Oktubre 3, 2012

Let's watch the debate!

7:38 Central Time: For some reason, I feel as though I'm not going to have anything to say. But I'm going to try to watch like a normal person, let it flow over me as if I didn't need to write about everything, and I'll see what happens. Please converse in the comments. And I'll do updates here if the spirit moves me.

7:43: Now, my son John is a fabulous live-blogger, and he's set up to go.

7:50: In the practice debates, Obama had John Kerry pretending to be Mitt Romney, and Romney had Rob Portman pretending to be Barack Obama. I've got to think Romney had the better practice partner. Why would Kerry be any good at that?

8:05: The candidates come out and shake hands. Meade: "Romney's taller." Me: "Romney has a bigger head."

8:06: Obama appropriately makes a statement about his wife. It's their 20th anniversary.

8:08: Romney says: "I'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine: here with me."

8:10: In the opening speeches, Romney had a great line about Obama thinking "trickle-down government" would work. "I'll restore the vitality that gets America working again." Meade says Romney won the opening statements: "Obama talked about himself and his job. Romney talked about us and our jobs."

8:13: Obama is talking up tax cuts for the rich!

8:23: "Donald Trump doesn't like to think of himself as small anything," says Obama.

8:26: Romney's going on about lowering taxes, and Obama looks irritated.

8:29: Jim Lehrer is getting the vapors. He seems very old, weak, and small. Romney seems to have a plan to dominate him.

8:41: Obama has a plan to flash his winning smile, but he just flashed it when Romney brought up Solyndra and said "You pick the losers."

8:43: Lehrer only interrupts Romney (it seems to me). "Let's go," he mutters gruffly.

8:53: How long is this debate? Is this 2 hours? Is anyone still watching?

8:55: Lehrer interrupts Obama. He's struggling to get some control. He seems desperate.

9:16: They're not really attacking each other. Just rolling out policies, pretty wonkily, and distinguishing theirs from the other guy's.

9:17: Do they differ on "how they view the role of the federal government?" Lehrer asks with dismaying generality.

9:19: Obama invokes Lincoln. Lincoln thought the government should do some things, and Obama tries to be like Lincoln.

9:20: Romney loves great schools and great teachers. But the question is what's the role of the federal government. "We're all children of the same God." We have the "right to pursue our own dreams" as "free people."

9:36: Obama's closing statement sounds like platitudes. I'm surprised he has nothing vivid to say. Romney goes second.

9:39: Lots of hanging out on stage... together. Could it be that they like each other?

10:29: Everyone seems to be saying that Obama lost by a lot. I blame John Kerry. I'll bet he was a terrible practice partner.

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Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He's not going to be able to distance himself from RomneyCare. Won't happen.

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Five minutes of uninterrupted slander by Obama.

Critter ayon kay ...

Romney: Jim! STFU!

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Pretty easy to see which guy got used to debating in a high pressure boardroom and which guy got used to it with bureaucrats and students.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Shouting Thomas said...
Obamacare is a fait accompli.

Romney tacitly accepts this.


Not it's not and yes he does. Romney has no intention to repeal Obamacare.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

Looks pretty equal to me. Edge to Romney on the economy. Edge to Obama on health care.

They're both doing well. But as Shouting Thomas says they're more alike than they want to admit.

Alex ayon kay ...

Honestly the only compelling reason to vote in Romney is help keep the 5-4 SCOTUS majority. Otherwise he'll do nothing about the economy, the debt or Iran.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney is a big government RINO.

That's coming out in spades (racism acknowledged).

yashu ayon kay ...

I hate to tell you guys, but these two guys like each other.

WTF? This is seriously delusional.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

KABOOM!

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Inga, I don't hear Romney distancing himself from Romneycare. He seems to be emphasizing how it was a bipartisan bill that responded to both sides.

Patrick ayon kay ...

Jonah Goldberg tweeted: MSM's failure to challenge the President and has left him soft and unprepared.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

OMG Leher got something on his throat.

Alex ayon kay ...

