tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post9011644661827291638..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: What to make of this leak from "a senior administration official" to the NYT about a U.S.-Iran agreement to negotiate over nuclear power?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16358708178920163902012-10-22T00:55:02.258-05:002012-10-22T00:55:02.258-05:00how did the last "no preconditions" talk...how did the last "no preconditions" talks with iran work 2 years ago?john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83830255936939151742012-10-21T19:47:06.702-05:002012-10-21T19:47:06.702-05:00The message implies that this is an end run around...The message implies that this is an end run around those dangerous Israeli Jews. The antisemitic Dems will see it as a brilliant Obama redistribution of nuclear weapons umbrella to save the weak little Muslims.<br /><br />Bibi promptly issued a statement that Israel is not in the loop on Obama's end run.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6746369610915220112012-10-21T14:40:39.531-05:002012-10-21T14:40:39.531-05:00An obvious attempt at an "October surprise&qu...An obvious attempt at an "October surprise", but it will fail because negotiations != Iran giving up their nuclear weapons program. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55618975188245901902012-10-21T14:24:33.503-05:002012-10-21T14:24:33.503-05:00It is nothing but testing the polling waters.
It is nothing but testing the polling waters.<br />Peter V. Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209902525167395224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58794397949628080852012-10-21T13:53:09.535-05:002012-10-21T13:53:09.535-05:00Sounds like a secret plan.Sounds like a secret plan.Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65118891183490684082012-10-21T13:00:44.077-05:002012-10-21T13:00:44.077-05:00Let me see, what was the name of that movie about ...Let me see, what was the name of that movie about a fake WH attempt to help POTUS win re-election? Was it "Wag The Dog" or was it "Eat Tha Dog"? Oh wait, Obama is the one who ate the dog.From Inwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555545963289759013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65260855023747275882012-10-21T12:52:27.677-05:002012-10-21T12:52:27.677-05:00Obama loves it both ways always. "...These ac...Obama loves it both ways always. "...These acts of terror." It isn't a terrorist attack until it is a terrorist attack.<br /><br />That slight of tongue single-handedly saved Obama/doomed Romney in the last debate.Damonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00887429623604712899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16494095720968208262012-10-21T12:13:30.081-05:002012-10-21T12:13:30.081-05:00Furious - that's exactly right...
I just watc...Furious - that's exactly right...<br /><br />I just watched "The Missles of October" the other night. One of the then Administrations deepest convictions was that to negotiate meant (paraphrase) "giving something up" in return. It was unacceptable. It was blackmail.<br /><br />Yes - the missiles in Turkey were dismantled, but they were obsolete anyway so they were NOT something in return. Instead they served the diplomatic and political purpose, and even then somewhat after the fact, instead of during the peak of tensions during those 13 days.BaltoHvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176493014765168358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78278709151486417942012-10-21T11:57:25.313-05:002012-10-21T11:57:25.313-05:00"Agreement to negotiate"?
