"What appear to be more than 1,000 pro-union protesters from around the Washington region have converged on 601 13th St. NW, trapping inside their arch-enemy du jour, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. An employee on the scene said that the crowd numbered about 2,000 people, and they'd taken over the building's lobby."
You can say it again, but pensions are are paid for by the workers. None of it is paid by taxpayers.
Gheez. All of it comes from taxpayer money except in a few special cases where fees and fines provide income for the salaries, pensions, etc.
Try to understand this: If a teacher's salary works out to $1,000 per week. According to the figures Jay provided, each week the taxpayers would pay an additional $130 towards the that teacher's pension plan.
If the teacher payed 6.2% towards her pension out of her own $1,000 salary, that would save the taxpayers $62 per week or $3,224 per year. Add that up for every teacher in Wisconsin and you get a pretty big number.
I understand why the teachers are upset. It's no fun bringing home less money. But, we're tapped out.
Where I work we have a built in system that flexes according to our profitability. As an employee owned company, we get a distribution of profits based on company profit AND our personal performance. Some years that's equaled about 20% of our annual gross salary. Other years a lot less and some people lost their jobs due to the bad economy a year and a half ago and also a few months after 9-11 we had layoffs.
Frankly, I consider myself luckier than hell to have my job and work where I do. My retirement plan primarily consists of stock in the company which I am given some every year based on my longevity and salary level.
I pay approx half of my family health insurance which is an average plan.
As you can see, I have a tremendous incentive to work hard and perform at as a high a level as possible to keep my job and do my share to maximize company success and profits.
When public employee union members, who have incredible job security and only need to perform well enough to avoid showing total incompetence, start whining and acting out like the protesters in Madison about giving up some of their security and paying a little more out of their own pocket, I have minimal sympathy.
I've asked this time and again with no answer but are liberals arguing that public employees need unions because the State (the employer) will treat them poorly and pay them third world wages?
I've asked this time and again with no answer but are liberals arguing that public employees need unions because the State (the employer) will treat them poorly and pay them third world wages?
3/16/11 8:00 PM
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I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
Shiloh, not a non sequitur to me, not at all. As far as the making money/asking for buys is concerned, I know that I love to make me some money! And if this blog were mine, and if offered, I'd be sorely tempted. It changes things a bit, it does. But I think it's ok and we can all take it in stride. It's who she is, there's a match (I think) so it's not that jarring.
I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
Civil service rules are what prevents that. You might notice that even in non-union states, the teachers don't all get canned every 4 years.
I like that quote about the squirrel could "go ballistic".
Mary
Thanks for that info. As I understand it the Wall Street Journal says that getting out of the WEA Trust insurance deal and folding them into the same insurance program as all other state workers would save WI $68 million. I think that's annually.
I wish I could find that article but I think it's pay walled now.
i think that first column is savings realized if the teachers pay that 12% toward their premiums, as required in the bill. Savings from buying insurance elsewhere is entirely different.
"And if this blog were mine, and if offered, I'd be sorely tempted."
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better.
3/16/11 9:03 PM
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When I said I'd be sorely tempted, I meant that like Althouse, I'd probably take the Amazon thing.
Yeah, she could do a column, but something tells me she likes the video format a lot, and won't abandon that easily. Maybe some vid on NYT. The Post is moving toward much more video (a mistake IMO) so maybe the NYT will too.
I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
Doesn't sound realistic to me. Firing entire teaching staff of school districts during administration changes?
Civil service rules are what prevents that. You might notice that even in non-union states, the teachers don't all get canned every 4 years.
Not to mention the obvious inefficiency of having to hire and orient thousands of brand new teachers each year. Granted, its the government we're talking about but I still throw the bs flag on that.
Granted there was a time being a 'public employee' was a low pay occupation (hence the term; 'good enough for government work') although considering the fact that nearly every state is looking at billions in pension and benefit shortfalls illustrates that the pendulum has swung in the other direction.
Again, saw a link where the average Wisconsin public school teacher has a total compensation package of a hair over $100K. That's nothing to sneeze at.
In Indiana the average starting salary for a K-12 teacher is $30K (not benefits). My first full time job out of college in 1990 had me making $19K and I didn't have summers off.
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better. ~~~~~
In essence, she is selling her name ie the name of this blog is Althouse.
