tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8982443657691146376..comments2024-03-18T21:25:32.235-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Daily Caller gets jazzed up about something Michelle Obama wrote in law school in 1988.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50694541356995802092012-08-16T15:41:48.110-05:002012-08-16T15:41:48.110-05:00I don't get this. It's all right to expoun...I don't get this. It's all right to expound academically on BS as long as your language isn't as extremist as can be? The fact that it's still BS is not relevant?Tiborehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360541843865827271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32692311198935607272012-08-16T14:35:38.324-05:002012-08-16T14:35:38.324-05:00Not enough to demand quotas of women and black fac...Not enough to demand quotas of women and black faculty -- (black female amputees?) -- they had to be <b>tenured</b> or <b>tenure track.</b><br /><br />Bully and intellectually dishonest.JALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15503869597362866878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59787679707553132292012-08-16T14:12:22.378-05:002012-08-16T14:12:22.378-05:00So why do you assume she's just parroting back...So why do you assume she's just parroting back what she considers bs. Maybe she swallowed the whole thing hook, line and sinker. Isn't that somewhat predictable from someone who thinks her country downright mean and in which she had never been proud?jvermeer51https://www.blogger.com/profile/14133322863326210581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11649687668423116622012-08-16T03:24:21.053-05:002012-08-16T03:24:21.053-05:00Regardless of whether "She said exactly what ...Regardless of whether "She said exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say at that time to please her superiors and to gain favor" or really thought/think along these lines, neither paint her in good light. Norahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15401100627066769252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56053455336721557942012-08-15T20:46:45.766-05:002012-08-15T20:46:45.766-05:00Think about how depressing Althouse's job woul...Think about how depressing Althouse's job would be if she didn't believe in her heart that college students would grow out of it.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48492102003103654572012-08-15T18:17:59.784-05:002012-08-15T18:17:59.784-05:00Prof. AA,
She said exactly what you'd expect ...Prof. AA,<br /><br /><i>She said exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say at that time to please her superiors and to gain favor.</i><br /><br />And you can't see any negatives in that? Seriously?<br /><br />Look, I was a liberal arts (not law) grad student for several years starting in 1989, at a university possibly even better known for radicalism than your own. Did some students do the liberal/radical faculty suck-up dance? Yes, of course they did. (It took slightly different forms in my department, but it went on, and certainly you could see the same dynamic playing itself out all over the university.) <br /><br />The point is: Most did not. The people who shared the then-favored race/gender/SES line of thought honestly embraced it in their coursework. The people who didn't mostly tried to avoid the subject, apart from a combative small minority who fought the whole <i>Zeitgeist.</i> (Max Boot, now long since at the <i>WSJ,</i> was one of those. I must say he's mellowed out quite a lot since his days as the token right-wing attack dog at the <i>Daily Cal.</i>)<br /><br />My point is that if you write like that, either you're sucking up to The Powers That Be, or you really believe what you're writing. It was perfectly possible (yes, even in 1988) not to do either.Michelle Dulak Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18041391162535875301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28919632588043304532012-08-15T18:01:40.506-05:002012-08-15T18:01:40.506-05:00She said exactly what you'd expect someone in ...<i>She said exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say <b>at that time</b> to please her superiors and to gain favor.</i><br /><br />To which I would say "ho-hum", as well, except that now 24 years later a cohort (mayors, school district superintendents, Dep't Chairs, University Presidents, Dep'y Sec'y's of such-and-such)of like mindset are now entrenced in our daily lives. We'll be reaping the whirlwind for years to come.furious_ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239113391394176670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3867383188065015302012-08-15T17:11:35.745-05:002012-08-15T17:11:35.745-05:00every single thing she wrote looks completely bana...every single thing she wrote looks completely banal by the standards of 1988.