Althouse: Palin refers to Obama's "cocaine snorting, and what he ate

June 16, 2012

Palin refers to Obama's "cocaine snorting, and what he ate — Fido? Rufus?"

"I think it’s funny that the cocktail circuit gives me a hard time for eating elk and moose. Anybody here have a pet moose? There’s a difference."

98 comments:

traditionalguy said...: Go Sarah!; 6/16/12, 12:00 PM
David said...: Rufus?

Uh, oh.; 6/16/12, 12:01 PM
Michael K said...: She hasn't lost her spark. I was at the Venetian a couple of years ago and, in talking to employees, learned that they love working there. I didn't know until reading that piece in Politico that they are non-union.; 6/16/12, 12:06 PM
Unknown said...: The angle she's taking on the drug war is about played out. Conservatives won't contrast well with Choom snorting coke unless they begin talking about standing down the militarized police, questioning why we have more of our people in prison than any nation on earth and including the cost of the drug war in their calculations of government waste.

The best thing conservatives can do this summer is to stick to the economy. B.O. and Bill have shown that nobody cares what the president snorts or where he puts his dick. They care about the harm he can do them and whether his beliefs are going to make him a pain in their asses.; 6/16/12, 12:18 PM
viator said...: "I’m not going to get in the way of a doctor prescribing something that he or she believes will help a cancer patient."

"I think we need to prioritize our law enforcement efforts. If somebody's gonna to smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems we have in society."

Sarah Palin; 6/16/12, 12:28 PM
cubanbob said...: Bertram Wooster said...

If Choom took the same enforcement effort for MJ that he does for for voter fraud and illegal immigration then it wouldn't be an issue. In the meantime the only thing Choom and the democrats can do is talk about everything but the economy.; 6/16/12, 12:29 PM
Jaske said...: The best thing conservatives can do this summer is to stick to the economy.

Agreed, leave bizarre foods to Andrew Zimmern.; 6/16/12, 12:32 PM
Carol said...: 'rufus"

dogwhistle!; 6/16/12, 12:33 PM
garage mahal said...: Huh. I thought Palin liked black guys.; 6/16/12, 12:37 PM
chuckR said...: garage

Todd Palin is eight times the Native American Liz Warren purports to be.; 6/16/12, 12:47 PM
Rusty said...: garage mahal said...
Huh. I thought Palin liked black guys.

There ya go. Workin without tools again.; 6/16/12, 12:49 PM
edutcher said...: Give her credit, she tells a better joke than Choom.

(who doesn't?)

The real point is that line shows how she connects a lot better with average Americans than Choom ever will.

Which is why he's in trouble.; 6/16/12, 1:04 PM
n.n said...: She's keeping it real. Her detractors and pedants in general do not, but should appreciate her effort.

As for rejecting psychotropic (i.e. reality distorting) drugs and practicing self-moderating behavior, we should at least demand higher standards of our leaders.; 6/16/12, 1:16 PM
Jaske said...: Huh. I thought Palin liked black guys.

Wow.; 6/16/12, 1:35 PM
somefeller said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/16/12, 1:37 PM
somefeller said...: Entertainment celebrity is entertaining!; 6/16/12, 1:38 PM
wyo sis said...: I like Palin. She's an amazing person. She is really what the founders had in mind when they established this country. Strong, independent, smart, and enterprising.; 6/16/12, 1:41 PM
garage mahal said...: What's funny about Palin's braggadocio about eating elk and being the rugged outdoors woman, it's painfully obvious she hasn't shot many guns or handled many fishing rods in her life. Does anyone really think she would last one day in the bush by herself?; 6/16/12, 1:48 PM
Michael K said...: " garage mahal said...
Huh. I thought Palin liked black guys."

No surprise at the slur. One of the comments on my review of her book when it came out alleged she left Hawaii because of the inter racial population.

So she married an Eskimo.

Lame doesn't have cover it.; 6/16/12, 1:50 PM
Michael K said...: "garage mahal said...
What's funny about Palin's braggadocio about eating elk and being the rugged outdoors woman, it's painfully obvious she hasn't shot many guns or handled many fishing rods in her life"

Another slur. So her work on Todd's family fishing boat doesn't count, eh ?

