Oktubre 22, 2012

Live-blogging the big last debate.

7:06 Central Time: Get ready!

7:32: In the comments, Sorun said, "I predict a big Obama win tonight, since the only people watching will be single women (and Althouse)." Ha ha. Very funny. Right now, we are watching the baseball game. I know there's football too.

8:02: Bob Scheiffer introduces the candidates.

8:04: First question: Libya. Romney talking as Obama keeps an icy stare trained upon him. I don't hear Romney nailing any strong point. He's decided to be conciliatory here for some reason. Obama talking now, stressing liberating the people of Libya after 40 years of despotism.

8:14: Romney: "Attacking me is not an agenda." He corrects Obama about Russia. He certainly wouldn't say to Putin he'll have flexibility after the election. Now, there's a lot of overtalking about Iraq. Obama gains control and talks about being "clear" about foreign policy. The moderator is not intervening, so the topics are allowed to be completely mixed up.

8:17: Obama has picked up Romney's tic of ticking off 5 points.

8:18: Syria. "Syrians are going to have to determine their own future," says Obama. What we see in Syria "is heartbreaking," but it would be "a serious step" to get "more entangled." Romney says "Syria is an opportunity for us." It's "Iran's only ally," but we don't want to get "dragged into a military conflict." Romney's trying to be level-headed and presidential, not to shake anything up here tonight.

 8:21: Romney says we should "be taking the leadership role" in Syria, and Obama picks up that phrase: "We are playing the leadership role."

8:24: Romney doesn't have different ideas about Syria, because we're doing the right thing there, says Obama.

8:25: Egypt: Romney wouldn't have supported Mubarak. Basically, again, Romney agrees with what Obama did. Romney adds some aspirations about the Middle East, but not any real distinction from Obama.

8:29: "What is America's role in the world?" is Bob Schieffer's big, generic question. Romney, "America must be strong. America must lead." Obama says we're "the one indispensable nation... Our alliances have never been stronger."

8:34: They've stopped interrupting each other. No belligerence tonight. There's an evenness and similarity to the 2 candidates (not that there aren't a few disagreements).

8:39: Obama just did some sharp interrupting while Romney was rhapsodizing about education in Massachusetts.

8:43: Romney defends military spending. He emphasizes keeping the numbers of ships and planes up. Obama says Romney doesn't understand how the military works. "We... have fewer horses and bayonets..." he says sarcastically. It's not "a game of Battleship, where we're counting ships."

8:47: Question: Does an attack on Israel count as an attack on the United States? Obama doesn't give a straightforward yes, but says "I will stand with Israel."

8:48: Romney adopts the same "stand with Israel" language. Both stressed military intervention as the last resort.

8:52: Obama says the reports of an agreement with Iran are not true. "We would welcome Iran" into "the community of nations." He chides Romney for acting as though it would work to say the same things but say them "louder."

8:54: Iran "saw weakness," Romney said, harkening back to Obama's campaign 2008 statements about willingness to sit down with the leaders of Iran (and other places). Obama was silent on Iran's Green Revolution. Obama said he'd put "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel, and that encouraged Iran's defiance. We need to "show strength." We need the tightest possible sanctions. We need to indict Ahmadinejad.

8:57: Everything Romney just said is untrue, according to Obama, who claims he was "very clear" about the Green Revolution.

8:58: Romney: "The reason I called it an apology tour... You said America had been dismissive and derisive... America has not 'dictated to other nations.' America has freed other nations."

9:01: Schieffer wants to know what we'd do if Israel called up and said our bombers are on the way to Israel, and Romney rejects the hypothetical. That's not the relationship we have. It wouldn't play out like that.

9:06: Romney assures us we'll bring our troops out of Afghanistan by 2014. But what if the Afghans aren't ready? That was the question. Obama ignores the question the same way.

9:11: "Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan?" asks Bob Schieffer. Romney: No, it's too important — nuclear weapons, terrorists.

9:13: Romney is asked about drone strikes, and he completely supports Obama's policy.

9:18: Obama defends fighting China when it dumped cheap tires here. Romney doesn't want "protectionism" against China, but finding mutual interests with China: We want a stable world, "but you've got to play by the rules." And Romney wants to declare China a "currency manipulator." Romney explains why that makes sense. "I want a great relationship with China" but "they can't roll all over us."

