Oktubre 2, 2008

Live-blogging the VP debate.

7:31, Central Time: I'm here, eating strozzapreti with burned tomato sauce, counting the last few minutes before the grand showdown.

7:39: Strozzapreti? "Priest choker"!

7:55: Are you going to watch on CNN, with the uncommitted viewers' reaction lines undulating at the bottom of the screen? Wow. That's crazy! I can't tolerate that distraction, and the "persuadable" voters they've assembled are... not people I feel like monitoring on a real-time basis.

7:58: What are you looking for, mainly? Honestly, I'm mainly looking to see if Sarah Palin can sound reasonably competent.

8:02: The 2 candidates stride out, both dressed in black. "Hey, can I call you Joe?" we hear Sarah say. Palin looks tiny behind her lectern. She's behind her lectern there, and here's where I am, chez Althouse:

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8:06: Palin's flag pin is way bigger than Biden's. Biden has a brown dot on his forehead. Palin refers to "the fundamental" of our economy. She's speaking too quickly, sounding nervous.

8:09: Whose fault is the sub-prime mortgage meltdown? Palin says the moneylenders have taken advantage of people, and she mentions "hockey moms" a second time. Biden blames Republican deregulation. Biden's forehead wrinkles only way over on the side, while the whole center is smooth and flat. What do you think? Botox?

8:13: Palin says she might not answer the questions the way the monitor wants, but she's going to talk straight to the American people. She reveals her overarching strategy. And I note that she's speaking clearly and confidently. There is no stumbling or fear, as far as I can see.

8:19: Joe Biden is going to "eliminate those wasteful spending."

8:27: I'll bet a lot of people are tuning out about now, satisfied that Palin is competent and smart, but pretty bored.

8:29: I'm reading Andrew Sullivan: "Biden is just dreadful. He speaks in Washingtonese. She just issues the soundbites and wrinkles her eyes and tells stories. And that works. The speed and chirpiness she delivers overwhelms one's ability to even quite absorb what she's saying. And it has put Biden off-stride. It's Biden who seems over-crammed." It seems to me that both of them are spewing policy (and it's getting tiresome). "Chirpiness"... I don't know, Andrew... that reads as sexist to me. Why is she overwhelming your ability to absorb what she's saying? Is she working some voodoo on you... and on Biden?

8:34: Palin said "Senator O'Biden."

8:35: Palin razzes Biden on clean coal. Is he for it or not? Biden says he's for it, and his rope-line comment was about his support for exporting clean coal technology to China. That doesn't seem to fit the text of his remark (which he claims was "taken out of context").

8:37: Biden passionately expresses support for equal treatment for same-sex couples, and Palin opposes same-sex marriage, but says that in all other ways she's completely tolerant of adults forming their own relationships. Biden then is given the opportunity to disavow gay marriage, which he eagerly does. Okaaaay.

8:40: Palin is praising the surge and insisting on victory in Iraq. "It would be a travesty if we quit now." Biden complains that she didn't state a plan. On the split screen, when Biden is speaking, Palin looks like she's brimming with ideas she's just waiting to express. When she gets her turn, she says Biden's plan is a "white flag of surrender." She reminds Biden of how much he supported McCain and how he said Obama was not ready to be President.

8:49: Biden is mugging and scratching his neck in an exaggerated way. I think he was trying to signal his objection to the things Palin was saying about Obama's willingness to sit down with Ahmadinejad.

8:51: Biden's heating up! Is he losing his temper?

8:55: At Drudge:



8:57: Well, let me ask:

Who's winning?
Palin.
Biden.
It's not about winning and losing in the debate.
Shut up! It's not over.
pollcode.com free polls


9:03: Palin enthuses over her Washington outsider status as she claims to hear Biden saying, essentially, I was for it before I was against it.

9:09: "Palin: 'Oh, man, it's so obvious that I'm a Washington outsider and just not used to the way you guys operate!' And then, Biden pats down his brow. On sheer theatrics, Palin definitely won that moment." LOL. That's Jac (my son), who's also live-blogging.

9:11: "There you go again. Say it ain't so, Joe." Palin was waiting to say that. Biden's error? Linking McCain to Bush. Palin seems supercharged. The question is education, and she's praising teachers and winking at her dad in the audience.

