ADDED: Here's what the Governer said today when asked about his plans "to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate":
I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.... It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down... What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case. If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.Wow.
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"World Net Daily
Next to the Birther news , look for the ongoing Shapeshifter debate.
(birthers forget that BO's birth was announced in the Honolulu paper. Was that part of a conspiracy as well? un f-ing likely)"
Birth announcement is proof of nothing. Could be automatically generated by testimony of family. Gparents wanted US Citizenship for Gchild.
The newspaper reports said he was born in Honolulu hospital.
But more importantly....do you have convincing evidence which would establish that Barack Obama is not a ...Shapeshifter??, specifically, a Reptilian member of the Illuminati. Like his mentors the Clintons, the English royal family, David Rockefeller, Kissinger and many many others.
Back when Kerry refused to release his military records there was a lot of speculation on the Internet that there was something dark - maybe a court martial? - buried in those records. In the end, it was the relatively minor embarrassment that his college grades were no better - in fact a half a tick worse - than George W. Bush's grades.
It's purely speculation at this point but it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't something mildly embarrassing in the original birth certificate. Perhaps the mother found it convenient to lie and say she wasn't married and didn't know the name of the father in order to qualify for AFDC? Who knows?
At this point, really, I don't much care.
I said:
"...a literal reading of that clause would require..."
And Mick said:
"Wrong."
Well I suppose I could have said "could." It's like WI's marriage between "one man and one woman" COULD mean only one couple in the state can be married at any given time. I haven't heard yet if my wife and I won the lottery, or if my kids are retroactively bastards.
Doesn't matter, Obama was born to a 100% American mother with a bad case of jungle fever, who actually married her prize Nubian here before he ambled off. Giving Obama US citizenship by blood. Nor do Birthers have any evidence that mommy ever left Hawaii as evidenced by hospital records on birth, the care of mommy and baby Obama at the hospital, and Obama's infant shots and other records in Hawaii.
The Birthers remain an ignorable fringe.
Big Mike - "It's purely speculation at this point but it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't something mildly embarrassing in the original birth certificate. Perhaps the mother found it convenient to lie and say she wasn't married and didn't know the name of the father in order to qualify for AFDC? Who knows?
At this point, really, I don't much care."
I don't really care either, but it could be something really funny like listing young Barry's race as "white".
Back in the 50s and early 60s, it was popular to list half-breeds - the Eurasian, NativeAmerican-white parent child births as "white".
Of course, that would be only funny to people that don't play the race, gender, sexual identity politics and would be a bigger blow to liberals than pics of John Kerry surfacing later posing with Jane Fonda and the VC in Paris.
Mick:
What if it is proven that Obama's father is really not Barack Sr. but rather an AMERICAN CITIZEN (e.g. Frank Marshall Davis)?
Cedarford ("ignore" this at your own risk):
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2010/12/chris-matthews-obama-birth-certificate-why-hasnt-obama-demanded-it/
...baby Obama at the hospital, and Obama's infant shots and other records in Hawaii.
What records? There are no "records," and no records of a "baby Obama" birthed at ANY hospital. His so-called Hawaiian birth was called in, at the time a minor scam of little or no consequence. But now a genuine art form.
Think about it; we have a president with virtually no background, no birth certificate, no resume, no employment application, no academic transcripts, no peer reviews - accompanied by a ship of fools.
Ignorance is Bliss,
Can't we just give President Obama credit for winning the election, whatever his provenance?
Wow - talk about living up to your handle!
Why did the grandparents do it? I've heard it's because they were worried about later custody issues. They realized the marriage was doomed and wanted to establish their daughters custody rights. She was underage at the time of birth.
Gabriel Hanna's right about adoption and birth certificates.
And I bet that's what this is all about: Barry Dunham was adopted by his step father, Lolo Soetoro, and his name was changed in the process, and his religion, too. The birth certificate that is valid is not the "long form" at all. But this birth certificate would have been an odd addition to the single-mother story, and the white upbringing in Hawaii story. And then, he'd had have to explain that he was a Muslim, and why he was Soetoro, not Obama, and that was just one of a zillion questions no one wanted to have to answer.
Cedarford said...
" Doesn't matter, Obama was born to a 100% American mother with a bad case of jungle fever, who actually married her prize Nubian here before he ambled off. Giving Obama US citizenship by blood."
