IN THE COMMENTS: Cyrus Pinkerton accuses:
Althouse throws out some red meat for her hysterical rightwing base. A mindless feeding frenzy ensues. Good stuff, Althouse!My response:
My point is -- call it red meat if you like -- that Palin did not grovel at the accusation of racism. She just went right for the point that she had to make... which was never racist. What's new is that she didn't bother to respond to the charge. She wasn't cowed by it. It was utter bullshit of course, and her response treated it as the bullshit it was.
Cyrus:
It's new that Palin is unresponsive to questions from the press? Really?
Meade:
Unresponsive to the charge of racism. Think about that, Cyrus. It is Palin, not Obama supporters, who is post-racial.
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Thanks for the rant. Almost 70% of black children are born to unmarried parents. This statistic pre-dates the George W. Bush presidency.
Because black people bear no responsibility for their actions, which white person or person(s) can I blame this on?
Expect pork barrel and earmark spending to skyrocket as taxes and government spending do likewise.
That boogeyman has no scare power. A year's worth of earmarks is only $16 billion, or about 6.5 weeks of the Iraq occupation at the current run rate.
But, taxes will have to increase to support the Wall Street bailout, as well as the deficits caused by the Iraq war. Obviously the Bush chickens would have had to come to roost sometime.
Former law student:
Blame Justice Brennan for that Florida teacher keeping his job.
Public school teachers are impossible to fire.
Almost 70% of black children are born to unmarried parents.
Sarah Palin: the first black VP?
game set match thanks mccollaugh. I couldn't have said it better myself
althouse lives in a liberal bubble, so of course her contrarian insticts lean conservative, but when looked at from a distance it's anti-anti estableshment. Madison and new York law circles have little I'm common with America. Maybe some pro Bono work is over due.
Althouse's pro bono work is giving idiot liberals a forum for their silly views in her comments section.
Althouse's pro bono work is giving idiot liberals a forum for their silly views in her comments section.
Hardly. I imagine Althouse makes some nice change off the site.
I'm not dissing her. She puts in a lot of time and effort and it's a decent blog, afterall.
Re the Ayers / B. Obama / Dohrn / M. Obama connection.
This website has some interesting questions
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/batchelor-questions-about-ayers-dohrn-obama/
Among many facts -- Dohrn supervised summer interns from 84-88 at Sidley Austin. Michelle interned and then worked there during that period. When Dohrn left, Michelle took over the supervision of interns and met Barack when he was interning.
There are multiple -- and I do mean multiple -- overlays of contacts over many years between Obama and Ayers.
Of note also is both Ayers and Obama were at Columbia at the same time in the early 80s. Obama was already traveling in the fringe radical crowd from his Occcidental days (according to his book), so crossing with (meeting) Ayers in the fringes of Columbia is not a reach.
Why is there so much resistance on the part of some to the idea that these guys with very similar social restructuring agendas and ideology knew each other.
Obama's obfuscation should be a flashing warning sign.
And yes -- I would like to see his "lost" Senate papers (Rose billing records?) Why would anyone in his position be so careless? Politicians like to tell people what they've done.
Would also like to see his transcripts. And his medical / physical exam, not a doctor's note.
This is not curious, it is deliberate and deceptive.
* looks up "favelas" *
That Josh Marshall bit is scary. Would the media go so far as to falsely accuse McCain/Palin of inciting violence against Obama for merely pointing that his friend was a terrorist?
The media don't need to do anything. You can hear it for yourself. Though John McCain looked taken aback when the guy shouted it out. It looked to me McCain had a moment of thinking 'oh shit', then smiled and carried on.
News flash to trolls:
Keating Five has been put to bed by 1990. End of story.
Someone mentioned Obama's mother above - I saw McCain's Mom. and Palin's parents at their convention, missed Barack's, was his Mom there? Saw no coverage of that... did I miss it?
No real reporting on his family all this time... just points from his book.