How do you know all this ? Have you been accompanying Andrew Sullivan on his uterus expeditions ?; 6/16/12, 1:52 PM
Cedarford said...: Well, Palin is funny but there are lots of stories about her on "snowmobile expeditions" in the 80s with oilfield workers - snorting coke off top of oil drums the snowmobilers found and held a party next to.
Both Palin and Dubya did a little "Chooming" themselves.

And it wouldn't hurt Romney much to admit:
"I did try to taste a little wine in France just to see why so many doors got slammed in my face when I told Frenchies being Mormon meant being wine-free. IT wasn't that good...but one time I inadvertently ate a stew my host later mentioned was seasoned with half a bottle of red burgundy. It was delicious!"

(And even if Romney never did...it would be a good white lie to make him seem more human. ); 6/16/12, 2:11 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/16/12, 2:15 PM
Steve Koch said...: One time a moose came running up (effortlessly) a very steep ravine and ran right by me with only 10 feet separating us when he was nearest. He completely surprised me and I think I surprised it. The moose was enormous, just an amazing physical specimen.; 6/16/12, 2:15 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: Okay. Someone is going to have to explain why "Rufus" is code. I have met only a handful of beings named "Rufus." All of them were dogs, and most of them Irish Setters. You know, "Rufus," as in "rufous," as in reddish. I have never met a human being named "Rufus."

If that's a dog whistle, I must be getting those middle-aged "can't hear that high a pitch any more" ears they're always talking about.; 6/16/12, 2:17 PM
garage mahal said...: How do you know all this ? Have you been accompanying Andrew Sullivan on his uterus expeditions ?

You can just tell by the way she holds a gun or a fishing rod that she hasn't done it much.; 6/16/12, 2:19 PM
Chip S. said...: What's funny about garage mahal's commentary about Palin is that it's painfully obvious he's a racist who fancies himself some sort of progressive thinker.

First, he seems to associate "Rufus"--very commonly used to represent a generic dog name--with African-Americans. Despite the fact that probably the best-known person with that name is Rufus Wainwright.

Next, he associates a white person's involvement with an African-American as signifying something about the African-American's racial identity rather than something about that person as an individual.

Classic signifiers of racism.; 6/16/12, 2:26 PM
chuckR said...: Michelle

Apparently you never met the President/Dictator of Freedonia,
(Duck Soup - who was played by a person of paleness, Groucho Marx).; 6/16/12, 2:30 PM
chuckR said...: dang - Chip S beat me, while I was wrasslin' with the WV; 6/16/12, 2:32 PM
Chip S. said...: @chuckR-- Your Rufus is Firefly, not Wainwright.; 6/16/12, 2:34 PM
Michael K said...: "One time a moose came running up (effortlessly) a very steep ravine and ran right by me with only 10 feet separating us when he was nearest. He completely surprised me and I think I surprised it. The moose was enormous, just an amazing physical specimen."

One day near Denali, my kids and I were hiking on a trail when we saw Moose droppings that were fresh. I was a little concerned as the trail was narrow. We turned off and went back. The next day or so, a tourist was killed by a moose in the same area. They are not pets.

I've seen Palin in photos holding rifles and didn't notice anything unusual. Fishing in Alaska with rods is amateur stuff. She worked on the fishing boat that Todd's family has run for decades. They use nets. Once salmon enter the rivers to spawn, they won't feed or take a lure. You can still catch trout but salmon must be caught offshore if you want to use a rod. A lot of the salmon caught in rivers are actually snagged by fishermen.; 6/16/12, 2:42 PM
Opus One Media said...: A turd in the punchbowl comes to mind when I think of this looser.

Sarah proves there are limits to good taste and obviously no limit to bad.; 6/16/12, 2:56 PM
Jason said...: A moose once bit my sister.; 6/16/12, 3:24 PM
edutcher said...: hdhouse said...

A turd in the punchbowl comes to mind when I think of this looser.

The loser is HD.

Actually, as her endorsements are running upwards of 60% successful, she's doing a lot better than SCOAMF whose approval has become the Kiss of Death.

YA BETCHA!!!!!

Sarah proves there are limits to good taste and obviously no limit to bad.

