Oktubre 22, 2012

Live-blogging the big last debate.

7:06 Central Time: Get ready!

7:32: In the comments, Sorun said, "I predict a big Obama win tonight, since the only people watching will be single women (and Althouse)." Ha ha. Very funny. Right now, we are watching the baseball game. I know there's football too.

8:02: Bob Scheiffer introduces the candidates.

8:04: First question: Libya. Romney talking as Obama keeps an icy stare trained upon him. I don't hear Romney nailing any strong point. He's decided to be conciliatory here for some reason. Obama talking now, stressing liberating the people of Libya after 40 years of despotism.

8:14: Romney: "Attacking me is not an agenda." He corrects Obama about Russia. He certainly wouldn't say to Putin he'll have flexibility after the election. Now, there's a lot of overtalking about Iraq. Obama gains control and talks about being "clear" about foreign policy. The moderator is not intervening, so the topics are allowed to be completely mixed up.

8:17: Obama has picked up Romney's tic of ticking off 5 points.

8:18: Syria. "Syrians are going to have to determine their own future," says Obama. What we see in Syria "is heartbreaking," but it would be "a serious step" to get "more entangled." Romney says "Syria is an opportunity for us." It's "Iran's only ally," but we don't want to get "dragged into a military conflict." Romney's trying to be level-headed and presidential, not to shake anything up here tonight.

 8:21: Romney says we should "be taking the leadership role" in Syria, and Obama picks up that phrase: "We are playing the leadership role."

8:24: Romney doesn't have different ideas about Syria, because we're doing the right thing there, says Obama.

8:25: Egypt: Romney wouldn't have supported Mubarak. Basically, again, Romney agrees with what Obama did. Romney adds some aspirations about the Middle East, but not any real distinction from Obama.

8:29: "What is America's role in the world?" is Bob Schieffer's big, generic question. Romney, "America must be strong. America must lead." Obama says we're "the one indispensable nation... Our alliances have never been stronger."

8:34: They've stopped interrupting each other. No belligerence tonight. There's an evenness and similarity to the 2 candidates (not that there aren't a few disagreements).

8:39: Obama just did some sharp interrupting while Romney was rhapsodizing about education in Massachusetts.

8:43: Romney defends military spending. He emphasizes keeping the numbers of ships and planes up. Obama says Romney doesn't understand how the military works. "We... have fewer horses and bayonets..." he says sarcastically. It's not "a game of Battleship, where we're counting ships."

8:47: Question: Does an attack on Israel count as an attack on the United States? Obama doesn't give a straightforward yes, but says "I will stand with Israel."

8:48: Romney adopts the same "stand with Israel" language. Both stressed military intervention as the last resort.

8:52: Obama says the reports of an agreement with Iran are not true. "We would welcome Iran" into "the community of nations." He chides Romney for acting as though it would work to say the same things but say them "louder."

8:54: Iran "saw weakness," Romney said, harkening back to Obama's campaign 2008 statements about willingness to sit down with the leaders of Iran (and other places). Obama was silent on Iran's Green Revolution. Obama said he'd put "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel, and that encouraged Iran's defiance. We need to "show strength." We need the tightest possible sanctions. We need to indict Ahmadinejad.

8:57: Everything Romney just said is untrue, according to Obama, who claims he was "very clear" about the Green Revolution.

8:58: Romney: "The reason I called it an apology tour... You said America had been dismissive and derisive... America has not 'dictated to other nations.' America has freed other nations."

9:01: Schieffer wants to know what we'd do if Israel called up and said our bombers are on the way to Israel, and Romney rejects the hypothetical. That's not the relationship we have. It wouldn't play out like that.

9:06: Romney assures us we'll bring our troops out of Afghanistan by 2014. But what if the Afghans aren't ready? That was the question. Obama ignores the question the same way.

9:11: "Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan?" asks Bob Schieffer. Romney: No, it's too important — nuclear weapons, terrorists.

9:13: Romney is asked about drone strikes, and he completely supports Obama's policy.

9:18: Obama defends fighting China when it dumped cheap tires here. Romney doesn't want "protectionism" against China, but finding mutual interests with China: We want a stable world, "but you've got to play by the rules." And Romney wants to declare China a "currency manipulator." Romney explains why that makes sense. "I want a great relationship with China" but "they can't roll all over us."