And btw - "Kill him" doesn't mean KILL him, it means "go get 'em," "knock 'em dead," "take the gloves off," "go for it... " don't get hung up on "Liberal" focus on one dimensional meaning, and faked outrage.
Also - was it NBC/MSNBC who had a story on tonight with McCain's Prison Guard, saying he had a "different" version than McCain about what happened to McCain while he was in prison?
Saying they had nice chats?
You knew it was coming. Soon they'll have McCain torturing the guards.
Bill Ayers was on the FBI's most wanted list and Obama is telling us he was unaware of Ayers being a terrorist?????
That's like saying he was unaware of Rev. Wright's racial sermons for 20 years ...oops.
Obama is unaware of his surroundings when it's convenient. Perhaps he was a cocaine induced stupor all throughout his young adult life, like he described in his book.
The only people who are bringing racism into this argument are AP and Obama's cronies.
Jeez, Anne, some of your commenters here really don't like it when you don't do the all hatin' on McCain Palin all the time thing. Did you know you were in the tank for Sarah? Hmmm, neither did I.
The thing about Sarah is that she's not dumb, there's no such thing as a bad picture of her and she couldn't give a stuff about Obama's skin - all she cares about is the content of his character and she finds it wanting.
Someone mentioned Obama's mother above - I saw McCain's Mom. and Palin's parents at their convention, missed Barack's, was his Mom there? Saw no coverage of that... did I miss it?
Sadly, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, died of ovarian cancer in the mid-90s.
His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, is alive but reputedly unwell in Hawaii.
I don't wish to doubt that, but yet again this obfuscation of his background during this campaign troubles me.
Can't you show a quick snapshot of Obama and his blood grandmother, like he did with Sarah Obama, his Kenyan (step-)grandmother?
I know she's white, but that won't alienate any black person from voting for him now (if that is one of the reasons she's kept under wraps).
Cheers,
Victoria
William wrote:
Victoria: Did you go to Cambridge with the Apostles?
NO! Never mention THAT University in my presence, William. *shiver, glower*
Don't worry. My Steps, taken both from memory but with a fair bit of scripting of my own experiences, have to do more with Ayers, than Obama.
But don't think Alinsky didn't influence Obama's career either.
Cheers,
Victoria
FLS, my memory of Fussel's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System suggests professors are more likely to be "X," outside of class. But don't we all think the people we know transcend class? As to nobility, I remember our CEO (of a Fortune 500) letting my boss know he wasn't getting to the executive suite unless he stopped dressing like a professor. That doesn't speak to nobility.
1jpg, I have been on boards. And I have ended up palling around with other members, especially those on the same committees. In fact, I took as a mentor an older woman on one where I was, oddly enough, the chair. It can happen.
I've undoubtedly not read enough about Obama. So tell me, how many people were on the board of this Annenberg Challenge? Did that change after the grant was won? What were the subcommittees, how big, and who was on them? What did the by-laws look like? Does anyone know the answer to those questions? Do you agree that they are legit?
And I agree that the questions of the Keating 5 are legit in looking at McCain. Major point: The Keating 5 scandal was thoroughly investigated and given a complete public airing. Anyone can look up the issue and judge McCain's guilt and response for themselves. Obama's issues have not been thoroughly investigated and we don't have a clue about his actions. Investigations by the AP and NYTs don't count as they fall under the lovestruck with blinders category. They're the cops that say "Move along. Nothing to see here." I cannot judge for myself, I'm expected to take the word of others.
Hey Christy, good questions about the Annenberg Challenge. I'll go search for the answers later.
But you mentioned the Keating 5 scandal, and I wondered if you and others got to hear about this.
Obama held an Ohio rally where Bruce Springsteen played for the crowd. And do you know who introduced The Boss to the crowd?
Senator John H. Glenn
Talk about talking through both sides of your mouth, Obama.
I genuinely believe that few, even the adults in the Democratic Party, are troubled by McCain and the Keating scandal. It is just a diversionary tactic (or would that be a strategy?) to make people waste time defending the no-longer-consequential when they could do more damage attacking.