9:13: Palin gets a big laugh saying that she and Biden made "lame jokes" back in the beginning of the debate when they avoided answering the question what they wanted to do as VP. Clearly, she's really relaxed. The end is in sight, and she knows she's done well. She's stood her ground next to Biden. She hasn't stumbled, and he's seemed a bit boring.

9:25: Asked what he's changed his opinion about, Biden says he came to realize that judicial ideology matters. (Which is why he opposed Bork.) Palin says she's never had to compromise.

9:29: We've reached the prepared closing statements. So Palin has survived... more than survived. She won, I think most people will say. Now, she's able to say she likes to do these unscripted things. She quotes Ronald Reagan (again) and mentions "freedom" (again and again).

9:31: Biden gives his closing statement. He seems like a nice man. Did he ever attack her?

9:34: Huge crowd of family on the stage.

9:36: The final poll:

It's over now, so who won?
Biden
Palin
Neither
pollcode.com free polls

POST-DEBATE: Let me highlight some comments. Stupe said...
Althouse can't just eat normal foods, she needs trendy.

She doesn't go to chain restaurants, and her cuisine needs to reflect her offbeat, edgy, urbane, t[r]endy life.
Is burning the sauce now a trend? Or do I create the trend? If so, I can't help but be trendy. Is there a strozzapreti trend? I just picked the pasta that had a shape that appealed to me. So just be yourself, Stupe, and believe it's all very trendy, and that might make you happy. Don't think about me. Or, hell, think about me until it drives you crazy.

Ruth Anne Adams said...
The hair in [Sarah Palin's] eye is bothering my husband.
Ha ha. That was bugging me too. I was distracted thinking about whether she was distracted thinking about whether it would be more distracting to disentangle her bangs from her (false?) eyelashes than to allow the bangs-eye combo to continue as a single unit.

Lisa said...
So far, she sounds smart, sane and Republican.

The left will hate her. The right will agree with her.
(Lisa said baby on a night like this...)

vbspurs said...
Does Palin have ice water in her bloodstream or is it me?

She's almost too un-nervous. It's making me nervous!
LoafingOaf said...
What a twitchy, nervous wreck Palin is!
Palladian said...
Sarah Palin's pussy is gnawing at LoafingOaf's brain again.
vbspurs said...
OOOOOOH. A little lesbian tension between Palin and Ifill just now. HAWT.
(It's late-night Althouse.)

Michael_H said...
I don't want to channel surf--anyone know the Brewers/Phillies score?
Ruth Anne Adams said...
Gwen's questions SUCK! Too complex. Easily ignored.
Trooper York said...
Phillies won 5 to 2.

Go 2 up on the series.
Michael_H said...
Ifill keeps cutting Palin off, then letting Joey Plugs run as long as he wants.
Really?

vbspurs said...
The 'Mos are getting their questions now. Surprising nod to Palin by Ifill.

I smell a skunk. Or a fish taco.
!!!

ex-prosecutor said...
If these were two lawyers, arguing, to a jury, she'd be killing him.
palladian said...
God, the only thing more boring than a Vice Presidential debate is baseball. I'd rather listen to Joseph Biden filibuster than listen to people talk about baseball. I'd rather watch "An Inconvenient Truth" 100 times than listen to people talk about baseball. SHUT UP ABOUT BASEBALL.
vbspurs said...
Nice! "Not sane or stable" about Dinner Jacket.

THE CASTRO BROTHERS. She just won Florida, que rico!!!
lem said...
Gwen went off the script to help Joe!
michael_h said...
Love the way Palin smiles as she's making notes while Joey Plugs speaks.
chip ahoy said...
No fair! They televise the back of Biden's head to show all the work was done in the front.
lawgiver said...
Cuda is landing some major body shots now. Joe's eyes are glazed, he's going downnnnnn!
john stodder said...
Palin is just so damn normal.

On TV it looks weird to be normal.
goesh said...
500+ comments - holy wow

Palin's faster pace makes her come across as very competent/intelligent, a bit smarter than Biden - she sure the heck exudes confidence - what happened to the dummy from up north???? gone, gone, gone
palladian said...
I love the milling around parts of C-SPAN broadcasts. So much better than listening to talking heads blabber.
ricpic said...
Sarah's happy.

Lefty freaks can't stand happy.