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
Doubt the NYT's is interested in an elder, local ideologue, but CNN hired erickson so anything is possible ;) as there just aren't enough ad nauseam, keen grasp of the obvious, pundits to go around.
said little or nothing about cops and firefighters
I'd gladly go up against cops and firefighters. I did, and was subject to more in nine months in the field than than most of them would ever suffer in twenty years. Except for the dead ones of course. Otherwise, I call bullshit on twenty year retirement, what for? Why?
Hell I don't even live in WI just over interested.
Each locality has to decide on the WEA Trust insurance-Walker can't get that done at the state level?
Hell I saw somewhere- where in the Green Bay area the local dems were extending the contracts to nullify what Walker did get passed. Or something like that.
Ugh-as to union in your parking lot maybe they'll get bored with it soon enough.
Stick some orange construction type cones in the spaces ahead of time. I think you can get a reasonable looking orange cone at WalMart or stick garbage cans in there.
Union is usually to lazy to get out and move 'em -they'll go some where else.
"But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time."
Think of it like the game of Monopoly. Although, with Althouse, I think she's more into being known than making money. Kinda like when I play Scrabble with my sis; I'd rather be right a few times on definitions or spelling, than to win. Different strokes...
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
You don't even understand what the word "hypocrisy" means, do you?
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better. ~~~~~
In essence, she is selling her name ie the name of this blog is Althouse.
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
Doubt the NYT's is interested in an elder, local ideologue, but CNN hired erickson so anything is possible ;) as there just aren't enough ad nauseam, keen grasp of the obvious, pundits to go around.
I bet when you typed this, that your chest puffed up with the smug arrogance that being a leftard gave you, didn't it?
A good bit of Ann's work, including some video, IIRC, ends up on the Gray Lady, and she'll probably be in more venues after the last month's work, so she's in a good place, literarily speaking. She can do as much, or as little, as she likes.
What the Lefties can't stand, as I noted earlier, is that she's getting all that attention and they go unnoticed. They're supposed to be the ones getting offers to go on the news and live streams and all the rest, not some older woman who shoots down all their cherished nonsense.
Shiloh is an Althouse internet stalker. Most of his posts are inane jabs at Ann. He yearns for her to respond, but she never does and probably never will. I guess it gives his life some type of meaning.
Again, saw a link where the average Wisconsin public school teacher has a total compensation package of a hair over $100K. That's nothing to sneeze at.
I believe that's the average Milwaukee Public School Teacher, not the average for the state as a whole. Politifact had an article on it at some point.
I thought it was interesting that salaries were pretty flat the past couple years, but benefit costs really jumped -- to the tune of 30+% -- which I'm guessing has to be Health Care. If Milwaukee PSs are like Madison's, they have a pretty Rolls Royce-y plan.
I liked how the Faux News channel relied on a "blogger" who identified the parties in the video based on their "t-shirts" to provide "news." Oh, how our standards for actual news coverage have crashed and burned.
But no surprise that you, Anne, would seize your 5 minutes of frame with the beloved Right Wing Crowd. I'm sure your University is proud of you (the one that pays your salary, I mean).
First, the host lulls the guest into thinking everything's cool. Just the facts, please. It's all good, hey, we're a couple of girlfriends just chillin' and talkin'.
(Next, the setup) MK: Wisconsin mandates the teaching of labor history. AA: That's OK, it's American history.
(Finally, the bodyslam) MK: Including mandating slagging Reagan. AA: (eek!, she's got me, what do I do: own it, backpedal, or re-direct the question to something I want to talk about) AA: Well, I ... teaching propaganda isn't right, we should encourage critical thinking skills. AA: (whew, she almost had me, good thing I had already blogged about that)
In the bigs, there are no easy interviews. Questions are either a setup, or a bodyslam. The host is always prepared (she has a research staff). What counts is how the guest responds to the bodyslam, in both content and delivery. If the guest responds in an audience-pleasing way, expect some callbacks.
All sides heard what they wanted to hear from AA. But notice the craftiness, Wisconsin's educational standards remain unjudged. Well played, Althouse!
"I think they're teachers based on their shirts and what they said to me." Thanks for the laugh! Once again proving that people can rise to high places in a society and still be clueless. I'll leave it to you to guys whether I meant Althouse or the alleged teachers.
I can't believe I am coming so late to the commentary game, especially since I saw Ann's Fox News appearance live, as I dressed to go out.
I have read about 50 comments, and agree with Fred4Pres that you closed strong -- in fact, stronger than Megyn Kelly, who I adore. She is one tough Irish broad (HIGH praise).