Christy,
That's an interesting question about transcending class. No, I personally don't think the people I know transcend class, but the influences are often subtle and not as economically confining as they're traditionally defined.
For example, I've known rednecks (considered part of the working class) who made a lot of money. And they became rednecks with a lot of money. Similarly, I've known wealthy, well-educated, cultured people who fell into poverty who remained as well-educated and cultured as they ever were.
Maybe that is transcending class, in a way. In America, class seems to be an inflection. I'm reminded of Legally Blonde, when Elle announces to her parents that she wants to go to Harvard Law:
Elle's Mother: Honey, you were First Runner-Up at the "Miss Hawaiian Tropics" contest. Why are you going to throw that all away?
Elle: Going to Harvard is the only way I'm going to get the love of my life back.
Elle's Father: Oh, sweetheart, you don't need law school. Law school is for people who are boring and ugly and serious. And you, button, are none of those things.
It's funny, but there's more than a grain of truth to it, as well.
ZPS said: "The truly crazy thing is that Palin has been and would have been a popular pol had she not have been handled so horrifically by the McCain people. After being re-manufactured by McCain, she's totally toxic."
Her approval rating is exactly the same as Biden's in yesterday's CBS poll (up 8 points since the debate), and 1 point higher than Biden's in yesterday's NBC poll. Is Biden "totally toxic" too?
I agree she was handled horrifically tho.
Christy,
To me, the interesting part about Keating 5, is that McCain was clearly included as political cover--and yet, his reaction was to produce the (heinous) BCRA. He's a guy who values his honor, clearly.
And now, 20 years later, the political coverage is still showing its usefulness, at least theoretically. It's hard to say whether anyone buys it, but there are sure a whole lot of people repeating it.
Total disconnect going on in American society. That's the headline.
Pres. Clinton pardons 2 Weather Underground terrorists on his last day in office. Univ. of Chicago and Mayor Daley think Bill and Bernadette are reformed. Sen. Obama says he's just another guy.
McCain bombed and killed innocents in Vietnam, accd. to a letter in today's NYT. He went on G. Gordon Liddy's radio show once. Palin kills moose. McCain supporters are crypto-racists.
Same-same.
We've all been brainwashed over the last 40 years to think, "Hey, man, be cool. Whatever. Let it all hang out. But don't trust the Man."
And now it's the tyranny of the cool people.
@11:34, Cool! Thanks, garage, you barely but still lovable lefty.
Good morning to all.
Has someone found the video of the rally that Dana Milbank alledgedly reported?
Can I just say that 'pal around' in the past tense is an awkward phrase? Palled? I see that as the past tense of pall. Paled? No, that doesn't work either.
MadisonMan, it is an awkward expression. I believe the past tense is palled.
Interesting video from CNN plus cross linking to this post...
The trouble with trying to tar Obama with his Ayers-Dohrn associations is that as tenured professors they are as respectable and establishment figures as our gracious hostess.
Gunter Grass is a respected playwright and Nobel prize winner. Never mind that was in the 10th SS.
Nothing to see here.
McCain bombed and killed innocents.
By that standard so did Jimmy Stewart.
Her approval rating is exactly the same as Biden's in yesterday's CBS poll (up 8 points since the debate), and 1 point higher than Biden's in yesterday's NBC poll.
It is also only slightly lower than Barack Obama's. The notion that she's "toxic" is ridiculous.
Wow, Palin is such a drain on the Republican ticket that the race tightens every time she gets national exposure.
Them's the facts.
Operatives will lie and say otherwise. That makes them easy to spot!
Trey
Last time I looked, Ayers is white.
Maybe it's time for McCain and Palin to start attacking those false racism charges anytime someone lands a punch on Obama.
The trouble with trying to tar Obama with his Ayers-Dohrn associations is that as tenured professors they are as respectable and establishment figures as our gracious hostess.
Gunter Grass is a respected playwright and Nobel prize winner. Never mind that was in the 10th SS.