Imagine the damage of Obama picking 3 more judges, replacing Gingsberg, Breyer and either Scalia/Kennedy. Maybe even both. A 6-3 liberal majority for 20 years.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

That gesture of pointing without pointing, the bent index finger point, as if jabbing with an invisible toothpick, pisses me off so bad I can't stand it.

NOT ALLOWED TO POINT!!!!!so the irrepressible non-point happens autonomically. Jab! Right in the heart with an academic pedantic toothpick.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama quotes Lincoln. Clever.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Obama just said he really does like trickle-down government.

Methadras ayon kay ...

The first role of the federal government is to promote liberty, freedom through commerce and leaving the citizens alone to pursue their goals with the least amount of government intrusion. Yes, Urkel, compare yourself to Lincoln again. What a dick.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Paddy, he wants to say that because Obamacare is a Federal program it's fundamentally different, that's bogus. I

edutcher ayon kay ...

Ya gotta love it.

Zero, when looks at the Romster, looks at him with daggers; when he looks down, he's thinking, "I'm getting killed here".

Wonder who ends up under the bus for this one?

Should be him if he really ditched prep because they "made him do his homework".

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

ST/

I'm a Republican and loath Obama, but Romney has demonstrated tonight that in his failure to hit Obama on the "death-Panels" of Obama-care and the entire concept of "tax-expenditures" he bis FAR from the ideal candidate..

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Did Obama just say he is a fan of the Union Pacific Railroad? A homungous corporation. Whose owners in the 1800s were robber barons.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama wants to hire more teachers.

Pretty complex subject.

In my school district, student population is declining.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Now he's actually suggesting that Obamacare is better than Romney's ideas because we know what's in it... now. That's rich. Pelosi - midnight vote - uni-partisan Obamacare.

What about all those exemptions for his friends if Obamacare is so great?

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Lincoln = transcontinental railroad that brings together two thriving areas of the country.

Democrats == high speed rail that connects random spot to random spot.

ricpic ayon kay ...

So you can imagine it, Alex, and you're still a pox on both their houses?!

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Patrick said...
Jonah Goldberg tweeted: left him soft and unprepared.


Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

I wondered about that to Shouting Thomas - hiring teachers

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Hire more teachers?

First, California need to re-hire the teachers that were fired because of budget cuts.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

I hope people are watching this Ann. Obama is unprepared and has lost this debate.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Of the two, Jim Lehrer is the most flustered. Then Mr. Obama.

While Gov. Romney continues taking candy from babies.

Alex ayon kay ...

So Obama has a nebulous plan to educate more engineers for 20 years from now. Nothing about the 20 million long-term unemployed. Nope, nada zip.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Romney should have talked about negative rights vs positve rights.

Constitution says what the gov't cannot due to us.

Obama thinks the gov't is forced to give us free stuff and special rights (like equal outcomes).

Alex ayon kay ...

Romney droning on about the military industrial complex. As if they don't have enough money already.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney makes his argument for a free market economy.

Obama argues for government investment.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney is killing this, Leaher is freaking out....

Emil Blatz ayon kay ...

Alex said...

Also Romney has no intellectual credibility arguing that single-payer was OK to try in MA because of "states rights" but no good for federal. That's just bullshit. I'm left with thinking that Romney believes in NOTHING


So you're not a laboratories of democracy kinda guy?

I'm not thrilled by what was done in Massachusetts, but I don't live there, and can recognize that it is a strange animal. Witness the Scott Brown - Elizabeth Warren tilt and look at what a nominal Republican has to do to stay in office in that goofy state.

Darrell ayon kay ...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill, do you think that would choose Paul Joseph Goebbels as the Moderator? Or would they stick with Lehrer?

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

Now you know what is meant by the still applicable term lazy and shiftless.

Joe Schmoe ayon kay ...

Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

Rube self-identifies.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Obama is thinking, "Eff Kerry. Eff him."

edutcher ayon kay ...

Romney very eloquent and very succinct in his statement on governance, not to mention killing Choom with the numbers of people in trouble.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

virgil xenophon said...
I'm a Republican and loath Obama, but Romney has demonstrated tonight that in his failure to hit Obama on the "death-Panels" of Obama-care and the entire concept of "tax-expenditures" he bis FAR from the ideal candidate..


