tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8545254780312602191..comments2024-03-28T11:57:44.907-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Donald Trump supporter pollsters missed: "I'm the guy who never answered the phone when caller ID said 'Number Unavailable.'"Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50452590588229775402016-11-18T12:56:33.077-06:002016-11-18T12:56:33.077-06:00Wrong dummkopf.Wrong dummkopf.Jon Ericsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548597217632737704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67127649922407311022016-11-17T23:31:11.285-06:002016-11-17T23:31:11.285-06:00"Zero evidence"
Yeah, it's not like..."Zero evidence"<br /><br />Yeah, it's not like we have multiple people, extremely frequent visitors to the White House no less, on video saying they're paid by the Democrats to create protests, and it's not like they had to resign after those videos were released.<br /><br />Oh wait. We do.<br /><br />Asd the buses, the printed signs and the Craigslist ads.<br /><br />It's pretty obvious that whatever your standard is for "evidence" is literally impossible to meet, R&B.<br /><br />Or, more likely, when you're dealing with people willing to fund mass riots, a little thing like bald faced lying in the face of MOUNTAINS of IRREFUTABLE evidence isn't going to make your shriveled leprous conscience itch in the slightest.Qwinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11551344511722159981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53438176820151491392016-11-17T22:05:25.182-06:002016-11-17T22:05:25.182-06:00Also there are gradations: don't hear, don'...Also there are gradations: don't hear, don't listen, don't heed. <br /><br />Listening to her because she's pretty, or because her voice is pretty, is different from listening to him because he has new information, is different from listening for them because the lights are out and you want to hit them in the dark, or at least know if they're coming.Bad Lieutenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091901464339059169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76972565596260960372016-11-17T22:02:26.306-06:002016-11-17T22:02:26.306-06:00Ann's problem is the Democrats' problem in...Ann's problem is the Democrats' problem in the sense is that they are now the student whereas they are usually accustomed to thinking of themselves as the teacher. When the teacher says something you don't understand, it's not incoherent, your understanding is incomplete/inadequate. <br /><br />It's the teacher who tells the studentsthat their remarks are incoherent. It's a power relation. They prize power above all, and have no humility, so cannot learn. Who dares imply they don't know it all? Seize them!Bad Lieutenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091901464339059169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29287879807662031842016-11-17T19:19:19.568-06:002016-11-17T19:19:19.568-06:00The problem with opinion polls is the need to redu...The problem with opinion polls is the need to reduce them to a single number. To get to that number, one has to put in a ton of assumptions, and these assumptions are not openly discussed for probably both honest and dishonest reasons.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57789444580492170572016-11-17T18:24:48.360-06:002016-11-17T18:24:48.360-06:00Yeah, the sneer comes through.Yeah, the sneer comes through.Jon Ericsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548597217632737704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69432939529678835782016-11-17T17:30:12.792-06:002016-11-17T17:30:12.792-06:00"That was actually kind of incoherent."
...<b><i>"That was actually kind of incoherent."</i></b><br /><br />Typical academic elite attitude... The sort I read in the Comments section of NY Times' editorials every day - only with more of that tired Althouse pedanticalness.dwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870700325007134265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58481485551049025012016-11-17T17:16:30.160-06:002016-11-17T17:16:30.160-06:00Did you think that polling is the only way to list...<i>Did you think that polling is the only way to listen?</i><br /><br />Of course not, but it is one useful way of gathering information about elections, especially if it's done well.Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7726797929285140582016-11-17T16:27:42.456-06:002016-11-17T16:27:42.456-06:00Did you think that polling is the only way to list...Did you think that polling is the only way to listen? Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16517956537865658903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81741428839180339562016-11-17T15:57:52.168-06:002016-11-17T15:57:52.168-06:00Or were more Trump voters at work?