The differences are that Ayers and Dohrn are unrepentant radicals, to this day. They acknowledge what they did, and refuse to accept any guilt. They continue (2001, and 2007) to speak about the Evil of Amerikkka. That is why Dohrn cant get a law license.
Grass was drafted into the Waffen SS (combat troops) as a tank gunner and served 2 months (Feb-apr 45) in front line combat on the Western Front following the Battle of the Bulge. He regrats his being drafted by the SS.
see the difference?
Grass was drafted into the Waffen SS (combat troops) as a tank gunner and served 2 months (Feb-apr 45) in front line combat on the Western Front following the Battle of the Bulge. He regrats his being drafted by the SS.
see the difference?
Well his regrets came after his disclosure after 60 years of silence.
You may have missed my point. Being a 'tenured professor' doesn't automatically bestow respectability. Had Grass's SS service been knowledge from day one, I doubt he'd be the 'respected playwright' he is. I'm not saying Grass was a fervent Nazi but being a member of the Waffen SS, involuntary or not, wouldn't have gotten him a pass from the lefties had it been known right up front.
Here is a pretty good summary of the close connection between Ayers and Obama. From CNN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ
One needn't go to a cartoon to see Bill Ayers' red star, but simply to his own web site, where he displays a communist star at the head of every page, together with a rifle silhouette.
See there Ayers' speech in Venezuela less than two years ago where he lauds the “revolucion Bolivariana” and the job Hugo Chavez is doing creating something “truly new and deeply humane.”
As Ayers said, “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now,” “La educacion es revolucion!”
“I […] eventually taught at every level in barrios and prisons and insurgent projects across the United States. I learned then that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space […].”
“Totalitarianism demands obedience and conformity, hierarchy, command and control. Royalty requires allegiance. Capitalism promotes racism and militarism […].”
“Despite being under constant attack from within and from abroad, the Bolivarian revolution has made astonishing strides in a brief period […]. Venezuela is a beacon to the world in its accomplishment […].”
“We, too, must move in and out of windows, we, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model […] — a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.”
“Viva Presidente Chavez!
Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana!”
Unresponsive to the charge of racism. Think about that, Cyrus. It is Palin, not Obama supporters, who is post-racial.
Actually I find it amazing that anyone is surprised that the race card gets thrown out by the Obama camp. This is the same campaign that accused two flaming liberals, Clinton and Ferraro of being racist. With the bar set that low, Palin as a conservative would be accused of racism for saying the sky is blue.
I see Obama's "truth squad" zombies have found this post. Repeating debunked smears, telling bald faced lies about polls and making sexist remarks about a smart woman. You go, O-bots!
Last time I looked, Ayers is white.
Yes, but you don't understand the formula. Saying bad things about left-wing black people is racist. Barack Obama is black and left-wing; ergo, saying bad things about Barack Obama is racist.
CNN Gives The Spurs To Barack Obama About His Ties To Bill Ayers?
Wow. I did not think CNN had it in them!
McCain bombed and killed innocents.
By that standard so did Jimmy Stewart.
Add George McGovern and Tom Landry to the list.
@11:34, Cool! Thanks, garage, you barely but still lovable lefty.
I've put my heart and soul into this blog for 3 years, and have I been rewarded once on the front page yet? No. Do I have my own tag yet? NO.
I've put my heart and soul into this blog for 3 years, and have I been rewarded once on the front page yet? No. Do I have my own tag yet? NO.
That's because you haven't quite risen to the category of "insufferable prick".
So rather than do the usual liberal thing of whining and demanding fairness, roll up your sleeves and work harder :-)
Aw, garage, we'll send you a virtual group hug (no knives, I promise)
:)
See there Ayers' speech in Venezuela less than two years ago where he lauds the “revolucion Bolivariana” and the job Hugo Chavez is doing creating something “truly new and deeply humane.”
Hey, if there really is a close Obama-Ayers connection, this praise for Chavez should increase our energy security. According to a 2006 GAO study, Venezuela supplies 11% of our crude oil and petroleum products. Venezuela also owns five refineries in the US.
