At around 9:30 p.m., there was a tense faceoff between protesters and police officers on Broadway at 14th Street. About 100 officers, some appearing to be sheriff’s deputies, stood behind a metal barricade in full riot gear and wearing gas masks, while on the other side people pressed against the barricade, waving peace signs and chanting slogans. A few protesters hurled objects — what looked like water bottles — at the police, while over a loud speaker, officers instructed people to disperse or risk “chemical agents.”The street-level video looks very chaotic and dramatic. It's pure emotion. Hard for the police to look good from this perspective:
October 26, 2011
Police versus Occupy protesters in Oakland.
Lots of photos and video.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 495 Newer› Newest»Joe - There is no reason for me to answer a question that is irrelevant to my initial posting of the primary points.
I'm not her to defend nor agree with the points of the study.
I merely posted them so you and others could work yourselves into a frenzy attacking anyone or anything with whom you disagree.
It appears to have worked.
SPImmortal - Once again: George W. Bush signed the bank bailout bill.
Are you still
saying he didn't sign it?
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There were two bank bailout bills, both OKed and one signed by Obama. You're trying so hard to stay on message, it's cute.
Good lord...I merely posted the primary points.
If you disagree...send a letter to Baucus and Grassley. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.
My problem is not with the study. My problem is with your cherry-picking the results to show the trend you were predetermined to show. It's a form of lying.
In your defense, you didn't personally cherry-pick those data points. To your shame, your passed them along unquestioningly and with utter indifference to the truth. Does it bother you at all to know just how much you are being used as a tool? To what degree you are being manipulated into lying by other people? If you had an ounce of dignity or self-respect, you wouldn't willingly choose to be a useful idiot.
Back on message, I see...
Bit of sarcasm. "Never trust the government, unless hippies are getting gassed and their skulls fractured". Then, all good meng. You and Sdaam Hussein have something in common when it comes to gassing it's own citizens.
No, I WITTINGLY give the police the authority to tear gas me if I forcibly occupy a public space for weeks against posted and verbal warnings while I use and sell drugs, beat other protesters, block emergency vehicles, crap on the lawn, and throw bottles at the cops when they show up.
So you can assure me the Iraqi vet, and Wisconsin native, that's in critical condition with a cracked skull, is guilty of the things you cited? Really?
If you disagree...send a letter to Baucus and Grassley. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.
Love, that is a total fucking cop-out. How unscrupulous! You can't introduce copy-and-pasted studies to prove your point, then say any corrections to the absurd study should be directed to Max Baucus. You introduced the evidence; you should have to defend it!
But you can't because that ridiculous study is indefensible.
Joe - "so sorry if that bothers you."
Yes, it does bother me.
My question is this: Why doesn't someone possibly dying at a protest rally bother you?
You and Roger and others think it's somehow funny or deserving for some kid who just served in Iraq to die over this?
You're both pricks.
Joe - "so sorry if that bothers you."
Yes, it does bother me.
My question is this: Why doesn't someone possibly dying at a protest rally bother you?
You and Roger and others think it's somehow funny or deserving for some kid who just served in Iraq to die over this?
You're both pricks.
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That wasn't a protest. That was a mob that had already been dispersed for many violations of the law. They came back at night specifically to confront the police with violence like they had earlier in the day.
Coketown - To prove what "point?"
I didn't muster any kind of argument for or against the study. I just posted it for review.
I certainly am not in favor of what the big banks or Wall Street has done to the economy, and I've made that clear, but I'm not going to tear it apart, piece by piece to defend it or support.
Like I said before: Send them a letter if you want an argument.
It is kind of funny that Oakland, of all places, would be the first one to see this kind of police-protester confrontation.
Listen Love--I am not exulthing in the injury to this young man--all I am saying is he chose to put himself in harms way--nothing more than that. Sad--shit happens.
Tell that to the five troopers I lost in viet nam--you are indeed an asshole and an unthinking one at that.
I certainly am not in favor of what the big banks or Wall Street has done to the economy, and I've made that clear, but I'm not going to tear it apart, piece by piece to defend it or support.
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Guess who bought the lions share of worthless derivatives as well as the lions share of all subprime loans that defaulted. Who created a market for those worthless financial instruments? Fannie/Freddie.
Chew on it for a while.
BTW Love: not sure of your geneder, but if I am a prick, you are a cunt.
Have a blessed day
The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
My question is this: Why doesn't someone possibly dying at a protest rally bother you
Because I haven’t a clue if this person “deserved” what happened to them? Are you saying that IF he was raping a womon, after having killed and eaten a baby and the police intervened it would be a priori a bad thing, just because it happened at a protest rally?
And no you cited the study to “prove” that income inequality has grown, but now you’re backing off, because you are having your @$$ handed to you on procedural grounds….
"..Love said...
Coketown - To prove what "point?"
I didn't muster any kind of argument for or against the study. I just posted it for review.
I certainly am not in favor of what the big banks or Wall Street has done to the economy, and I've made that clear, but I'm not going to tear it apart, piece by piece to defend it or support."
Why are your concerned now? Where were you in 2008?
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Now I have to go and ask, “Would you like fries with that?” Good Luck.
I am praying for the Iraq vet. It is sad and tragic what happened. But this should be a lesson for those defending the Occupy movement: A mob or occupation is not more than the sum of its parts. "The Occupation" didn't attempt to re-occupy a plaza that had been cleared by police; the occupiers did. Police response does not affect "The Occupation," as though it's some amorphous blob hovering in mid-air; it affects individual people.
The occupiers decided to re-occupy the plaza and then bombard the police with projectiles, paint cans, and chemicals. The police responded, and by pure chance that response landed on the Iraq vet's face.
I hope in future that the Occupy movement realizes that it's "horizontal order" scheme is just mob rule in slow motion. They can't control it enough to decide how much to spend on toilet paper, and they can't control it enough to keep an Iraq vet from landing in intensive car.
SPImmortal - SO now it wasn't really a "protest?"
Are you daft?
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so there is no possible way the government can ever do any wrong. Always trust the government!
It's you, these protesters and other lefites who want the government to take over and control more stuff. Want to rethink that?
Why are your concerned now? Where were you in 2008?
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Love certainly wasn't concerned in 2009 when Obama/Democrats pushed through Tarp II.
It creates to much congnitive dissonance and doesn't fit the narrative.
Life is always easy when there are no consequences to ones actions. Alas, that really isnt life.
"Peano said...
Hard for the protesters to look good from any perspective. They were told to disperse. They didn't. What are cops supposed to do? Walk away and let the hippies do whatever they please?"
Nope. If the teargas and pepper spray doesn't work, then time to thump some skulls.
Love, media framing isn't interesting to me, reality is.
They had been evicted from their place of "protest" because they were a bunch of violent caveman pants shitters. They had no legal right to be there, no legal permit.
They were at that time a mob but any measure of the word.
Coketown - To prove what "point?"
I didn't muster any kind of argument for or against the study. I just posted it for review.