9:26: Lots of fighting over the auto industry. Obama says check the record and a bit later Romney says check the record. Romney's point is that government should not invest in business, while Obama is accusing him of willingness to let the auto companies go into liquidation.

9:30: Romney wants to get the private sector growing, which isn't done by hiring a lot of teachers, though he certainly does love teachers. Schieffer, rushing toward the finish line, says "I think we all love teachers," and announces it's time for closing statements.

9:36: Closing statements. Bob Schieffer ends with his mom's advice: Go vote.

9:40: Michelle Obama comes onto stage to greet Obama and about 10 Romney people — including a lot of kids — come up to hang out with Romney.

9:44: I watched on CNN (with that damn graph on the bottom showing how undecided males and females reacted to each moment), and afterwards James Carville yammered so much about how Obama won that I turned it off. I didn't think either candidate won. They seemed surprisingly similar. Obama certainly maintained eye contact. If it was an eye contact contest, Obama won.

9:52: Here's my bottom line: By adopting a strategy of only modestly challenging Obama and mostly seeming the same as Obama on foreign policy, Romney neutralized foreign policy as an issue and kept the election focus on the economy. He even refocused the discussion on the economy whenever he could over the course of the evening. The election is about the economy, and nothing either candidate said tonight will change that. The only way Obama really could have won is if Romney had tumbled into some kind of exploitable gaffe. That didn't happen.

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Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Despite a lot of verbiage, little substantive disagreement as far as I can tell.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Barry is talking tough, but what he has done over the past four years is totally inconsistent with what he is saying he has done. It's just not reality. People who love Barry over all things believe this nonsense, but everyone else is going, "What the hell are you talking about? Embassies sacked, Americans killed, Iran closer to the bomb, radical Islamists taking over government after government. It's a mess and everyone knows it.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney looks lost.

RecChief ayon kay ...

so afghanistan is now a success?

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Rebuilding roads and bridges, that's what we need. Jesus, I can't take it.

Jason ayon kay ...

It's none of Obama's business what the Israelis decide to do.

Oh. So why bother on having foreign policy at all? Why are these two guys wasting their time up there then?

Clueless moron.

clint ayon kay ...

Is anyone doing a clock on the candidates -- it feels like Obama's getting a lot more time than Romney.

roesch/voltaire ayon kay ...

Just read ST's last post, and yes I agree with him.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

An observation:

Obama is trying like hell to win the debate. He's looking for a tactical win.

In all three debates, Romney has focused on winning the election. Even the debate that Obama's supporters said he won, provided more momentum for Romney.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Barry loves him some vets. I guess he loves me, too, then.

Synova ayon kay ...

We need a responsible transition out of Afghanistan so they can shoot at us longer while we've got ROIs that don't let us shoot at someone setting up a mortar in a flat open field in the middle of broad day-light.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Yes, exactly those Corpsman do things even RNs don't do,certify them, give them credit.

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney looks lost.

If thats what you truly believe, you are in denial.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

How much more time is Obama going to get. He must be dominating the time speaking up to this point.

clint ayon kay ...

I wish Romney could come up with a better reason to support Pakistan than the fact that they have nukes --- that's exactly the reason Iran wants them!

And there are lots of good reasons to work to support Pakistan and keep them friendly that have nothing to do with their nukes.

Tarzan ayon kay ...

"Helped us catch Obama's Bin Laden."

Funny.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Is anyone doing a clock on the candidates -- it feels like Obama's getting a lot more time than Romney."

If he doesn't it will be the first debate that the Dems did not have more time.

Richard Dolan ayon kay ...

What a tiresome execise in happy-talk from both of them. The lack of seriousness is striking and indicative of what both see as the real point -- don't get anyone afraid that the US might get sucked into another conflict. They both know it is more likely than not that we will.

This sad spectacle is all about appealing to the women who will be votingn in Ohio, Wisconsin and a few other places.

Hagar ayon kay ...

When is somebody going to ask what the reaction in India will be if Pakistan falls apart?

Jason ayon kay ...

An observation:

Obama is trying like hell to win the debate. He's looking for a tactical win.

In all three debates, Romney has focused on winning the election. Even the debate that Obama's supporters said he won, provided more momentum for Romney.


+1.

Ever since the first debate, Romney has acted like the frontrunner he is, while Obama is attacking as the trailer.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

What an odd exchange on Afghanistan. Many words saying the same. And now Bob Schieffer asking a question on Pakistan after Romney already answered the question.

