tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post8206499298870465275..comments2024-03-28T15:51:49.470-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I’m proud of my dad, not necessarily because of where he is now on marriage equality (although I’m pretty psyched about that)..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61822048015059319122013-03-25T23:43:38.805-05:002013-03-25T23:43:38.805-05:00Besides, lesbians don't usually take loads up ...<i>Besides, lesbians don't usually take loads up the ass unprotected, do they? </i><br /><br />No, but a lot of women do, or at least did, in other, not first-world countries due to such intercourse posing a lower risk of pregnancy. Or because they have no choice. Or some combo. Helluva thing. Not all contexts are exactly the same. Not all realities are precisely equal. No matter what, there are all sorts of bullshits and ignorance.<br /><br />I find your comments funny, often. I find them informative, frequently.<br /><br />I find this one to be stupid and cheap. No doubt you will be disappointed in me for saying so, as you are any time my prism differs.<br /><br />rcommalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301180339680504471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37882288226581021892013-03-25T17:29:41.030-05:002013-03-25T17:29:41.030-05:00@Paulio: I'm just wondering if you're one ...@Paulio: I'm just wondering if you're one of those Sullivanists wanting to normalize HIV. <br /><br /><br />I'm not sure what a Sullivanist is (I know you are referring to Andrew Sullivan, but I don't know what particular caricature of him you have dancing in your head, nor do I care) but I don't want any disease "normalized", I'd like to see them eradicated, with good old-fashioned Western science. We're doing pretty good with HIV, from a world-historical perspective, with the first recognition of the disease, leading to the identification of its causative agent within 6 years or so and a reasonably effective treatment regiment in another 10 years (the triple therapy). There have been of course tragic loses along the way and it would always be welcome for things to move more quickly.<br /><br />I am for not blaming victims of disease. I am for educating people to engage in healthy behaviors and I do have my own opinion on the morality of particular actions that might even agree with some (though I think probably not all) of yours, but I am not for snidely telling others that they earned their disease or that their suffering is proof of my moral superiority. I am a Christian. Pauliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03364781125102643401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79861467555764735022013-03-25T17:27:49.766-05:002013-03-25T17:27:49.766-05:00> I read him as being strongly opposed to their...> I read him as being strongly opposed to their reckless promiscuity. That and the opprobrium unleashed on those opposed to criticizing such promiscuity.<br /><br />That doesn't seem like a very compelling rationale for being opposed to homosexuality in general. There are both homosexual and heterosexual people who are promiscuous, and both homosexual and heterosexual people who are not.<br /><br />If one wanted to criticize promiscuity, it seems silly to criticize homosexuality. It seems even sillier in the context of gay marriage, since settling down with a long-term partner and getting married is the very opposite of promiscuity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71061204900184356602013-03-25T17:21:24.646-05:002013-03-25T17:21:24.646-05:00Shouting Thomas said that he decided homosexuality...<i>Shouting Thomas said that he decided homosexuality was wrong when he saw the AIDS virus sweep through the gay community.</i><br /><br />I read him as being strongly opposed to their reckless promiscuity. That and the opprobrium unleashed on those opposed to criticizing such promiscuity. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74303254675500940572013-03-25T17:18:15.758-05:002013-03-25T17:18:15.758-05:00@Paulio: I'm just wondering if you're one ...@Paulio: I'm just wondering if you're one of those Sullivanists wanting to normalize HIV. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31850505633245284452013-03-25T17:16:26.655-05:002013-03-25T17:16:26.655-05:00> HIV is just a virus, not a punishment.