Ha! Give me a fucking break. The study makes a point about income distribution in this country and how it's allegedly benefiting the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 20%. You posted it to make that point. You even spent a lot of time defending its point--and your point--from other commenters. And now you realize the study is total bullshit and you're backtracking.
Who posts comments without making a point? Any recipes you want to post while you're at it? Maybe clip some articles from Wikipedia on Colombian tree frogs? So long as you're in the spirit of non-sequitur, in which Senate studies that are, by your admission, incongruous to the discussion can be thrown in at random, why not?
Idiot.
Joe - The study speaks for itself.
As for getting my ass handed to me, by who?
All you and other do is refute anything you disagree with.
SPImmortal just tried to tell me that it isn't even a "protest."
Roger thinks it's hilarious that a kid who just got back from Iraq got hit with a projectile.
And you apparently agree...because he just shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Like those who took part in the race riots or the Vietnam protest, etc...got what they deserved if injured or even killed.
I find that kind of attitude to be rather disgusting.
Love - if they come back to the protest site, those dirty hippies can expect more broken bones. I'm gonna get some popcorn ready and enjoy the spectacle!
Coketown - The study speaks for itself.
If you have facts or statistics to counter its conclusions, post them.
Otherwise you're just regurgitating the same conservative crap I can get from Limbaugh, Beck and others.
Umm Love: please cite where I said "hilarious."
SPImmortal just tried to tell me that it isn't even a "protest."
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The law agrees that it's not a protest. That's why they were thrown out.
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Roger thinks it's hilarious that a kid who just got back from Iraq got hit with a projectile.
And you apparently agree...because he just shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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That's right, you shouldn't be in mobs. That makes you a violent criminal and you could get harmed that way.
And you apparently agree...because he just shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Like those who took part in the race riots or the Vietnam protest, etc...got what they deserved if injured or even killed.
It's all fun and games until someone puts out an eye....
If you want to play at being a revolutionary and make demands and threats of violence, don't be so surprised when it happens.
These so called protesters, many of whom are just scum, con artists and criminals, can't play the game and then whine when there is a score.
Babies.
Alex - I'll say this once: I think I told you last week that you don't have the intelligence to waste my time countering or debating.
And I still feel the same way today.
Don't bother responding.
So you can assure me the Iraqi vet, and Wisconsin native, that's in critical condition with a cracked skull, is guilty of the things you cited? Really?
Iraqi vet? Sorry, but with the rash of Leftists caught posing as veterans, you'll have to prove he's an Iraqi vet.
Bunny - "These so called protesters, many of whom are just scum, con artists and criminals, can't play the game and then whine when there is a score."
What could you possibly be basing such a ridiculous statement on?
Fox News? Glenn Beck?
Provide any objective, factual link to support anything of the kind.
Love said
"...I find that kind of attitude to be rather disgusting.
Any outrage over the deaths caused by Operation Fast and Furious?
Fuming at Bush's fist 350 billion dollar blunder but unmoved by Obama's trillion dollar follow-up.
Stricken by the fate of a street protester today but callused by the deaths caused by the Fast and Furious?
I's say we have a case of selective outrage.
So you can assure me the Iraqi vet, and Wisconsin native, that's in critical condition with a cracked skull, is guilty of the things you cited? Really?
Iraqi vet? Sorry, but with the rash of Leftists caught posing as veterans, you'll have to prove he's an Iraqi vet.
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Exactly. It's pretty common for bums (most OWS protesters) to claim to be war veterans. He's young so he tell's people he spent time in Iraqi. Maybe true, probably not.
So a vet should not have to abuse by the law Love? That seems to be your argument. Decisions have ramifications.
Coketown - The study speaks for itself.
A sad admission. You can't defend it, so "the study speaks for itself."
If I draft a study contradicting it, I'll be sure to pass it along to Max Baucus.
So, what percentage of TARP 2 funds are still outstanding, if all but 19 billion of TARP 1 has been repaid?
I'm not asking a rhetorical question with some hidden agenda. If anyone knows the number I'd like to hear it.
Um Love: your cite for where I said "hilarious?"
And yet another fool enters the fray.
Fen -"Iraqi vet? Sorry, but with the rash of Leftists caught posing as veterans, you'll have to prove he's an Iraqi vet.
Really? This is your argument...that the kid may be lying about being a vet?
"According to Shannon, Olsen had been attending Occupy San Francisco events and had answered the call to join Occupy Oakland in solidarity."
"He doesn't agree with the way the banks aren't regulated, the way they drove the economy in the ground. He wants there to be regulation of the banks," Shannon said.
Dottie Guy, a veteran of the Iraq War and a friend of Olsen, found out about her friend's injury through Twitter and Facebook. She has maintained an overnight vigil at the hospital. "He always had a smile on his face," she said. "He's really into the movement."
Love - I couldn't care less! OWS suffering is my joy! Every broken bone they receive, I feel radiance and pleasure.
Bunny - "These so called protesters, many of whom are just scum, con artists and criminals, can't play the game and then whine when there is a score."
What could you possibly be basing such a ridiculous statement on?
From the protestors themselves who have reported rapes and theft to the police and media.
Bunny - "These so called protesters, many of whom are just scum, con artists and criminals, can't play the game and then whine when there is a score."
What could you possibly be basing such a ridiculous statement on?
Fox News? Glenn Beck?
Provide any objective, factual link to support anything of the kind.
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underage girl raped:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/
theivery:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1b8RhMN5C
spitting on soldiers:
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/occupy-boston-protesters-spit-on-coast-guard-member-20111013
Nice friends you got there shithead.
And yet another fool enters the fray.
Fen -"Iraqi vet? Sorry, but with the rash of Leftists caught posing as veterans, you'll have to prove he's an Iraqi vet.
Really? This is your argument...that the kid may be lying about being a vet?
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Yes, that is our arguement. You are very astute.
Roger J. - "Damn, Love--I do hope the projectile survived the encounter."
Hilarious.
You have quite the sense of humor.
Fen -"Iraqi vet? Sorry, but with the rash of Leftists caught posing as veterans, you'll have to prove he's an Iraqi vet."
Really? This is your argument...that the kid may be lying about being a vet?
Yep. Maybe he is, but based on the number of Leftist protesters falsely claiming to be military, the burden is on him to prove it.
lying about being a vet?
See? Even you are backing away from it, calling him a "vet" instead of an "Iraqi vet".
SPImmortal - Are you saying that you think he's lying about being an Iraqi War vet?
Love: still waiting for the citation where I called the ijuries hilarious
Bueller? Love?
the reality you hear in your head is really not real--lay off the 420
*whoosh*
Roger J. - "Damn, Love--I do hope the projectile survived the encounter."
Hilarious.
You have quite the sense of humor.
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lol oh shit the "I'm cornered so let's rehash some 'objectionable' comment from half an hour ago" maneuver.
I posted some links above about what your OWS friends have been up too. Kiddie rape, theft, spitting on soldiers, great stuff.
Damn Blogger. Sorry if this eventually posts twice...