<br /><br><br />I thought Althouse was scared off by ideology? jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64946486652135715602012-08-15T16:48:15.396-05:002012-08-15T16:48:15.396-05:00Having read the Althouse blog for some time, every...Having read the Althouse blog for some time, every single thing she writes in defense of leftist academic anti-white/Asian/Jewish racism looks completely banal by the standards of leftist academic racists. She says exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say. I'd knock her for a lack of originality and daring, but mostly for moral cowardice.bgateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094313567630214207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39727053373204288202012-08-15T16:24:08.482-05:002012-08-15T16:24:08.482-05:00Althouse: "She said exactly what you'd e...Althouse: "She said exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say at that time to please her superiors and to gain favor."<br /><br />I hate to go all Godwin, but that shit didn't fly for Adolf Eichmann, and it won't fly with Michelle Obama. Right and wrong aren't relative and don't change with the changing times. Putting attitudes into historical context doesn't make much sense when you're talking about a period of just 20 or 30 years.<br /><br />I've read enough of your writing to have a pretty firm opinion that you're a very principled person, Althouse. I find some of your recent posts to be profoundly confusing.<br /><br />When I read your post about having a fear of all ideologues, I thought: That's odd. These are just very principled people who are steadfast in their beliefs. Why would you fear them for consistency? Sure, if they're consistently evil Marxist or Nazi bastards, then they're fearsome. But...libertarian ideologues? Not very scary.<br /><br />And now you're defending a hard-left ideologue: Michelle Obama's attitudes don't appear to have evolved over time. No biggie, that was par for the course at that time, you say.<br /><br />Very strange, Althouse. Up your game!Pastafarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008215139954260401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88974938211993062392012-08-15T16:00:30.335-05:002012-08-15T16:00:30.335-05:00Ann,
She said exactly what you'd expect someo...Ann,<br /><br /><i>She said exactly what you'd expect someone in her place and position to say at that time to please her superiors and to gain favor. </i><br /><br />Are you really so stupid as to think this is a solid defense of overt racism? Well it's totally okay to be a racist in 1998! That's just what you would expect for that place and time. <br /><br />Racism is racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80118254939782864782012-08-15T14:58:20.627-05:002012-08-15T14:58:20.627-05:00Can you name a major Progressive now whose views c...<i>Can you name a major Progressive now whose views changed?</i><br /><br />David Horowitz. Thomas Sowell.<br /><br />These are deep thinkers. Their youthful judgement was impaired.<br /><br />On the other hand, among righties who turned left, we have Davids Frum and Brooks. Not deep thinkers, and their judgement was and remains impaired.Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90274951881278540782012-08-15T14:35:37.970-05:002012-08-15T14:35:37.970-05:00Is this information new? I thought during the 2008...Is this information new? I thought during the 2008 this was revealed.<br /><br />======<br /><br />It was her earlier Princeton thesis somewhat covering some of the same thoughts.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html" rel="nofollow">Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide</a>lemondoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606734670170393751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35354952303995370792012-08-15T14:34:40.536-05:002012-08-15T14:34:40.536-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.lemondoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606734670170393751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41999060387331234492012-08-15T14:19:26.725-05:002012-08-15T14:19:26.725-05:00OK, so we're not to place any significance in ...OK, so we're not to place any significance in the fact that Michelle is simply an intellectual product of her time, place and self identity, or whether her views have the slightest validity or whether they inform her or her husband;s views or influence the policy of our government?Victor Erimitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17778164827528511718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35411190316585588542012-08-15T14:10:22.538-05:002012-08-15T14:10:22.538-05:00How jaded we've become. Affirmative Action and...How jaded we've become. Affirmative Action and Preferences and Set Asides are now ... boring stuff we used to study.<br /><br />We're above that now, though. We're cool. We've moved on.<br /><br />Haven't we? Or have we? I would suggest that Moochelle Obama has not moved on and that she would implement a radical program of Set Asides in a heartbeat; and that Althouse is a poseur.<br />paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80608299800987524232012-08-15T13:56:51.695-05:002012-08-15T13:56:51.695-05:00AllenS said...
