tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7468159948942657780..comments2024-03-19T08:18:14.544-05:00Comments on Althouse: "You... completely distorted & misunderstood what I said, which is what happens when you read Ann Althouse."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19834556843952219182011-07-15T20:18:07.485-05:002011-07-15T20:18:07.485-05:00When umlauts are outlawed only outlaws will have u...When umlauts are outlawed only outlaws will have umlauts!Swenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608951312289132410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41603246566824059292011-07-15T18:30:10.428-05:002011-07-15T18:30:10.428-05:00The terms having been thoroughly muddied, I prefer...The terms having been thoroughly muddied, I prefer to use "statist" and "non-statist".<br /><br />And I prefer to use it on a case-by-case basis. As in "Here's a problem: should the government be involved in it or not?"<br /><br />There's a statist answer ("Yes") and a non-statist answer ("No"), whether the question is roads, defense or health care.<br /><br />We could set an arbitrary threshold for being a statist. But I'm pretty sure, if we did, no matter how high the criteria were, 100% of Dems and 90% of Reps would end up being statists.<br /><br />Which is depressing.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58313423440689784882011-07-15T17:32:49.495-05:002011-07-15T17:32:49.495-05:00*Enthusiastic Applause**Enthusiastic Applause*The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13860145364115029862011-07-15T15:49:18.975-05:002011-07-15T15:49:18.975-05:00Ah, well. It's not really Friday without a co...Ah, well. It's not really Friday without a completely insurmountable impasse.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66053205376400617592011-07-15T15:42:44.011-05:002011-07-15T15:42:44.011-05:00Scott M said ... "Does that mean you think un...Scott M said ... "Does that mean you think universal health care is a left-wing or a right-wing cause?"<br /><br />It's a right-wing cause. As Greenwald recently wrote (on July 7th): "Congressional Democrats began the health care debate by categorically vowing -- in writing, by the dozens -- never to support any health care bill that did not contain a public option (on the ground that it would be little more than a boon to -- an entrenchment of -- the private health insurance industry) ... (and that debate followed the same template as the deficit battle: the White House publicly pretending to advocate for a public option while leading the way in private to ensure it never happened)."John Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71477038608167783592011-07-15T15:27:34.653-05:002011-07-15T15:27:34.653-05:00Scott, John:
Maybe the terms "left" and...Scott, John:<br /><br />Maybe the terms "left" and "right" are not terribly helpful? Even "liberal" and "conservative" don't work, if one wants to talk about both historical perspectives and current situations back and forth.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3925665290983633792011-07-15T15:22:25.875-05:002011-07-15T15:22:25.875-05:00I'll give it a shot. Does that mean you think...I'll give it a shot. Does that mean you think universal health care is a left-wing or a right-wing cause?Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21303454565487259432011-07-15T15:19:47.677-05:002011-07-15T15:19:47.677-05:00Scott M: Thanks for giving me the opportunity to b...Scott M: Thanks for giving me the opportunity to bring this back around to the subject of Ann's post. One of Greenwald's greatest services has been to demonstrate that Obama = Bush. You should read him sometime.John Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19092589080774381312011-07-15T15:12:47.554-05:002011-07-15T15:12:47.554-05:00The analogy you cited would make universal health ...The analogy you cited would make universal health care a right-wing ideal, ie, conservative. This is about as far from reality as you could get.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73733243478859849862011-07-15T15:11:29.943-05:002011-07-15T15:11:29.943-05:00Who invented PC (the ultimate in control of speech...Who invented PC (the ultimate in control of speech and expression in our time)? The left or the right?Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24442055690970119552011-07-15T15:09:17.491-05:002011-07-15T15:09:17.491-05:00Scott M:
That's funny, because by my lights a...Scott M:<br /><br />That's funny, because by my lights and Karl Hess' (who was Barry Goldwater's speech writer) the greater government control, interference, planning, etc, the further RIGHT you go. The less, the further LEFT.John Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40956309702570148642011-07-15T15:03:42.285-05:002011-07-15T15:03:42.285-05:00That's all well and good, John, and I'm no...That's all well and good, John, and I'm not ignorant at all in the historic context of the words left and right. I'm also aware of the difference between what we now commonly consider "liberal" versus what a "classical liberal" would believe in. Finally, I'm also aware of the nice trick the progressives pulled when they successfully ascribed violence and coercion on the part of authority to the right.<br /><br />Basically, it boils down to this and doesn't need to be any more complicated. From left to right;<br /><br />Absolute Tyranny...moderates...absolute anarchy.<br /><br />The greater government control, interference, planning, etc, the further left you go. The less, the further right. Libertarians do not espouse anarchy. They espouse the least amount of centralized government required for a civilized society to work. In the case of my compatriots in STL Libertarian groups, that basically boils down to Constructionist.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41476515400489609602011-07-15T14:55:07.092-05:002011-07-15T14:55:07.092-05:00Roddy:
As Karl Hess says in the piece I linked to...Roddy:<br /><br />As Karl Hess says in the piece I linked to, most liberals are to the "right" of most conservatives, because they firmly believe in bureaucracy and concentrated power, in the rule of the few wise over the ignorant masses. I despise liberals as much as I suspect you do.<br /><br />My use of the terms "left" and "right" may be unorthodox and contrary to common usage, but my usage of these terms is not peculiar to me, and there is value in this usage, which I indicated in a comment above finds support in history. There is a fine tradition in this country of hating "the Man." There is a class war in this country, and it's between the political class and the productive class.John Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76361375348792662892011-07-15T14:39:21.964-05:002011-07-15T14:39:21.964-05:00John K:
Well then, I guess it is settled. The pra...John K:<br /><br />Well then, I guess it is settled. The practical and philosophical construct of two centuries of Left wing thought and actions are thus proven to be in error.<br /><br />I had long suspected as much.Roddy Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074062322486005107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26027348932138360792011-07-15T14:04:28.533-05:002011-07-15T14:04:28.533-05:00Robert Cook wrote, Or, yes, it may have been an un...Robert Cook wrote, <i>Or, yes, it may have been an unseemly bit of ego and hubris originating with Greenwald himself.</i><br /><br />Saying Greenwald may have a bit of ego and hubris is like saying molten lava may be a bit warm.<br /><br /><i>That said, it does not impeach Greenwald's work in the least, or diminish the force and value of his critiques of the wretched state of affairs of our affairs of state.</i><br /><br />"Does not impeach"? If the value of his work is so great, why was he himself so unsure of it as to use sock puppets to fake support?<br /><br />But in any case, there isn't a lot of value to impeach. There's not much more value in Greenwald than there is in Keith Olbermann. I'd call Greenwald a hypocritical, lying-by-omission polemicist, but I'm sure he doesn't need the flattery.<br /><br />(And I'm so impressed by Cook's metathesis! He's absolutely Kennedy-esque! Obama could take lessons from him!)Nate Whilkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03309570046510278367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75699673241303326082011-07-15T13:54:46.743-05:002011-07-15T13:54:46.743-05:00Roddy Boyd:
I simply don't accept your defini...Roddy Boyd:<br /><br />I simply don't accept your definition of "the left." Here are a couple sources that support my definition:<br /><br />http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libertarianism/<br /><br />http://c4ss.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Karl_Hess_forprint.pdfJohn Kindleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897832130417651667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71975885625022196272011-07-15T13:44:55.340-05:002011-07-15T13:44:55.340-05:00"It wasn't a 'tempest in a teapot'...<i>"It wasn't a 'tempest in a teapot' Cook, it was in fact the capstone on Greenwald discrediting himself."</i><br /><br />I didn't say it was a <i>"tempest in a teapot."</i> <br /><br />Much as you would like to believe or present it as <i>"the capstone on Greenwald discrediting himself,"</i> it was no such thing. Those events happened at a time when he was still little-known and little-read. In the years since, he has become ever more visible in the media, and his voice is, contrary to so many other of the omnipresent talking heads from media and the government who pollute our public discourse, one of rare seriousness and reliability.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45045042342187486932011-07-15T13:35:58.009-05:002011-07-15T13:35:58.009-05:00Fen said:
"(Greenwald's alleged sockpupp...Fen said:<br /><br /><i>"(Greenwald's alleged sockpuppetry) impeaches his credibility."</i><br /><br />Not at all. Greenwald's commentary stands or falls on its own merits. When he offers statements of purported fact, one can check his facts for accuracy or error, truth or falsehood. When he offers opinion or draws conclusions from the facts he offers, one can consider whether he is internally consistent and logical, and, if his facts are correct, whether the conclusions he draws are reasonable or not.<br /><br />In sum, it is his professional published work that is pertinent to his creditbility, not any personal eccentricities or failings, not any minor peccadillos involving sock puppets. <br /><br />One may have sound or unsound reasons to disagree with his conclusions, but he is entirely credible as an analyst of the manifold ills of our empire as it thrashes about wantonly in its waning years.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48526376732619026422011-07-15T13:34:50.687-05:002011-07-15T13:34:50.687-05:00John K:
I'm sure youre intentions are of the ...John K:<br /><br />I'm sure youre intentions are of the highest order, and you're a civil sort, so we'll leave things at this:<br /><br />The first principle of the Left has been to increase the power of the state at the expense of the market. There may well be good intentions at the center of this--though the amount of dead in states that emphasize Communist/Socialist thought leads me to think otherwise--but it can't plausibly be argued that Statists want to devolve power to individuals. <br /><br />Practically put, a left Libertarian is a someone who is a liberal/progressive on economic matters and a Libertarian on so called lifestyle issues, like drugs and sexual/personal relations.<br /><br />They are, in other words, a kosher pulled pork sandwich.Roddy Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18074062322486005107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44443225816752267842011-07-15T13:23:21.406-05:002011-07-15T13:23:21.406-05:00It wasn't a "tempest in a teapot" Co...It wasn't a "tempest in a teapot" Cook, it was in fact the capstone on Greenwald discrediting himself.<br /><br />Much like you do here to yourself.Cincinnatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10424218376882403880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78005018121878057832011-07-15T12:44:50.944-05:002011-07-15T12:44:50.944-05:00"hear" not "here"
Tits and Ho..."hear" not "here"<br /><br />Tits and Hogs and Pinched Loaves.<br /><br />Actually abs are equally important to huge sculpted muscular arms. You can have huge arms but if your abs are lacking the value of the large muscular arms are greatly diminished.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505398901816313803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43067745364705459772011-07-15T12:42:38.513-05:002011-07-15T12:42:38.513-05:00I am not a techno geek at all. I don't facebo...I am not a techno geek at all. I don't facebook or twitter because I don't want anyone to know where I am. I don't want to here from some "long lost friend".<br /><br />My Indian UK husband,<br /> who is really hot and has huge muscular arms,<br /> gets on my apps moving and ready to go.<br /><br />But I do love my Ipod and MacBook so I am very excited about Ipad 2. He purchased me the most fabulous one, natch.<br /><br />I can't wait to open Pandora's "Box".<br /><br />Big sculpted muscular arms are probably one of the most important things in the world.<br /><br />tits.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505398901816313803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77012127461490299972011-07-15T12:14:08.622-05:002011-07-15T12:14:08.622-05:00The Greenwald complaint seems a little cry-babyish...The Greenwald complaint seems a little cry-babyish. Our genial hostess gave an interpretation or analysis of his remarks. <br /><br />He can reasonably deny or refute her offerings, but her post wasn't underhanded. She invited readers to hear his own words as he spoke them. Further, the readers knew it was an excerpt; it was up to the readers to decide if they wanted to hear more. <br /><br />Did Greenwald say something in the larger piece that directly contradicts Professor Althouse's analysis? I don't know; I chose not to pursue it. <br /><br />I don't much care about Greenwald, one way or the other. I read him once in awhile, find his bombast funny, his posture toward Israel vile, and his all-but-certain sockpuppetry hilarious.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65042025797071890682011-07-15T11:44:00.207-05:002011-07-15T11:44:00.207-05:00It is very cool Scott M. We set it up in the yard ...It is very cool Scott M. We set it up in the yard with this little speaker that our friend turned us on to and it is like a stereo system in a tiny little computer. Great sound and great selection.<br /><br />Plus all the games and you can do your email and post on Facebook and that other nonsense.<br /><br />I am a Luddite but I can get behind this thing I tells ya.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19572268666162769062011-07-15T11:39:32.994-05:002011-07-15T11:39:32.994-05:00Pandora is the best thing since a polio vaccine. ...Pandora is the best thing since a polio vaccine. During the radio years, I was up on all the new bands coming down the pike, but these days I simply don't have the time. The genetic model they're using works quite well along with your thumbs up and down.<br /><br />It's allowed me to discover "new" bands like Death Cab For Cutie and Florence + The Machine. With the outlets I normally use, I never would have discovered them otherwise.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.com