9:26: Lots of fighting over the auto industry. Obama says check the record and a bit later Romney says check the record. Romney's point is that government should not invest in business, while Obama is accusing him of willingness to let the auto companies go into liquidation.

9:30: Romney wants to get the private sector growing, which isn't done by hiring a lot of teachers, though he certainly does love teachers. Schieffer, rushing toward the finish line, says "I think we all love teachers," and announces it's time for closing statements.

9:36: Closing statements. Bob Schieffer ends with his mom's advice: Go vote.

9:40: Michelle Obama comes onto stage to greet Obama and about 10 Romney people — including a lot of kids — come up to hang out with Romney.

9:44: I watched on CNN (with that damn graph on the bottom showing how undecided males and females reacted to each moment), and afterwards James Carville yammered so much about how Obama won that I turned it off. I didn't think either candidate won. They seemed surprisingly similar. Obama certainly maintained eye contact. If it was an eye contact contest, Obama won.

9:52: Here's my bottom line: By adopting a strategy of only modestly challenging Obama and mostly seeming the same as Obama on foreign policy, Romney neutralized foreign policy as an issue and kept the election focus on the economy. He even refocused the discussion on the economy whenever he could over the course of the evening. The election is about the economy, and nothing either candidate said tonight will change that. The only way Obama really could have won is if Romney had tumbled into some kind of exploitable gaffe. That didn't happen.

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Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Oh my god, clean energy. Do I have to hear this drivel a third time?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

THE WEALTHY NEED TO PAYYYYYYYY!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Talking up the revolution in Iran would have been massively counter-productive. They don't need us to know what to stand for. THey don't need us to antagonize their leadership for them.

Romney & Repub Co. either know this and don't care how many more Iranians would get fatuously killed or just want to sound that MUCH more bluster with their chest-beating.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

GEORGE BOOOOOSHHHHHHHHH!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

TWM, you said women are fighting there too, I said he should send his sons because he's doesn't have daughters.

Yes our children are precious to us who have them over there, whether they be male or female.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama tries to stir things up a bit by calling Romney "Bush the Third."

Romney turns the debate back to the economy.

Nothing new here.

Askance ayon kay ...

America remains the one indispensable nation -- Obama

How will the UK, Russia, China, Japan, Australia, etc... feel about being called dispensable.

clint ayon kay ...

Yes! Romney brought up Latin America.

Hagar ayon kay ...

So far I think Romney is babbling a lot, trying to be conciliatory.
Obama is winning on the agressive part; it is just unfortunate that most of what he says he has done and is doing, just is not quite so.

Jason ayon kay ...

Obama just said "America is stronger now than when I came into office."

Just think how good America could have been if the stimulus had passed and Obama had gotten his health care plan put into law.

Oh wait...

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama is forcing himself to look at Romney.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney is spinning his wheels tonight and getting nowhere.

Gary Kirk ayon kay ...

When Romney uses the word "unfortunate" to describe how Obama has treated Israel, you know there is really no debate tonight.

And now he runs back to his stump speech on the economy. Good lord.

Mark ayon kay ...

Romney just looks and talks like he wants what's good for his glorious run at the presidency.

Comparing and contrasting to Obama's current modus, that's comedy gold.

And I thought you didn't have a sense of humor.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

The Tea Party Congress played NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in what's happened over the last 2 years. None whatsoever.

It's like they're just there to narrate Congressional proceedings or something. I thought they were there to provide leadership. Wow.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Reduce our (serial $1T+) deficits.". HA!

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Ritmo, I wish you could grow up, grow out of your man-crushes. Obama has shown no indication of any idea of what the hell he'd do with the future. He's a stumbling fool, who can't do anything other than robotically stare around for some guy would actually could lead. An infantile child, constantly looking for a daddy to impress.

Jack ayon kay ...

Strong response from Romney about his world view. He's in high gear now about the 5 point plan. He's cranking it up now.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Romney has a five thing this five thing that that's annoying.

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney is spinning his wheels tonight and getting nowhere

He doesnt need to.

Titus ayon kay ...

From the 30 minutes I kind of watched it looks like they have the same exact foreign policy-boring-I want a fist fight.

Over to football.

Go Detroit!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Yes our children are precious to us who have them over there, whether they be male or female."