Could be, but ...<i>Or were more Trump voters at work?</i><br /><br />Could be, but I thought pollsters have been trying to take that into account. Their models appear to have some gaps.Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38690436150426402022016-11-17T15:21:38.409-06:002016-11-17T15:21:38.409-06:00Barry Dauphin said:
Do pollsters have any data ...Barry Dauphin said: <br /><br />Do pollsters have any data on how many people let the phone ring without picking up or are not at home at times of calls and what their preferences are likely to be? I suspect there is a greater percentage of all people who do no pick up the phone these days, due to the existence of caller ID and voicemail rather than simply not being home.<br /><br />Or were more Trump voters at work?cornroasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01487373082601762099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12619143531755349142016-11-17T15:18:15.476-06:002016-11-17T15:18:15.476-06:00Absentee ballot fraud is subject of post election ...Absentee ballot fraud is subject of post election litigation in North Carolina.<br /><br />http://www.wbtv.com/story/33718588/protest-filed-in-bladen-county-over-alleged-fraudulent-absentee-ballotscornroasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01487373082601762099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74277076366585583832016-11-17T15:05:03.576-06:002016-11-17T15:05:03.576-06:00I think there's another angle: If you live out...I think there's another angle: If you live out-state and don't reveal your preference, they don't know how many absentee ballots to have at ready in Milwaukee or Detroit.gbartohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992016559235916986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75354645221837196602016-11-17T14:21:28.440-06:002016-11-17T14:21:28.440-06:00The best explanation is that Trump supporters were...<i>The best explanation is that Trump supporters were less likely to pick up the phone.</i><br /><br />Actually, some of us have given up our land lines entirely. My Gen-X children never did use land lines after moving out of the house and into apartments, and given that my old land line crashed during the last Verizon strike and was not fixed for a number of weeks, I thought why bother?Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23548649384096995902016-11-17T14:09:02.425-06:002016-11-17T14:09:02.425-06:00Man, what is up with CAPTCHA these days. Driving m...<i>Man, what is up with CAPTCHA these days. Driving me nuts.</i><br /><br />Ignore itGahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65035881991695629172016-11-17T14:08:31.042-06:002016-11-17T14:08:31.042-06:00I suspect there is a greater percentage of all peo...<i> I suspect there is a greater percentage of all people who do no pick up the phone these days, due to the existence of caller ID and voicemail rather than simply not being home.</i><br /><br />That's me. I have never owned a cellphone, and do not pick up my home phone if I do not recognize the number.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91181685340674821812016-11-17T13:37:06.066-06:002016-11-17T13:37:06.066-06:00He does not make the point well, but there is a po...He does not make the point well, but there is a point to be made about polling in this election cycle. Despite the enormous amount of money and effort that went into the wide variety of polls, very few predicted these results. When landlines are used, the pollsters apparently were not getting a representative sample of actual voters (people who would vote in the election). Trump voters were under sampled, especially in key battleground states. The best explanation is that Trump supporters were less likely to pick up the phone. <br /><br />Do pollsters have any data on how many people let the phone ring without picking up or are not at home at times of calls and what their preferences are likely to be? I suspect there is a greater percentage of all people who do no pick up the phone these days, due to the existence of caller ID and voicemail rather than simply not being home.Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-246508976120760232016-11-17T12:54:25.081-06:002016-11-17T12:54:25.081-06:00Man, what is up with CAPTCHA these days. Driving m...Man, what is up with CAPTCHA these days. Driving me nuts.SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85334662986104693692016-11-17T12:52:50.827-06:002016-11-17T12:52:50.827-06:00I've been asked to participate in phone survey...I've been asked to participate in phone surveys several times. I always ask to hear some of the questions and response choices first. Normally I decline to participate because there's no response that would accurately reflect my opinions. That's the problem with most polls, I think. SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83421135717523196992016-11-17T12:39:38.657-06:002016-11-17T12:39:38.657-06:00Yeah, Ann, that was my take as well. If you're...Yeah, Ann, that was my take as well. If you're bitching about pollsters not wanting to listen to you, next time pick up your phone. SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91001777719295849942016-11-17T12:33:19.046-06:002016-11-17T12:33:19.046-06:00"[Y]ou, the pollsters and the incredibly bias..."[Y]ou, the pollsters and the incredibly biased "mainstream" media, wouldn't listen to me."<br /><br />It's not incoherent, it's just that the <i>anyway</i> at the end of the sentence is implied.Rocketeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05277758566013062712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59093628192598714052016-11-17T12:13:16.966-06:002016-11-17T12:13:16.966-06:00There is a livestream of the Trump Tower Lobby at ...There is a livestream of the Trump Tower Lobby at a Drudge link. Lots of very good energy comes from the people coming and going. Ivanka came in early when the carriers of treys loaded with carry out Starbucks were mostly going up. Ivanka talked with the Elevator Concierge for 5 minutes and then took the freight elevator up followed by her posse.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26172962651679817762016-11-17T11:37:03.838-06:002016-11-17T11:37:03.838-06:00Yeah; what Kristian Holvoet said at 9:01.Yeah; what Kristian Holvoet said at 9:01.HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77618708686723069972016-11-17T11:23:39.732-06:002016-11-17T11:23:39.732-06:00I think he's saying something closer to: I was...I think he's saying something closer to: I wasn't counted because I chose not to be counted, and I chose not to be counted because I don't trust the people who would do the counting (either to represent my views correctly or to not use my views to further their own causes against me) and I don't trust the people who do the counting because they're biased & untrustworthy.<br /><br />So he's still blaming the Media and the Left, see? He would like to be in a situation where he could trust the Media and let his voice be heard, but instead he as to hide his real views and only express those in the privacy of the voting booth. He blames that situation (correctly) on the Media.HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29458034655566686522016-11-17T11:21:22.167-06:002016-11-17T11:21:22.167-06:00there is zero evidence that anyone is funding thes...<i>there is zero evidence that anyone is funding these demonstrations.</i> <br /><br />People being bused in using long-distance coaches might be a tell. Or the Craigslist ads. Or the Move-On ads. Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277966379512526469noreply@blogger.com