As Ann settled into her role as interviewee, her points became more focused, and I got a true sense that she was concerned about the kids who are being shanghaied to prop up their teachers'/parents' political agendas -- not on their time off, but in consequence to their teachers' active dissimulation.
What Kelly struggled to emphasise, which is Ann's larger, more meaningful point, is that teachers do not just teach 1-2-3s and the odd bit about George Washington. They stand for integrity and for kids' welfare, not for the power of their union.
What good is it to have power, if you obtained it by lying, harranguing, and suborning?
Well done, Ann. We're seeing the first of many interviews on national TV, methinks.
How is it legal to video tape children everyday for 2 weeks then go on Fox news without a release from all the kids parents? I smell a lawsuit for the UW-Madison Law Professor?
How is it legal to video tape children everyday for 2 weeks then go on Fox news without a release from all the kids parents? I smell a lawsuit for the UW-Madison Law Professor
I'm guessing you won't find the video of my darlings singing "Solidarity Forever" while doing an art project at the kitchen table very charming then. In Madison each child will absorb $600 in budget cuts - when they ask us why they don't have music class any more, or why they have 40kids in their class, we'll be able to say, "remember those chants at the capitol...?"
Sorry Roxy but what a crock of bull that is. You guys claim its all about the kids, and what is the first things you cut when money is tight? Why of course, things that affect the kids. HEAVEN FORBID THE TEACHERS GIVE UP ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
"I'm guessing you won't find the video of my darlings singing "Solidarity Forever" while doing an art project at the kitchen table very charming then."
You're right, that would be really creepy.
"In Madison each child will absorb $600 in budget cuts"
Suck it up sweetheart, why take it out on the kids???
"..when they ask us why they don't have music class any more, or why they have 40 kids in their class, we'll be able to say, "remember those chants at the capitol...?"
Good God. You need to write theatrical drama, toots.
This is the Left-wing way. They know that rational adults could never accept their silly premises, so they attempt to indoctrinate the children. The whole "KONY" thing was aimed at kids on facebook, and it turns out that the"Invisible Children" organization is a sham, and a campaign for the re-election of the Usurper. It's basically a brainwashing video with lots of Red (communist) themes.
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I've told Ritmo he should write erh, type a book:
Power Typing: How to Defeat All Your Enemies.
OT: But really the same thing.
"What appear to be more than 1,000 pro-union protesters from around the Washington region have converged on 601 13th St. NW, trapping inside their arch-enemy du jour, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.
An employee on the scene said that the crowd numbered about 2,000 people, and they'd taken over the building's lobby."
The beat goes on..and on,and on.....
You can say it again, but pensions are are paid for by the workers. None of it is paid by taxpayers.
Gheez. All of it comes from taxpayer money except in a few special cases where fees and fines provide income for the salaries, pensions, etc.
Try to understand this: If a teacher's salary works out to $1,000 per week. According to the figures Jay provided, each week the taxpayers would pay an additional $130 towards the that teacher's pension plan.
If the teacher payed 6.2% towards her pension out of her own $1,000 salary, that would save the taxpayers $62 per week or $3,224 per year. Add that up for every teacher in Wisconsin and you get a pretty big number.
I understand why the teachers are upset. It's no fun bringing home less money. But, we're tapped out.
Where I work we have a built in system that flexes according to our profitability. As an employee owned company, we get a distribution of profits based on company profit AND our personal performance. Some years that's equaled about 20% of our annual gross salary. Other years a lot less and some people lost their jobs due to the bad economy a year and a half ago and also a few months after 9-11 we had layoffs.
Frankly, I consider myself luckier than hell to have my job and work where I do. My retirement plan primarily consists of stock in the company which I am given some every year based on my longevity and salary level.
I pay approx half of my family health insurance which is an average plan.
As you can see, I have a tremendous incentive to work hard and perform at as a high a level as possible to keep my job and do my share to maximize company success and profits.
When public employee union members, who have incredible job security and only need to perform well enough to avoid showing total incompetence, start whining and acting out like the protesters in Madison about giving up some of their security and paying a little more out of their own pocket, I have minimal sympathy.
Welcome to the real world.
@madawaskan
No kidding, the guy types at what I would call a 'feverish' pitch...no?
Bear-Wolf? Pales in comparison to this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110316/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_squirrel_attack
I've asked this time and again with no answer but are liberals arguing that public employees need unions because the State (the employer) will treat them poorly and pay them third world wages?