Consider that Venezuela is much closer to the US than Iraq. Further, it is not a Muslim country.
As to nobility, I remember our CEO (of a Fortune 500) letting my boss know he wasn't getting to the executive suite unless he stopped dressing like a professor.
Nobility can wear whatever they want, no matter how shabby, because unlike your boss, they have nothing to prove to anyone.
And do you know who introduced The Boss to the crowd?
Senator John H. Glenn
A great naval aviator (Marine), who flew six times as many missions as McCain did, but never got shot down. Later a test pilot, then the first American to orbit the earth, before becoming a businessman and Senator.
Ok ok. I know can do this!
And thanks for the inspiration Hoosier.
Ok ok. I know can do this!
And thanks for the inspiration Hoosier.
That's the spirit! My work here is done.
There is a new generation taking the stage, and they are not phased by the lies or tactics of leftists. We don't care what you say, think or feel. We will state the truth and attack you as required to ensure truth, logic and liberty prevail.
Out with the old pacifist and compromising GOP, back with the verbal bomb throwers of liberty.
I have never thought them serving on the board together was a terrible thing (except in that it's terrible that Ayers is considered mainstream enough to hold a teaching job), because yeah, you may not hang out with other charity board members.
The problem comes when you start wondering how Obama got to be in charge. The natural answer is the Ayers family, which makes you wonder how close they really were. And then, there is the whole launching his campaign from his house. That at least shows some sameness of political tint, which is troubling.
Couple this with the 15 different answers out of Obama camp you start wondering if there is fire.
But I think the Republicans ought to talk about other things. Like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The problem is, if they call all this other stuff racist, wait until they get a load of the racial elements of that mess, with that video guy talking about the Congressional Black Caucus and Barnie Frank's new comments. They will have to be careful how they handle it.
And it blows my mind even more than Ann can still be pretending to be neutral while posting this kind of stuff.
Next you're going to tell me that wrestling is fixed.
former law student:
Oh yeah, right. The spin merchants are imaginative today.
Rather, Hugo Chavez the dictator of Venezuela (and don't give me any crap about how he's “democratically elected” — anybody who arranges so they can legislate by decree as Chavez has is a dictator) is basically a self-declared enemy of the U.S., who is busily arranging an alliance with Russia against us.
[Chavez] is busily arranging an alliance with Russia against us.
Then wouldn't it behoove us to get Chavez on our side? I don't get how biting the hand that feeds us (oil) helps us any.
@Alpha "See No Evil" Liberal
Responding to the statement, "[Ayers and Obama] had a business together for years," you replied, "WTF? Where do you get this? Please name the business. Back up this allegation."
The one who posted it used the word "business" somewhat imprecisely. Obama spent 5 years as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which funneled over $100 million into very unsuccessful programs to improve Chicago public schools. The board headed by Obama handled the money side of the CAC.
Bill Ayers, unrepentant founder of Weather Underground, was also a founder of the CAC, and was one of a group of 5 who selected the board members. Ayers chaired the "Collaborative" part of the CAC throughout its history, which focussed on creating community pressure groups with the funds coming through the Board.
"Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative."
Here's the link to the article that resulted from considerable research into the CAC's minutes and other papers at the University of Chicago library:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
m00tpoint
Good link. Even after an exhaustive study of the CAC records, especially the board meeting minutes, Kurtz cannot refute the Obama campaign's contention that Ayers had nothing to do with selecting Obama as Chairman of the board. Nor can he show that Obama and Ayers met at any time post-1995.
The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year.
Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.
This bolded statement was apparently pulled out of Mr. Kurtz's butt.
For some in Madison, capitol of swing-state Wisconsin, Ayers is a living reminder of this guy, still at large for Weatherman-inspired "insurgency."
Obama need to come clean now.
FLS: And in your eagerness to spout talking points, you miss the point. Ayers was not just "some guy" who lived in Obama's neighborhood. They worked together, knew each other, and together they spent over $100 million on Ayers' "Education is Revolution" school reform nonsense. I live in Chicagoland, and I can tell you, it is remarkable, genuinely remarkable, that this group could spend $100 million and not make any sort of dent in the problems Chicago schools have.