No, Miss Sarah has class and intellect. All HD has is the bad judgment to support somebody like President Choom.; 6/16/12, 3:36 PM
Aridog said...: Fair is fair ...okay?

Much as it pains me to defend @Garage m, his point vis a vis Sarah Palin's gun familiarity is very likely founded on her disastrous cable TV movie about herself and Alaska. In the caribou hunting episode she had her daddy load each round for each shot, then grabbed a different rifle to run bounding down the hill to the caribou prey ... holding that rifle literally upside down...as if to be ready to what?...make a suden kill shot if necessary?

Then to make it worse, she alleged the landing site for her hunting trip was remote, only suitable for uber rugged tiny aircraft, etc. ...never mind it was once part of the DEW Line, and a paved runway that supported C-47's for landing and take off. Fact is it is still a regular guided hunters stop supporting multi-passenger aircraft. (Never mind how they managed to get the film crews in and out, as well as the caribou meat.)

In other words, Sarah Palin created her own gaffes and has been rightly mocked for them. Fortunately she has ceased making things up, so it is easier to like her.

I've grown to like Palin mainly because she makes liberals go ape crap. She is far less egregious than say Bill Maher or that total fraud Michael Moore.

There, I've done my duty...; 6/16/12, 3:39 PM
Humperdink said...: HDHouse said: "A turd in the punchbowl comes to mind when I think of this looser."

Loose? Looser? Loosest? Feminist slur? Please elaborate.; 6/16/12, 3:49 PM
fivewheels said...: When I hear Rufus, I think of Rufus Sewell, believe it or not. But I was a fan of Dark City.; 6/16/12, 3:54 PM
wyo sis said...: 'Cause "reality" shows are always so real don't cha know. If you do anything you're going to make a mistake. There's always someone willing to point it out. So, the alternative is do nothing, or quit caring what people think.
I get that It's the bragging and then failing that makes it so rich. That's exactly why I enjoy watching Obama melt down. That's why George Bush is so seemingly bulletproof in that way, he's willing to laugh at himself.; 6/16/12, 3:59 PM
Jason said...: Oooh, a C-47! You mean the twin-engine cargo aircraft from WWII designed for max lift over speed and specifically designed for rugged, rough grass runways such as were common in England at the time, moron?; 6/16/12, 4:03 PM
Aridog said...: Jason ... moron, eh? Look Palin unnecessarily embellished the ruggedness of the landing strip, which is used today for multiple passenger aircraft hauling hunters in and out. Palin didn't have to make a 10 minute part about how only tiny one passenger planes could handle it. But she did. And it is a paved run way,not rough broken ground or grass.

I like Palin, and I am delighted she ceased making up this reality crap that was virtually unreal. No need to fake anything if you are straight up, simple as that. I am rather sure she finally got some advice to that effect and has grown from there.

My better half and I worked for her, specifically, in 2008, the better half putting in 20 hours per week on her own. How about you?; 6/16/12, 4:11 PM
ndspinelli said...: ChipS, Superb slap down of Mr. Garage! But, how could you avoid his "bush" comment. I think it's Freudian because Mr. Garage dreams of "spending a day in [her] bush."; 6/16/12, 4:17 PM
ndspinelli said...: Or, maybe Mr. Garage dreams of "holding [Todd's] fishing rod."; 6/16/12, 4:19 PM
garage mahal said...: First, he seems to associate "Rufus"--very commonly used to represent a generic dog name--with African-Americans.

What the fuck are you talking about?; 6/16/12, 4:20 PM
Aridog said...: wyo sis ... my problem with Palin's "reality" show about her in Alaska was that it was both unnecessary and embarrassing for someone who supported her. The "Mama Grizzly" meme was baloney and totally distracting. I got no satisfaction watching her fail in truth when she was capable of so much better.

Today she has a much better plan.; 6/16/12, 4:22 PM
chickelit said...: Rufus Ferguson was a Badger football star and a bit of a local hero. I saw him play.; 6/16/12, 6:14 PM
Phil 314 said...: Thank you Jason, my first thought exactly. And some of the rest:

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with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given
her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and
star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo
Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst
Nordfink".

We apologise for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible have been
sacked.

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responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked
have been sacked.