Pretty weak t..."Agreement to negotiate"?<br /><br />Pretty weak tea for an October Surprise.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45626063926591425792012-10-21T11:51:15.735-05:002012-10-21T11:51:15.735-05:00C4 - I did not mean to infer WE needed to do a Bay...C4 - I did not mean to infer WE needed to do a Bay of Pigs.<br /><br />I meant that the lack of a serious response in support of the up-rising may have help nurture a larger and more protracted internal response. The sham elections, and indeed the street murder(s?) that took place could have been more of catalyst for the protests to become like those in '79, except in a direction of true democracy.<br /><br />The "Students" of '79 were also under the thumb of a totalitarian regime, and they eventually had a successful revolution.<br /><br />The momentum toward a free Iran was beginning, and the opportunity to support it externally was lost.BaltoHvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176493014765168358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25698922125721677662012-10-21T11:44:51.757-05:002012-10-21T11:44:51.757-05:00Tyrone Slothrop@11:03
Nailed it. No more needs s...Tyrone Slothrop@11:03<br /><br />Nailed it. No more needs said.CWJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598487232861475833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41533377168633093652012-10-21T11:23:33.704-05:002012-10-21T11:23:33.704-05:00BaltoHvar - "The opportunity in '09 was s...BaltoHvar - "The opportunity in '09 was squandered to make real, serious, liberating re-revolution in that sad, oppressed country. All that was heard from the WH then was "fore."<br /><br />----------------<br />You are deluding yourself if you think the "Green Revolution and Martyred Nena" was anything but a modest-sized revolt by mostly well-to-do urban elite youth against a much larger part of the population that has gone along with or completely supports the current Islamist regime.<br /><br />People that compared crowd sizes to those that rose up against the Shah conclude it was 20-23 times less people demonstrating and marching. (and back then, the secret police, the Savak, was as brutal on people that crossed political lines and lines of authority as the Mullahs and Revolutionary Guard are now).<br /><br />Going into Iran on that would be akin to deluding ourselves like we did at the Bay of Pigs - where the Batista exiles convinced American leaders and themselves that they would be welcomed as Freedom Lovers! and swept back into Havana with the support and adulation of the masses. <br /><br />Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5286895708120770052012-10-21T11:21:52.220-05:002012-10-21T11:21:52.220-05:00Cedarford worries about "Israeli intransigenc...Cedarford worries about "Israeli intransigence."<br /><br />When your country is 6 miles across, you will probably be "intransigent" on the things that will kill you.Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26907843988562671312012-10-21T11:12:56.402-05:002012-10-21T11:12:56.402-05:00Mary - "It's not enough that Iran develop...Mary - "It's not enough that Iran develop, but not use nukes (think Israel); the president can't be seen as "permitting" such an action. Egypt is hankering to join the club too now -- if Israel started the race there, she can't deny others the opportunity to compete likewise.<br /><br />Or she couldn't without US muscle backing her up. Talk about girls who want to have it all..."<br /><br />===================<br />At one time, Keenan and the rest of the "Containment crowd" pretty much had the ME and Indian subcontinent figured out. <br /><br />Nuclear umbrellas, bulwark against Soviet incursion and Indian expansion offered. A check on Brit, French, Zionist colonialism - demonstrated when we shut down the 3 agressors in the Suez War in 1956. Even in the 70s and 80s, the existence of Israeli WMDs was not seen as destabilizing or something other nations military strategists thought they needed to get the technology, educations, infrastructure - then prograns - to match. <br /><br />Things have deteriorated over the years. The fear of the Soviets is gone from the Muslims, the Great Islamic Awakening has meant our interests further diverge. The US has failed badly in the post-Soviet world dealing with the rise of Islam as the primary focus of many Muslim nations. Failed to work out how to get a nuclear free ME. (Mainly on the Israel Lobby's intransigience, then Palestinian intransigience, US desire to keep things as they are, then Islamist intransigence)<br /><br />Now, unfortunately, it makes some sense in the absence of treaties and understandings - for nations in the ME to challenge the Israeli WMD monopoly.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16930830168040982522012-10-21T11:11:33.047-05:002012-10-21T11:11:33.047-05:00What this does is freeze the Israelis in place for...What this does is freeze the Israelis in place for four months, to the advantage of the Iranians and Obama.<br /><br />It also allows Obama to duck all iran questions.<br /><br />After the election, both sides know Obama will have more flex. <br /><br />The Drill SGThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16394309533144027391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86427065035328280472012-10-21T11:05:01.566-05:002012-10-21T11:05:01.566-05:00Unless Bibi and Dinnerjacket are in town lacing up...Unless Bibi and Dinnerjacket are in town lacing up their camping boots for a hike in the Maryland country-side, this means little.