Agreed, but neither Romney nor Obama can send their kids over there. It's an all-volunteer force. If they choose to serve then they go where they are told. Everyone who serves knows this.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

More teachers, that's what we need. Jesus fucking Christ.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

The Tea Party Congress played NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in what's happened over the last 2 years. None whatsoever.

You've just contradicted yourself. You've been fuming for months over the success of the Tea Party in brining Obama's flood of spending and borrowing to a halt.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Is it me, or is Obama gaslighting.

Calypso Facto ayon kay ...

Only accidentally saw 5 seconds while changing channels. Long enough to hear the spending-est President in history talk about how we need to "reduce the deficit". Hahahahaha. Has Obama been going for comic effect all night?

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Oh, look. He's talking smack about "small business". Obama has never worked an hour in contact with a small business. Since he doesn't know a damn thing about small business, he immediately goes off on an irrelevant rant about "education". Obama, king of education malinvestment. So much for the "foreign policy debate".

Emil Blatz ayon kay ...

Holy Schnikes! SF=7 STL=bupkes!

Ambrose ayon kay ...

Foreign policy was boring so now they are back on domestic policy. Education; tax the rich; drilling

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Geez Mitch. YOur deep and detailed knowledge of national policy is incredibly impressive. You obviously have all the answers for America, beginning (and ending) with simply telling me whom to vote for.

I might just develop a "man-crush" on you.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney is flat tonight, strange.

Jason ayon kay ...

The Tea Party Congress played NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in what's happened over the last 2 years. None whatsoever.

It's like they're just there to narrate Congressional proceedings or something. I thought they were there to provide leadership. Wow.


Obama made his bed in his first 2 years in office when he had both houses of Congress, and decided to do nothing but push deficit spending and a health care law.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Yeah, let's get back to foreign policy. Although when you think on it, it's a boring subject. Obviously, to me anyway, ours sucks now because we are working from a position of weakness. People and nations do not respect weakness, only strength.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Interrupting asshole.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

The "more teacher" bit has to be driving everybody except teachers crazy.

In IL, NY, NJ and CA, states are being driven to bankruptcy by wild over spending on public employee and teacher benefits and pensionis.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama interrupts Romney.

Colonel Angus ayon kay ...

As someone who is a frequent traveler to Europe and Asia, I can only relate that most folks I meet are very supportive of Obama and have a much better perception of America then ten years ago. And Obama's moderate careful position is one reason why.

I wonder why. He's pretty much followed the feckless foreign policy of Bush, drone assasinations, surge in Afghanistan, regime change in Libya... then again he hates Israel so maybe that's his redeeming quality.

Or you're just making that up.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Short Obama: I got nuth'n.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama appears confident.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Romney is flat tonight, strange."

Frankly, the whole debate is flat and strange. And unnecessary. This is a waste of time.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

You know, I just noticed: Obama's voice and mannerisms remind me of Billie bob Thornton in Slingblade.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney does not wan to talk about military spending.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Isn't it convenient that Jason forgets Scott Brown's special election ending Obama's five-month filibuster-proof majority?

I wish I could forget facts like that as conveniently as he could.

shake-and-bake ayon kay ...

How you like my Giants so far? I think they're doing okay.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Woop! Off on a states'-rights rant. And Romney's running over the moderator.

Jason ayon kay ...

The "more teacher" bit has to be driving everybody except teachers crazy.

In IL, NY, NJ and CA, states are being driven to bankruptcy by wild over spending on public employee and teacher benefits and pensionis.


Apparently the key to foreign policy is smaller class sizes.

clint ayon kay ...

Did the "moderator" just interrupt Romney to invite Obama to call him a liar?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama is getting more time so far, which is why Romney is pushing so hard. All three debates to date have had the Dem get more time speaking.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Ha, good one Obama, he knows Romney is skirting away from military spending!

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Now just remember what Obama told you last time to get your vote. You're going to fall for that all over again aren't you? You know you are. He doesn't even mention those promises now, and has a whole new set for you. Nice shinny new promises. I'm sure he'll keep them this time, because he won't need your vote again.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Obama forgot. Mitt doesn't need to hear about REAL math. He's got MAGIC-MITT MATH!!!1!11!1

clint ayon kay ...

Obama's 5+3+1 line... again...

Ugh.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Name them, name the loop holes and deductions, Romney.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

"that's the budget we put forward" -- huh? What budget?

Michael K ayon kay ...