The death panels meme is nonsense. Romney doesn't want to look like an idiot. For starters everyone is free to buy private health care in any form they want. No one can or wants to stop this. Trying to establish best practices in terms of outcomes and costs is not a death panel.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill,

Godwin's Law!
Called it first.
You're such a maroon!

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama talking talking again = time for a nap.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama has some of the worst nonverbals I've seen at the national leadership level. What is all this staring down or looking away from Romney?

Romney looks relaxed, in command, and professional.

Alex ayon kay ...

Voucher schools do not automatically turn dumb kids into math geniuses. Sorry Mitt, that dog won't hunt!

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama appeals directly to his base... teachers' unions.

I'm not sure why any person wouldn't be able to go to school.

Student loans are awarded pretty indiscriminantly.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

Yeah hitting the Death Panel memes would be suicide (ironic huh?) for Romney here.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Obama's body language is awful. The turning away from Romney puts out a vibe like he's running from him.

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

#SO to Community Colleges! W00t!

ricpic ayon kay ...

Lehrer would've had a tingle for Hitler.

Alex ayon kay ...

Sarah Palin said "death panels" and 70% of conservatives love her to death.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

--The death panels meme is nonsense. Romney doesn't want to look like an idiot. For starters everyone is free to buy private health care in any form they want. No one can or wants to stop this. Trying to establish best practices in terms of outcomes and costs is not a death panel.--


Right...........that monster was designed long-term.

Single-payer and it will sink the country.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

Lehrer is starting to interrupt Obama more. Someone whispered in his ear.

Patrick ayon kay ...

Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

Wow. That's an awesome insult. Pretty quick too. Seems he's doing pretty well, though, publishing two bestsellers and all.

Maybe his mom should get you a job too.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama is inarticulate.

WHY do community colleges partnering with business require federal support?

Tyrone Slothrop ayon kay ...

Carnitas were delicious. Obama is filibustering again and Lehrer lets him.

shiloh ayon kay ...

No game change = no effect!

blessings

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

Lehrer is letting Obama dominate time of possession. This exchange, Romney got 45 secs and Obama is already at 2:30 and not slowing down.

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

And Obama is still going at 3:00

Alex ayon kay ...

Training programs? For what Barry? Hamburger flipper jobs?

ITT Technical Institute - a guaranteed admission into McDonald's management!

edutcher ayon kay ...

Darrell said...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill, do you think that would choose Paul Joseph Goebbels as the Moderator? Or would they stick with Lehrer?

Even though Lehrer is a little more telegenic, Goebbels was smarter - lots smarter and something of an original thinker.

Needless to say, they'd go with Lehrer.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

informal Facebook observation.


Obama fans: this debate is boring!

Romney fans: Romney is doing great!

(I have more Obama loving friends than Romney)

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

How does the Fed guarantee that a student will have a job waiting for him when he graduates?

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama is hypnotizing people.

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

ARM, your lack of knowledge about the details of Obamacare is ABSOLUTELY amazing..

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Romney let's off a thirty year old Reagan 'zinger'.

Patrick ayon kay ...

90 billion into green jobs, 1/2 out of business - half going to contributors to your campaigns. Nice point.

Alex ayon kay ...

Look you either are born with the mind for math & problem solving or you aren't. No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.

Nathan Alexander ayon kay ...

Romney is consistently winning the CNN approval tracker.

Titus ayon kay ...

I watched for 5 minutes and was bored out of mind.

I wanted more hate, violence and humor.

I know, its politics and I guess I was hoping for more.

tits.

At least Ann Romney and Michnig Obama could of got into a cage match fight.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

No Inga, In the United States, the way we are defined, it is almost by definition fundamentally different at the state rather than the federal level.

Besides the Constitution, there are practical reasons why it matters. For one, if it sucks, it sucks for everyone, and there is no alternative for either a better idea to grow or for people to freely choose a better idea.

You do want a better idea to have a chance don't you? If you were searching for a cure for a disease, would you want just one big therapy experimented with or 50 different ones?

ricpic ayon kay ...