Don't Tread 2012
I'm off to go follow your link-
but here's where we lose a lot of 'em-some of the trolls can't figure out how to post to the second page.
shiloh said...
This blog used to be more fun. I went back through a couple of postings from 2007. Ann was more varied in her interests, fun, daring, and yet
MELLOW
calm.
~~~~~
Well, it was probably difficult for her to be totally in the tank for the Rep party back then when cheney/bush were FUBAR'ing America.
solo estoy diciendo
AA is still mellow/calm in her ad nauseam self-righteous, sarcastic indignation of Obama/Dems.
btw, did she ask for $$$ in 2007? ;)
You are clearly a non-sequitor machine.
Hoosier Daddy said...
I've asked this time and again with no answer but are liberals arguing that public employees need unions because the State (the employer) will treat them poorly and pay them third world wages?
3/16/11 8:00 PM
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I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
@madawaskan
Watch out for those killer squirrels ;-)
"but here's where we lose a lot of 'em-some of the trolls can't figure out how to post to the second page."
Even a blind squirrel...
Shiloh, not a non sequitur to me, not at all. As far as the making money/asking for buys is concerned, I know that I love to make me some money! And if this blog were mine, and if offered, I'd be sorely tempted. It changes things a bit, it does. But I think it's ok and we can all take it in stride. It's who she is, there's a match (I think) so it's not that jarring.
I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
Civil service rules are what prevents that. You might notice that even in non-union states, the teachers don't all get canned every 4 years.
Don't Tread 2012
I like that quote about the squirrel could "go ballistic".
Mary
Thanks for that info. As I understand it the Wall Street Journal says that getting out of the WEA Trust insurance deal and folding them into the same insurance program as all other state workers would save WI $68 million. I think that's annually.
I wish I could find that article but I think it's pay walled now.
Off to go find that spread sheet.
It looks to me like they've got the health insurance savings in there-first column.
Walker Budget pdf
@madawaskan
"I like that quote about the squirrel could "go ballistic"."
Yes not since Secret Squirrel/Morocco Mole have I seen anything like a squirrel approach mach 1.
wv - duckwerm
German duck parasite
"And if this blog were mine, and if offered, I'd be sorely tempted."
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better.
i think that first column is savings realized if the teachers pay that 12% toward their premiums, as required in the bill. Savings from buying insurance elsewhere is entirely different.
deborah said...
"And if this blog were mine, and if offered, I'd be sorely tempted."
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better.
3/16/11 9:03 PM
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When I said I'd be sorely tempted, I meant that like Althouse, I'd probably take the Amazon thing.
Yeah, she could do a column, but something tells me she likes the video format a lot, and won't abandon that easily. Maybe some vid on NYT. The Post is moving toward much more video (a mistake IMO) so maybe the NYT will too.
I don't really know, but from my extremely limited understanding, and I might well be wrong, I thought unions were originally meant to prevent partisan hiring and firing. That, with a change in administration, all the teachers still got to keep their jobs.
Doesn't sound realistic to me. Firing entire teaching staff of school districts during administration changes?
Mary
Ooooh interesting.....because the total savings for that didn't add up.
Why wouldn't they include the saving from getting out of WEA Trust in that pdf?
Do they still have to accomplish that....
Yep that's it...possibly. They should have included that somewhere in the pdf like you said.
Morocco Mole...ha!
HT, the Amazon thing is amazing and win-win for both. Blogs capture a lot of eyeballs for people not already on board with Amazon.
She can keep her blog, do a column, puntitize on cable...the world is her oyster...
Civil service rules are what prevents that. You might notice that even in non-union states, the teachers don't all get canned every 4 years.
Not to mention the obvious inefficiency of having to hire and orient thousands of brand new teachers each year. Granted, its the government we're talking about but I still throw the bs flag on that.
Granted there was a time being a 'public employee' was a low pay occupation (hence the term; 'good enough for government work') although considering the fact that nearly every state is looking at billions in pension and benefit shortfalls illustrates that the pendulum has swung in the other direction.
Again, saw a link where the average Wisconsin public school teacher has a total compensation package of a hair over $100K. That's nothing to sneeze at.
In Indiana the average starting salary for a K-12 teacher is $30K (not benefits). My first full time job out of college in 1990 had me making $19K and I didn't have summers off.
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better.
~~~~~
In essence, she is selling her name ie the name of this blog is Althouse.