So you can assure me the Iraqi vet, and Wisconsin native, that's in critical condition with a cracked skull, is guilty of the things you cited?
No, I'm pretty sure he isn't. Why? Because his roommate says Olsen left his apartment and went down on Tuesday evening specifically to confront the cops. Mission accomplished.
Now he'll get his 15 minutes of fame. I sincerely hope he recovers fully to enjoy it...and maybe to finally internalize his Marine Corps training about using cover!
SPImmortal - Are you saying that you think he's lying about being an Iraqi War vet?
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I'm saying it's a pretty good posibility.
Google "stolen valor". It's full of accounts of leftist activists that lied about their service.
Bunny - "These so called protesters, many of whom are just scum, con artists and criminals, can't play the game and then whine when there is a score."
What could you possibly be basing such a ridiculous statement on?
"From the protestors themselves who have reported rapes and theft to the police and media"
Pretty much that ^
And from my experience with such things as protests. There may be a core group of true believers, but they attract the criminal elements to prey upon their gullible little ideologically warped minds.
Dope dealers, con artists, thieves, rapists, people with a purely violent agenda. You think Charles Manson was an accident?
Peace, love and dope y'all.
Yep. Maybe he is, but based on the number of Leftist protesters falsely claiming to be military, the burden is on him to prove it.
That short respite away from Althouse did little to improve your incredible level of sheer idiocy.
SPimmortal--actually I do have some sense of humor--have a wonderful command of boudreau and thibidoux jokes along with sven and oly jokes.
My take on the american left, is that they are totally bereft of a sense of humor. but thats just my take.
Yep. Maybe he is, but based on the number of Leftist protesters falsely claiming to be military, the burden is on him to prove it.
That short respite away from Althouse did little to improve your incredible level of sheer idiocy.
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Tell us about the conspiracy against Anthony Weiner, dumbfuck.
lulz
Joe - The study speaks for itself.
Ah, but you didn't post the study. You posted a tiny selection of data from the study. YOU were speaking for the study. In fact, YOU were lying about what the study says. And you don't even have the most basic integrity to admit you made a mistake. You are a proven coward, and a liar. If you actually do have anything worthwhile to say, nobody will know it because you have blown your credibility. You have no honor, and no decency. You are simply a terrible person.
Hey Garage & Love - is this him?
Veteran For Peace member, Scott Olsen, a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq, is in hospital now in stable but serious condition with a fractured skull, struck by a police projectile fired into a crowd in downtown Oakland, California in the early morning hours of today. Other people were injured in the assault and many were arrested after Oakland police in riot gear were ordered to evict people encamped in the ongoing "Occupy Oakland" movement. Olsen is also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
I absolutely do NOT believe that the Iraq vet now in the hospital faked his service record.
His mother and roommate have both verified his service. They even named his brigade so it would be very easy to verify this independently.
He seems to be your garden variety bitter leftist: joined the Marines in 2005, became disillusioned with the reality of war, then came home to America and became a professional protester. He's part of Veterans Against the War, spent a lot of time in New York, was originally at the Occupy San Fransisco camp before moving to Occupy Oakland for a little while.
Love: and this bit of bio is important why? should we be concerned because he was in a protest and got whacked?
Perhaps he should have been wearing an orange vest that said I am a vet?
Come on Love--you really cant be that stupid
Bunny - "And from my experience with such things as protests. There may be a core group of true believers, but they attract the criminal elements to prey upon their gullible little ideologically warped minds. Dope dealers, con artists, thieves, rapists, people with a purely violent agenda. You think Charles Manson was an accident?"
Good grief...now we've got Charles Manson woven into the fabric of "leftist" protesters.
And I love this part: "And from my experience with such things as protests..."
As if you have any experience protesting anything other than your order of fries being to small at the local Mac.
What a hoot.
Or maybe this guy? Is that him?
And speaking of veterans for peace--anybody remember code pink? cindy sheehan? and where were these folks when we whacked Quaddfy, surged in afghanistan, and put troops in Uganda?
Bueller? Love? anyone?
Roger - I realize you feel embarrassed by your crude remark, but trying to smooth things over with silly "Perhaps he should have been wearing an orange vest" comments is infantile at best.
Why not just apologize for making a fool of yourself and hope for the kid to not be seriously injured?
It's not like he was robbing a bank or assaulting anyone.
Veteran For Peace member, Scott Olsen, a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq, is in hospital now in stable but serious condition with a fractured skull, struck by a police projectile fired into a crowd in downtown Oakland, California in the early morning hours of today. Other people were injured in the assault and many were arrested after Oakland police in riot gear were ordered to evict people encamped in the ongoing "Occupy Oakland" movement. Olsen is also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
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I dont' think you get it. News reports always refer to self proclaimed veterans as veterans. Nothing unusual about that. Interviews and stories about, say, the leftist activist Micah Wright always tagged him as a "special forces veteran" until he was unmasked.
I hear you Coketown, but its not uncommon for posers to fake out their families too:
"In other phony soldier news, last night, the daughter of our fake general came by and somehow turned around her father’s fakery into something that I did."
Like this guy.
"...He's part of Veterans Against the War, spent a lot of time in New York, was originally at the Occupy San Fransisco camp.."
Believe it or not Vets Agains tthe War has money for 'internships' for these kind of guys.
Fen - Are you actually trying to denigrate this kid's service by implying that he's not really a vet?
C'mon...
Why not just apologize for making a fool of yourself and hope for the kid to not be seriously injured?
It's not like he was robbing a bank or assaulting anyone.
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Actually, he was in the process of assaulting someone. The mob wasn't there to shake hands with the cops.
Your whole gimmick is to play dumb and then demand "proof" for facts that are already at hand. Makes you look stupid.
Lars - "for these kind of guys"
What does that mean, Lars?
What "kind" of guy are your referring to?
The kind that do two tours in Iraq?
Fen - Are you actually trying to denigrate this kid's service by implying that he's not really a vet?
C'mon...
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Playing dumb again. Pitiful.
SPImmortal "Actually, he was in the process of assaulting someone. The mob wasn't there to shake hands with the cops."
I haven't read that anywhere.
Do you have a link?
Love: you are genuine fucking idiot--I am not at all embarassed by my remarks, and I really dont care what you think about them; your opinion is absolutely irrelevant--As I said, I dont give a damn whether he lives or dies--You put yourself in a bad situation and you live or die with consequences.
Do you have anymore empathetic kinds of analysis to offer?
And you still havent cited where I said his injury was hilarious.; Lets see if you can handle that simple task.
Anytime you have protests going on this long with folks camping out for long periods of time in the middle of a city you will attract some criminal elements. At the very least you may get some casual drug users. Afterall, most homeless people reside in the middle of the city and some of them may use drugs.
However, you cannot lump in everyone together and it does not delegitamize the message of the protesters. Most of whom are not petty criminals, drug dealers, etc.
The same can be said for any protest of any political position. Republicans and tea party and militia members are often aligned but that does not mean everyone who shows up a tea party protest is a member of a militia.