Shout...> HIV is just a virus, not a punishment.<br /><br />Shouting Thomas said that he decided homosexuality was wrong when he saw the AIDS virus sweep through the gay community.<br /><br />If it were merely hazardous to one's health, like smoking, skydiving, or serving in the army in time of war, then there wouldn't be any particular moral dimension to it -- it might be dangerous and perhaps even foolhardy, but it wouldn't be <i>wrong</i>.<br /><br />The only reason I can think of for a disease to be proof of something being morally wrong would be if one believed that disease to be a punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73789595956528094952013-03-25T17:15:41.667-05:002013-03-25T17:15:41.667-05:00Maybe you intend your comments to be restricted to...<i>Maybe you intend your comments to be restricted to the US only, but it seems strange that God's punishment would focus so narrowly on Western European and US homosexuals and involve the slaughter of many more "innocent" (in your view) heterosexuals in Africa.</i><br /><br />Suppose we take you misguided thought that HIV is "God's punishment." Are you saying that its spread in Africa is due to self-controlled people practicing monogamy? chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39259172999312716442013-03-25T17:05:47.559-05:002013-03-25T17:05:47.559-05:00I do wonder if all the "straight" men wh...I do wonder if all the "straight" men who immediately turn to thoughts of "butt fucking" and "cock sucking" hate women. In their minds, is the whole point of marriage "pussy pounding"--otherwise they'd rather not have anything to do with women and certainly not spend a life together? Pauliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03364781125102643401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2918285647048476042013-03-25T17:04:47.173-05:002013-03-25T17:04:47.173-05:00Wonderful, as I was typing, tesseractive made the ...Wonderful, as I was typing, tesseractive made the same points in much shorter format. Thank you!Pauliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03364781125102643401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26177073388281354632013-03-25T17:03:45.956-05:002013-03-25T17:03:45.956-05:00Shouting Thomas:
You kept spreading misinformatio...Shouting Thomas:<br /><br />You kept spreading misinformation that reveals your profound ignorance and I'm surprised no one on here has corrected it yet. While it is true that in the US, more gay men are infected with HIV than heterosexuals, worldwide, more heterosexuals are infected. In fact, in sub-saharan Africa, where 70% of infections currently are (the US and Europe represent a tiny, tiny percentage), the majority of infected individuals are women (and not, it seems from the best epidemiology) as a result of having sex with men who have sex with men. The disease first entered humans in Africa, in a non-homosexual population as far as the molecular epidemiology can tell and it is quite good and the disease only emerged in the last 100 years, in part as a result of rural hunting practices that left individuals expose to primate blood. Maybe you intend your comments to be restricted to the US only, but it seems strange that God's punishment would focus so narrowly on Western European and US homosexuals and involve the slaughter of many more "innocent" (in your view) heterosexuals in Africa. <br /><br />It is clear though, that the epidemic in the US derived from and remained separate therafter from the epidemic in Africa (there is still a clear lineage separation in the viruses that circulate). Your science--to say nothing of your theology, which the pope wouldn't recognize as Catholic--is seriously perverted.Pauliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03364781125102643401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77656507743945674522013-03-25T17:03:36.928-05:002013-03-25T17:03:36.928-05:004. Is God down with lesbians, since he didn't ...<i>4. Is God down with lesbians, since he didn't send them a plague?</i><br /><br />HIV is just a virus, not a punishment. Besides, lesbians don't usually take loads up the ass unprotected, do they? chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58224146698435096092013-03-25T16:56:05.978-05:002013-03-25T16:56:05.978-05:00> Why are you just passing over the bitterly de...> Why are you just passing over the bitterly destructive behavior of gay men in your lifetime? Gay men set off a global epidemic that killed millions of people with their behavior.<br /><br />This is flatly false.<br /><br />1. The AIDS epidemic did not originate in North America, nor among gay men.<br /><br />2. The primary vector of AIDS infection in France in the 80s and 90s and in Africa to date is nonmonogamous heterosexual sex. Africa accounts for most of those millions you mentioned.<br /><br />3. If God sent a plague to strike down gay men, why did he make it treatable?<br /><br />4. Is God down with lesbians, since he didn't send them a plague?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35614342892929733372013-03-25T15:49:55.236-05:002013-03-25T15:49:55.236-05:00Should have noted that 33,221 was newly diagnosed ...Should have noted that 33,221 was newly diagnosed cases of HIV just among males.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380908751421386368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25349602430991064922013-03-25T15:44:57.042-05:002013-03-25T15:44:57.042-05:00Once gay men became educated to the causes of the ...<i>Once gay men became educated to the causes of the disease, their behavior changed.</i><br /><br />From <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/surveillance/resources/reports/2011report/pdf/2011_HIV_Surveillance_Report_vol_23.pdf#Page=17" rel="nofollow">the CDC</a>: Out of 33,221 new diagnosed cases of HIV in the U.S. in 2011, 21,005 were due to male-to-male sexual contact.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380908751421386368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47717636939676908272013-03-25T15:26:27.638-05:002013-03-25T15:26:27.638-05:00Inga said...