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
Doubt the NYT's is interested in an elder, local ideologue, but CNN hired erickson so anything is possible ;) as there just aren't enough ad nauseam, keen grasp of the obvious, pundits to go around.
said little or nothing about cops and firefighters
I'd gladly go up against cops and firefighters. I did, and was subject to more in nine months in the field than than most of them would ever suffer in twenty years. Except for the dead ones of course. Otherwise, I call bullshit on twenty year retirement, what for? Why?
That's a bullshit argument anyway.
Hell I don't even live in WI just over interested.
Each locality has to decide on the WEA Trust insurance-Walker can't get that done at the state level?
Hell I saw somewhere- where in the Green Bay area the local dems were extending the contracts to nullify what Walker did get passed. Or something like that.
Ugh-as to union in your parking lot maybe they'll get bored with it soon enough.
Stick some orange construction type cones in the spaces ahead of time. I think you can get a reasonable looking orange cone at WalMart or stick garbage cans in there.
Union is usually to lazy to get out and move 'em -they'll go some where else.
"But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time."
Think of it like the game of Monopoly. Although, with Althouse, I think she's more into being known than making money. Kinda like when I play Scrabble with my sis; I'd rather be right a few times on definitions or spelling, than to win. Different strokes...
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
You don't even understand what the word "hypocrisy" means, do you?
shiloh said...
Something tells me that Althouse would not want to sell her name. I see her holding out for an NYT column (replacing Douthat!) or better.
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In essence, she is selling her name ie the name of this blog is Althouse.
And as stated previously, nothing wrong w/making $$$. Hey free enterprise and a fool and their money is soon parted. But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
Doubt the NYT's is interested in an elder, local ideologue, but CNN hired erickson so anything is possible ;) as there just aren't enough ad nauseam, keen grasp of the obvious, pundits to go around.
I bet when you typed this, that your chest puffed up with the smug arrogance that being a leftard gave you, didn't it?
A good bit of Ann's work, including some video, IIRC, ends up on the Gray Lady, and she'll probably be in more venues after the last month's work, so she's in a good place, literarily speaking. She can do as much, or as little, as she likes.
What the Lefties can't stand, as I noted earlier, is that she's getting all that attention and they go unnoticed. They're supposed to be the ones getting offers to go on the news and live streams and all the rest, not some older woman who shoots down all their cherished nonsense.
Tantrums seem to be all the Left has left.
@deborah
“The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.” Oscar Wilde
AA's got most her conservative lemmings totally by the balls as it's good to be queen lol.
Tom Hanks in Volunteeers said re: sex ~ Well, yes. I mean I think I've put in the hours, don't you?
ie AA has put in the time and should now reap her reward ~ the praise of her flock ...
The yin/yang of everlasting worship.
Shiloh is an Althouse internet stalker. Most of his posts are inane jabs at Ann. He yearns for her to respond, but she never does and probably never will. I guess it gives his life some type of meaning.
But the hypocrisy is always entertaining ie AA sayin' she is 100% financially secure and "begging" for $$$ at the same time.
Warren Buffet is even more financially secure than Althouse and he's begging for money all the time too.
You have the spelling down pat but you need to work on your knowledge of the definition.
Congrats. You did good.
Leftists exploiting kids is a way of life but has got to stop.
He yearns for her to respond lol
Again, AA does not need to respond as her "band of brothers" er worshipers fill in nicely and she remains totally above the fray.
take care
Again, AA does not need to respond as her "band of brothers" er worshipers fill in nicely and she remains totally above the fray.
Yeah, it sucks for you. So much competition. How will you ever get Ann to notice you, lol.
Peace brother ;)
This is what blogging looks like
Hey hey hoho.. Althouse's critics have got to go.
(on the other hand we should probably thank the haters too)
Again, saw a link where the average Wisconsin public school teacher has a total compensation package of a hair over $100K. That's nothing to sneeze at.
I believe that's the average Milwaukee Public School Teacher, not the average for the state as a whole. Politifact had an article on it at some point.
I thought it was interesting that salaries were pretty flat the past couple years, but benefit costs really jumped -- to the tune of 30+% -- which I'm guessing has to be Health Care. If Milwaukee PSs are like Madison's, they have a pretty Rolls Royce-y plan.
Somebody just got educated here and wisely shut up. Got a swift kick in the rebuttal.
I liked how the Faux News channel relied on a "blogger" who identified the parties in the video based on their "t-shirts" to provide "news." Oh, how our standards for actual news coverage have crashed and burned.
But no surprise that you, Anne, would seize your 5 minutes of frame with the beloved Right Wing Crowd. I'm sure your University is proud of you (the one that pays your salary, I mean).