Richard Dolan ayon kay ...
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Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Nerfball boink move the nerfball. See, Afghanistan is a nerfball. Another nerfball boink boink boinky nerfball responsible transition Afghanistan, see? The man is stupid. More soldiers died in this responsible transition than the hot periods before it. He's actually quite thick. And he needs to just sit on his telling stupid hands. In sign, he's retarded, and he can't stop using sign.

Ken Mitchell ayon kay ...

I giggled when President Pinocchio said that his goal for the next term would be to reduce American energy EXPORTS by half.

And you know, I think he could probably do that!!!!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Mittens muffs it and pulls his punch. Dummy.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Is Jason really calling me a "clueless moron" for letting him know that the Israelis know what's best when it comes to handling their own national security, on their own behalf?

He'd be blown up within twenty minutes of landing in Ben Gurion at the nearest pizza parlor with that kind of dumb-ass attitude. They know better than either he or Romney do how to protect themselves and determine the course of their own defense.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Bah, C-Span, your online streamer sucks. I paused to go get a refill, and now my feed is irreparably screwed. Damnit. Oh, well.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Inga, how come when Barry talks about using the military you are silent and when Romney does it's a bad thing? Just curious.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

The Giants threw a pitch at Holiday hitting him in the arm... delayed payback?

Is it a mistake?

We shall see.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Syria and Pakistan and Iran, any more nations he wants to involve our military with?!

Afghanistan is going to hell when we leave, too bad, we can not do anymore for them. THEY WILL NOT BECOME A CIVIL SOCIETY, fool!

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

See that? Nerfball, around the world nerfball, very precise, very limited sign. karate chop.

Synova ayon kay ...

"When is somebody going to ask what the reaction in India will be if Pakistan falls apart?"

Don't confuse the children.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

'Frisco up by 7.

clint ayon kay ...

"This nation... Me... My administration..."

Weird slip.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

This nation---ME!

This man is an arrogant prick!

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Watching haphazardly. Has Benghazi come up at all? Lots of Middle East in general, but I didn't hear anything about the specific event.

Seems like Romney's strategy is to stay credible without standing out. This election is about the economy, I guess, Romney is already the one with momentum, so all he has to do is sound like he knows what's going on in the world.

Obama really needs to stick out, but he's not really sounding particularly any better than Romney. They both sound fine. Fine is enough for Romney not nearly enough for Obama.

Synova ayon kay ...

America, ME, my administration...

*cringe*

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney wants to turn Muslms into Westerners, won't happen!

Cousin Don ayon kay ...

Obama 33:09
Romney 31:13

At end of Obamas response to Romney's answer

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Republican Dilemma: Attack Obama for everything while preventing foreign involvement and defending an empire everywhere.

It's quite the Cognitive Dissonance-Maker.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Mitt is being smart by agreeing with Obama's policy on sensitive issues while criticizing where he can safely. It's important to assure voters that he won't change things in big scary ways, but will just do the current policy better, so he's not going to be Bush the third, but Bush the fourth. We have stayed safe all these years since 9/11.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

"Is anyone doing a clock on the candidates -- it feels like Obama's getting a lot more time than Romney."

CNN has one running. Obama was trending way ahead, then Romney actually started to catch up recently, though Obama's still ahead.

Jason ayon kay ...

Is Jason really calling me a "clueless moron" for letting him know that the Israelis know what's best when it comes to handling their own national security, on their own behalf?

He'd be blown up within twenty minutes of landing in Ben Gurion at the nearest pizza parlor with that kind of dumb-ass attitude. They know better than either he or Romney do how to protect themselves and determine the course of their own defense


No. Im calling you a clueless moron because you seem to think that Israel bombing Iran would only be a conflict involving those two countries.

If Israel attacks Iran, the US will be highly involved militarily. Which is why Obama turning his back on Israel like he has is ridiculous.

And yes, you are a clueless moron.

Synova ayon kay ...

They started with that, Paddy. But mostly it ended up being general remarks about Libya, now that you've reminded me.

AlanKH ayon kay ...

Holy sweet hell! Obama just lauded the free market system! The insincerity meter just went radioactive.

john ayon kay ...

Lem,
Leading 7-0 is the best revenge. He just hit Holiday because he could.