But normal human beings love happy and love Sarah.
joan said...
Karl Rove just ticked off 10 major gaffes by Joe Biden. It was hysterical.
schorsch said...
Regardless of who won, Biden's tactic failed. He was there to debate Bush and McCain, and to ignore Palin as if she wasn't worthy of his attention. She engaged him, specifically, and was therefore the only person in the debate that was actually occurring.

MORE FROM THE COMMENTS: patca said...
I am soooo relieved--and very happy. She was fabulous.

I feel like smoking a cigarette.

1,045 komento:

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Dody Jane ayon kay ...

HA HA! My broken record - I love that one!

vbspurs ayon kay ...

The 'Mos are getting their questions now. Surprising nod to Palin by Ifill.

I smell a skunk. Or a fish taco.

Peter V. Bella ayon kay ...

This is the real America. Wrigley is packed. They are playing the National Anthem. The crowd is on their feet. Real Americans standing up and being patriotic. They don't do that at the debates; the media does not allow that.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Wait until foreign policy comes along

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

I just heard Biden say he and Obama support same sex marriage

muddimo ayon kay ...

Palin sounds like a really chipper small town mayor. But that is not good enough.

Trooper York ayon kay ...

I thought Palladian was a Beefeater man. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

blake ayon kay ...

Gay marriage is covered in the Constitution?

Why are we debating it, then?

Ex-prosecutor ayon kay ...

If these were two lawyers, arguing, to a jury, she'd be killing him.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Fish taco!!! arriba arriba!!

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Nice talking point rebuttal by Palin. "I have a wide variety of friends, including those who disagree with me."

I had no idea she was pals with P. Diddy.

Well, that makes it unanimous. None of the candidates believe in gay marriage.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Try to avoid nuance?

Gwen is pissed!

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

UH OH - Barack O does not support gay marriage

Ruth Anne Adams ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Trooper York ayon kay ...

The Cubs are gonna get smacked. Manny is gonna bitch slap them before he signs with the Yankees next year.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"Wonderful you agree". Sarcasm ill-becomes you, Miss Ifullofit.

muddimo ayon kay ...

Biden and Obama are for gay marriage.

Biden and Obama do not support gay marriage.

Something for everyone.

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

a few seconds later they don't support SSM

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

dody jane said...
UH OH - Barack O does not support gay marriage

8:39 PM


Some of my friends just cover their ears on that...

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Is it bad to say 'some of my best friends are gay'?

That's awkward, she used a much more elegant phrase of inclusiveness. :)

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

I was a theatre major - most of my best friends in college were gay

Mark ayon kay ...

Now will Biden come out against the Kyoto Protocols that lets China off the hook for those dirty coal plants?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

er...covered...

Trooper York ayon kay ...

Is her name Gwen Ifill or Gwen Snootfull?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"With all due respect, I didn't hear a plan"

I didn't hear a point, Clueless Joe.

Palladian ayon kay ...

"Some of my friends just cover their ears on that..."

Yes, liberals and gay people ignore the fact that Obama doesn't support same-sex marriage. Or, worse, they say he does but that he just has to say he doesn't to get elected.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

I was a theatre major - most of my best friends in college were gay

I have no gay friends at the moment. They all moved to Wasilla.

bleeper ayon kay ...

Perry Mason was gay. Della was not doing him, the DA might have been under Perry's table, but Della worked the other side of the Street.

In keeping with the spirit of this part of the "debate", also known as Ifill wants her some 'bama.

Jeremy ayon kay ...

Nice to see the Obamabots are living up to their name and parroting the pre-debate gameplan of insisting Palin is dumb, and anything smart she says was written for her. Sadly, I'm sure the press will report it that way (since in some cases, they've already written their stories about the debate before it happened)

muddimo ayon kay ...

Biden: plan = timeline

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He wants a scheduled withdrawal...what will Obama (PBUH) say??

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

I hope she knows John McCain's plan

Mark ayon kay ...

So the Obama/Biden ticket is against gay marriage?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"Your plan is a white flag of surrender in Iraq"

OUCH. PUNCH!

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

A white flag - yes!!!

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Joe looks like smoke will come out of his ears

mishu ayon kay ...

Zambrano just struck out Ramirez to go 3 up, 3 down. Oops! Wrong channel.

AlphaLiberal ayon kay ...