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Møøses' noses wiped by BJORN IRKESTOM-SLATER WALKER

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half side of the screen
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grounding in Latin,
French and "O" Level
Geography by BO BENN

Suggestive poses for the
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Antler-care by LIV THATCHER

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people had been sacked, wish it to
be known that they have just been
sacked.

The credits have been completed
in an entirely different style at
great expense and at the last
minute.; 6/16/12, 6:16 PM
Phil 314 said...: As for the content of the post, New York will never reconcile with Alaska.

Garage, I used to hold you in some esteem but you have definitely let your game slip.

Get over Walker and get on with it.; 6/16/12, 6:18 PM
Phil 314 said...: PS No Palin fan but damn she still is a dog whistle for the libs; 6/16/12, 6:21 PM
Phil 314 said...: When I hear Rufus, I think of Rufus Sewell, believe it or not. But I was a fan of Dark City.

One of my favorites!; 6/16/12, 6:22 PM
Rusty said...: garage mahal said...
What's funny about Palin's braggadocio about eating elk and being the rugged outdoors woman, it's painfully obvious she hasn't shot many guns or handled many fishing rods in her life. Does anyone really think she would last one day in the bush by herself?

Another armchair superman heard from.
Bet she'd last longer than you.

The funny thing is that you actually cared enough about her that you watched her shows.; 6/16/12, 6:23 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: garage mahal,

What the fuck are you talking about?

OK. From early comments,

Rufus?

Uh, oh.

'rufus"

dogwhistle!

In my world, as I said, beings called "Rufus" are mostly Irish Setters. NTTAWWT.; 6/16/12, 6:30 PM
Known Unknown said...: RUFUS!; 6/16/12, 6:30 PM
Jason said...: Alright, Leslyn,

Put up or shut up. Where is the unsafe firearms handling? Post the vid.; 6/16/12, 6:34 PM
harrogate said...: These are always fun.; 6/16/12, 6:40 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: hdhouse,

A turd in the punchbowl comes to mind when I think of this looser.

"This looser"? Where's the Kaopectate when you need it?; 6/16/12, 6:43 PM
Aridog said...: Jason ... you're being hard headed, now you got me defending leslyn ... thanks a pant load. Here's the outtake from her reality bit, note the gun handling around 1:24 or so ...it is upside-down....and not the gun she shot the deer with either.

Sorry they didn't include the half dozen shots, all individually loaded by her father for her, she missed before getting one off that connected.

All fake, all the time in that video. As I said, as a Palin supporter it was embarrassing.

You might want to back off that "worship" bit for Palin, it's very similar to the Jug Eared Messiah's fan club meme.; 6/16/12, 7:02 PM
garage mahal said...: Bet she'd last longer than you.

Cmon. I grew up in northern Wisconsin. And I worked for real on fishing boats, not pretend to pull nets for TV cameras in $300 dollar sunglasses. I was first mate on this 43' Hatteras on weekends for a while when I lived in FL.

And to think I was just a skinny white kid from Wisconsin that had never seen the ocean before! Truth be told though, first mates are notoriously unreliable, and for me, I wouldn't miss a day ocean fishing for anything, and I picked up a lot of jobs just being available. Man do I miss it.; 6/16/12, 7:11 PM
Jason said...: I asked Leslyn to point out the unsafe gun handling. You point to a clip where she holds a rifle upside down. You're getting dumber and dumber. Holding a rifle upside down doesn't harm the rifle, and it's not going to knock the scope out if you installed it correctly.

And who cares if it's not the same rifle she shot the animal with?

Find something else to harp on.; 6/16/12, 7:20 PM
AllenS said...: Obama eats dog, garage eats road kill, and Palin eats moose.; 6/16/12, 7:20 PM
Jason said...: Hey, leslyn! Where's the unsafe handling? Put up or shut up!; 6/16/12, 7:21 PM
Aridog said...: Jason ... you are the one harping. The original comment, by garage m, that I defended was that she had little or no experience with handling firearms. The video clip demonstrates that. Leslyn brought up safety, and frankly, I don't disagree on that either. A life time of handling weapons of all kinds makes me nervous around people running with a loaded weapon they carry improperly. It has nothing to do with the rifle scoop, just lack of training and experience.

BTW ... I've stated I support Palin and did so in 2008 actively, even if I had some reservations, and I asked you if you did. You did not answer.