Watching the game, reading the comments. I'm glad Montana UL joined in so early this time.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

China is supposed to "play by the rules?"

I'm not aware that the Chinese had agreed to any set of rules.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"The greatest threat to our national security"?

Obama.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Romney: Let China sell slave-labor made tires to us!!!!!

That's how you get tough! Go, Governor!!!

Lyle ayon kay ...

Battleship is a game precisely because Navies count their ships.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Foreign policy is too messy to get much out of a Presidential debate. They can't say what they will do, or even what they want.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

I'm not aware that the Chinese had agreed to any set of rules.

It's called the IMF and other international treaties, bozo.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Sure, but then why does Romney wan a trade war with China?

Lyle ayon kay ...

... and the military still uses bayonets.

hombre ayon kay ...

Romney has been reading the NYT. He is making a serious mistake and the moderator is helping him. Obama is getting more time and fewer interruptions and ongoing rebuttal.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney is a hypocrite on China.

rehajm ayon kay ...

Obama is trying to score a zinger with every turn. In the election playbook, this is what you do when you believe you are behind. He thinks he's behind.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

We certainly can be a partner with China. We provide most conversational interactions, they are in charge of cussing and advertisements. That's what Firefly taught me at least.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Sure, but then why does Romney wan a trade war with China?"

The two things are not inconsistent. We have to trade with them following the same rules.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Romney wants to turn Muslms into Westerners, won't happen!"

Obama wants to change Muslim attitudes toward women. As if.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

I'm fascinated by this "playing by the rules" mantra.

The Chinese own all our bonds.

We have absolutely no leverage with the Chinese. Zero. Zilch.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"Let China sell slave-labor made tires to us!!!!!

Nobody can make you buy them. Take responsibility.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Watching the game, reading the comments..

That is working for me too..

I missed the big inning watching the debate.

Jason ayon kay ...

It's called the IMF and other international treaties, bozo.

Good lord.

Do you even know what the IMF is?

Lyle ayon kay ...

Inga,

Both Romney and Obama have "attacked" China. It's because they both want the blue collar worker vote of Ohio.

edutcher ayon kay ...

Inga said...

Yes, exactly those Corpsman do things even RNs don't do,certify them, give them credit.

Those Corpsemen, isn't it?

And they're not nurses, they're medics.

Just go back to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Dang - I'm the dummy. Great show Mittens!!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

And yes, you are a clueless moron.

So, after attempting to re-educate me, Chairman Mao-style, on how cloture doesn't exist, you're going to tell me that Israel needs the American president's say-so to defend themselves?

Yes, let's see how far you can go with that one.

Thanks for letting those Jewish Republicans know that you think Israel should be America's bitch. I'm sure that will go over well with them.

Idiot.

Lyle ayon kay ...

Obama is a hypocrite on China too.

Synova ayon kay ...

"We provide most conversational interactions, they are in charge of cussing and advertisements."

LOL!

hombre ayon kay ...

Schaefer challenges Romney again: "Trade war with China?"

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Absolutely right Shouting Thomas, we have no leverage with China, none, we OWE them, our unfunded wars cost big time.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Bags said...

It's important to assure voters that he (Romney) won't change things in big scary ways, but will just do the current policy better, so he's not going to be Bush the third, but Bush the fourth. We have stayed safe all these years since 9/11.

Excellent observation.

Lyle ayon kay ...

Shouting Thomas,

We do have leverage with China. They need us to buy their stuff. It's a symbiotic relationship.

China also can't totally feed itself any longer and must import food... from the United States.

clint ayon kay ...

So, Obama still doesn't know what the word "bankruptcy" means. Or he's counting on Americans not to?

He just keeps repeating the same debunked lies.

Tom from Virginia ayon kay ...

It's 10:21. Bob gets the Dan Rather Memorial Award - a gold medal for keeping Benghazi out of the debate.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Yes Lyle, they both are. China owns us.

Jum ayon kay ...

I notice Instapundit has been down as of 7:00 CDT, and Vodkapundit a few moments later when I checked was down as well. Is this just traffic-related? I hope....

Synova ayon kay ...

I'm sorry, but does Obama sound like he has a clue about business to the people who like him?

DADvocate ayon kay ...

This nation---ME!

This man is an arrogant prick!