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Uh oh. wrong choice of drinking words.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

"Your plan is a white flag of surrender"

One round, straight into the twelve ring.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

slap, slap

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Did his face just hit the podium or did I imagine that??

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Palin is on the attack!

Revenant ayon kay ...

I liked Palin's response on gay marriage. She seemed convincing to me in saying that she doesn't have a personal problem with gay people.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Mark, yes they ALL are against gay marriage. The gays are getting hosed with this troop of pols.

BTW, Palin is on a roll. She is super professional. The Couric interview is a DISTANT memory right now. This is GOVERNOR Freaking Palin.

Trooper York ayon kay ...

How come all these ex-Yankee managers just have to go to the National League to win.

Except for Willie Randolph. Who was only a coach. Of course the Mets suck, so that's a big part of the explanation.

Palladian ayon kay ...

"The gays are getting hosed with this troop of pols."

Um, poor choice of verbs.

Mark ayon kay ...

Obama/Biden was wrong about the surge. They were wrong about the Iraqi government getting their act together.

muddimo ayon kay ...

Biden, is good now. He's right about foolish Bush admin optimism.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He's channeling his mother!

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Biden pulls out a mommy reference. Palin might pull out a breast to nurse him.

bleeper ayon kay ...

Biden's plan = surrender to jihadis. He's a democrat, don't you know, the political arm of al Qaeda.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Biden get's the last word every time!

Lisa ayon kay ...

Biden's an ass.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Um, poor choice of verbs.

I wanted to give you a frisson.

Palladian ayon kay ...

God, the only thing more boring than a Vice Presidential debate is baseball. I'd rather listen to Joseph Biden filibuster than listen to people talk about baseball. I'd rather watch "An Inconvenient Truth" 100 times than listen to people talk about baseball. SHUT UP ABOUT BASEBALL.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

palladian said...
"The gays are getting hosed with this troop of pols."

Um, poor choice of verbs.

8:45 PM


Amen

Lisa ayon kay ...

Senator Biden: Pakistan's leaders don't make threatening comments about the demise of Israel every month or so. Pakistan's leaders don't go to the UN and make anti-Semitic speeches every year.

thegreatsatan ayon kay ...

no penis = inability to pay attention for excitable andy

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Biden sounds pissed!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Biden just said "Let's get straight..."

Is that a different answer on the gay marriage issue? Or has he sensed the girl-girl tension in the room?

Alex ayon kay ...

alpha - we know you're hear to rub our noses in Obama's near certain victory. Why don't you show a little CLASS and bow out?

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

a Bit a patriotic trivia

Palin calls Biden's Flag lapel pin and raises with a Flag and a Blue Star Mother pin :)

David ayon kay ...

"'Here's the deal' is always followed by a load of bullshit." - I nominate this for Post of the Night.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Wow is Joe Biden really boring and irrelevant.

Ifullofit is laying a trap for Palin to say nucular again.

Methadras ayon kay ...

A madrassa is a school you fool, Biden.

Palladian ayon kay ...

"I wanted to give you a frisson."

I don't get frissons from girls. Besides, Ernie already gave me a frisson earlier talking about his big tall tower.

Lisa ayon kay ...

Did Biden just say he would go into Pakistan if they had intelligeence on Bin Laden??????

We'ld go attack our ally?

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

I hope she points out Al Queda (sp?) can't function out of Iraq anymore and THAT's why they will have to resort to Pakistan again

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

She said the mad mans name without flinchin!

Alex ayon kay ...

I'll agree with Biden on one thing - madrassas are bad.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Nice! "Not sane or stable" about Dinner Jacket.

THE CASTRO BROTHERS. She just won Florida, que rico!!!

Trooper York ayon kay ...

Just think about it in terms of pitchers and catchers and it will be easier for you to swallow. So to speak.

David ayon kay ...

Biden has had eye surgery--that's why he looks so strange. It's not Botox, it's the knife.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

She remembered the Castroides!!

But she needs to stop saying that word...

Mark ayon kay ...

Obama doesn't have the experience to be President.

Biden does, but he's not at the top of the ticket.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Dinner Jacket better not try to negotiate with a mom of 5.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Going native here and drinking Presidente Brandy from mexico. Palin looks a bit edgy nervous, but seems to be getting better. Joe actually sounds somewhat reasonable. Joe did however completly lose me on the causes of GW.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Gwen is out to help Joe -

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Gwen is tripping over words - how can this be?