Common sense.
Now he'll get his 15 minutes of fame. I sincerely hope he recovers fully to enjoy it...and maybe to finally internalize his Marine Corps training about using cover!
I'll have to remember to laugh if you ever find yourself in a similar situation. Hahaha!
Pretty much confirms what everyone should already know about the right wing. They love the idea of an authoritarian police state. But not on them of course. Can you imagine something like this happening to teabaggers? There would be impeachment hearings on live TV next week.
Olsen's roommate, Keith Shannon, 24, told The Huffington Post that Olsen is still in the emergency room.
"Right now, he's under sedation," Shannon said. "He walked into the hospital." But soon after his arrival, Shannon said, doctors found that there was swelling in Olsen's brain and put him under. He did not get a chance to talk to his friend. "They are waiting for a neurosurgeon to examine him to see if he needs surgery or not," Shannon said. If he doesn't need an operation, he'll be moved to the intensive care unit.
"He doesn't agree with the way the banks aren't regulated, the way they drove the economy in the ground. He wants there to be regulation of the banks," Shannon said.
Shannon, 24, says his friend was simply one of the marchers. "He was just hit by a projectile," said Shannon, who did not attend the march but heard about the incident from eyewitnesses. "He wasn't near a police officer when it happened."
Love is stupid enough to believe that media counts as authority.
"But I read it in the NYTs!" she cried.
Here's yet another example of media not fact-checking the stories of posers before they publish.
Love: baby cakes: still waiting for the cite where I said the injury in question was hilarious
this goes to your credibility dear heart. If you got it, post it.
oh my bad, Love is relying on HuffPo.
Bwahahahhaha!
I'll have to remember to laugh if you ever find yourself in a similar situation. Hahaha!
Pretty much confirms what everyone should already know about the right wing. They love the idea of an authoritarian police state. But not on them of course. Can you imagine something like this happening to teabaggers? There would be impeachment hearings on live TV next week.
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*goes to OWS*
*shits in public*
*rapes a little kid*
I'll ask you again, do you really want to associate with these violent losers, garage?
I hope not. Wouldn't say good things about you.
I hear you Coketown, but its not uncommon for posers to fake out their families too:
Oh I know that. The Left has an extensive and pathetic history of propping up fake vets at their rallies.
But Olsen's injury was a freak occurrence and I don't think the Occupy Oakland organizers would have had time to give Olsen a fake history before the alt-media took up the story. After all, he's been unconscious since the incident, and before getting creamed he was just another nobody in the crowd.
Roger - I've read enough of your comments to understand exactly what you were trying to accomplish.
For whatever bizarre reason, you, being a military vet yourself, thought it funny or cute or even hilarious, to say you hoped the projectile wasn't hurt or damaged.
After reading about a two tour Iraqi War vet being hit in the head.
Why would you think that was something to make light of?
Hey Fen--good to see you back, man--whats going on with you
It's obvious that if President Obama really cared, he's have his AG start an investigation of the Oakland PD. Olsen is a latter-day Cripus Attucks.
As if you have any experience protesting anything other than your order of fries being to small at the local Mac.
1.) We don't have a local McDonalds, Starbucks, Taco Bell or in fact ANY fast food place within 60 miles. Thankfully.
2.) You have no idea what I've done in my life or where I have been or with whom.
But, go ahead, keep on posting from your mommy's basement. Playing at grown up games and then whining when you get hurt.
Fen - The account is posted on plenty of news service sites.
You should try reading more before posting.
And why aren't you ashamed of denigrating this kid?
Bunny - Your comments tell me plenty.
You don't sound like a very nice or happy person.
Love: Why would you think that was something to make light of?
Love, dear. If your cause is just, why do you need to prop it up with a "Marine" ?
Love--sweetie pie--dont lecture me.
You were offended by comments? fine--not my problem, your problem.
I think the guy was an idiot irrespective of his war time service. Put himself in a bad position and paid the price. Sorry about that
Now you, missy, tell me where I said his injury was "hilarious"
Cant do it can you--made it up
Actually most of them can't read well enough to even know what's going on or how to get there.
Lalala typical leftist anti southern drivel.
How big is your trailer, Shanna? Does it have a T-V?
My tv is actually broken right now, sadly. I’m trying to decide when would be the best time to buy (and if smart tv’s are worth the extra cash). Decisions Decisions!
Right down the street from yr Sac trailer park, whitey.
Trailer park obsessed today, aren’t we guys? I think it’s actually hilarious that you show your solidarity for a movement ostensibly for the benefit of the poor and downtrodden by…insulting the poor and downtrodden.
Go to Love's Blogger profile. Her interests incllude one thing: Making people feel good.
I feel awesome. Thanks, Love!
Love: Fen - The account is posted on plenty of news service sites.
And I've already explained to you that MSM does not count as DD214.
FOIA the guys records and I'll believe it.
You don't sound like a very nice or happy person.
Actually, I'm a very nice and very happy person.
I just don't tolerate whiners and morons categories into which you qualify in spades.
And why aren't you ashamed of denigrating this kid?
Because they think any vet that isn't a self proclaimed hard right winger isn't a "real vet". Like draft dodging Rush Limbaugh's "fake soldiers" comment.
Anytime you have protests going on this long with folks camping out for long periods of time in the middle of a city you will attract some criminal elements. At the very least you may get some casual drug users. Afterall, most homeless people reside in the middle of the city and some of them may use drugs.
However, you cannot lump in everyone together and it does not delegitamize the message of the protesters. Most of whom are not petty criminals, drug dealers, etc.
The same can be said for any protest of any political position. Republicans and tea party and militia members are often aligned but that does not mean everyone who shows up a tea party protest is a member of a militia.
Common sense.
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scoreboard:
Tea Party -
rapes 0
assaults on police 0
assaults on passerby 0
arrests maybe handful
OWS -
rapes multiple rape apologist memos 1
assaults on police many
assaults on passerby many
arrests a shitload
Yeah great group that OWS
And why aren't you ashamed of denigrating this kid?
I haven't done so. I've said that, based on the pattern of Lefty protestors posing as veterans, the burden is on him to prove he's a Marine.
Its hardly my fault that you guys squandered all your credibility on John Kerry types.
Love,
"Like those who took part in the race riots"
You think it's OK to take part in riots?
garage: Because they think any vet that isn't a self proclaimed hard right winger isn't a "real vet".
Nope. Its because the Left has a history and pattern of using fakes to prop up there causes.
So I won't believe he's what he says he is until I see proof.
Garage, can you provide the context of Rush's comment? Because he was actually correct now...and referring to a Leftist who lied about military service.
Love: Fen - The account is posted on plenty of news service sites.
And I've already explained to you that MSM does not count as DD214.
FOIA the guys records and I'll believe it.
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Love knows that. His whole act is to play stupid and pretend that he doesn't understand what your saying.
Dust Bunny Queen is one of the happiest and nicest people in the Althouse comments section, Love. Get real!
Okay, Facebook says this is him.