Frankly, I'm not going to disagree with someone here or anywhere else just because I don't particularly like them or others don't. If they make a valid comment and get mocked, and I know it, I will respond defensively.

The issue raised was Sarah Palin is not very experienced with firearms. She isn't. End of story.; 6/16/12, 7:35 PM
chickelit said...: @Michelle Thomson:

Lolol! and good eye!

It's not easy to bring HD House to his knees because he rarely gets out of his wheelchair.; 6/16/12, 7:43 PM
Jason said...: "Carry improperly?"

According to whom?; 6/16/12, 7:43 PM
Aridog said...: Jason said... "Carry improperly?"
According to whom?

Sigh. According to me. Call me stoggy, but that's based upon 62 years of NRA and 30+ years of US military experience.; 6/16/12, 8:09 PM
Jason said...: Then you should know better.

Palin's dad preloads a round in the clip. An experienced huntsman and a good spotter. I'd do the same thing. I don't want the shooter to worry about anything but the shot. Trying to read ANYTHING into that is just ridiculous.

One of the ignoramuses in the comments at the Caribou vid suggests Palin doesn't know how to work the bolt. But at the beginning of the vid she's working the bolt just fine. And it's not like that's the first video of Palin shooting.; 6/16/12, 8:19 PM
Rusty said...: AllenS said...
Obama eats dog, garage eats road kill, and Palin eats moose

True storey.

At the sportsmans club I belonged to about 40 of us were running a six inch waterline from one pond to another. The distance was about 100 yards and we employed a small backhoe and a lot of members with shovels.
One of the members drove up and told us that a doe was hit just then on rte 71 just north of Newark, Illinois, about five miles away.
About 20 of the guys took off.
We had the backstraps for lunch and the loin roasts for supper.; 6/16/12, 8:57 PM
Nathan Alexander said...: I don't see the controversy around Sarah Palin's hunting experiences.

I have never heard her claim to be an expert hunter.

I've heard her claim she's hunted. I've heard her claim she's made kills.

In this very outtake, she talks about listening to her dad, doing what he says, beings successful, and learning something in the process. That's what we saw in the preceding clip. No?

I'm not exactly excited or impressed with the way she carried the rifle down to the animal. But is it possible she was told to carry it that way to protect the scope if she tripped/fell?

Also, why is it a big deal if she carried a different rifle down to the animal?

She started on one rifle, missed, and switched to a heavier caliber (her dad warned her about the kick several times). Once the animal is down, if you need to take another shot at a wounded and apparently non-ambulatory animal, why not switch back to a lighter caliber?

And regarding the airstrip, she was the star of the show. Does that mean she needs to be an expert on every aspect of the show? Or just that she will, at times, repeat information that has been given to her? Since reality shows also have scripts, at times, and with her probably being unable to independently verify information, and probably not seeing any need to, I'm *really* not bothered by her giving potentially inaccurate information about an airstrip.

It's not like the information she is giving is deciding an election or the future course of the nation.; 6/16/12, 9:20 PM
garage mahal said...: One of the members drove up and told us that a doe was hit just then on rte 71 just north of Newark, Illinois, about five miles away.
About 20 of the guys took off.
We had the backstraps for lunch and the loin roasts for supper.

Two Roadkill commenters. It's a Wisconsin Tradition.; 6/16/12, 9:25 PM
Henry said...: I really don't see any problem with eating dog. Dogs are domesticated animals. So are cows.

I had friends who raised their own cows. The named the cows "beef cow 1" and "beef cow 2". They didn't want the kids to identify with the cows as pets.

Please note, I'm not talking about eating your dog. I'm talking about eating dog.; 6/16/12, 9:35 PM
bagoh20 said...: Intelligence and knowledge lose a lot of their value if you don't use them to consider all the possibilities.; 6/16/12, 9:47 PM
tiger said...: garage mahal said...
Huh. I thought Palin liked black guys.

Gosh, comments like this and you expect people to take you seriously?

For all their vaunted claims of being for minorities liberals are the first to use race and sexual orientation as means of trying to insult their opponents.; 6/16/12, 10:00 PM
mtrobertsattorney said...: Well Airdog, I guess all those World War II GIs who carried their M1s slung over their shoulder upside down had it all wrong. I guess they weren't trained right huh?; 6/16/12, 10:06 PM
JAL said...: @ GM Does anyone really think she would last one day in the bush by herself?