Don't you know? The sun rises and sets in Obama's armpits.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

He's bragging about having devalued our currency now: currency rates advantageous to exports. Hilarious.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

We have enormous leverage with China. It's our government that does not.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

OK, found a new feed at CNN. Hypocritical jackass is making mouth about investing in China. Since the cunt is already invested in China - possibly without his direct knowledge - his position is based on a studied ignorance of what underlies his personal interests. But really, if he doesn't know what underlies his own personal interests, that's not a sales point, that's a demonstration of, well, ignorance.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Lyle, China sells goods to the REST of the world.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

ROmney's a bastard son of Detroit.

Synova ayon kay ...

Wait... our military pivoted to the Asian sphere because we were able to leave Iraq and Afghanistan?

That can NOT be what Obama just said.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney tries to explain bankruptcy and reorganization.

Are people capable of understanding this?

clint ayon kay ...

Born in Detroit. Father was the head of a car company. Did not know that.

I guess Michigan must be in play.

(Obama shouting over him again?)

Jason ayon kay ...

So, after attempting to re-educate me, Chairman Mao-style, on how cloture doesn't exist, you're going to tell me that Israel needs the American president's say-so to defend themselves?

Yes, let's see how far you can go with that one.

Thanks for letting those Jewish Republicans know that you think Israel should be America's bitch. I'm sure that will go over well with them.

Idiot.


Israel isnt doing a damn thing militarily without US support. They wont survive without it.

Stop living in your dream world and come back to reality.

Gahrie ayon kay ...

"Let China sell slave-labor made tires to us!!!!!

I'm willing to bet a considerable sum that working and living conditions at Chinese factories today are much better than factories in the U.S. in the 1920s.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Governor Romney said let DETROIT (AND OHIO) GO BROKE!!!!!!!!!

furious_a ayon kay ...

Shipped jobs overseas.

Obama oughtta know -- his campaign bus was built in Canada. Security at the Benghazi consulate was outsourced to a British company who in turn sub-contracted to locals.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Uh-oh, he's checking the record again!

Mark ayon kay ...

Obama is trying like hell to win the debate. He's looking for a tactical win.

While I hate a prevent defense, Romney may be playing it smart here. Obama has a tendency to say the first thing that comes to his mind that he thinks will make Obama look good. There just haven't been that many foreign policy things that have made Barry look good.

A couple of real "Obama said this in the debate, but this is what he did" moments will make excellent commercials, and as others have pointed out, this is a snooze-fest otherwise and probably won't (by itself) move many meters.

Maybe Romney's strategy is to just let Obama have enough rope.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

No mention of the unions.

Lyle ayon kay ...

China doesn't own us actually. If we can't buy their stuff they die... and they need some of our food surplus or they die literally.

We have a symbiotic relationship with them at the moment. Which is why the China bashing is just politics... for the blue collar vote of Ohio.

Jason ayon kay ...

We have enormous leverage with China. It's our government that does not.

This.

Its amazing how so many people dont realize it.

clint ayon kay ...

"I'm still speaking..."

Thank goodness he's pushing back at least a little bit.

Gahrie ayon kay ...

Israel isnt doing a damn thing militarily without US support. They wont survive without it.


Yeah, its not like there is an actual historical record of Israel doing exactly that after all.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

Finally Romney just kept on talking and finally BO shut up. BO interrupting looks bad.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Thanks Gahrie, for advocating for competing with 1920s-style work conditions.

furious_a ayon kay ...

Fisker builds their cars in Finland...with our tax dollars as their loan guarantee.

ALH ayon kay ...

Inga, "our unfunded wars cost us bigtime".
I assume you are referring to the financial impact only.

If by "big time" you mean a tiny portion of our debt, then yes, they cost us big time.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama keeps insisting that bankruptcy means that the car companies would cease to exist.

Does he really believe this, or does he not understand bankruptcy and reorganization?

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

My god, they just let Obama cut him off every time Romney starts to make a point.

furious_a ayon kay ...

Solyndra was a "smart choice".

clint ayon kay ...

"Tax code that rewards companies that ship jobs overseas..."

Again with the same nonsense...

Michael ayon kay ...