every single thing she wrote looks ...<i>AllenS said...<br />every single thing she wrote looks completely banal by the standards of 1988.<br /><br />What were the standards of 1988? How about 1978? What are the standards of 2012? How often do standards change in law school?</i><br /><br />In history it's called revisionism. Sometimes there is a step to more knowledge and better insight as the views of past historians get challenged and altered. But often it's just someone trying to make a reputation. Gotta have some new twist on the old act.<br /><br />Another way to view it is serial conformity. Conform to the norm if you want to get along in academia. A few brilliant souls can break that rule, but that vast mediocrity does not dare. As a student at least, Michelle never sought to go beyond the well trod currently acceptable middle path.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36123402394012400902012-08-15T13:55:38.605-05:002012-08-15T13:55:38.605-05:00"Evolving views based on experience don't..."<i>Evolving views based on experience don't seem to major part of most Progressives' life stories.</i>"<br /><br />The social fabric is generally made up of threads spun from polite fiction.<br /><br />;)Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29215078876923541212012-08-15T13:49:02.437-05:002012-08-15T13:49:02.437-05:00Still, views change and mature as we get older. At...<b>Still, views change and mature as we get older. At least they usually do. Or sometimes do. I favor not holding up youthful folly on the theory that I'd like the same consideration.</b><br /><br />Can you name a major Progressive now whose views changed? <br /><br />Neither Clintons views have changed much since college. <br /><br />Obama's haven't. <br /><br />Biden still thinks "paste tastes great!"<br /><br />Evolving views based on experience don't seem to major part of most Progressives' life stories.<br /><br />Heck, the majority of the student "protestors" of the 60's and 70's were from far Left parents. Rebelling...just like mommy and daddy told them to.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89279101792290545912012-08-15T13:46:25.556-05:002012-08-15T13:46:25.556-05:00I wonder what the young Michelle Obama would have ...<b>I wonder what the young Michelle Obama would have thought about Harvard's subsequent I'm Cherokee-because-I-have-high-cheekbones hiring of Elizabeth Warren. I have to think this was not what she would have had in mind to expand minority hiring among the faculty. </b><br /><br />Dude, look at Warren. If that doesn't scream "I'm TOTALLY not a WASP" at you, I don't know what does.<br /><br />I half expect to hear that she was once a black child.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55331354959493852542012-08-15T13:43:57.347-05:002012-08-15T13:43:57.347-05:00I wonder what the young Michelle Obama would have ...I wonder what the young Michelle Obama would have thought about Harvard's subsequent I'm Cherokee-because-I-have-high-cheekbones hiring of Elizabeth Warren. I have to think this was not what she would have had in mind to expand minority hiring among the faculty. mcculloughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168402889404727565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67186739839849184932012-08-15T13:38:23.371-05:002012-08-15T13:38:23.371-05:00AllenS said: What were the standards of 1988? How ...AllenS said: <i>What were the standards of 1988? How about 1978? What are the standards of 2012? How often do standards change in law school?</i><br /><br />This is important because Althouse admits that such thinking was the norm in law schools: <br /><br /><i>Go over there and read the gasping about how racist and left-wing it all was, but to me, having lived through Critical Race Theory, every single thing she wrote looks completely banal by the standards of 1988.</i><br /><br />I think any sane tax payer in Wisconsin deserves to know how much of that philosophy still remains at the UW Law School. If it has changed, then put it on display! If it hasn't changed, then expect more people to cheer when the so-called Law School Bubble pops.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44088567781529262152012-08-15T13:29:25.842-05:002012-08-15T13:29:25.842-05:00..too entirely gleeful.
I've been making &quo.....too entirely gleeful.<br /><br />I've been making "to/too" typos lately. I assure the world that I do know the difference, but my fingers don't and I don't always catch it.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24098174862647270402012-08-15T13:28:38.980-05:002012-08-15T13:28:38.980-05:00Regardless of Ms. Obama's thoughts on the matt...Regardless of Ms. Obama's thoughts on the matter, I ran the first paragraph (and a bit more) through the BlaBlaMeter and this was the return.<br /><br /><i>Your text: 2285 characters, 358 words<br />Bullshit Index :0.21<br />Your text shows some indications of 'bullshit'-English, but is still within an acceptable range.</i>Jay Vogthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05791588395485069312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91617896376322128032012-08-15T13:25:51.347-05:002012-08-15T13:25:51.347-05:00By "student work" I thought you meant th...By "student work" I thought you meant this was an assignment for class. I approve of lying to professors, at least by implication or careful avoidance of tromping too hard on their prejudices. I suppose, perhaps, that writing for a campus publication gets you points with the powers that be, too, so it's the same thing. I don't know if I could do it though. <br /><br />Still, views change and mature as we get older. At least they usually do. Or sometimes do. I favor not holding up youthful folly on the theory that I'd like the same consideration.<br /><br />I won't even get to entirely gleeful about the horrible, convoluted English. She was even less personally responsible for that than she likely was for the trendy ideas.<br /><br />Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.com