Is that him, Love?
Because they think any vet that isn't a self proclaimed hard right winger isn't a "real vet".
"Nope. Its because the Left has a history and pattern of using fakes to prop up there causes."
Even if he is a 'real vet'....so what? Does that somehow make him a more special snowflake in the rioting and breaking of the laws?
He put himself in a situation where he could be harmed. Purposely put himself there as opposed to being deployed by the military. A military that he VOLUNTEERED to join; by the way.
If he was a 'real vet' you would think that he would have some sense of what is dangerous and take responsibility for his own actions.
Am I glad he was hurt. Of course not. However, if you want to play at revolutionary, you need to take the consequences of your own actions.
garage: Because they think any vet that isn't a self proclaimed hard right winger isn't a "real vet".
Nope. Its because the Left has a history and pattern of using fakes to prop up there causes.
So I won't believe he's what he says he is until I see proof.
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Exactly. It's not a matter of disbelieving absolutely. It's just a matter of "We've seen this movie too many times before."
Fen -"Love, dear. If your cause is just, why do you need to prop it up with a "Marine"
What does that even mean?
Look, I realize you and others here know you've stepped in it, denigrating an American soldier to further your means, but why not just back off and say you were going overboard?
Isn't that what an honest person would do?
Isn't that what an honest person would do?
What the hell would you - liar and a coward - know about what an honest person would do?
Hey Love, still waiting for you to explain why you need the Marines to bolster your cause.
Is is because you've lost all credibility here?
Fen -"Love, dear. If your cause is just, why do you need to prop it up with a "Marine"
What does that even mean?
Look, I realize you and others here know you've stepped in it, denigrating an American soldier to further your means, but why not just back off and say you were going overboard?
Isn't that what an honest person would do?
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You're really getting desperate with that whack ass Jedi mind trick. "You know you've stepped in it."
No, we demand a pretty high standard of proof for lefty activists claiming they are soldiers, since so many have turned out to be fakes.
If he is, then he is. Only time will tell.
Coketown "Dust Bunny Queen is one of the happiest and nicest people in the Althouse comments section, Love. Get real!"
You've met her?
I base my opinion on her harsh, crude and ridiculous comments.
Fen, is it possible for somebody to lose what they never had?
Love said...
Fen -"Love, dear. If your cause is just, why do you need to prop it up with a "Marine"
What does that even mean?
Look, I realize you and others here know you've stepped in it, denigrating an American soldier to further your means, but why not just back off and say you were going overboard?
Isn't that what an honest person would do?
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Speaking of honesty;-) You never did explain your delayed outrage to Bush's 2008 TARP program?
Have you been steaming and giving yourself an ulcer since GWB signed TARP I in 2008 or did someone have to 'explain' the unfairness of it all to you, say, within the last 6 months.
"Love, dear. If your cause is just, why do you need to prop it up with a "Marine"
What does that even mean?
It means Waving the Bloody Shirt .
If you had stayed awake in Junior High history class....assuming that they still teach anything like history....you would know what it means.
Love: What does that even mean?
I don't think I can dumb it down any further for you.
Sofa - I'm now a "liar and coward?"
You've just entered Alex territory for lack of intellect, and of course logic.
Just ignore me and I'll do the same.
Fen
Love is stupid enough to believe that media counts as authority.
Fen, I'm curious where you get your news facts? Or do you have the magic ability to teleport to all the places on the globe back and forth across space and time?
I'm guessing you get 'facts' from RUSH and FOX - two 'authorities' on news....
Coketown "Dust Bunny Queen is one of the happiest and nicest people in the Althouse comments section, Love. Get real!"
You've met her?
I base my opinion on her harsh, crude and ridiculous comments.
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Damn you are a huge crybaby pussy.
Damn you are a huge crybaby pussy
LOL....Love would never have made it in the good old usenet days.
Fen
Love is stupid enough to believe that media counts as authority.
Fen, I'm curious where you get your news facts? Or do you have the magic ability to teleport to all the places on the globe back and forth across space and time?
I'm guessing you get 'facts' from RUSH and FOX - two 'authorities' on news....
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There are facts that will verified by up to the mintue reporting and there are facts that will not be verified. The veteran status of some dude that just got injured in a riot is not something that will be verified.
Do leftists understand how things work at all?
Fen - I haven't read any news accounts relating to the protesters using Marines or any other military personnel to help their cause.
The only reason this individual's service came up was because he was evidently seriously wounded and identified as a vet.
You can certainly argue the political points, but why would you and others take the time to try to denigrate this kid?
It's embarrassing.
Scott Olsen, 24, an Iraq war veteran, remains sedated on a respirator, in stable but critical condition at Oakland’s Highland Hospital
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ
Damn you are a huge crybaby pussy
LOL....Love would never have made it in the good old usenet days.
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The whole passive agressive permanently agreived poster shuck and jive that Love puts on is hilarious.
Matt: Fen, I'm curious where you get your news facts? Or do you have the magic ability to teleport to all the places on the globe back and forth across space and time?
It doesn't require magic to know that media like NYTs and Wapo have been fooled by posers pretending to be military.
Thats my point - an MSM account is not proof of service, a DD214 is.
Matt said...
Fen
Love is stupid enough to believe that media counts as authority.
Fen, I'm curious where you get your news facts? Or do you have the magic ability to teleport to all the places on the globe back and forth across space and time?
I'm guessing you get 'facts' from RUSH and FOX - two 'authorities' on news....
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usually our 'vet' is one of the following:
1.) is not nor ever has been a vet
2.) got kicked out before completing basic
3.) just after getting order to deploy, discovers he's a pacifist
4.) if deployed he characterizes himself as CIB/CAR recipient when in reality he was stacking cigarettes in the PX.
5.) he's a 'John Kerry' combat hero.
past experience has lead us all to be very jaundiced in this respect
Scott Olsen, Veteran For Peace member,
This makes it even more likely he's a poser.
The only reason this individual's service came up was because he was evidently seriously wounded and identified as a vet.
You can certainly argue the political points, but why would you and others take the time to try to denigrate this kid?
It's embarrassing.
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The collection of deadbeats and criminals known as OWS have already proven themselves to be criminals and scumbags of the worst sort, and have earned the contempt of all decent citizens.
That includes this "kid", vet or no vet. They can go fuck themselves.
Sorry this guy got himself hurt but that's what can happen if you get involved in a mob scene.
Going to get ThisAintHell and Blackfive on this. If he's really a former Marine, they'll be able to find proof.
Scott Olsen, Veteran For Peace member,
This makes it even more likely he's a poser.
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It's a red flag, definitely.
Love:The only reason this individual's service came up was because he was evidently seriously wounded and identified as a vet.
No. The reason his service came up is because people like you want to tie the Marines into your cause, to lend it the credibility it lacks.
Fen
NYTs and Wapo have been fooled by posers pretending to be military.