We have excellent leverage with China. We have their money and they hold pieces of paper we gave them in return. Never lend to your enemy and never borrow from your friend.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Barry operates on a presence of invincible ignorance. His lack of knowledge should not be a sales point - it's just a statement of ignorance. "Oh, I'm not wrong - I'm not wrong. We need to make a smart choice!" Except you can't make a smart choice by sheer swaggering ignorance, isn't a way to achieve competitiveness. He honestly operates on a basis of smug ignorance.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Great catch Romney.
Don't want to go back to the policies of the last 4 years.

It hasn't worked.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Romney is a hypocrite on China.

Romney has not been president...

I know you cant tell by watching the debate Ellie... but please... you got to try harder... we dont want you daughter putting you in the home precipitously ;)

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Unfunded wars and tax cuts, cost us big time, it's a fact.

rcommal ayon kay ...

"The greatest threat to our national security"?

We the people, and an array of what we choose across the spectrum, of course.

This is not obvious, how?

Lyle ayon kay ...

Inga,

... but not like they sell to the U.S. And not to mention if the U.S. economy tanks the whole world economy tanks. We are the cornerstone. If we fall, everyone else will fall too.

It's complicated to say the least.

Jason ayon kay ...

"Tax code that rewards companies that ship jobs overseas..."

So then change the tax code that actually allows businesses to run and make a profit in the US without giving a ridiculous amount to the government.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

Romney pushed BO's hot button...
And then gave him the set up line.

Gahrie ayon kay ...

Thanks Gahrie, for advocating for competing with 1920s-style work conditions.

My points (for the dim witted) were:

1) We have no moral standing to attack China's industrial system.

2) As we did, when China becomes wealthy enough, she will further reform her policies just as we did.

Paul ayon kay ...

Looks like to me that Romney is playing it safe. I think he already knows the internal poll numbers are on his side and it's his election to lose.

So he will sort of 'agree' with Obama so as to neutralize the third debate for he does not need to win it, just break even.

If Obama makes a gaff, then that's ok, but if not, it does not matter as this election is about the economy.

clint ayon kay ...

Some of the 9 million unemployed, just randomly off the top of his head:

Appleton, Wisconsin.

Philadelphia.

Romney's now shouted out to Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

edutcher ayon kay ...

As the Romster takes Barry apart on Detroit, Barry gives him this Boris Karloff death's head leer.

I think even he knows who won this one.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

"It's a tragedy (that) in a nation as prosperous as ours..."

So says Romney, as he runs for you to enrich him so that you can hope it helps you.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Lemmy is it time have a drink? Go get one.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Not much new tonight.

Jason ayon kay ...

Unfunded wars and tax cuts, cost us big time, it's a fact

I love when liberals call tax cuts "unfunded".

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Not only is Obama epically ignorant. He thinks we are too.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Does he really believe this, or does he not understand bankruptcy and reorganization?"

Obama thought junior debt holders precede senior ones (Chrysler).

rehajm ayon kay ...

We have excellent leverage with China.

When you owe the country a billion dollars, the country owns you. When you owe the country a trillion dollars, you own the country.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

I've really come to detest this lop-eared foppish son of a bitch.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

2008

edutcher ayon kay ...

Inga said...

Unfunded wars and tax cuts, cost us big time, it's a fact.

Only in Oop's head.

What's cost us is social spending, especially the politically-motivated kind (as if there's another).

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Obama really doesn't have a clue does he?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

My points (for the dim witted) were:"

And my point is that we don't have to compete for the bottom. We don't need China's economy. Let China wreck itself on industrializing 80 years late. We've already been there and don't need to compete on their terms. Our economy is (and should remain) more advanced, but not if people like you keep envying and fearing China so damn much.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
AlanKH ayon kay ...

Wait...did Obama just say in closing statements that he wants us to create more energy? LIAR!!

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Record deficits". Obama added as much to the debt in 3 1/2 years as Bush did in eight.

Cousin Don ayon kay ...

Obama 39:39
Romney 38:59

Before closing remarks pretty close much better than last two debates which Obama got more time

Jason ayon kay ...

Strong, strong close by Romney.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He wants peace after his wars.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

ROmney's optimistic about the future.

Because he's going to hope to coast off of someone else's hard choices.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Two different paths. One includes Romney (ME!!!!) and one DOESN'T (OH, NO!!!!!)

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"I'm sorry, but does Obama sound like he has a clue about business to the people who like him?"

He sure does not sound like he does to business people. To us, the difference is stark. He makes the most basic mistakes, and when he gets it right, it never sounds like he really believes it and certainly does not match his policies. It's schizophrenic at best.