Still yapping, demented poodle style...Inga said...<br /><br /><i>Still yapping, demented poodle style?</i><br /><br />Still can't come up with anything intelligent, much less witty?edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53496974483665980712013-03-25T14:43:36.786-05:002013-03-25T14:43:36.786-05:00So the language gets a little less poetic; it'...So the language gets a little less poetic; it's a small price to pay.Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403113111574246294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51413422418576702892013-03-25T14:30:51.648-05:002013-03-25T14:30:51.648-05:00Good idea, fritz. We straights could just trade t...Good idea, fritz. We straights could just trade terms with gays:<br /><br />It was his second <i>civil union</i>.<br />They have a very happy <i>civil union</i>.<br />Her first two <i>civil unions</i> ended in (un)civil disunification.<br />She has old-fashioned ideas about <i>civil union</i>.<br />Couples living together before <i>civil union</i><br />Many friends and relatives were present at their <i>civil union</i>.<br />A priest who has performed many <i>civil unions</i><br />A <i>civil union</i> of sweet and spicy flavors<br />A <i>civil union</i> of science and art<br />A <i>civil union</i> between form and function<br />Poor bastard - born out of <i>civil union</i>.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52550190723015273352013-03-25T14:18:35.655-05:002013-03-25T14:18:35.655-05:00I think we should let the gays have the word marri...I think we should let the gays have the word marriage. and then those of us who care can use something else.Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403113111574246294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7091917328396527652013-03-25T14:08:03.319-05:002013-03-25T14:08:03.319-05:00If you can't mock proponents of butt fucking, ...If you can't mock proponents of butt fucking, why not? chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54441777850028981582013-03-25T13:53:16.259-05:002013-03-25T13:53:16.259-05:00I think if herpes were a fatal disease, a lot of s...I think if herpes were a fatal disease, a lot of swingers would reconsider their views on monogamous marriage. I think butt fucking is an inherently risky activity. Who wants to trust their lives to the tensile strength of a delicate latex shield? A monogamous marriage would diminish these risks. It is both moral and sane for gays to enter a monogamous marriage. Some people choose morality and some people have it thrust (so to speak) upon them.......I would recommend that every condom be sold with a warning label that butt fucking can be harmful to your health. Perhaps a color picture of a syphlitic asshole would further underline the message. Large sodas and butt fucks are things that should be indulged in prudently, if at all.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70572000604236084382013-03-25T13:36:44.421-05:002013-03-25T13:36:44.421-05:00What is even more amusing is that the Colonel does...<i> What is even more amusing is that the Colonel doesn't seem to understand that I am being polite in my dealings with him, as I find many of his arguments to be less than cogent.</i><br /><br />Calling me a male chauvinist despite the fact I displayed nothing that indicated male superiority is being polite?<br /><br />What's rude?Colonel Angushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00521684405975098246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34150236742308294582013-03-25T13:20:14.488-05:002013-03-25T13:20:14.488-05:00What is even more amusing is that the Colonel does...What is even more amusing is that the Colonel doesn't seem to understand that I am being polite in my dealings with him, as I find many of his arguments to be less than cogent.<br /><br />Ah well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52076962963346813492013-03-25T13:19:15.982-05:002013-03-25T13:19:15.982-05:00Well then Colonel, be respectful of your elders.;)...<i> Well then Colonel, be respectful of your elders.;)</i><br /><br />There was nothing disrespectful in my comment. Unless of course offering constructive criticism of an older person is disrespectful.Colonel Angushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00521684405975098246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21083321895088666912013-03-25T13:17:32.541-05:002013-03-25T13:17:32.541-05:00There is way way too much paternalism on Althouse....<i> There is way way too much paternalism on Althouse. Women are not children, they do not act any more childish at any given time than men do. Attack the character, attack the maturity, attack the style of commenting, it's an obvious way to discredit the credibility of the commenter. Time after time this is the way many males here tend to operate.</i><br /><br />This is what I mean about projection. You're not being challenged because you are a female, your arguments are challenged because quite frankly, many of them are plain dumb. I've witnessed numerous male commenters here who are regularly challenged yet somehow if you are its chauvinism. <br /><br />As I suggested, make a solid argument, one which is supported by facts and not out of whole cloth where your response is not whatever and playing the oppressed woman. Colonel Angushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00521684405975098246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31458068013290003912013-03-25T13:10:56.033-05:002013-03-25T13:10:56.033-05:00Inga, I thought you might have noticed by now that...Inga, I thought you might have noticed by now that the concerns of feminism don't concern me at all.<br /><br />I don't care whether or not I play by feminist rules.<br /><br />The whole "equality" game is bullshit so far as I'm concerned.Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.com