As to what you did say, how was Ayers NOT involved in selecting Obama, when he was on a search committee of 5? Founder of the organization completely oblivious to who will chair the board and handle $100 million? Doubtful, don't you think? Sure, maybe Ayers didn't directly directly speak with Obama about the job, maybe he did. But you can bet Ayers knew who Obama was and felt comfortable with him as Chairman.
m00t
More Keating Five crap, here's what the Special Council Democratic lawyer Bennett had to say about the Keating Five hearings.
This is the same thing we are hearing now from the Democrats about the problems of the economy.
The televised "Keating Five" senate ethics hearings focused on the substantial contributions S&L high-roller Charles Keating had arranged for five senators' reelection campaigns, and the pressures the senators had exerted on federal regulators on behalf of Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan. Special Counsel Robert S. Bennett argued in his opening statement that the committee should judge the senators' conduct under the "appearance standard."
Bennett was sensitive to the criticism that improper appearances are uniquely in the eye of the beholder. So he articulated the following "appearance" principle: "A senator should not engage in conduct that would appear to be improper to a reasonable nonpartisan, fully informed person." This was an artful formulation. Yet, by design, the majority and minority members of the Senate Ethics Committee are partisans -- a truth they confirmed by including Senators John Glenn and John McCain in their public hearings despite Special Counsel Bennett's contrary recommendation. The two senators had played relatively minor roles in the Keating affair. Senator McCain was a Republican, however, and without him the televised hearing would have given the appearance that Democrats were responsible for the S&L crisis. Senator Glenn's presence, in turn, was necessary to provide the appearance of even handedness in reaching out for Senator McCain.
Palin has figured out that these people who claim her comments are "racially tinged" are the same ones claiming that she faked her child's birth.
In short, she knows they're full of it, and she has no problem calling them on it.
FLS, where is your proof that Ayers did not approve Obama? I'll go further, prove Ayers did not hand select Obama.
From instapundit:
"AS PALIN BRINGS UP AYERS, OBAMA BRINGS UP KEATING. But McCain's role in the Keating Five affair is a bit overstated. Here's what we wrote about it in The Appearance of Impropriety, [book on Amazon Reynoldsm then voting Democrat, I believe, coauthored] back in 1997 when thoughts of the current election were rather far away:
"'The televised "Keating Five" senate ethics hearings focused on the substantial contributions S&L high-roller Charles Keating had arranged for five senators' reelection campaigns, and the pressures the senators had exerted on federal regulators on behalf of Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan. Special Counsel Robert S. Bennett argued in his opening statement that the committee should judge the senators' conduct under the "appearance standard."
"'Bennett was sensitive to the criticism that improper appearances are uniquely in the eye of the beholder. So hea rticulated the folowing "appearance" principle: "A senator should not engage in conduct that would appear to be improper to a resonable nonpartisan, fully informed person." This was an artful formulation. Yet, by design, the majority and minority members of the Senate Ethics Committee are partisans -- a truth they confirmed by including Senators John Glenn and John McCain in their public hearings despite Special Counsel Bennett's contrary recommendation. The two senators had played relatively minor roles in the Keating affair. Senator McCain was a Republican, however, and without him the televised hearing would have given the appearance that Democrats were responsible for the S&L crisis. Senator Glenn's presence, in turn, was necessary to provide the appearance of evenhandedness in reaching out for Senator McCain.'"
Not offered with hope to change the Partrots' minds, rather to give some of the rest of us more gavitas in our positions.
References and foot notes make for better papers.
Polly want a cracker?
Darn.
As soon as I decide to bypass "preview" I see typos.
parrots' not parrot patriots, or whatever that meant ....
"There was a football coach who used to say 'the best defense is a good offense.' "
Um, that was first said not by a football coach but by General George S. Patton. The quote is:
"In war, the only sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it."