Schieffer is doing what we all expected. He is interrupting Romney and letting Obama filibuster.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Did Obama just say we need to be thinking about space after slashing NASA's budget to the bone?

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

I'm going back to my first love... baseball.

Jason ayon kay ...

Isn't it convenient that Jason forgets Scott Brown's special election ending Obama's five-month filibuster-proof majority?

I wish I could forget facts like that as conveniently as he could.


Scott Brown didnt take office until February of 2010, you dolt.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama is just as weak as Romney.

He's churning through wonky budget stuff that nobody cares about.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

"Our budget"? How many members of congress have actually voted for your fever dreams, Barry? I'm pretty sure that even the Democrats of the House wouldn't vote for them. Imaginary nonsense.

furious_a ayon kay ...

No, the Obama admin gave the Joint Chiefs their budget and they had to adjust force levels to comply.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He seems to be talking about military spending now, Inga.

Colonel Angus ayon kay ...

that's the budget we put forward" -- huh? What budget?

The one both parties overwhelmingly rejected.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

And just WHO are going to man the ships and planes? Not enough voluntary forces!

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

I wonder what the low-information voters are thinking?

Don't answer, my 8-year-old just answered: What happened to St. Louis!

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

30 seconds. Oh, now you can have four minutes, mr president.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Ships are obsolete, like horses.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney weak tonight.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

His mannerisms are annoying as hell. Girl hands. Here's a grapefruit. move the pile of cotton balls. karate chop. point. don't point. point. karate chop. pass the baby, quiet down. tamp the cotton balls karate chop grapefruit pumpkin move the pumpkin pile of cotton balls point don't pony don't point don't point point! cotton balls cotton balls cotton balls.

I'm annoyed by every word.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Could you be ANY more unpresidential, Mr. President?

clint ayon kay ...

Is Obama making headway with anyone with his "we have these things that planes land on... and these boats that go under water..." condescension?

Who would that persuade?

Synova ayon kay ...

Oh oh.

Seriously... the navy is the same as horses and bayonettes?

furious_a ayon kay ...

Budget? When has an Obama budget been voted into law?

S. ayon kay ...

Obama being condescending. It isn't flattering.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Wow, Obama's pretending to understand the navy. Apparently wants to pretend that he has a lot of subs and carriers, even though they're dropping as fast as all the support ships that Romney's talking about. I'm not going to call him a liar, because frankly I'm pretty sure that he's too ignorant to know what the hell he's talking about.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Romney strong tonight, Obama annoying.

Synova ayon kay ...

You Navy guys are buggy whips. Get with the program!

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Why do they have audiences for these things, when they're supposed to be quiet?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Scott Brown didnt take office until February of 2010, you dolt.

That's cause Ted Kennedy died in August 2009, you dolt. ANd was probably too sick to hold office for months before that.

I thought you were opposed to dead people voting? Guess not.

clint ayon kay ...

Great question: Would you state that an attack on Israel is an attack on the U.S.?

Expect them both to dodge like mad.

edutcher ayon kay ...

Inga said...

Yeah, let's reinstate the draft for Romney's pet wars!

Yeah, send a bunch of half-trained kids instead of highly-trained professionals.

Makes all the sense in the world.

PS Wasn't aware the Romster had any "pet wars".

The only one here with a pet is Oop and that pet wussy.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

He better tell Bibi.

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney weak tonight

Hardly. But keep telling yourself that.

I know you lefties were clammoring for Romney to be aggressive and petty in the hopes of creating a shitfight, but its not gonna happen.

furious_a ayon kay ...

Budget? When has an Obama budget been voted into law?

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Oh, look. He's defending his incipient Munich agreement. Is that an umbrella I see by his chair.?

clint ayon kay ...

"Premature" action? I think he meant "preemptive" -- that was the anti-Bush buzzword.

He must be flustered if he's not even getting his buzzwords right.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Never "sit" when debating. We're always better on our feet.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

When he says he will stand with Israel if they are attacked, he means: let's wait until they are, watch it on drone video, and then go to Vegas. Afterwards we'll blame it on Lem's Rickrolling.

Mark ayon kay ...

Yeah, let's reinstate the draft for Romney's pet wars!

Whenever a progressive gets nervous, said progressive starts obsessing on (a) the threat to ladyparts, (b) the threat to gay wedding cakes, and (c) the draft.

Signs look good for the not-a-progressive side in this election.