<br /><br />Even Jimmah had that feather in his Billy Beer cap and lost.<br /><br />The opportunity in '09 was squandered to make real, serious, liberating re-revolution in that sad, oppressed country. All that was heard from the WH then was "fore."BaltoHvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176493014765168358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32483720389576318502012-10-21T11:03:28.786-05:002012-10-21T11:03:28.786-05:00This is so obviously a political ploy it hardly de...This is so obviously a political ploy it hardly deserves attention. As Althouse says, that it was leaked shows that the administration wants to have it both ways. But this is just par for the course for the politically naive Obamites. I am more deeply suspicious of the Iranians. Since at least 1979 they have been quite aware that they can influence American elections, and this is just the latest example. They have had their way with Obama, and are pleased with his abandonment of Israel. They'll do whatever they can to lower Romney's chances, but this noise about face-to-face talks is just that. After the election, they will delay, temporize, and then walk out. That's just how they roll.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10922634643720739212012-10-21T10:51:43.781-05:002012-10-21T10:51:43.781-05:00Romney could say: Oh, really! Does Iran agree to s...Romney could say: Oh, really! Does Iran agree to stop their nukes or agree to talk later? Talk is cheap, you know? In the mean time, Egypt wants Iranian nukes too. If Iran is going to stop, what are the Egyptians going to buy with our 400+ million dollars that your administration released to them? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13073603223738853192012-10-21T10:37:42.155-05:002012-10-21T10:37:42.155-05:00They want to fire up their base to get out the vot...They want to fire up their base to get out the vote, while not allowing the Rs to be able to refute it.<br /><br />It's all about firing up the base and getting out the vote.Dantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07393170116669470751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37464950227827047492012-10-21T10:34:25.318-05:002012-10-21T10:34:25.318-05:00Garage: "Is there nothing this great man won&...Garage: "Is there nothing this great man won't do to keep us safe from terrorists?"<br /><br />Yes, there is something this man won't do to keep "us" safe from terrorists.<br /><br />He won't provide additional US security (to augment/replace 3rd party outsourced libyan local security provided thru a UK security company)to support an American Ambassador in a muslim country on the anniversary of 9-11 which has a destabilized government (due to the obama admin overthrowing the ruling regime without Congressional approval or consultation) and a significant and increasing Al Qaeda presence EVEN after multiple requests for additonal security requested by the security chief and the (now dead) Ambassador himself.<br /><br />Is that what you meant?Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079148433908004715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67109566130273627892012-10-21T10:30:58.991-05:002012-10-21T10:30:58.991-05:00Also, Romney can use the "why now and not 2 y...Also, Romney can use the "why now and not 2 years ago" line. Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9190833225146986072012-10-21T10:30:07.422-05:002012-10-21T10:30:07.422-05:00The trouble with having a diplomatic breakthrough ...The trouble with having a diplomatic breakthrough with Iran is that no one actually trusts Iran. So, in a way, it makes Obama look naive. <br /><br />Like any agreement with North Korea. <br /><br />We all know they will break it, so giving them something in return for promises might make Obama look weaker. Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73258935420266329392012-10-21T10:29:05.439-05:002012-10-21T10:29:05.439-05:00This does nothing but stress (again) the confusion...This does nothing but stress (again) the confusion and mismanagement of the current White House. I don't see how this is going to help Obama in the Monday debate. In fact I see it as offering Romney any number of openings to crush our amateur president while continuing to appear polite and good humored.<br /><br />Maybe the Clintons are behind this!khesanh0802https://www.blogger.com/profile/11792377924992548208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7388199924528917142012-10-21T10:28:56.272-05:002012-10-21T10:28:56.272-05:00The bottom paragraphs are some sort of Lorem ipsum...The bottom paragraphs are some sort of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" rel="nofollow">Lorem ipsum</a>, nonsensical space holder.Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754684233296448192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78367055958810386752012-10-21T10:28:10.255-05:002012-10-21T10:28:10.255-05:00There is no possibility of an agreement...that Ira...There is no possibility of an agreement...that Iran would keep, even if there is an "agreement".<br /><br />Methinks Mitt could use this as a cudgel.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.com