Alex ayon kay ...

Victoria - to be fair Dinner Jacket is just the sock puppet of the Grand Islamic Council of Iran. His "instability" is just theirs.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"I schmoozed with Kissinger for an hour. I looked in his eyes, and saw three words: K. G. B."

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Gwen went off the script to help Joe!

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Gwen is definitely helping Joe

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

She's hammering him on that question...

Mark ayon kay ...

Castro was minor league pitcher in the US before he got cut.

If he had made it to the big leagues, we would be smoking cuban cigars now.

JAL ayon kay ...

So Gwen can't state a question clearly (Baker twice while she fumbles). Who is the candidate?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Can we talk? Biden channels Joan Rivers.

mishu ayon kay ...

So Obama should sit down and talk with the theocracy?

Alex ayon kay ...

Biden making my previous point that Dinner Jacket is just a sock puppet.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

TALK TALK TALK - Joe is auditioning to be the talker

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Joe sounds pissed again!

Palladian ayon kay ...

"Just think about it in terms of pitchers and catchers and it will be easier for you to swallow. So to speak."

See, if you were talking about the player's massive legs and tight uniforms stretched over their fleshy asses then I would totally be a baseball fan.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Has Biden heard of Youtube?? The One (PBUH) has been recorded saying "no preconditions"

The Clintons hammered him on it!

Alex ayon kay ...

Swing voters do want our POTUS to sit down with the grand ayatollah apparently - looking at the polls.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Palin is doing well despite the fact that Ifullofit is in the tank for Bammer-Biden.

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

Bden does the:

"Obama never said he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad"

that's a distinction without a difference if you go to the Obama debate tape

Peter V. Bella ayon kay ...

God, the only thing more boring than a Vice Presidential debate is baseball.

Ya know, Palladian, I always liked you. Now I am not so sure of your patriotism.

Trooper York ayon kay ...

Politics is like baseball. Joe Biden is Don Zimmer. Sarah Palin is Kevin McReynolds.

(Obscure Met reference to annoy Doyle)

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Gwen trows Paling the tougf questions - softballs for Biden.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

NICE. Jerusalem mention by Palin. My goodness, she sounds sharp about foreign policy.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

She is kinda good at swerving away from Joe's wonky stuff

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"Or something to that effect" read, is my hairplug showing?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

She's talking about Joe Biden in third person...oi effing vey!

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Joe Biden is friend of Israel? what about Obama?

Palladian ayon kay ...

"(Obscure Met reference to annoy Doyle)"

You don't have to annoy Doyle. Doyle is always annoyed.

Mark ayon kay ...

Come on Joe, Obama was a member of a anti-Israel church for 20 years.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

We kicked Hezbolla out of Lebanon?? When??

Lisa ayon kay ...

She called Obama naive!!!

Love her!

Alex ayon kay ...

Swing voters want:

* throw Israel under the bus
* attack our ally Pakistan
* have our POTUS come on bended knee to the Grand Ayatollah


all evidence by the latest polls....

AlphaLiberal ayon kay ...

We can't talk to Spain! The rain in Spain will never fall on McCain.

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

Biden is reinventing the Lebanon history

JAL ayon kay ...

So he is batter friend to Israel than Joe Lieberman?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

I meant he was talking about himself in the third person.

JAL ayon kay ...

better, not batter.

Who's watching baseball?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Split screen - 'Cuda does a really good Tina Fey imitation of Sara Palin.

Jeez...Joey Plugs is getting really pissed. Look at his mouth. And you can hear him breathing through his nose.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

OOOOOOOOOO

Alex ayon kay ...

Do we all love Israel? I don't think so - ask AlphaLiberal...

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Palin is on the attack!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

AL, you may be a fairy, but not a lady, buzz off.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

(My Firefox is acting up again)

Good exchange just now from both candidates about Israel.

Palladian ayon kay ...

"Swing voters want:

* throw Israel under the bus
* attack our ally Pakistan
* have our POTUS come on bended knee to the Grand Ayatollah

all evidence by the latest polls...."

These are people who are too stupid and uninformed to decide whether they're liberals or conservatives. C'mon what do you expect?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

GEORGE BUSHES.

Christy ayon kay ...