Yup.; 6/16/12, 11:06 PM
JAL said...: I had friends who raised their own cows. The named the cows "beef cow 1" and "beef cow 2". They didn't want the kids to identify with the cows as pets.

We called our beef cow (black angus) "Hamburgers."; 6/16/12, 11:17 PM
AlanKH said...: Sarah hunt moose and squirrel?; 6/16/12, 11:21 PM
Michael K said...: "Two Roadkill commenters. It's a Wisconsin Tradition.
"

In Alaska, if you drive along the highways, you will see signs "Game management area 22" and so forth. These areas delineate the rights to roadkill. If a moose or other game animal is hit and killed, the next name on the "roadkill list" is called. He has 30 minutes to respond and come to collect the game. Often whole families exist on the roadkill animals collected this way and frozen. THey will eat the meat all winter and winter is the tiome when most roadkill is found.; 6/17/12, 12:22 AM
Michael K said...: " And I worked for real on fishing boats, not pretend to pull nets for TV cameras in $300 dollar sunglasses."

I didn't see the "reality show" and don't watch much TV. She worked for years on Todd's family fishing boat. If that is what you are ridiculing, you don't know shit.

I don't know what kind of a shot she is. Everybody in Alaska eats game. Maybe she isn't much of a shot. So what ?; 6/17/12, 12:28 AM
Jason said...: Do auto salvage yards have similar claims?; 6/17/12, 12:31 AM
Chip Ahoy said...: Rufus called. Said, tell her something good, tell her, tell her, tell her, tell her that you like it, yeah.; 6/17/12, 1:15 AM
greenlantern said...: Sarah meant Rufus (roof us) an allusion to BO eating the dog that Romney only put on the roof of his car.

But Lefties, keep screaming "racism" at every little thing that rattles your cage. You and the Boy King are fast becoming irrelevant.; 6/17/12, 3:05 AM
AllenS said...: Can you imagine the national media, if Sarah Palin had said that she picks up road kill, brings it home and feeds her family? Even if she carries a rifle differently from others, and even if she has her father doing some things for her, at least she's out there trying to be of help feeding the family. Yes, it was a reality show, but I see someone who went through life ready to roll up her sleeves and help out where and when needed.; 6/17/12, 5:59 AM
AllenS said...: Think about that dork, obama, putting a worm on a hook. Think he could clean a fish? Could he cook one? He hasn't done jack shit his whole life.; 6/17/12, 6:14 AM
Aridog said...: Jason sez ...Palin's dad preloads a round in the clip. An experienced huntsman and a good spotter. I'd do the same thing. I don't want the shooter to worry about anything but the shot.

1. The rifles used do NOT have "clips", they have fixed built in magazines. You're an experienced "
huntsman" you say?

2. By your description of your experience, in my opinion, you are exactly what is wrong with hunting today ... nanny guiding for profit, and damn teaching any normal hunting skills.

3. I have repeatedly said I like Sarah Palin and have tangibly supported her in the past,even when I had reservations, asking if others (like you) have done the same to a response of ...uh, "crickets." I have said more than ponce that now that she has mostly abandoned the "Momma Grizzly" persona she is far more helpful to the conservative cause.

Frankly, your arguments about gun handling and hunting are typical Liberal stances .... knowing nothing but doing things anyway. Then framing you answers to question by asking another question.

Further conversation is pointless.; 6/17/12, 6:26 AM
Aridog said...: AllenS ... I see someone who went through life ready to roll up her sleeves and help out where and when needed.

I agree with that concept as Palin's attitude. She is doing just that these days.

However, t-h-a-t "help out" meme was not the persona portrayed in the absurd TV series...it was the "Grizzly Moma" act. Nothing more. As for helping feed the family? ... a crew of 3 (or more?), flown in on private aircraft, to shoot a single caribou and pack out maybe 75 lbs of meat, is a pretty expensive way to feed anyone. As for the gun carry aspect ... I'll skip that one as I know with certainty that you know better.