Obama's body language says he can barely stand it being criticized by the white dude.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

Like the old USSR - no free toilets - the geniuses can hand out towels & make sure everyone pays.

Or like the ChiComs- work on the highways with pick axes.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Summations should be interesting.

Alex ayon kay ...

Instead what we need is to lift the H1B visa limitation and allow unlimited Chinese and Indian programmers in.

Patrick ayon kay ...

Bill Maher: Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Most of them were for Romney.

Maybe Jonah's mom can get him a job too, Reasonable Man.

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

@edutcher/

But Hitler was by FAR the more perceptive pure politician..

Titus ayon kay ...

Massachusetts schools are ranked number one in the nation!


I know Mass is completely horrible and libtard.

Take that red staters.

tits.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

--Look you either are born with the mind for math & problem solving or you aren't. No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.--

How about understanding basic math?

Victor Erimita ayon kay ...

Dear lord, Romney is hammering him. Obama sounds like a college dorm know-it-all. As usual. He's rambling, mumbling, bumbling and repeating the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires lie for every single topic. How can anyone not see this? How can anyone watch this man and not see how utterly clueless he is? Undecided? Really? Really?

Patrick ayon kay ...

(I have more Obama loving friends than Romney)

Me too. Makes for some fun poker games.

Alex ayon kay ...

Let's face it - we failed as a nation to properly educate the youngins. Time to pay the piper and be good slaves you Masters in Literature!

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney says he knows how to work with the opposition.

He's going after one of Obama's most obvious weaknesses.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Romney has no plan other than to get along.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Ack! Why didn't they put Obama up for practice with someone else, so he'd be used to this? Like a worm squirming.

Romney body language makes him look like the President.

I wonder what Obama will look like in the next debate. I bet he'll be better after he sees this tape. He'll control his body more.

Right now, he is not the cool one.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

I guess Obama is staring down at his crib notes.

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

Nice that Romney went first here otherwise Obama would be taking up all 3 minutes.

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

@Titus/

I'm with you all the way! lol

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

More bi-partisanship and collaboration talk from Romney!

sakredkow ayon kay ...

A couple of civilized guys with reasonable platforms. Arguing soberly and respectfully.

Sometimes I think Romney's biggest deficit is some of his own supporters.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Lerher is too old for the job.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

--Romney let's off a thirty year old Reagan 'zinger'--


It's new to the kids.

shiloh ayon kay ...

Let the spinmeisters spewing their nonsense begin in earnest ...

Alex ayon kay ...

Seeing Red...

How about understanding basic math?

Wow, they might be able operate the McDonald's POS terminal.

edutcher ayon kay ...

shiloh said...

No game change = no effect!

Aren't we all glad the little weasel thinks so?

The Romster just kills Zero by mentioning he made schools in MA best in the country. "I've done it. I know how".

Zero just makes faces.

blessings

Only because Lehrer gave the 2 minute warning. Now Zero can get away from the Mean Mormon who's showing him up.

Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too.

Patrick ayon kay ...

Peter Beinert: My only hope is that the debate is so boring that people won't see how bad Obama is doing.

Jonah's mom again, ResonableMan?

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"tits"

We had that with Bachman and Gingrich. The tits didn't hold up.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Middle clas is buried under you mr president!

Paddy O ayon kay ...

"Romney is going to have a busy first day."

Might even work as long as 6 hours that day. Who has time for that?!

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Obama lists his accomplishments.

Up to you to decided whether those are facts.

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

Romney takes 1:10 of the last three minutes. Obama starts dropping his "g's". Could he break into dialect here?

Guildofcannonballs ayon kay ...

Obama takes ideas from all over.

Obamacare was a Republican idea by the way.

Votes though? They don't mean shit, it's all just a show.

Obama's sophistry is what matters.

virgil xenophon ayon kay ...

Oh, see Titus has commented again--was talking about the cage match..

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

The exports story is a big success for Obama, he should emphasize it more.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Actually I believe Mass schools are behind Red State schools in North Dakota and South Dakota.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama filubustering again

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Romney= collaborator?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Obama finally scores a hit on Romney. I may have a crappy plan but at least I have a plan.