What is it again this guy is good at? Oh yea, fundraising - there is that.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

"I've got a different vision for america" - one that takes no account of reality. One that pretends to understand energy, but doesn't bother to actually learn anything about actual sources of energy. One that pretends to understand small business, but has no actual experience of small business. One that pretends to understand about private business, but operates entirely from public, crony manipulation of government intervention in the actual economy. Bah.

john ayon kay ...

"Does he really believe this, or does he not understand bankruptcy and reorganization?"

He said the reason gas cost $5 now instead of $1.86 was because our economy is that much better. Obama understands economics. Don't doubt him on this.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
wyo sis ayon kay ...

"Have to have a president who can work across the isle."
SLAM!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Mitt Romney easily wins.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

The catchphrase president. That's my problem. That was hell, pure hell, it was like listening to Guy Fieri. Same thing. A parrot making noises. The same bird noises over an dover 'til I'crmzay.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

I want a Chevy Volt. I'm a dreamer, too.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Can't see this debate changing much.

No new ideas. Repetition of stump speeches.

Romney's main purpose tonight seems to have been to soothe fears that he would launch new military adventures.

Obama's main purpose seems to have been to say that he's done the foreign affairs bit and Romney hasn't.

And, incidentally, Romney is Bush III.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney weak, flat.

clint ayon kay ...

Really, really strong closing from Romney.

Love the phrase, "Hope of the Earth".

Love that he directly asked for our vote, and asked to be the next President.

Is it wrong that I also loved that he promised honest and forthright leadership?

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Bow, Asshole.

Cousin Don ayon kay ...

41:42 Obama
41:07 Romney

Pretty nice time balance

Jason ayon kay ...

That last hour was dominated by Romney.

Over the last 3 weeks Obama has looked and sounded like a defeated man. That last hour of the debate was just icing on that cake.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

The few minutes for Romney were great. For BO they reminded me of the 1st debate

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"Record deficits". Obama added as much to the debt in 3 1/2 years as Bush did in eight."

He also just surpassed the number of U.S service people lost in Afghanistan by Bush in half the time. Credit where credit is due.

Tarzan ayon kay ...

Nice closing Mr. Romney. Very nice.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Wife hugs.

Romney was smiling.

Obama seemed deflated, like he knows he lost the whole show.

Cute interactions with the families now. Obama seems very personable there.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

During the baseball playoffs, the winning team starts to get all the right bounces... and the loosing team starts to make silly errors.

I hope this is not cosmically determinative of a greater trend.

knowwhatimean knowwhaimean.. saynomore.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Romney did pretty well, but I'm not a dispassionate observer.

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney weak, flat.

LOL

I think youve said this 3 or 4 times now.

Just because you keep telling yourself that doesnt make it true.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Hmm. Where's Obama's daughters - the stage is flooded with Romney spawn.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

That's. "the LAST few minutes"

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

What is it again this guy is good at? Oh yea, fundraising - there is that.

That was the "businessman's" critique of Obama, folks.

Yes, you heard that right. The businessman has contempt for someone's ability to raise money. Whew boy.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Romney strong vibrant.

Old and busted: catchphrases sibilant S and repetitive gesticulations

The new hotness: beatific head tilt, not being Tess d'oucherville. .

wyo sis ayon kay ...

I'll bet the Navy loved the idea that submarines and aircraft carriers aren't ships.

AlanKH ayon kay ...

I want a Chevy Volt.

The Volt is an IED.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

We can afford the debt on closed end projects like Iraq and Afghanistan. Endless entitlement programs and unfunded defined benefit pensions for government employees? Not so much.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Thank God the era of the jive turkey is finally over.

Good night, and good luck!

David ayon kay ...

" Chip Ahoy said...
Bow, Asshole."

You are pithy tonight, Chip.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama, nothing new .

DADvocate ayon kay ...

Barry operates on a presence of invincible ignorance.

"Invincible ignorance," that's the progressive way. Just read the progressive/liberal commenters here.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

I'd say Obama definitely lost Virginia tonight. There are a lot of people there whose work relies on having a president that does not compare naval vessels to horse-mounted cavalry.

Synova ayon kay ...

"Romney weak, flat."

I don't find Romney all that appealing and never have. But Obama is even less appealing.