Yes, but just because the NYT has been fooled in the past does not mean that they are fooled every single time. One could easily point out the number of times every media outlet has been wrong. That doesn't mean you throw out all media reporting. If you did then you would be living in the world of conspiracy theories because in your mind nothing would ever be considered true or factual. Unless maybe it fit your world view....
Read the post on income inequality. So what? I am a one percenter (this year,again, finally) and proud of it. I work like a beaver and have for years. I started out in the bottom 25%. Much prefer where i am now. I encourage all in percentage cohorts they dont like to keep trying. Envy is a killing sin, quite destructive actually. Dont succumb.
As to Oakland it is unfortunate the cops didnt let the occupiers consume themselves. It is impossible, of course, to have a corollary event with the teaparty since they would have a permit and would beat it when agreed and leave the place cleaner than when they got there.
Military service is public record and is readily available to anyone wanting to file a FOIA request. Each branch also offers a contact number and mailing address for those wanting to verify someone's claims of service.
I think Fen has it right, that the Occupy movement seized on this one vet because they're people who "want to tie the Marines into their cause, to lend it the credibility it lacks." If this had been a typical, dirty, unattractive, smelly, slothful, unkempt loser protester who got slammed in the face with a beanbag, nobody would give two shits. But it's a former Marine, so the movement is going to latch onto those coattails.
Just ignore me and I'll do the same.
Sorry, no. I will continue to point out your hackery, and your commitment to falsehood, if only for the benefit of others.
"Yes, but just because the NYT has been fooled in the past does not mean that they are fooled every single time. .."
As Ronaldus Magnus said, "Trust but verify."
Words to live by.......
NYTs and Wapo have been fooled by posers pretending to be military.
You link to Gateway Pundit for fucks sake. You would believe anything in print, true or false, if it said what you wanted it to say.
Meanwhile, Obama limits principal payments of student loans, lowers interest on the loans and then explicitly asks for student votes.
At least he's making it explicit.
Matt: Yes, but just because the NYT has been fooled in the past does not mean that they are fooled every single time.
Correct. The MSM has been fooled so many times by posers that they are not to be considered an accurate information broker.
But a FOIA request or DD214 is 100% accurate.
So I'll wait on the latter.
You link to Gateway Pundit for fucks sake. You would believe anything in print, true or false, if it said what you wanted it to say.
Yet you link to Media Matters, Politifact Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo, etc... you believe anything in left-wing print.
SPImmortal "There are facts that will verified by up to the mintue reporting and there are facts that will not be verified. The veteran status of some dude that just got injured in a riot is not something that will be verified."
Once again: What the hell are you trying to say?
Why would the status of the injured vet no be verified?
What does that mean?
Left winger calls for assassination of Sarah Palin
No it isn't funny.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine too.
he MSM has been fooled so many times by posers that they are not to be considered an accurate information broker.
Let's see them then. If it happens so frequently, you should be able to cite dozens of examples?
hey garbage - what proof do you have the guy is a vet? Or you just take your media masters' word for it?
Garage: You link to Gateway Pundit for fucks sake.
Time for another one of your meltdowns.
And, as regards Lefties posing as vets at a protest, I would still require the proof of a DD214 before I believed it. Regardless of who reported it.
If you're going to be angry about our scepticism, Garage, look in a mirror. Its because of people like you that the Left has zero credibility.
"David said...
Meanwhile, Obama limits principal payments of student loans, lowers interest on the loans and then explicitly asks for student votes.
At least he's making it explicit."
OWS is lucky they are in the special '99'% and not the 53% that will actually pick up the bill for this latest fiasco.
This reminds me of Nixon who ended the draft and that let out all of the air of the 'anti-war' protests.
Could forgiving student loans have the same effect on OWS..i say no way..OWS participants are driven by principle not principal.
Fen "No. The reason his service came up is because people like you want to tie the Marines into your cause, to lend it the credibility it lacks."
I didn't identify him, you twit.
He was identified, just as any other Iraqi War vet would be...as just that.
Do you or any of your cohorts here ever actually read newspapers? Do you understand that his being a vet is part of the story?
Stop denigrating someone who served just because they believe in something that you do not.
It makes you and others look ridiculous.
No one else here from the East Bay? The missing part of the "riot" equation is that Oakland has a teen "wilding" problem. For the past ten or so years packs of bored youths roam at night destroying property and attacking whatever moves for kicks.
That's why protests spin out of control at night in Oakland and the OPD steps in quickly at night before fire bombing and random storefront trashing begins.
It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life in Oakland and has little to nothing to do with #OWS or whatever cause protesters are espousing. Once the protestors occupied the square at night it was only a matter of time until all hell broke loose.
David "Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine too."
This is getting pretty creepy.
You're really beginning to scrape the bottom of the embarrassment barrel.
We should all settle down for a few minutes. Try whipping up a batch of these candied walnuts. They're reeeeeeally goooood. I used almonds and pecans along with walnuts, and by far the almonds turned out the best.
If you're going to be angry about our scepticism, Garage, look in a mirror. Its because of people like you that the Left has zero credibility.?
Actually you slithered away when I asked you about Gateway Pundit photoshopping a bullseye on a screen grab of a DK post. You never answered back. Is that the sort of credibility you're talking about? Or is it that you don't give a shit either way if it's true?
I'll waiting for your many examples of people posing as vets.
But I suspect you'll be slithering away again.
Garage: If it happens so frequently, you should be able to cite dozens of examples
Yes. Easily.
You can start here:
http://thisainthell.us/
Just keep scrolling thru "older entries" till you reach your "dozens of examples"
October 26, 2011
Official VFP Statement Regarding Occupy Incident in Oakland
Veteran For Peace member, Scott Olsen, a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq, is in hospital now in stable but serious condition with a fractured skull, struck by a police projectile fired into a crowd in downtown Oakland, California in the early morning hours of today. Other people were injured in the assault and many were arrested after Oakland police in riot gear were ordered to evict people encamped in the ongoing "Occupy Oakland" movement. Olsen is also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
Garage: Actually you slithered away when I asked you about Gateway Pundit photoshopping a bullseye on a screen grab of a DK post. You never answered back. Is that the sort of credibility you're talking about?
Yes. You have zero credibility with me. In the past, I wasted too much time following your links only to discover they didn't say what you claimed. So when you cry "wolf!" these days, I yawn and scroll down.
Again, if you're angry about that, look in a mirror.
When did this site become the 2nd coming of the Ace of Spades site?
Good grief, it used to be a relatively middle of the road, reasonable area of discussion.
Love dear, posting a Veteran For Peace article only makes it worse for you.
Good grief, it used to be a relatively middle of the road, reasonable area of discussion.
Oh shut the fuck up. "Middle of the road" does not mean "everyone should agree with me." There's nothing radical about disagreement, which is all people here have been doing. You just don't handle it well.
Love: Good grief, it used to be a relatively middle of the road, reasonable area of discussion.
What you would call "middle of the road", the rest of America would call "the parking lot to the left of Left Field".
And who are you to opine about "the way we were" ? I've only seen you in the last year.