Darrell ayon kay ...

phx
Are you so stupid that you think that "Godwin's Law" is an actual law of some sort? Did annyone "vote" on it? Did it require picture IDs to vote? Fuck Godwin and the horse he rode in on.
If the Left keeps acting like fascists, you've got to expect valid comparisons.

No go email your talking points co-ordinator for your response.

Oso Negro ayon kay ...

Obama - Governor Romney won't say no to the more extreme elements of his party. Dog whistle!!!

Shanna ayon kay ...

No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.

Somebody never saw stand and deliver.

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

two minutes.

How long will Obama's closing statement be?

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Four years ago!

Bush!

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

I hate the "people I met" trope.

Weak stuff.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

millionaresandbillionares

jr565 ayon kay ...

Obama keeps dinging Romney on not having a plan. The problem for Obama is that he's enacted his plan. How has that worked out so far?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Darrell said...

If the Left keeps acting like fascists, you've got to expect valid comparisons.


This is hysterical nonsense.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Companies are at fault

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Eek. Thank goodness it's almost over. Making me uncomfortable to watch the President be uncomfortable for so long.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

fare share!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

I want to see the time statistics between Obama and Romney.

My impression, perhaps incorrect, is that Obama was allowed to run the clock by a large margin and that ought to be a disgrace.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Fairness is the Obama mantra.

What that means is subject to debate.

Obama was effective.

Titus ayon kay ...

Well Chuck Romney said tonight Mass schools are number one in the entire nation?????????

Guildofcannonballs ayon kay ...

Well, unless I missed it, the fucked phrase "I will not rest" hasn't been used.

So we all won, in a way, tonight.

Thanks Denver.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

the truth came out!

fare share!

redistribution.

shiloh ayon kay ...

Not concerned about 47%, but Willard is concerned lol.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Good close by Obama. The idea that this guy is a radical seems ridiculous when you watch him action.

Mark ayon kay ...

Well, at least Obama got screwed on his anniversary.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Romney talks about Obama's failures.

Do you want four more years of this?

He looks directly at the camera. Good strategy.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Titus, Mass schools are better than Obama's Chicago schools. But not as good as Republican schools in the Dakotas. Or in Scott Walker's Wisconsin.

somefeller ayon kay ...

Romney won this debate. I don't think there were any great zingers, other than the Romney comment about how many teachers could have been hired with green energy subsidies.

The race is tightening up. Obama has dropped about 10 points on Intrade in recent days. He's still up on Romney, but he needs to elevate his game from what he showed tonight.

madAsHell ayon kay ...

I dunno.

The soaring orator is umming and ahhing his way to some un-convincing answers. I don't think Barry is good with numbers.

Romney? That fugger has done his homework. He can do the math.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

I really hate when politician say they "fought" or will "fight".

You aren't fighting unless your golf club is buried in someone's skull.

Almost Ali ayon kay ...

You know the two words. I've been using them since before the last presidential election, two words that perfectly capture the worst mistake ever made by the American people: Jive Turkey

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

Lerher is too old for the job

Agreed. Lehrer is not very good.

Obama's closing statement is not very coherent. Romney's isn't either -- but it's better than Obama's.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

If Romney wins, I hope he keeps his bipartisan, collaboration promises. He will keep pre existing conditions protections, that alone will not make his plan any cheaper than Obamacare.

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

Let the spinning begin!

edutcher ayon kay ...

phx said...

Yeah hitting the Death Panel memes would be suicide (ironic huh?) for Romney here.

No death panels in Romneycare, genius.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Here's where I go toward Obama.

Romney is not willing to cut the military and bring the troops home.

Advantage Obama.

On just about everything else, I'm with Romney.

shiloh ayon kay ...

Willard had a 36% job approval rating at the end of his term as MA gov. w/no chance for re-election!

blessings

Colonel Angus ayon kay ...

I may have a crappy plan but at least I have a plan.