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Great question: Would you state that an attack on Israel is an attack on the U.S.?"

Those all-important South Florida EVs.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

General agreement about Israel and Iran.

Obama seems to be re-writing history, in asserting his passionate commitment to Israel, but what can Romney say about that?

Jason ayon kay ...

That's cause Ted Kennedy died in August 2009, you dolt. ANd was probably too sick to hold office for months before that.

So? Kennedy leaving office had nothing to do with Obama not having a filibuster proof majority. The Senate has been in Democratic control since 2007.

You really are a fool.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Hey, it's the death stare again. Like Barry's tying to burn a hole through Romney's forehead.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Nice comparison to apartheid on Iran< by Romney.

DADvocate ayon kay ...

Ann needs to understand the Constitution days the president can interrupt all he wants. Just ask Chris Matthews.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Indicting Ahmedinejad and his lackeys for genocide.

THat would be a good first step.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

I hope you're not on parole, Lem.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

I found the perfect combination... read the Althouse comments while watching the baseball game.

jr565 ayon kay ...

Inva wouldn't it be nice if you libs noticed obamas REAL wars!

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

tamp down the cotton balls, move the pile. What kind of repetitive sign language is that? It hurts my eyeballs as much as sibilant Ss hurt my ears. I can't watch or listen to my own president for the annoyance makes my blood boil. And he won't stop That's the thing. He and his ilk have 10X more energy for this crap than I do.

He karate chops and my impulse is to break his girl hand.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

So they agree.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

This is getting tedious. I might join my 8-year-old.

rehajm ayon kay ...

670 economists approve of the details of Romneys economic plan- including 6 econ nobel winners. but we're supposed to believe they...they can't do arithmetic?

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Any man who shat on the abandoned Green Revolution as much as Barry did, ought by all rights to have burst into flames once he started talking about supporting the people of Iran.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

So far it's a draw on talking points. Mittens is coming across as more of the statesman. No damage done yet to Mittens. Obama hasn't done anyting to help himself amongst the mods.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

I hope you're not on parole, Lem.

?!

Rusty ayon kay ...

Inga said...
And yes we still do have a presence in Iraq

And in Germany, Japan, and Korea.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"So they agree."

Here yes, but Barry is basically re-writing his foreign policy during this debate. It's in a shambles. So obviously a shambles that you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

Synova ayon kay ...

Imposing sanctions is soooooo hard that they've been working on it from The Day Obama got into office.

But it's HARD and complicated and stuff and that's why it seems like nothing is happening.

furious_a ayon kay ...

Sanctions aren't "crippling" unless they're hitting the ruling class and the Rev Guards.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

So? Kennedy leaving office had nothing to do with Obama not having a filibuster proof majority. The Senate has been in Democratic control since 2007.

You really are a fool.


Sixty votes to invoke the filibuster-ending cloture motion. Ask the lawprof.

You are not only a fool, but a dickless fool.

And you're displaying Team Romney's whiny desperation.

Hagar ayon kay ...

If any of this crap is truee, how come Egypt is making noises about wanting to go nuclear?

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Sorry, Lem. Read my 8:48

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Oh my, he's right - St. Louis is getting trounced!

David ayon kay ...

If Romney thinks he can coast, he's making a big mistake. He has to stay on the attack, keep winning.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

So Romney is a mind reader now.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Apology tour" got to Barry. Truth hurts after everyone sees you bowing.

clint ayon kay ...

Romney finally strong with a list of specific ways in which Obama administration has projected weakness. I like it.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Finally Romney fires back with facts.

Phil 314 ayon kay ...

Romney speaking on Israel:

I think he just lost Bill Keller

Francisco D ayon kay ...

After both candidates parrot their well practiced talking points and fog up the works, what is really standing out for the viewer's discernment?

The answer: Presidential demeanor or lack thereof. Guess who's got it and guess who is giving the junior high school "I'm gonna whip your butt so bad ..." stare?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

What's with Obama's "in the know" head nods to Shieffer? jackass.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

We all KNOW and have SEEN the apologies!
What a liar.

Tim ayon kay ...

Meanwhile, back in the real world where rational voters know Barack Obama is a failed president promising more failure, the S.F. Giants lead the St. Louis Cardinals 7-0, going into the to of the 5th.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

The "apology tour" gets to Obama.

He responds angrily. Things heat up.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Barry is lying about the factcheckers, too. LOL

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney did business with Iran?!