Or are you just another one of the Althouse Leftists that donned another sockpuppet once they blew thru their credibility? Its hard to keep up with them here.
"Love said...
When did this site become the 2nd coming of the Ace of Spades site?
Good grief, it used to be a relatively middle of the road, reasonable area of discussion."
10/26/11 5:08 PM
Thank goodness that's over with...now tell me again why your irritation at GWB for signing TARP in 2008 didn't surface until 2011.
No one else here from the East Bay? The missing part of the "riot" equation is that Oakland has a teen "wilding" problem.
I grew up in the Bay Area and I know what Oakland is all about.
Early in the thread I said the police should tear gas the whole place.
If you have never been to Oakland...spare yourself and don't go.
Early in the thread I said the police should tear gas the whole place.
I still stand by my statement that DBQ is one of the nicest and happiest people in this comments section. But...good Lord, DBQ.
it's not impossible scumbags might pose as vets at OWS protests. many TP wingnuts pose as vets or cops as well--with a psychotic troll-stalker like Byro-love-Reve-mary,etc, it does both depending on the status of its bipolar disorder.
Either way,cops don't have the right to bust heads--even if the protesters are out of line. Any teabugs or A-tards who defend police brutality are no better than stalinist thugs and should have their snitch asses kicked.
I wasted too much time following your links only to discover they didn't say what you claimed.
I'm talking about your links to Gateway Pundit dipshit.
Here we go, let's try this again
I said...
The same Gateway Pundit that photoshopped a bullseye on a DKos diary and tried passing it off as real? Honest question: Do you guys really believe this kind of crap, like for real?
You said...
I know that I don't believe you. Link it.
So I did link it:
Link
The article included an image of Rep. Giffords and a bull’s eye, along with a list of politicians.
The only problem is that the original post did not include a photo of Giffords or the bull’s eye.
Then you slithered away, tail between your legs, just as I said you did.
Ah, one of our Libtards has lost it and gone for the "J"
A gaggle of sockpuppets
Early in the thread I said the police should tear gas the whole place.
"I still stand by my statement that DBQ is one of the nicest and happiest people in this comments section. But...good Lord, DBQ."
Thank you Coketown. Hyperbole=the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.
Seriously. Oakland is NOT a nice place and the police are dealing with some seriously bad actors there. When they are teamed up with the OWS dunderheads, the police are probably fighting for their (literally) lives at some of these protests. Oakland can be a war zone.
Fen
What you would call "middle of the road", the rest of America would call "the parking lot to the left of Left Field
I don't think anything I have read from Love would indicate she is far left. She seems more of a moderate actually.
I grew up in the Bay Area and I know what Oakland is all about.
Oakland Settles Lawsuit for $800,000 / One of biggest payouts in city history
In one of the largest payouts involving lawsuits against Oakland police in recent years, the city has agreed to pay $800,000 to the family and attorneys of Nathan Cosby, a 32-year-old janitor for the Oakland Unified School District, who was shot in the head by Oakland police Officer Eric Belker on Jan. 6, 1994.
Huh. Sounds familiar. Just a janitor though...
Garage: You said...
I know that I don't believe you. Link it.
Could you link it all one more time. I still don't know (or care) what you're talking about.
Maybe if you linked it a few more times, I might care enough to respond.
I mean, its not like you wasted my time with all your other links that turned out to be bogus.
Clearly, the solution is for you to link more. Please do so.
Man....I usually enjoy reading the comments, but not this thread. All I see is:
"I know you are, but what am I"
Hey Fen-tard..IM not a lib-rall but don't care for klanscum ,or tweekers.
And I got yr name listed as a suspect along with other terrorists here. YOu got that tweeker-puto?
Bust these fucks garag. They're not even GOP-clowns--more like posse comitatus (or..the klan)
@gargage
Police said as many as 10 people participated in the attack while 20 others watched -- jeering, taking photos and messaging friends to join them.
The sideshow went on until almost midnight, when police were called by a girl whose boyfriend had turned down the invitation to come have sex with "a drunk girl." Officers found the victim cowering under a bench, half-naked, intoxicated and semiconscious.
The girl was hospitalized for four days.
Man....I usually enjoy reading the comments, but not this thread. All I see is:
"I know you are, but what am I"
Did you miss my candied walnut recipe link? It was meant to diffuse the tension in the thread. I'm quite the little diplomat!
Could you link it all one more time. I still don't know (or care) what you're talking about.
I just did, Einstein. Click on the blue letters that say "Link".
Actually just skip it. I'm more interested in all the confirmed stories of people "posing" as vets. I'll wait for you.
Hey, Professor!
How about a "Chelsea Clinton running for Congress in NY-18" post!
Talk about your 1% elites.
Occupy Everytown
The Iraq war veteran who was hospitalized is named Scott Olsen. Because some here have a warped view of the world they would rather not believe that anyone from the military except a criminal would be part of OWS. But they forget that soldiers who fight and die do so for all Americans not just right wing conservative Americans.
BTW Scott Olsen's mother - Sandy Olsen of Onalaska, Wisconsin - said her son joined the military out of high school in 2005...
Is his mother lying about his military service? Surely none of you have an issue with mothers from Wisconsin?
Damn, people, that is one well-fed troll!
Yr such a a hero Garag. Hardly different than the tweeker-psycho-rightists here. OR tweeking too? You should know by now---just because somebody's "on yr side" doesnt make everything they do right (like tossing bottles at cops--a mistake). Alameda's not...a nice NY park.
Damn,yr the troll here Byro-Clyde-Love fag, wit 50+ names. Yr careers over-- yr business over, Byro boy.Back to Brawleys, stoner-theatre-molester trash.
You should know by now---just because somebody's "on yr side" doesnt make everything they do right (like tossing bottles at cops--a mistake). Alameda's not...a nice NY park.
I didn't say they were completely "right", whatever that means. And I'm sure they all weren't angels. Only if the response was appropriate or justified. If you give these fuckers that leeway on people you don't like, you give them the leeway to do it to you.
the thing that kills me about the left is that they don't really give a ---- about veterans, except when they can be used as some kind of prop for their cause - they see veterans as just another potential grievance group.
"He doesn't agree with the way the banks aren't regulated, the way they drove the economy in the ground. He wants there to be regulation of the banks," some political activist said that some other political activist said.
Still it is interesting to see the story picked up at the end but spoken about as if it is the beginning and end. I've noticed it before, but now I am convinced the problem of understanding cause and effect is pervasive.
The causes here are resolutely misidentified.
This reminds me. Have you noticed how heavily the Wikipedia page on Community Reinvestment Act is edited since home financing collapsed? You can read the history of edits but most of them don't make sense to an outsider. It reads as a completely different article. I noticed right off in the introduction something I do not recall from before, a mention of "redlining" with a link to another Wikipedia page. It was actually a usefully informative page. At length by the end of it, the CRI is exonerated.
Some economists, politicians and other commentators have charged that the CRA contributed in part to the 2008 financial crisis by encouraging banks to make unsafe loans. However, every empirical study that has looked at CRA loans has concluded that they were safer than subprime mortgages that were purely profit driven, and CRA loans accounted for a tiny fraction of total subprime mortgages.