Althouse got schooled today.
First, the host lulls the guest into thinking everything's cool. Just the facts, please. It's all good, hey, we're a couple of girlfriends just chillin' and talkin'.
(Next, the setup)
MK: Wisconsin mandates the teaching of labor history.
AA: That's OK, it's American history.
(Finally, the bodyslam)
MK: Including mandating slagging Reagan.
AA: (eek!, she's got me, what do I do: own it, backpedal, or re-direct the question to something I want to talk about)
AA: Well, I ... teaching propaganda isn't right, we should encourage critical thinking skills.
AA: (whew, she almost had me, good thing I had already blogged about that)
In the bigs, there are no easy interviews. Questions are either a setup, or a bodyslam. The host is always prepared (she has a research staff). What counts is how the guest responds to the bodyslam, in both content and delivery. If the guest responds in an audience-pleasing way, expect some callbacks.
All sides heard what they wanted to hear from AA. But notice the craftiness, Wisconsin's educational standards remain unjudged. Well played, Althouse!
You've got a chip in the big game now!
Ann, you were brilliant. But why the deadpan?
"I think they're teachers based on their shirts and what they said to me." Thanks for the laugh! Once again proving that people can rise to high places in a society and still be clueless. I'll leave it to you to guys whether I meant Althouse or the alleged teachers.
Hoosier Daddy,
There is a difference between being and ass and being an asshole.
That said, I don't think Jeremy is an ass.
BTW, don't feed the assholes.
I can't believe I am coming so late to the commentary game, especially since I saw Ann's Fox News appearance live, as I dressed to go out.
I have read about 50 comments, and agree with Fred4Pres that you closed strong -- in fact, stronger than Megyn Kelly, who I adore. She is one tough Irish broad (HIGH praise).
As Ann settled into her role as interviewee, her points became more focused, and I got a true sense that she was concerned about the kids who are being shanghaied to prop up their teachers'/parents' political agendas -- not on their time off, but in consequence to their teachers' active dissimulation.
What Kelly struggled to emphasise, which is Ann's larger, more meaningful point, is that teachers do not just teach 1-2-3s and the odd bit about George Washington. They stand for integrity and for kids' welfare, not for the power of their union.
What good is it to have power, if you obtained it by lying, harranguing, and suborning?
Well done, Ann. We're seeing the first of many interviews on national TV, methinks.
Skylar,
Be careful. Are you in the bush?
I have been using "repurposing" all day.
wv: prosties (what ladies call their prosthetic breasts)
Hey Allen!
great going all the best.
How is it legal to video tape children everyday for 2 weeks then go on Fox news without a release from all the kids parents? I smell a lawsuit for the UW-Madison Law Professor?
How is it legal to video tape children everyday for 2 weeks then go on Fox news without a release from all the kids parents? I smell a lawsuit for the UW-Madison Law Professor
Perhaps because they are in a public venue?
I'm guessing you won't find the video of my darlings singing "Solidarity Forever" while doing an art project at the kitchen table very charming then. In Madison each child will absorb $600 in budget cuts - when they ask us why they don't have music class any more, or why they have 40kids in their class, we'll be able to say, "remember those chants at the capitol...?"
Sorry Roxy but what a crock of bull that is. You guys claim its all about the kids, and what is the first things you cut when money is tight? Why of course, things that affect the kids. HEAVEN FORBID THE TEACHERS GIVE UP ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
@Roxy
"I'm guessing you won't find the video of my darlings singing "Solidarity Forever" while doing an art project at the kitchen table very charming then."
You're right, that would be really creepy.
"In Madison each child will absorb $600 in budget cuts"
Suck it up sweetheart, why take it out on the kids???
"..when they ask us why they don't have music class any more, or why they have 40 kids in their class, we'll be able to say, "remember those chants at the capitol...?"
Good God. You need to write theatrical drama, toots.
Nice interview.
Your point about teaching children critical thinking skills was well made.
Good job not taking the bait on the claims about required teaching in Wisconsin.
BTW, have you found the law that the Fox Correspondent claimed to be quoting?
This is the Left-wing way. They know that rational adults could never accept their silly premises, so they attempt to indoctrinate the children.
The whole "KONY" thing was aimed at kids on facebook, and it turns out that the"Invisible Children" organization is a sham, and a campaign for the re-election of the Usurper. It's basically a brainwashing video with lots of Red (communist) themes.
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