I'm talking about word choices, verbal habits, voice, demeanor...

Obama sometimes pauses between every word. It's almost as annoying as I imagine Sarah Palin's voice is to people who aren't from Minnesota. What does it mean when Obama goes all staccato?

Michael K ayon kay ...

Romney followed the plan I expected. His is president elect and does not need to look like a candidate.

clint ayon kay ...

"Cousin Don said...

41:42 Obama
41:07 Romney

Pretty nice time balance"

So the two old white guys did well at moderating, despite their strong liberal leanings. I think it's mostly a generational thing, alas.

Is it about having gone to Journalism school before Watergate?

Michael ayon kay ...

Ritmo. "Yes, you heard that right. The businessman has contempt for someone's ability to raise money. Whew boy."

Think Facebook. Think "raise money" then think "make money"

See?

David ayon kay ...

Mostly I watched Bears Lions.

The Bears are pretty good. The Lions are an undisciplined mess.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

I hope this is not cosmically determinative of a greater trend.

And if Crack were here, I would be amending that..

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Synova, regarding Benghazi, I guess I didn't miss anything then. It seemed like that was the big topic but it got so general so quickly I thought maybe I missed something, then when I left for a bit I assumed it may have come up again.

It seems that Romney took Keller's advice!

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"The businessman has contempt for someone's ability to raise money."

You got me there. He is as close to Gordon Gecko, as I've ever seen.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Soundbite of the evening.

"This nation---ME!"

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

I guess Romney did okay. I don't know, if I was leaning towards Obama, I probably still would be.

One pet peeve of mine are people who are ignorant of history. Obama said Romney wants to return to the economic policies of the 1920s. Well, perhaps growing up in Indonesia, he didn't read a lot of US history, but Harding and Coolidge had excellent economic policies. Look at the unemployment rate that Harding inherited, vs what is was 18 months into his term.

Indigo Red ayon kay ...

wyo sis said...
I'll bet the Navy loved the idea that submarines and aircraft carriers aren't ships.

Submarines are boats. Aircraft Carriers are ships.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney tried to stay safe tonight, he did.

DADvocate ayon kay ...

The Bears are pretty good. The Lions are an undisciplined mess.

Amen. I've been watching too. The Lions are very creative in finding ways to screw up.

Matt Sablan ayon kay ...

I think Romney wins this one. He made the president shut up and had near parity on time.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

See?

Yeah, but I don't care. The timeline for Facebook's earnings/future success expectations are different than that of a 4-year presidential term. People donate to Obama because they expect him to do good with the policy rewards that will bear fruit over the next 4 years. Romney's just in it to steal credit for those "12 million jobs" (that obviously EVEN HE KNOWS will be produced) from him.

See?

Synova ayon kay ...

"Submarines are boats. Aircraft Carriers are ships."

Pedant. ;-)

Of course the Navy puts their name tags on their butts, so they've got that going for them.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"What does it mean when Obama goes all staccato?"

memory buffering ||||||||||||| 20%

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Sorry Indigo
I guess I'm as ignorant as Obama.
But shouldn't HE know that?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Bag is actually comparing Obama to Gordon Gecko as a defense in Romney's favor.

Absolutely surreal.

David ayon kay ...

Where is Crack? Hope you are ok Crack.

DADvocate ayon kay ...

One pet peeve of mine are people who are ignorant of history. Obama said Romney wants to return to the economic policies of the 1920s.

Obama had to go back further than FDR's reign, because FDR's ideas are the fresh ideas the progressives have.

Synova ayon kay ...

"The timeline for Facebook's earnings/future success expectations are different than that of a 4-year presidential term."

Yeah but when Facebook tanks because they've reached their limit of future expectations, people who invested in something without a product are screwed.

When government tanks because they've reached their limit of unsustainable future expectations we're ALL screwed.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

My daughter hates ships, she's a landlubber Navy.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

One of the candidates was talking to his ego, I, I, I, me, me, me. One of the candidates acted as a representative of the American people, We, We, We, us, us, us. I am going with the we's and us's.

Indigo Red ayon kay ...

I could have said boats are what you get into when the ship sinks.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

When government tanks because they've reached their limit of unsustainable future expectations we're ALL screwed.

Sounds like you're saying that the Tea Party expects to much.

I don't know, Synova. YOu might actually have a point there.

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