I like her much better now that she mostly avoids the macho Alaskan act and concentrates on political policy in support of candidates.; 6/17/12, 6:49 AM
AllenS said...: Aridog,

I didn't watch the TV series. Reality TV sucks. She probably shouldn't have done it, but it must have seemed like a good idea at the time to her. We all live and learn. I hope she learned something.; 6/17/12, 7:00 AM
Jason said...: Confirmation-bias, thy name is Aridog,

Your insufferable nit-picking, point-scoring arrogance has become tiresome.

You are consistently trying to draw broad, sweeping conclusions from tiny pieces of evidence, sort of like a bad scientist who tries to establish a trend based on an N of 2.

But let's take them one by one.

1. You cannot conclude that Palin is an inexperienced rifle handler from 3 seconds of video carrying a rifle upside down. That's stupid. You're layering your own pet peeves onto the evidence.

2. You cannot conclude tha Palin doesn't know how to slip a round into the chamber of a bolt action rifle just because you see her dad do it for her on one clip. The only thing you can conclude is that her dad CAN.

3. You are correct. I carelessly said "clip" where I meant to say "chamber." However, because you are a nit-picking point scorer who draws broad conclusions from tiny bits of non-evidence, you didn't consider a couple of possiblities: A. I'm not a dick-measuring point scorer obsessed with the lexicon of firearms, so I don't much care. My meaning was quite clear to the reader. B. I was writing after having been up at 4 am thanks to the conclusion of a 2-week military exercise I just completed. Yes, you aren't the only poster around to have worn the uniform.

3. Point to where I said I was a hunter.

I've never hunted, unless you count Iraqi insurgents. My experience with firearms doesn't come from hobby shooting or subsistence hunting, but from 20 years as an infantryman (minus 3 years or so when I was a tanker), including three years with a scout/sniper platoon, and a combat deployment to Ramadi.

So EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!

Frankly, your arguments about gun handling and hunting are typical Liberal stances ....

Well, this oughta be entertaining. Please explain how you can take ANYTHING I have ever written on this blog, or elsewhere on the internet (mostly at www.iraqnow.blogspot.com, where I've got lots of stuff up about Palin for you top obsess over if you like), and conclude I'm REMOTELY a liberal.

Feel free to dig through the archives. There IS another Jason who posts here occasionally under the same name, but we pretty much always agree, as far as I can recall.

But I'm telling you, going from my posts on this thread, and then going from 0-60 in three seconds to "liberal arguments" is just further evidence of you jumping to sweeping conclusions from tiny bits of evidence, based on your incredible sucseptability to confirmation bias.; 6/17/12, 7:07 AM
Aridog said...: mtrobertsattorney said...

Well Airdog, I guess all those World War II GIs who carried their M1s slung over their shoulder upside down had it all wrong. I guess they weren't trained right huh?

1. You got some photos of a lot of WWII GI's carrying their M1's upside down at port-arms? You see, that isn't over the shoulder. You are commenting without watching the video, or from a lack of experience. As you said, you are guessing.

2. That said ...generally, slung upside down over the off side should leaves the rifle muzzle pointing down where it can easily become dirt fouled, but, with due care, it is one of the fastest positions to draw a rifle up from to get on target ... and I have done it. However, it not something taught in any fundamental rifle course I know of to date.

Are you debating the issue of rifle handling or Palin's suitability as a conservative advocate? If you read and note, I've said more than once that I support her in all that.; 6/17/12, 7:09 AM
Jason said...: Then framing you answers to question by asking another question.

Do you think that's a liberal thing? Why? Because liberals sometimes do it? That makes it a liberal thing?

Don't you think a reasonable person could count that as further evidence of your exhibiting your tendency toward confirmation bias by drawing unwarranted conclusions from tiny (and irrelevant) data points?; 6/17/12, 7:15 AM
Aridog said...: Jason ... you are the arrogant one, since you insist on lack of evidence in a video as confirming your points. There are other Palin handling firearms clips that are equally amusing. She just isn't an expert at it ... but why is that even important to her role in politics? I only said she wasn't an expert, but that I supported her politically. What is YOUR problem?

ALL I said, initially, was that Garage M may have gotten his impression that Palin was not an experienced hunter from the tv show she produced.