The section goes on, completely different than before.
My favorite part is where all the banks together suddenly started making high-risk low-interest loans without collateral because everybody knows that banks, the last bastion of cautious conservatism, willingly took on unreasonable risk then nefariously repackaged it without any coercive interference from government or any regulation whatsoever.
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Psyche!
I mean, he's a sainted Iraq War vet only because he was injured at an OWS rally - if this had happened at a TP, they'd be on about how the military inculcates nazism in its ranks.
Could you link it all one more time. I still don't know (or care) what you're talking about.
I just did, Einstein. Click on the blue letters that say "Link".
Actually just skip it. I'm more interested in all the confirmed stories of people "posing" as vets. I'll wait for you.
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Micah Wright, leftist activist and fake Army Ranger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Wright
Jesse MacBeth, antiwar protestor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_MacBeth
Start with those two and then google stolen valor if you need more.
Where is the video of the water cannons, the police dogs chew arms and legs and the police busting skulls with their batons? We want our money's worth of entertainment. I see a 49 out of 57 state landslide! Yipee!
More fun from the human turds at OWS:
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Three young punks threatened to kill a 24-year-old Occupy Wall Street protester for pressing charges over an assault at the group's Zuccotti Park encampment, police said.
"You got our friend arrested. We're gonna kill you! Watch your back!" the trio warned the young woman on Monday - two days after her complaint led to the arrest of Garfield Leslie, police said Tuesday.
Leslie, 19, of Brooklyn, had offered to sell the woman drugs at the downtown sit-in, police said.
When she declined that offer and his romantic advances, he punched her in the face and then dished out more blows to a friend who had come to her defense, police said.
After clocking the friend, police said, Leslie then punched the man's girlfriend for good measure.
Actually Byro-sofa king-Love- Mary- Immortal, "Retired Prosecutor" et -al--theatre queer, and DU-Digby reg--lets say we get yr email, your chats and comments-- and even yr phony vet schtick here on Crackhouse.--and pin the de-frauding the Fed govt. case and other bunko charges on you, macho man (lies/misrep. re CPA, degrees, etc).In fact already in the works, perp.
Because some here have a warped view of the world they would rather not believe that anyone from the military except a criminal would be part of OWS. But they forget that soldiers who fight and die do so for all Americans not just right wing conservative Americans.
Wait... if he died defending Americans, how'd he end up at the Occupy Wall Street protest? Is this like a Weekend at Bernie's thing or what?
note this scumbag cubanbob's posts Garag--not just the ordinary hick--more like some David Duke-like extreme nutjob. Yr going down c-bob, perp-filth
Is this like a Weekend at Bernie's thing or what?
that's one way to get veterans to attend your stinking hippie protest
He certainly could be a veteran, and some small amount of crowd-sourced investigatory reporting will determine that quickly enough.
But there's a reason for skepticism which goes way beyond the notion of a marine at #OWS -- marines are trained to understand the need for field sanitation, and any combat experience in Afghanistan or Iraq would have reinforced that understanding. From everything I can discover, a real marine -- and we're talking ordinary combat veteran here, not necessarily someone who's totally strack -- would not have tolerated spending time in such squalid conditions.
So I'm skeptical. But the truth will come out, one way or another. Speculation at this point is only just that.
Oh, and did no one teach these 60's - era protester wannabes that dissing cops is a good way to get hurt? It is not in the interests of police officers to encourage anyone to think that their directives ought to be ignored.
Did the Oakland police use more force than necessary? I wasn't there, so have no basis to judge.
Same goes for the rest of you.
Hippie-punching never looks bad!
Now Byro the dyslexic sockpuppet chanting to itself--the Moe Howard ofAhouse. Davis Enterprise staff laughing their collective ass off too. Look it's..A***e's special ed goon B***n B*****y, mumbling away again
Veterans for Peace virtually guaranteed to get laid in Berkley. Not sure about Oakland which, like Madison, is a police state fascist repressive hegemony in the business of supressing free speech and, of course, busting unions.
@"J", you should definitely think about it before typing something that could be construed as a threat. For one thing, if "cubanbob" does get jumped by person or persons unknown, you've just become a suspect. And, trust me on this, there are ways to get your IP.
Also, you might consider that some of us really have fought for our lives before, and while none of us are eager to repeat the exercise, neither does the notion of defending ourselves physically strike terror in our hearts.
note this scumbag cubanbob's posts Garag
Yah, he/her is a raging little fascist [and racist] regular troll here. His/her post about crushing hippies was like gang sign language, announcing to other regs that he/her is "one of them".
Matt "Is his mother lying about his military service? Surely none of you have an issue with mothers from Wisconsin?"
I'm afraid Fen, Roger, Alex, SPImmortal, Sofa and of course, Bunny...have a real problem believing anything that isn't sitting in their living room or that they heard from Limbaugh, Beck or others of that ilk.
Instead of discussing, debating or arguing about the merits of the protests, they would rather denigrate a soldier who fought for their right to post such garbage, and the others who are exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
Fen is convinced the man is lying, Roger thinks it's cute to say that he hopes the projectile that hit him is okay, Bunny throws Charles Manson into the potential protester mix (say what?), and the rest of them just plain hate anything and anybody who disagrees.
Once again: It's embarrassing.
I find it interesting that much that is being posted here today, by the rabid anti-protester group, is almost identical to what was said about the Vietnam protesters.
And we ALL know who was proven to be right about that fiasco.
Why so many here side with the big banks and Wall Street is strange indeed.
So I'm skeptical.
You're skeptical of the Mother who confirmed her son was a Marine? Who did two tours. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Love. You are aware, are you not, that the city of Oakland, its administration and its police force are liberal(s)? Why would lefty cops shoot a Marine in the face with a beanbag, thaT is the question that ought to be asked. Why would the Democrat mayor of Atlanta act like Bull Conner and arrest the peaceful drummers? Why are lefties against the peaceful drummers?
They maced protestors at UNM... last night? The police removed them because their permit said day hours and no drugs or alcohol. One lady died (killed herself) of alcohol poisoning and I heard someone got stabbed and also that they arrested 60 prostitutes across the street at McDonalds.
Some of that might be hear-say.
Oh, and (this is only second hand) the campus paper tried to interview them about their cause but the interview was refused because it was time for a bongo-drum and incense circle.
No burned cars though.
But the university president won't give them a new permit and the police arrested a whole bunch of people and it "looks bad"...
... and you have to wonder if that isn't the point. Behave badly enough that the State cracks down on you so that the State looks bad. For what it's worth, though, of a class of 30ish, only two people were willing to say that they should be given a permit again or that the arrests were wrong. I think that most everyone couldn't figure out what was so difficult about following a few simple rules.
Also the "Don't club baby seals" sign got a lot of scorn. Hard to take anyone seriously when they won't give an interview to get their message out because bongo drums take priority and can't keep the message focused.
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