So did General Custer.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Now, as I read AA comments, do I listen to FNC on TV, or see who is on the radio tonight?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

MITT KILLED.

Cheers,
Victoria

Pastafarian ayon kay ...

Romney won. We'll see if it matters.

ricpic ayon kay ...

Titus is a faux Republican. You don't faux me, Titus.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama 3
Romney 16
Lerher 2
Very surprised with Mittens performance.
Good Night.

Seeing Red ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
bagoh20 ayon kay ...

Now for tonight's episode of "Presidential Wife Swap"

Now that would be awesome TV!

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

Colonel Angus said...

So did General Custer.


No. Custer was as clueless as Romney.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama fled!

Romney sticks around.

Shouting Thomas ayon kay ...

Good one, bagoh!

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Inga, Romney is rather liberal in a split country, so I would say he will keep much of socialist healthcare.

Me? I wish he was more right wing domestically, and more isolationist foriegn wise. Why are Americans dying for shithole countries like Iraq and Afganistan?

Seeing Red ayon kay ...

There are many ways to bring down the price of that monstrosity, make it choice.

Tyrone Slothrop ayon kay ...

Putting aside the content of what the debaters said and just focusing on how they looked, how they engaged the audience, I have to give this one to Mitt. He looked better and he spoke more plainly and confidently. Most people don't give shit about "plans". They are judging the men's character by how they come across.

Titus ayon kay ...

Well then Chuck I guess Mitt's comments about Mass having the best schools in the nation was kind of like not true....

Why didn't Mitt go to any red state schools=he had a choice to go to the best schools in the country and natch he choice Mass.

Sure, North Dakota and South Dakota and Wisconsin (hilarious) believe you have better schools than Mass-thanks for the laugh.

ricpic ayon kay ...

Good assessment by somefeller who I believe leans left but calls it for Romney.

The Crack Emcee ayon kay ...

Romney won - easily.

Obama didn't come alive until the final segment, while Romney was "on" during the entire debate.

It should change the dynamic considerably,...

vbspurs ayon kay ...

And, Lem, Romney was waving to the crowd, and being surrounded by love and appreciation from his family.

This is going to lead to a 5 point bounce, you heard it here first.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

Well, good job Romney. He takes the round.

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

"Agreed. Lehrer is not very good."

I think his ineffectiveness was a plus. It was almost like he wasn't there.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

These debates are always good for the challenger. To appear on stage with the President as an equal is a big plus. This being said, Romney seems clueless. There are literally no ideas, new or old, that you can attribute to the man.

ricpic ayon kay ...

Titus finds the "gross" states distasteful.

Nathan Alexander ayon kay ...

Although I understand why he didn't, I wish Romney would have mentioned the complete lack of leadership in the week leading up to Amb Stevens death after Pres Obama said the first duty of a President is to keep Americans safe.

mccullough ayon kay ...

Romney was energetic and Obama looked tired. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney

Paddy O ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Tim ayon kay ...

Romney.

I wish he'd gone all Harbaugh on Obama, but I'll take the win.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

OMG the CSPAN Lady used the word gamechanger.

I'm flipping the channel.

Critter ayon kay ...

must be the smoking....

sakredkow ayon kay ...

Obama reminds me of the world chess champion, Vishy Anand. Looking a little bit lazy, a little less committed to the win. Too laid back.

But you just know he's also a very, very dangerous opponent and it would be a mistake to underestimate him.

I was pretty impressed by Romney though.

Darrell ayon kay ...

Obama can use the same management techniques he employed handling the terrorist threats on our embassies in Libya and Egypt to run ObamaCare. That'll work. Maybe he can contract out to a British security firm that agrees to the pre-condition of no bullets on site for local security.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Someone needs to ask Romney point blank, how long he plans on keeping troops in that hellhole Afghanistan.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan ayon kay ...

mccullough said...
Romney was energetic and Obama looked tired. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney


Romney hasn't had a real job in a decade. He should be pretty rested.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Tingles going ballistic!!

Peachy ayon kay ...

"....Obama, peevish, scripted. Romney, relaxed, and owning the stage like one of the “big, swinging dicks” from Wall Street, which Obama both despises and relies upon.