Anyone else notice that Biden is talking to Gwen and not Palin. He has twice started an answer with "Gwen, ...."

Again as I typed.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Joe is getting screechy

Alex ayon kay ...

Waiting to hear from:

AlphaLiberal
UWS
FLS
Michael

about their love of Israel.

Mark ayon kay ...

Note to Joe, GW Bush isn't running for re-election.

Salamandyr ayon kay ...

So...can we get these two at the top of the ticket?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Hezzzbollah is Biden's Pah-kees-tan.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

"Past is prologue, Gwen."

*grins*

*kittens die*

"Joe, please stop doing that. It's scaring the children."

Palladian ayon kay ...

Ifill is a disgrace. I wish Jim Lehrer could fire her.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Welcome to the Jong-Il.

bleeper ayon kay ...

Their love of Isreal is undiminished. It is as great a love as Amadinijihadmofo's.

JAL ayon kay ...

Is the Gov allowed to respond to Senator Joe? Israel's best friend ever in the Senate? Gwen keeps moving on.

Alex ayon kay ...

Victoria - I also noticed how Obama & Biden pronounce those places using the Arabic pronunciation instead of American.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Yes - the surge principles need to be implemented in Afghanistan

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Ifullofit giving every last word to Biden. FIXED.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

chip ahoy said...
"Past is prologue, Gwen."

*grins*

*kittens die*

"Joe, please stop doing that. It's scaring the children."

8:57 PM


He scares the children all the time. Just look at that hair.

Mark ayon kay ...

Good point by Palin about Obama's comments about US Troops in Afghanistan.

Nichevo ayon kay ...

You're right, Ifill is just trying to get Palin to say "nucular." What was that question? Nuclear trigger? Yes, we have them. Should they be replaced with ones made out of sugar candy?

I do like how she pushes out her points. No point waiting for anything resembling help. Bam bam bam.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

"Not Joe Biden". Stop referring to yourself in the third person! You're worse than Bob Dole.

Mark ayon kay ...

Joe, isn't more troops and money the "surge principle."

Alex ayon kay ...

One thing I can say, with Obama throwing Israel to the Arab wolves - it virtually guarantees an massive Israeli bombing attack on Iran in 2009...

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

I think Gwen comes out looking BAD... she is in the tank, treading water, splashing Sarah

Ruth Anne Adams ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Palladian ayon kay ...

"about their love of Israel."

Why do American politicians have to declare their "love" for Israel? I think support and admiration is enough. American politicians should love America.

mishu ayon kay ...

Gwen keeps baiting Sarah say, "nukular".

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Bidens blumbling

Alex ayon kay ...

palladin - come on. Don't you love Israel?

I'm Full of Soup ayon kay ...

You guys are doing great.

Give some thought to how you think the MSM talking heads will score it and what excuses they will make for Biden.....

i.e well Gov. Palin has been hiding and prepping and studying for five weeks,etc (typed that in my David Broder voice heh).

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Thank God Joe Biden wasn't set after Osama Bin Laden. He wouldn't find him, anymore than he can find a point.

(Biden SIGHS)

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

*fumbling with the microphone*

"This will make me look better. Ouch!"

Alex ayon kay ...

It's all Biden knows how to do - attack, attack, attack. I wonder why swing voters love this.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Biden sigh!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Joe Biden walks into Hair Club For Men, points to his head, and says "drill here, drill now."

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

MSM will say Biden won, Oh the gravitas...

Paul Hogue ayon kay ...

Biden's now offering angry lectures at every answer...

At first he was overwhelming Palin's responses with facts. Now he's the crotchety professor you hated in college.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Was that the third or fourth time Biden sighed into his microphone?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Gwen Ifill: "Senator?"

With a tone of voice saying, why aren't we killing this mooseshooting moron already?!

David ayon kay ...

"Shut up about fucking Polar Bears."

Palladian, does Sarah Palin fuck Polar Bears? Why should we shut up about an issue like that.

Alex ayon kay ...

Palin would be a fantastic candidate for POTUS in 2012, too bad she's stuck to such an idiot this year...

Nichevo ayon kay ...

Discussion of reuse of Iraq COIN tactics (the surge) in AF is interesting, substantive. Both sides actually.

I am losing the thread on this Palin-is-a-bimbo thing, though. Libs, help me!

Palladian ayon kay ...