The the worshipers of Grizzly Momma went nuts. "Worship" behavior, flaws and all, is a Liberal tendency. I did not say you were a liberal, just that you appear to have a common trait with them. Thou shalt not criticize dear leader, etc.

Tell me why that rugged outdoors woman persona is important to her positions as a conservative? They aren't. She's figured that out. Maybe you ought to as well.

I'm glad you have military experience. I know I'm not the only one who has it, some others on this board have it pressed down and running over, and wounds they came home with to boot. Let's skip the comparative hero meme, okay. I'm no hero and neither are you. The Heros are dead.

But I am expert with firearms, and that is what I draw my conclusions about observations from ... not a series of yeah-buts.

Are we done now? I know I am.; 6/17/12, 7:29 AM
Aridog said...: AllenS ... yes, she definitely seems to have learned from it. I admire her for that. I've said that repeatedly, but a few on this thread just can't stand it that any criticism is leveled at Palin. Dang it, I initially only defended Garage M, because a remark he made was truthful and he got flak for it none the less. I gather defending Garage M in any manner is verboten to some folks. No matter that a broken watch is right twice a day, etc.

Say hey, I've learned my lesson. Thou shalt not be critical of Miss Sarah for anything, even if you otherwise support her.; 6/17/12, 7:53 AM
harrogate said...: Still, all these years and all this crappy television and tabloid feed later, a lot of people are invested in her as showing some sort of authenticity. THAT's what is

Interesting.; 6/17/12, 7:54 AM
Nathan Alexander said...: @harrogate,
If you wanted to make an honest and accurate observation rather than your typical nonsense, it would be:
"Still, all these years and all this crappy television and tabloid feed later, a lot of people are invested in attacking her via authenticity arguments, which is both ironic and hypocritical based on their history of voting for Democrats/liberals."; 6/17/12, 8:22 AM
chickelit said...: harrogate said...
Still, all these years and all this crappy television and tabloid feed later, a lot of people are invested in her as showing some sort of authenticity. THAT's what is

Interesting.

Such a good little Sullivanist. You're so invested in your own vision of what America is, what faith is and even what love is.

And you will pretend to only ponder why the world isn't as you envision but inside you just resent her.; 6/17/12, 8:36 AM
Chip S. said...: "Reality" TV is a bit less reliable an indicator of someone's true nature than phrenology.; 6/17/12, 9:16 AM
Unknown said...: ....it's painfully obvious she hasn't shot many guns or handled many fishing rods in her life. Does anyone really think she would last one day in the bush by herself?

What a whack-job..

Perhaps you can point to indications of her unfamiliarity with weapons here.

http://www.jeffhead.com/palin/palin-guns2.jpg

or here

http://www.websophist.com/Palin-M4.jpg

or here

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=palin+hunting&view=detail&id=CA2E9337C4124593B4A223E7C29CF12B7A2F94DA&first=0&FORM=IDFRIR

Also, if I were Althouse I would ban you for your racist comment, it is beneath this website discussion. Liberal racism, it never ends.; 6/17/12, 9:39 AM
Unknown said...: I looked at the clip and she does not hold the weapon upside down, it is rather parallel to the ground. That said, the frame is almost 1 second in length. I suppose if you filmed me hunting over 96 hours, you might see me holding my rifle in an awkward in 1 second or another.

Now lets talk about whether the long term effects of Obama's cocaine and marijuana abuse has impaired his performance as Coyote-In-Chief.

http://banderasnews.com/0509/eded-coyote.htm; 6/17/12, 11:07 AM
harrogate said...: hey chicklit,

Newsflash: Ann posted about her; I am responding to what commenters are writing. Damn, you're not even good at making shit up about people. Your straw-man-me is all talking points 101. Which is barely worth explaining to you.

Ann Althouse: just pick a thread, any thread at all, and read it. It's interesting indeed that you are not insanely embarrassed to have developed the core commenting base you have developed.; 6/17/12, 11:49 AM
Gene said...: Garage Mahal: Does anyone really think she would last one day in the bush by herself?

She doesn't have to. She married a guy who could survive quite nicely outdoors. He shoots and she cooks. Moose stew? No problem.; 6/17/12, 1:01 PM
viator said...: Palin fishing

Palin fishing

Palin fishing; 6/17/12, 7:49 PM