And again you're wrong. "US Citizenship by blood", or "US Citizenship at birth" or "Native born" are not the standards. A2S1C5 requires that he be a natural born Citizen, a term of Art of Natural Law, which just so happens to be our Original Common Law (see the Declaration of Independence). Amazing that people think that it was just written there in the Constitution, and had no meaning.
The term has a distinct meaning, which has been understood for over 200 years the same way.
Singular Allegiance at birth gained from birth in a nation of a mother AND FATHER who are citizens of that nation makes one a citizen of that nation by no statute but natural law, or as L. Tribe put it in 4/2008:
"One born Within the territory and Allegiance of a nation".
Which of course melds perfectly w/ Federalist #68, which describes the requirement that the chief magistrate be a "creature of our own", which melds perfectly with the 1757 Law of Nations "Indigenous Citizen", How can one be born an indigenous Citizen, a creature of our own and WITHIN the allegiance of the US if "his citizenship statutus" was admittedly "governed by Britain"?
Jake said...
" Mick:
What if it is proven that Obama's father is really not Barack Sr. but rather an AMERICAN CITIZEN (e.g. Frank Marshall Davis)?"
Well that would go against his tale of upbringing, and would out him as a liar. But there is a Legal Divorce decree for Dunham and Obama Sr. that lists Obama 2 as the child of there marraige.
As far as the effect on the condition of natural born Citizenship, if the mother is not married, then Obama would not be affected by the foreign citizenship of the father, and would be a natural born Citizen (if born in America) because of the mother's US Citizenship.
What if there was no father? Perhaps the One was conceived immaculately. What does the Constitution say about that?
Questions, Questions
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/01/in-search-of-holy-grail-of-documents.html
"Revenant said...
Where's Mick?
Mick doesn't care about the birth certificate. His schtick is that Obama isn't a natural born citizen because his dad wasn't American."
Mick doesn't know the law then. Jus soli applies here, and that's been established by the Supreme Court is US V. Won Kim Ark, and further validated in Plyler v. Doe. I'd say the Supreme Court is as authoritative as you can get.
Tibore said...
"Revenant said...
Where's Mick?
Mick doesn't care about the birth certificate. His schtick is that Obama isn't a natural born citizen because his dad wasn't American."
Mick doesn't know the law then. Jus soli applies here, and that's been established by the Supreme Court is US V. Won Kim Ark, and further validated in Plyler v. Doe. I'd say the Supreme Court is as authoritative as you can get."
And of course you are wrong (and desperately lying). Especially since you cite 2 of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever.
WKA said that the child of Resident domiciled aliens can achieve US citizenship at the age of majority by election of residence. It NEVER said that WKA was a natural born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS.
Phyler v. Doe further muddied the juridictional clause, basturdized equal protection, and shackled Americans w/ educating the children of illegal immigrants. It had nothing to do with who is a natural born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS.
"Especially since you cite 2 of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever."
Thank you for admitting that the Supreme Court said it. I'd say a group of Justices trumps your incoherent misinterpretations. Have fun ranting uselessly on the internet. Ta-ta!
Tibore said...
"Especially since you cite 2 of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever."
Thank you for admitting that the Supreme Court said it. I'd say a group of Justices trumps your incoherent misinterpretations. Have fun ranting uselessly on the internet. Ta-ta!"
And there you have it folks the childishness and desperate lying of the Left. NOTHING in those 2 cases meant to change the meaning of natural born Citizenship.
nbcs are citizens of Original Federal Common Law. The meaning can only be changed by amendment, not by a false reading of dicta from SCOTUS cases.
"We'll do what we can as quickly as we can to make it inevitable that only those who wish the President ill, only the ones with a political agenda, will be the ones doing this kind of thing," [Abercrombie] said at the time. "The President is entitled to the respect of his office and he's entitled to have his mother and father respected."
Well, Abercrombie had better shake a leg. 2012 is nearly here and if Obama fails to get his citizenship question cleared up, the entire electorate, not only the so-called birthers, "will be the ones," rightfully and dutifully, "doing this kind of thing."
It appears that Obama's only way out now is to come up with a masterwork in forgery.
Meanwhile, imagine Abercrombie's embarrassment; he's virtually proved the "birther's" case, while exposing himself as another in the long line of blind believers (i.e., Liberals). And to think, lots of people are born his way. What P.T. Barnum called suckers.
Celebrity Journalist Mike Evans: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate
http://fxn.ws/fjZsBK
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