wanna-be tough guy trying to impress the girls with how cool he is.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

RYAN JUST WET HIS PANTS. HE WILL WET HIS BED.

BIDEN SCARED THE GOP.

ROMNEY TO NOT DO THE 2ND DEBATE. HE IS SCARED, VERY SCARED.

OBAMA/BIDEN OWN THE WH TILL JAN. 2017.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

I think Biden did his job -- with a certain number of assists from Raddatz -- to get in Ryan's face and push back hard then push back harder.

I don't think Biden made the good arguments, but he got over as a politician and that's what he needed to do.

For those who can follow arguments, Ryan had the better of the discussion, if for no other reason, because Obama's policies have largely failed.

Titus ayon kay ...

Ryan had too many canned comments and stories about specific people-I don't care about specific people.

Harriet and Tom from Erie....snooze.

Biden seemed patronizing.

Too much foreign policy though.

More domestic policy.

I don't give a shit about abortion either. Although, I loved the "bean" name for Ryan's kid. So amazing and beautiful and life affirming.

tits.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

--I have some liberal female friends that are tweeting that Romney/Ryan would limit access to birth control---


Ask them how.

What birth control are they talking about?

Pithing the skull of the sack o' cells when it's coming down the birth canal?

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Biden is an embarrassment. What a DICK!

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