Here is the quote in its full context:
"Pacifists would do well to study the Siegfried and Maginot Lines, remembering that these defenses were forced; that Troy fell; that the walls of Hadrian succumbed; that the Great Wall of China was futile; and that, by the same token, the mighty seas which are alleged to defend us can also be circumvented by a resolute and ingenious opponent. In war, the only one sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it."
Incidentally:
During the operation that flattened the Nazi Bulge, Patton's Third Army "moved farther and faster and engaged more divisions in less time than any other army in the history of the world."
Patton's Third Army also lost fewer men than any other army, given the number of engagements and the sizes of the enemy units. Indeed, as to this last, Third Army non-combat related causalities actually exceeded battle causalities during his drive for the Rhine in early 1945.
Patton also said:
"A pint of sweat saves a gallon of blood."
I'll leave the inferences--as they relate to this issue and to the last 60-years of the USA's political/military history--to be drawn by the reader.
Racism has been used for too long by the Left to silence dissent.
Good for Palin.
The trouble with trying to tar Obama with his Ayers-Dohrn associations is that as tenured professors they are as respectable and establishment figures as our gracious hostess.
Which goes a long way toward explaining why so many people are hostile to the academic establishment.
Seriously, what? If David Duke got tenure, we'd all have to be, "Oh. Well, never mind"?
former law student said...
"Almost 70% of black children are born to unmarried parents."
Sarah Palin: the first black VP?
Lefties always confuse getting pregnant before being married with electing to remain single when the kid is born and thereafter.
As far as I know, Palin's family believes in, and practices - the belief any child they create being born to a married couple.
Now, as for 70% of black people...having kids born out of marriage is not a good thing for the father, the mother, or the kids in the long run. That should be out of dispute. Just as the fact that black promiscuity and other poor behaviors (like drug use) have given American blacks a AIDs rate 6 times higher than whites or Asians - is another bad thing. Neither is it "racist" to point that fact out.
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Hoosier Daddy said...
"The trouble with trying to tar Obama with his Ayers-Dohrn associations is that as tenured professors they are as respectable and establishment figures as our gracious hostess."
Gunter Grass is a respected playwright and Nobel prize winner. Never mind that was in the 10th SS.
Bad analogy. Ayers split from the SDS and became the founder of a terrorist group.
Both Gunter Grass and Pope Benedict were young draftees into their nation's war effort. (Grass drafted into the 10th, Benedict in 1945 into the Hitler Youth Brigades as Red Army cannon fodder)
As for Gunter Grass "concealing" his involvement in an endeavor he is not proud of - it is sort of like members of academia omitting "former Communist Party member" from their CV, or the paucity of Vietnam Draft dodgers in the Democrat Party telling voters of the "proud years" they were "in the resistance" skiiing in Europe or living in Canadian liberal enclaves..
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FLS - Senator John H. Glenn
A great naval aviator (Marine), who flew six times as many missions as McCain did, but never got shot down.
FLS, having never served in the military, let alone combat, somehow believes that time spent in combat without being shot and taken down by the enemy is the mark of individual military competence.
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Founder of the organization completely oblivious to who will chair the board and handle $100 million?
The person chairing a non-profit's board is not the person handling the money. The board is a check and a balance to management, not management itself.
how was Ayers NOT involved in selecting Obama?... where is your proof that Ayers did not approve Obama? I'll go further, prove Ayers did not hand select Obama.
I admire you folk's anti-Obama faith; per Hebrews 1:11 ... the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It's irrefutable from your POV.
Cedarford said...
You can fly a lot more missions when you're not stuck in a POW camp.
I've put my heart and soul into this blog for 3 years, and have I been rewarded once on the front page yet? No. Do I have my own tag yet? NO.
Pathetic, ain't it?
And I think it's fair to talk about where Barack Obama kicked off his political career, int he guy's living room. And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it's important for Americans to know.
Can someone please send all the journalism schools a box of semi-colons and colons, PLEASE.
And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group; it's important for Americans to know.