"palladin - come on. Don't you love Israel?"

It's Palladian, and no, I don't "love" Israel or any other country besides my own. I respect Israel very much, but why "love" another country?

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

"Joe Biden walks into Hair Club For Men, points to his head, and says "drill here, drill now."

THIS IS SO FUNNY

Ruth Anne Adams ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
vbspurs ayon kay ...

I don't know what happened, but this isn't the Palin of the last two weeks. At the very least, the less feral of the Dems out there have to admit she is doing well, holding her own, and getting her points in with aplomb.

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

28 more minutes - I can hardly wait to be done!

Ruth Anne Adams ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

He said it was mistake, but gave the president the power to go to Iraq, and throws Lugger under the bus again...

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

WHY DOES HE GET TO FILIBUSTER?

Ruth Anne Adams ayon kay ...
Naalis ng may-ari ang komentong ito.
vbspurs ayon kay ...

"Aww man" "You guys"!!

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

Love the way Palin smiles as she's making notes while Joey Plugs speaks.

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

I can't make Biden's math work: "We have spent more in 3 weeks in combat in Iraq than we have in the entire Afghan war"

3 weeks versus 312 weeks?

I can't see it as a 1-100 weekly burn rate

Halfwit Joe ayon kay ...

Biden: Commander in Afghanistan says surge won't work.

International Herald Tribune headline yesterday: U.S. general urges troop surge in Afghanistan
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/01/mideast/military.php)

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

She's folksy

vbspurs ayon kay ...

WHY DOES HE GET TO FILIBUSTER?

He was pissed Lugar took all his floor time yesterday.

nelda ayon kay ...

What's the deal? It's true, Joey Hairplugs DOES get the last word.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

No fair! They televise the back of Biden's head to show all the work was done in the front.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

She's folksy

You little STINKER.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

halfwit joe said...
Biden: Commander in Afghanistan says surge won't work.

International Herald Tribune headline yesterday: U.S. general urges troop surge in Afghanistan
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/01/mideast/military.php)

9:04 PM


"That headline never exist, tovarich! NEVER! Lies!! ALL LIES!!"

Dody Jane ayon kay ...

Excellent ! Tell what you did for Darfur! Sarah -' I may not have been there - but I am doing what I can!'

Mark ayon kay ...

What are the US interests in Darfur?

Peter V. Bella ayon kay ...

Waiting to hear from:

AlphaLiberal
UWS
FLS
Michael

about their love of Israel.

The progressives are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel. They have been for years. Thet think the Palestinians got screwed when they ran out in 1948 for no reason and had to live in self imposed camps.

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Again Quens soft peddles Biden!

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Nice mindfake at the start of the debate by Palin:

"May I call you Joe?"

She hasn't once called him Joe.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

This will reveal my age bracket...Is Sara Palin the new Sam Irvin?

Nichevo ayon kay ...

Listen to him dance!

vbspurs ayon kay ...

McCain = Cheney.

Before it was McCain = Bush. Any moment he'll work himself down to McCain = Pelosi.

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

vbspurs said...
She's folksy

You little STINKER.

9:05 PM


*MUAH*

I'm Full of Soup ayon kay ...

Ruth Ann:

Between innings, I caught that too when Biden said "I gave the president the power".

What an arrogant buffoon Biden is.

Chip Ahoy ayon kay ...

Joe has a great stylist.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

WTF, IFILL. The Matt Damon talking point. Low blow.

AlphaLiberal ayon kay ...

McCain knows how to win a war? What war has he won?

vbspurs ayon kay ...

Sam Irvin? Wasn't he the fat comic who screamed in the microphone, who died?

The Drill SGT ayon kay ...

Ifill used the "and if your Principal dies and you take over...."

Lisa ayon kay ...

This is the most important election since 1932?

Really? Based on what?

Hindi-nagpakilala ayon kay ...

We haven't won a war since 1932? huh?

Lem Vibe Bandit ayon kay ...

Does Joe have botox?

notice how his eyebrows look like a volkan

I'm Full of Soup ayon kay ...

Cubs are going to blow this game it looks like. Just made about three errors in this inning and it ain't over. Sacks are loaded and 2 runs have scored and I don't think the Dodgers have hit the ball out of the infield.

vbspurs ayon kay ...

I noticed the Vulcanised eyebrows too.

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