tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8410038142211741466..comments2024-03-28T11:41:56.450-05:00Comments on Althouse: "It is quite apparent that [Andrew] Sullivan is being treated differently from others who have been charged with the same crime in similar circumstances."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger137125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80910661042454109842009-09-12T22:55:08.229-05:002009-09-12T22:55:08.229-05:00I almost wrote this on another thread but this is ...I almost wrote this on another thread but this is where it belongs:<br /><br />MUL, you make Cedarford look almost human. <br /><br />Is, at best, affecting the 2010 or 2012 vote by 0.0000001% in what you may believe to be your favor, worth this spiritual self-immolation of yours? Of course, IIRC, you don't believe you have a soul, so scorn to preserve it - but do you really not see how this degrades you, or is that lost in your focus on the main chance?Nichevohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591460407621898458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89730685757228454252009-09-12T20:27:41.461-05:002009-09-12T20:27:41.461-05:00Ahhh... the old John Kerry "outed" the l...<b>Ahhh... the old John Kerry "outed" the lesbian Mary Cheney faux-trage.</b><br /><br />Funny, I bet if a conservative mentioned that a progressive had a gay kid for no apparent reason, you might have a problem with it.<br /><br /><b>I took that stance too. Until it became evident to me that Old Dick and Lynne's discomfort with Mary Cheney's lesbianism has nothing to do with Mary Cheney's acceptance with being openly lesbian. </b><br /><br />Hmm, seems they are actually quite comfortable with her being gay.<br /><br /><b><br />Maybe what's creepy isn't so much what you see as a focus by the candidates on Cheney's daughter. Maybe what's creepy is the inability of the Cheneys to publicly accept their daughter for who she is.</b><br /><br />Maybe parents don't like the sex lives of their kids being mentioned in Presidential and VP debates where they aren't relevant to anything?<br /><br />I mean, you didn't hear Cheney ask Edwards why he married a man and all, did you?<br /><br /><b>It's like cons want to assume that everyone should have the exact same sexual interests/proclivities that they, themselves, have, or else they feel very uncomfortable. It's like they need to look to others to confirm, by way of stated example, one's own sexual orientation. </b><br /><br />Actually, I just would like your sexual desires to be kept behind your doors, personally. <br /><br /><b>But what is obvious, is that they couldn't admit as much to their GOP constituents in 2004. So the problem isn't an undue focus on Mary Cheney's sexual orientation by the democrats in 2004. The problem is the GOP's need to publicly assume a certain, "normal" sexual orientation on the part of Dick Cheney's daughter at the time.</b><br /><br />So families are now fair game, eh? Man, I hope Obama's girls don't have any problem before 2012. I'd hate to see you applaud somebody mentioning their sex lives...<br /><br /><b>Yes. The impulse to compensate can be quite strong in parents who perceive that they've failed their children. This is obviously something Dick (and don't forget, Lynne) must have felt upon assessing their immediate reactions to Kerry's entirely innocent comment on the night in question.</b><br /><br />Just checking --- is the sky blue in your version of reality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15573329252231223302009-09-12T18:45:37.030-05:002009-09-12T18:45:37.030-05:00He's not just been supportive of her -- includ...<i>He's not just been supportive of her -- including her partner in both public and private, official and unofficial, gatherings -- he's also pretty clearly in favour of gay marriage.</i><br /><br />Yes. The impulse to compensate can be quite strong in parents who perceive that they've failed their children. This is obviously something Dick (and don't forget, Lynne) must have felt upon assessing their immediate reactions to Kerry's entirely innocent comment on the night in question.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39316217710325566652009-09-12T16:39:49.140-05:002009-09-12T16:39:49.140-05:00Sullivan finally mentions the issue, just enough t...Sullivan finally <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/in-the-news.html" rel="nofollow">mentions the issue,</a> just enough to say that he lawyered up and the lawyer told him to shut up about it.Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33055995518974645612009-09-12T14:09:48.382-05:002009-09-12T14:09:48.382-05:00Maybe what's creepy is the inability of the Ch...<i>Maybe what's creepy is the inability of the Cheneys to publicly accept their daughter for who she is</i>.<br /><br />Really? He's not just been supportive of her -- including her partner in both public and private, official and unofficial, gatherings -- he's also pretty clearly in favour of <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/cheney-offers-his-support_n_209869.html" rel="nofollow">gay marriage</a>. Moreso than Bush, Kerry, or Obama, at least.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84854423332870524222009-09-12T13:17:06.896-05:002009-09-12T13:17:06.896-05:00Why wasn't Geithner hounded and slapped with h...<i>Why wasn't Geithner hounded and slapped with huge penalties? Why isn't Dodd fighting tax lien after tax lien? Why isn't Rangel in JAIL?</i><br /><br />You're being way too kind to Geithner; felony tax evasion should land someone in prison.Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01433235586096305061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54291950669774721352009-09-12T12:53:12.364-05:002009-09-12T12:53:12.364-05:00Larry said...