Damon ayon kay ...

This is now what a debate should be... two guys talking past each other. To directly respond to the other is a sign of weakness because you should never engage the opponent on their terms. Basically a filibuster for 90 min.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

"Very clear"? When? Lying dog.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

His repetitive hand gesticulations are precisely repetitive. That consistency is admirable for a sign language translator, no guessing. With that kind of admirable gesticulative repetition, Obama would have an obedient dog trained in silent signals within minutes. Trufax. But then dogs are basically retarded.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Finally Romney fires back with facts.

Lol. Doesn't that say it all? And after only about twelve months of campaigning. It's about time!

Finally!

Rusty ayon kay ...

Inga said...
Romney weak tonight.


Obama weaker.

clint ayon kay ...

"Whopper" -- does that play as presidential?

Synova ayon kay ...

Oh. Obama mentioned Romney's investments again. Was that wise?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

DId Obama just bring up a point about Romney trading with Iranian companies?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Just what the hell did he want us to do, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney drew blood on the "Apology Tour" bit, and he's decided to see if he can cause a little more pain.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Better to go on an Insult Tour than on an Apology Tour.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

BAM!!! Romney slams Barry on his bowing apologies.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Yes! Back to the apology tour!
This is decimating to Obama!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

KABOOM!!!!!!!

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

I did business with Iran. Bought saffron through eBAy. A big can of it. Still have it.

clint ayon kay ...

Strong response on Apology tour -- skipping Israel, and reeling off direct quotes of Obama's "apologies".

furious_a ayon kay ...

"Mobilize the world"?

As in Russia and China blockading us in the UN?

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Romney up 2.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

YES he did Ritmo, Romney had dealings with Iran!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Jewish voters are not dumb and proud enough to buy Romney's empty suck-ups.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Ritmo, you're a walking argument in favor of Freudian penile fixation. I'm impressed - I really thought that Freudianism had been abandoned. Are you trying to revive that particular cult via example?

God, Barry's off on another childish self-defensive, self-deceptive rant. What a shit.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Afterwards we'll blame it on Lem's Rickrolling.

Oh man... the timing... the riming... and the thing were all whispering about but nobody wants to say out loud.

The perfect rickroll.

rehajm ayon kay ...

Romey sealed the deal to becoming governor of MA in the last gubernatorial debate which this format. He won in part because his opponent was attacking to the end. It turned voters off.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Romney up 3.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Obama:
I'm a saint.
I have the most compassion ever.
I love everyone. Me, Me, Me, I, I, I when we KNOW how he used his travels.

The central point is indeed credibility!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Just what the hell did he want us to do, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?"

If it comes to that in order to keep them from getting the bomb. Yes, we bomb them.

As to Barry now - yes, he visited Israel when he was running for office, but dumped them after he got elected. THAT wins friends I tell you.

Michael K ayon kay ...

Who knew that Obama was such a Zionist. ???

Emil Blatz ayon kay ...

Who is going to be credible? I can't believe he uttered that...

Tarzan ayon kay ...

Well spake Mr. Romney!

We'll see that quote in the press tomorrow, and it will be much more powerful and true than O's attempt to obfuscate.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

So Obama asks ROmney if he'd prefer to lack credibility with all parties.

Hahahah. Romney prefers to avoid a question about Israel finally conducting the bombing that he's egging them on to carry out.

There's the moment.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Jewish voters are not dumb and proud enough to buy Romney's empty suck-ups."

Except all those in Florida who are polling favorably for him now I guess.

clint ayon kay ...

"Who is going to be credible..."

That really is the question. I hope Romney will come back to it.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

Ritmo says
"Romney's empty suck-ups." in the same minute that Obama is blabbing about his great and wonderful compassion and love for Israel.
Give me a break!

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

I hope you're not on parole, Lem.

Oh, I just got that... ie the muslim hate video guy.

Haha lol.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Good question, better thought - Israeli bombers on the way.

But I'm a hawk.

Tarzan ayon kay ...

Nonsensical question sh*t-canned righteously by Mr. Romney, intelligent rebuttal ensues.

Well played! This is how you beat them at their games.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Mitch, are you done stalking me? It's getting a bit creepy.

Synova ayon kay ...

"Hahahah. Romney prefers to avoid a question about Israel finally conducting the bombing that he's egging them on to carry out."