And that’s the trick tonight, isn’t it? Obama has always relied on the big money men in private, while disparaging them in public. But what happens when he comes up against one of them in the most public way possible?

Now we know the answer, and it ain’t pretty.

The president appeared small and petulant and reactive. Romney looked presidential and secure and proactive. There was only one president on the stage tonight, and he doesn’t (yet) hold the office."

-Stephen Green

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama 3
Romney 16
Lerher 2
Very surprised with Mittens performance.
Good Night.

Freeman Hunt ayon kay ...

Romney clearly won this one. Even the opinion at ABC seems to be that Romney won.

But Obama is going to come back much better. He won't make the same mistakes again.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Perhaps Mitt should have said "If you don't count states run by Norwegain Republicans, Mass has the best schools in the country,"

MadisonMan ayon kay ...

. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney

Really?

Well, being a President will age you, I guess.

Lyle ayon kay ...

I think I can handle of America becoming more like Utah and less like Chicago.

Onward Mormon Saints!

Gavin Buckley ayon kay ...

Obama struggled without the "Dolphins cumming right into your face!!!" Hope stuff.

Romney's platform of "shut up Jim" worked well. Won the debate hands down on optics.

Lehrer will no doubt appear in an anti-bullying commercial later this week.

john ayon kay ...

Inga said...
Someone needs to ask Romney point blank, how long he plans on keeping troops in that hellhole Afghanistan
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Allie, I nominate you for best unasked question of the debate. And I know you meant to say Obama.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Nathon, that is the next debate.

Mitt should say that instead of buying overpiced useless Chevy Volts, our embassis should strengthen security.

somefeller ayon kay ...

Chris Matthews just asked "where was Obama tonight?" and that Obama needs to watch MSNBC to get some pointers. Ouch.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama lost this one. Nonetheless Althouse mostly maintained "cruel neutrality" in her comments.

At this point I'm good with "stupid neutrality" or "politically correct neutrality" or just "neutrality bullshit."

vbspurs ayon kay ...

But Obama is going to come back much better. He won't make the same mistakes again.

But the number of eyeballs will be significantly less.

Darrell ayon kay ...

Obama's strength is not in debating. His strength is really...uh...ummm...it'll come to me...maybe, campaigning. And "date nights."

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Just watched Chris Matthews soil himself. He is ANGRY and tingles.

Obama's debate prep was either lazy or Kerry was a horrible surrogate, or BOTH!!!!!

ricpic ayon kay ...

'kay, independents? You've seen Romney and he's not the ogre depicted but a decent capable guy. You can let go of Obama's hand now. And they will. In droves.

Sydney ayon kay ...

So, it's over then? I didn't watch. I have already made up my mind. And I know that no matter who won the debate, the papers will make it seem that Obama did. They did that with every debate with McCain, no matter how well McCain did. And they did it with Palin and Biden. Come to think of it, they did it with Cheney and Edwards, too.

I hope Obama did badly enough that it is blatantly obvious he is the poorer candidate. Did he?

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Obama got buried.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

How long will Romney, if he is President keep our troops in Afghanistan, that is the question.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Obama destroyed Romney.

Obama destroyed the Moderator.

Obama destroyed the audience.

NYT will endorse Obama tomorrow. WashPost on Sunday.

Ha. ha. ha. Romney go home.

Chuck66 ayon kay ...

Inga, the Isolationist right like me and the pacifist left like you can agree on that.

Afgan is a shithole not worth one more American life. But neather Mitt nor Barry have a clue on what to do with it.

Paddy O ayon kay ...

He won't make the same mistakes again.

Poor Kerry. He's going to lose as a mock candidate now too.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Gmama3, Romney wiped his brow after debate prep with Rob Portman, he said.

Portman has been the GOP POTUS debate prep go-to guy since 2000. He has played Gore, Kerry, and Obama. Poor guy.

Cheers,
Victoria

bagoh20 ayon kay ...

creely23, I think you are on to something.

sakredkow ayon kay ...

Obama still has his secret weapon which will be with him through November: Romney supporters.

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