If Andrew Sullivan was straight...<i>Larry said...<br /><br /> If Andrew Sullivan was straight, he would not have to be worried about being kicked out of the country, since he's married.</i><br /><br />Does the word Bullshit mean anything to you. <br /><br /> <i>Since he's gay, if he were prosecuted, and the marriage is not recognized, he could be kicked out of the country if prosecuted.<br /><br /> That's what is disturbing.</i><br /><br />So then why isn't the US Attorney prosecuting? Some would say that his sympathies to Obama and the fact that he is a homosexual have something to do with it. Either way, he get a get out jail and a pass go card and here you are trying to make something out of nothing.<br /><br /> <i>And does Ann give a rat's ass about that? Of course not. Just one more example of her latent homophobia.</i><br /><br />I'm just going to laugh at the latent homophobia comment. Your ignorance in this regard is stupefying to say the least. Get educated moron, before your hands leave your pants to touch a keyboard.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28903538797957823672009-09-12T11:55:49.728-05:002009-09-12T11:55:49.728-05:00It wasn't that he "outed" her, it wa...<i>It wasn't that he "outed" her, it was that it was really weird to mention her like he did. He was trying to score some sort of political point using his daughter, which is not nice on the face of it, but really it was mostly the weirdness. It made it seem like both the democrats had a creepy focus on Cheney's daughter.</i><br /><br />Maybe what's creepy isn't so much what you see as a focus by the candidates on Cheney's daughter. Maybe what's creepy is the inability of the Cheneys to publicly accept their daughter for <i>who she is.</i><br /><br />Sex, in and of itself, is not a weird thing. And if you, or the Cheneys, think Mary Cheney's lesbianism is a weird thing, than maybe it's <i>you</i> or <i>they</i> who have the problem. Otherwise, there should be no problem with simply mentioning that open fact. <br /><br />It's like cons want to assume that everyone should have the exact same sexual interests/proclivities that <i>they, themselves, have</i>, or else they feel very uncomfortable. It's like they need to look to others to confirm, by way of stated example, <i>one's own</i> sexual orientation. <br /><br />Why <i>anyone</i> should be so focused on looking at the similarities of whatever other people do, in order to confirm their own sexual identity - <i>that</i>, my friend is what more and more Americans are finding to be <i>weird.</i><br /><br />Now, from the interviews they've given, it's become more and more evident that the Cheneys do accept, to a certain degree, their daughter, and what rights are implied by the fact of <i>her own, openly-declared sexual orientation.</i> But what is obvious, is that they couldn't admit as much to their GOP constituents in 2004. So the problem isn't an undue focus on Mary Cheney's sexual orientation by the democrats in 2004. The problem is the GOP's need to <i>publicly</i> assume a certain, "normal" sexual orientation on the part of Dick Cheney's daughter at the time. Or at least that was the Cheney's perception. Their <b>shame</b> regarding their daughter's lesbianism is more wrong than the democrats' acceptance of Mary Cheney's lesbianism. The Cheneys' inability/unwillingness to allow the political process to address Mary Cheney's rights is more wrong than the Democrats' willingness to allow the political process to address Mary Cheney's rights. <br /><br />Mary Cheney is, after all, an individual, an American citizen, with <b>her own</b> rights and interests - and not just a member of the secretive, dissembling Cheney family -- as Dick Cheney later revealed in subsequent interviews where he affirms precisely those rights.<br /><br />And btw, did you ask Mary Cheney what she thought of all this? My understanding is that she wasn't anywhere near as uncomfortable with it as you seem to be. Neither, for what it's worth, was Bill Buckley. You're painting a GOP-favored political spin on Mary Cheney's rights and feelings. And it's a spin that even <i>her parents</i> - (or at least Dick) - eventually lost interest in promoting. And a spin that we have absolutely no evidence to believe that Mary Cheney herself ever had much interest in, at all. Period. <br /><br />I understand the GOP likes to pretend they think that nuclear families are important. However, nuclear families are still not more important than autonomous individuals. Individuals can, after all, voice their wishes and feelings and how they wish to express and fight for their rights more easily than can families - who must typically arrive at a consensus among those individuals first. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure that the rights referred to in the founding documents were individual rights.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68315748225777876552009-09-12T10:47:04.433-05:002009-09-12T10:47:04.433-05:00Ahhh... the old John Kerry "outed" the l...<i>Ahhh... the old John Kerry "outed" the lesbian Mary Cheney faux-trage.</i><br /><br />It wasn't that he "outed" her, it was that it was really weird to mention her like he did. He was trying to score some sort of political point using his daughter, which is not nice on the face of it, but really it was mostly the weirdness. It made it seem like both the democrats had a creepy focus on Cheney's daughter.<br /><br />Just for fun looked up the edwards comment during the debate: <br /><br />"I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing. And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy."<br /><br />And then Kerry's random comment:<br /><br />"John Kerry replied, "If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."Shannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15709594638793030086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28944760241481294622009-09-12T10:31:44.923-05:002009-09-12T10:31:44.923-05:00Prosecutors in Baltimore are considering prosecuti...Prosecutors in Baltimore are considering prosecuting O'Keefe for illegally taping a conversation in the ACORN matter. How's that for shocking. <br /><br />Make him a martyr, that will make the issue go away.Fred4Preshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01574159710712259945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47932896219589712052009-09-12T09:37:07.870-05:002009-09-12T09:37:07.870-05:00"How can you say that the personal sexual pre...<i>"How can you say that the personal sexual preferences of a daughter is fair game and at the same time pretend that you are a champion of privacy of sexual privacy."</i><br /><br />Ahhh... the old John Kerry "outed" the lesbian Mary Cheney faux-trage.<br /><br />I took that stance too. Until it became evident to me that Old Dick and Lynne's discomfort with Mary Cheney's lesbianism has nothing to do with Mary Cheney's acceptance with being <i>openly</i> lesbian. <br /><br />When will you sympath-authoritarians actually embrace individual human autonomy for once? For chrissakes! What is the point of restricting the power of the government if you can't treat (and see) people as individuals, with rights to be respected as <i>individual</i> rights? <br /><br />Grow up. Parents do not have ownership over their 35-year old grown children.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31038573616307723442009-09-12T09:05:34.532-05:002009-09-12T09:05:34.532-05:00-- on the law 'n' order side, official opp...<i>-- on the law 'n' order side, official oppression.</i><br /><br />I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where a prosecutor can be charged for the act of not prosecuting someone. When you decline to prosecute, nobody's being oppressed.<br /><br /><i>-- on the obverse, how about misprision of a felony (here, of course it would have to be misprision of a misdemeanor).</i><br /><br />Misprision involves failure to report to authorities - in this case, all relevant authorities appear to have been aware of the crime.<br /><br /><i>-- in the real world, bribery.</i><br /><br />Maybe. I think this is just an example of people trying to criminalize behavior they don't like. This whole thing smells pretty fishy, but barring good evidence of something actually illegal, the appropriate recourse is through the channels of democratic accountability. The Democrats bend the law to favor their cronies? Kick the Democrats out of office. If enough people are bothered enough, it'll happen. If not, well, that's the price of living in a majoritarian country.<br /><br />I say this, mind you, not as an Obama or Sullivan apologist, but as a right-winger who thinks preserving the appropriate structure and functions of the federal criminal justice system are more important than scoring political points.Prosecutorial Indiscretionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435612653700066939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84183667915478280792009-09-12T07:34:21.467-05:002009-09-12T07:34:21.467-05:00They have the option to prosecute later if Sulliva...They have the option to prosecute later if Sullivan writes something they don't like.<br /><br />H/T <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/09/11/quid/" rel="nofollow">Belmont Club</a>.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29463698823889167222009-09-12T06:34:33.438-05:002009-09-12T06:34:33.438-05:00No, Larry. If Sullivan had obeyed the law in this ...No, Larry. If Sullivan had obeyed the law in this country, he wouldn't have to worry about getting kicked out. <br /><br />Gay has zero to do with it.<br /><br />But in the end, apparently it doesn't matter, because Obama Justice is willing to tilt the enforcement scales for Friends of Obama.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16517956537865658903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84083316942016583412009-09-12T04:06:18.229-05:002009-09-12T04:06:18.229-05:00If Andrew Sullivan was straight, he would not have...If Andrew Sullivan was straight, he would not have to be worried about being kicked out of the country, since he's married.<br /><br />Since he's gay, if he were prosecuted, and the marriage is not recognized, he could be kicked out of the country if prosecuted. <br /><br />That's what is disturbing.<br /><br />And does Ann give a rat's ass about that? Of course not. Just one more example of her latent homophobia.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03726214700786553954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32439088567996439162009-09-12T02:49:15.833-05:002009-09-12T02:49:15.833-05:00I've questioned her sanity since I found out t...<i>I've questioned her sanity since I found out that for eleven years Arianna was married to a rich gay man.</i><br /><br />She gets tons of money and doesn't even have to put out. Sounds sane to me.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20906040191926664062009-09-12T01:22:34.802-05:002009-09-12T01:22:34.802-05:00should i play some music?
wv - triateoshould i play some music?<br /><br />wv - triateoLem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6699445267057296782009-09-12T01:09:00.963-05:002009-09-12T01:09:00.963-05:00You may think I'm harsh.