BTW, I find it absolutely credible that Obama DIDN'T KNOW.
Do you think that the liberals in Chicago who surround Ayers and Obama who DID know, actually ever talk about it?
Who would tell him?
I wouldn't have recognized Ayers name, even if I would have recognized the Weathermen or whatever... Weather-something... I'd go... Oh, hey, 1960's robbed a bank or blew something up, right?...
But the essential philosophy of the man... that's got to be known. He's still an activist. It's not possible that Obama didn't know where he was coming from.
"The person chairing a non-profit's board is not the person handling the money. The board is a check and a balance to management, not management itself."
You just keep on grasping at straws. OK, Obama probably didn't physically write the checks. All he did was chair the board that approved all the expenditures.
You keep on focussing on piffle and not refuting the central allegations here:
1) Bill Ayers was not just "some guy" who "lived in [Obama's] neighborhood." They worked together on CAC, in very responsible positions.
2) To believe that Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's selection to head the board of CAC strains credulity past the breaking point. $100 million appears to fund all your pet education theories, you're 1 of 5 people who will select the chairman of the board of this organization, and you don't even care who is chosen? Don't even know him? Have never spoken with him? Don't even interview him before deciding whether you want him chairing the board? You want to talk about faith, just keep on believing that one ....
3) If Obama is all innocence on this, and if Obama honestly didn't know who Ayers was and is, he's an idiot. Seriously. I live around Chicago. I knew who he was long before this election rolled around. Ayers' Daddy was CEO of Commonwealth Edison and a close friend of Mayor Daley the First.
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Then wouldn't it behoove us to get Chavez on our side? I don't get how biting the hand that feeds us (oil) helps us any.
I don't think it's possible to get Chavez on our side. He's not responding to US policies, after all, but his own need to consolidate his own power in his own country.
He can't do that without an enemy.
And what he's *doing* is going to drive his country into the ground. Is there disagreement on that? Does someone think that his policies are actually going to result in a strong economy in Venezuela? It's a train wreck in slo-mo.
And liberal ideals of freedom of expression and all that? He's the antithesis of any sort of social freedom of any kind, controlling the press and stifling dissent at every turn.
It's not just the free *market* he's destroying.
So how do we "get Chavez on our side?"
He's always going to need an external enemy to blame for the growing misery of the people there, to justify greater power for himself, and justify arresting people who stand up to say "Chavez is a fink!"
You know what we could do?
Open an immigration window... anyone who wants to come here from Venezuela between 2008-2010 gets right on the naturalization track.
It's not a slo-mo train wreck anymore but at least some more people might get off the train.
Isn't it more damaging that he didn't know?
We know where Ayers' philosophy leads. If Obama's seduced by that philosophy, he's in the category of useful idiot, yes?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Yes, that happened somewhere in the two decades the two were associated. (see, Wright, The Reverened)
Isn't it more damaging that he didn't know?
Seeing that it means that despite his Ivy League education he's every bit as uninformed about what happened in this country not very long ago as I am... yes. I mean, he's supposed to be better than me, or at least smarter, because he went to Harvard.
Granted, I might have known who Ayers was if I had occasion to live in his neighborhood and be on boards with him, even as incurious as I am, he's got me beat in that department.
And seeing that Ayers is still an activist with essentially the same goals and it's pretty impossible to believe that an activist doesn't make his ideas and goals front and center so Obama had to have known those quite well... and not caught on to the consequences of that belief system? Yes. Again.
But in the end, Obama wanted the approval of the people Ayers had the approval of.
The End.
former law student sez:
“[Chavez] is busily arranging an alliance with Russia against us.”
Then wouldn't it behoove us to get Chavez on our side? I don't get how biting the hand that feeds us (oil) helps us any.
As a result of the debate last night, where Barack Obama also spoke of Hugo Chavez's Venezuela as an enemy of this country, it sounds like you'd better apply your rhetorical skills to winning Obama over to your view that Chavez is somehow turnable into being a loyal friend of America.
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