How do you suppose Obama would have answered that? Obama also preferred to avoid the question, there is no doubt.

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

I will say that I thought we'd be closer to the Iranian crisis than we actually are right now. Is it the Israelis, or the CIA, that deployed the Stuxnet delay? Honestly, I'm not sure if the President had the CIA or the Mossad to thank for the fact that there's still an Israel to have a fight over in this stupid goddamn debate.

Jason ayon kay ...

Nonsensical question sh*t-canned righteously by Mr. Romney, intelligent rebuttal ensues.

Well played! This is how you beat them at their games.


+1

the co-owner ayon kay ...

Obama might as well have said "Everything this man said is bullshit. Thank you."

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Wow - this half has belong to Mitts. MSN may even declared him the winner

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Romney ducks the question on Israel actually conducting bombing raids.

What a pussy. What a fucking chicken-hawk.

The Israelis don't have that luxury. ANd Obama knows it. He respects the position they're in and doesn't use them as a proxy symbol for American mighty chest-beating.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

What we've discovered, after a decade of war, is that we don't have the power to dictate what happens in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Doesn't matter much how much we huff and puff.

Both candidates get this, but are loathe to acknowledge it.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

I would take that shot. Wow, nice shot, President Marksman.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Does anybody feel comfortable with Obama negotiating with Iran, or Putin, or the Chinese. I sure as hell don't.

Tarzan ayon kay ...

O's on his heels saying "flip flopper". Good luck with that one. That's not going to resonate the way Romney's quote will.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

If you're bored with the debate, check out the Yellow Tree Cafe post.

wyo sis ayon kay ...

"Clarity of leadership"

Obama thinks he has it.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

What the heck was that Obama?

Mitch H. ayon kay ...

Oh, look. Barry's bragging back-assed about bin Laden. Dickhead. "Those decisions are not popular". Lying, malignant cunt.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Did Obama answer the Israel bombers question?

Scott M ayon kay ...

Schieffer wants to know what we'd do if Israel called up and said our bombers are on the way to Israel,

Why would Israel bomb Israel?

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney ducks the question on Israel actually conducting bombing raids.

What a pussy. What a fucking chicken-hawk.

The Israelis don't have that luxury. ANd Obama knows it. He respects the position they're in and doesn't use them as a proxy symbol for American mighty chest-beating.


Obama has been ducking the question his entire term. And refuses to even meet the Israeli PM while in the same town, preferring to chat with Letterman and party with Jay-Z.

Romney has owned Obama over the last 15 minutes.

Lyssa ayon kay ...

Wow, huge divergence between women and men in the CNN insta-polling when Obama gets sappy.

Synova ayon kay ...

How presidential is it to go for "closure" for an individual?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Romney wants to use the Israelis the way the Arabs use the Palestinians. As expendable, proxy-war fighters. As a show of strength for their backer.

Think about that.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

ORLY? Last I heard the guy in need of justice is laughing it up over coffee right out in the open going, "what's taking so long? lol"

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

No, he spent five minutes attacking Romney, with no response allowed by Romney.

Tarzan ayon kay ...

Suprisingly graceful behaviour there on both parties. Nice to see.

Croppy Boy ayon kay ...

My current vice-president? Not much job security for Joe.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Oh gawd, I agree with Shouting Thomas.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

What?! He fucking better not want to go into Pakistan?!

Jason ayon kay ...

Romney wants to use the Israelis the way the Arabs use the Palestinians. As expendable, proxy-war fighters. As a show of strength for their backer.

Think about that.


Wow. Just wow.

Fucking nuts.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

WARMONGER.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together ayon kay ...

Obama has been ducking the question his entire term.

It's none of Obama's business what the Israelis decide to do. And he knows that, Mr. cloture-denier, Ignoramus of American law.

Throw it in already.

Synova ayon kay ...

Wow... we're going to leave Afghanistan in 2014 leaving two whole years for our people to be ordered not to fight back.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

It seems like Obama has been droning on for the entire debate.

Btw, if you watch via C-Span, Bob Schieffer is invisible.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

NO money to Pakistan.

roesch/voltaire ayon kay ...

It seems that Mitt is just spewing forth, I think he has run out of talking points-- does not look like a leader

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama is taking credit for Iraq???

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

YES! Let the Afghans take care of their own miserable selves.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama is ON THE ROPES! Watch for it now!!!

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