I've seen people...You may think I'm harsh.<br /><br />I've seen people do a political convinient shifh in order to survive before..<br /><br />But why did Arianna do what she did remains a mistery to me and to a lot of people that were taken in by her.<br /><br />I saw (not upclose but still) Arianna mount a protest "peoples convention". <br /><br />I remember my brother calling me and asking me "is that b&8t for real or is that the same one that had somebody call ahead to make sure we had everything just the way she wanted at the most expensive fuking place Boston had when we had her come and speak?<br /><br />I call her a fraud fake fraud only to be kind.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41198884080551576652009-09-12T00:50:32.705-05:002009-09-12T00:50:32.705-05:00Put it this way..
I have more respect for Sully t...Put it this way..<br /><br />I have more respect for Sully than I do for Arianna.<br /><br />yea yea yea (i know waht he did to Palin)<br /><br />Still when it come to fakery nobody beats Arianna.<br /><br />Nobody.<br /><br />wv - custore - thats when you are so fake you need a custore.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49222817321364588352009-09-12T00:28:50.254-05:002009-09-12T00:28:50.254-05:00Something happens to some people when the lights s...Something happens to some people when the lights shine on them.<br /><br />I mean the Idea that Ari was a conservative only because her paying gay husband had an R in front of his political name... "go out there and get them so I can be in the closet baby" came as a bit of a shock!<br /><br />Were else would Ari go? remember waht she was willing to do to be a "conservative".<br /><br />Arianna is the biggest fake false fonniest lier that has ever crosses the American political scene.<br /><br />Bar none!Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58416553605842044682009-09-12T00:18:32.008-05:002009-09-12T00:18:32.008-05:00She was on the side of sanity.
I've questione...<i> She was on the side of sanity.<br /><br /></i>I've questioned her sanity since I found out that for eleven years Arianna was married to a rich gay man.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7996370157143363502009-09-12T00:11:25.071-05:002009-09-12T00:11:25.071-05:00I saw Ariana Huffington debate along side Bill Buc...I saw Ariana Huffington debate along side Bill Buckley arguing waht in those days was political anathema - Wellfare Harms People.<br /><br />Thats how I meet Arianna in Boston Mass. She was on the side of sanity.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75421803473584182222009-09-11T23:58:55.732-05:002009-09-11T23:58:55.732-05:00The funny thing (if you will) is that the very thi...The funny thing (if you will) is that the very thing that sold Sully to me was the very thing he ended up betraying.<br /><br />How can you say that the personal sexual preferences of a daughter is fair game and at the same time pretend that you are a champion of privacy of sexual privacy.<br /><br />By that time Andrew had changed. He was no longer the merciful loving Andrew from his books.<br /><br />wv - halitepe - a person willing to flap his wings and gums in order to be liked just a little more, just a little more.. see Ari Huffington.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16873409459733741342009-09-11T23:37:31.790-05:002009-09-11T23:37:31.790-05:00Sullivan thought that Cheney's family was fair...Sullivan thought that Cheney's family was fair game.<br /><br />I want to see waht does he have to say for himself!<br /><br />wv - chippea - thats when somebody believes is a chip - little bit - of mercy and then they dont get it.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1614817084400036412009-09-11T23:31:12.696-05:002009-09-11T23:31:12.696-05:00I used to be a Sullivan fan.. nobody can hate as m...I used to be a Sullivan fan.. nobody can hate as much as a person who has at one time love that person and had read and followed their every wim.<br /><br />I don't remember when i started hating Sullivan But I do remember the debate when Cheney was out of nowhere asked about his gay daughter. <br /><br />I foolishly thought that Sullivan would see the folly of making political hay out of that was. <br /><br />I emailed him and he was cold in his response. something asking to what is good for the goose .. you know the rest. <br /><br />that's when i knew i could no longer trust him despite his earlier beautiful writings.<br /><br />to this day i think even Obama has asked to leave the family out of it.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.com