tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7440412733104524420..comments2024-03-28T04:08:06.986-05:00Comments on Althouse: I don't get the point or the tone of this.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70793684451136848472007-09-17T08:09:00.000-05:002007-09-17T08:09:00.000-05:00Ann:Should I go out and buy this book ? Is that yo...Ann:<BR/><BR/>Should I go out and buy this book ? Is that your only answer to my question? <BR/><BR/>Your post made it sound like this sterotype was omnipresent- are you now ducking my original question? I would like a few examples (even anecdotal) of why you said this sterotype is so accepted and by whom it is accepted.<BR/><BR/>ThanksI'm Full of Souphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241724007440718575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15888194960644203122007-09-17T07:16:00.000-05:002007-09-17T07:16:00.000-05:00Palladian's comments are models of wit, originalit...Palladian's comments are models of wit, originality, and clarity of thought. Compare them with LOS' mode of expression:<BR/>"Provide evidence, asshole"<BR/><BR/>That says it all.<BR/><BR/>Stendhal was so right -- "Le style, c'est l'homme."tjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162785796605831050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30189230432844546572007-09-17T04:45:00.000-05:002007-09-17T04:45:00.000-05:00These stereotypes -- about black people wearing cl...<I>These stereotypes -- about black people wearing clothes not appropriate to their station in life and so forth -- go back at least to the post-Civil War Era.</I><BR/><BR/>Ann, with all due respect I think you've totally missed the point.<BR/><BR/>This isn't about "dressing above your station". If a poor black guy wanted to look like a member of my "station" he'd wear jeans and a t-shirt from Target, or maybe some khakis and a shirt from the Gap.<BR/><BR/>A guy who buys a gold chain and $300 dollar shoes is not trying to dress "above his station". He's trying to look richer than his peers, TO his peers. He's looking for social status within his own community, not within society at large. How many black men buy expensive clothes, cars, and jewelry to impress <B>white</B> people? Like we're going to care?Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10710445628596790182007-09-17T04:44:00.000-05:002007-09-17T04:44:00.000-05:00Michael Bloomberg is worth $5.5 Billion. That mean...Michael Bloomberg is worth $5.5 Billion. That means that if he earned 3% interest (and he probably earned more) he gave away his interest income. When he retires, he's expected to sell his company and get somewhere around another $7 to $9 billion. <BR/><BR/>Not so impressive now huh? Plus, it was probably all tax write offs.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72275933344279629812007-09-17T00:12:00.000-05:002007-09-17T00:12:00.000-05:00Speaking of BLING:Michael Bloomberg gave $165 mill...Speaking of BLING:<BR/><BR/>Michael Bloomberg gave $165 million to more than 1,000 charities in 2006.Luckyoldsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86063765887163464082007-09-16T22:51:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:51:00.000-05:00Palladian,Provide evidence, asshole.And, hey...I d...Palladian,<BR/>Provide evidence, asshole.<BR/><BR/>And, hey...I don't care if you're gay or straight: <BR/><BR/>You're still a lying asshole.Luckyoldsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30606231584579285442007-09-16T22:41:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:41:00.000-05:00Oh, and the term wigger is ridiculously offensive ...Oh, and the term wigger is ridiculously offensive IMO.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824506338738265111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38087749720885288872007-09-16T22:40:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:40:00.000-05:00I don't get the point of his post - it doesn't see...I don't get the point of his post - it doesn't seem to say anything.<BR/><BR/>But, the video has nothing to do with chavs. It's British schoolkids, one of whom tried to act hip talking about Beyonce and her bling bling but got the term wrong and called it bing bing. Then the other two laugh at her for not knowing the American slang while she gets all pissy. The only connection between the article and the clip is the word bling. The clip doesn't make fun of certain stereotypes nor does it seem to indulge in them. And those kids aren't chavs. Not a label in sight = not chavs.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824506338738265111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72395155037175968402007-09-16T22:32:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:32:00.000-05:00Steve Simels and LuckyOldSon are vile antigay big...Steve Simels and LuckyOldSon are vile antigay bigots.Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14909237247664367622007-09-16T22:02:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:02:00.000-05:00rcocean said... -Could someone post the same Yo...rcocean said...<BR/><BR/> -Could someone post the same You-tube video with subtitles?<BR/><BR/>No<BR/><BR/> -Could someone tell me what "Bling" is?<BR/><BR/>Really shiny stuff.<BR/><BR/> -And what conservative thinks Andrew Sullivan is also a "Conservative"?<BR/><BR/>Bill KristolLuckyoldsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14828158497436105112007-09-16T21:53:00.000-05:002007-09-16T21:53:00.000-05:00-Could someone post the same You-tube video with s...-Could someone post the same You-tube video with subtitles?<BR/><BR/>-Could someone tell me what "Bling" is?<BR/><BR/>-And what conservative thinks Andrew Sullivan is also a "Conservative"?rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37471371991085692302007-09-16T21:49:00.000-05:002007-09-16T21:49:00.000-05:00steve,You're wasting your time.Whether they admit ...steve,<BR/>You're wasting your time.<BR/><BR/>Whether they admit it or not, the "gang" has typecast you as an unworthy troll, moonbat, liberal, lefty or whatever else isn't what most here feel one should be.Luckyoldsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3568597591263332252007-09-16T21:27:00.000-05:002007-09-16T21:27:00.000-05:00As I noted earlier, there's an important distincti...<I><BR/>As I noted earlier, there's an important distinction to be made between racialism versus racism.<BR/><BR/>Commenting on or noticing different racial behavior is not racism. Viewing one race as innately inferior (or superior) to another is racism.<BR/><BR/>SMG</I><BR/><BR/>The whole point of nudge-nudge wink-wink racism is to allow racists to say disgusting things that they know would get them shunned if they actually came out and said them.<BR/><BR/>There's a lot of people around here who are guilty of it; the giveaway is always the glee with which an asshole like ricpic says something like "Apparently, in academia as it is now constituted, the failure to praise blacks and hispanics without reservation marks one as a racist" as he did up thread.<BR/><BR/>On the OJ thread upstairs, he got a little careless and actually blurted out an (attemptedly veiled)<BR/>out and out racial slur.<BR/><BR/>And even Ann had to call him on it.steve simelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247393763004076992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1857134956985582692007-09-16T21:20:00.000-05:002007-09-16T21:20:00.000-05:00SMGalbraith - Racism is a serious charge. Those wh...SMGalbraith - <I>Racism is a serious charge. Those who engage in it are immoral, unethical, and if done in the public sector, committing crimes.<BR/><BR/>If we wish to eradicate as much bigotry as we can, we need to use the charge of prejudice seriously and with maturity. Otherwise, the charge loses its power.</I><BR/><BR/>Sounds like you embrace a totalitarian fascist approach, rather than accept Americans are free to hold whatever beliefs they want without interference of the Thought Police.<BR/><BR/>As long as "racism" "sexism" etc. do not amount to direct job discrimination or result in threats of harm or actual harm to others.<BR/><BR/>With most Asians and majorities of black, white, Muslim people harboring certain racist or sexist views - you can't call them immoral, unethical - as they do not deviate from majoritarian norms. Nor even criminal - as most litigation from harmful racist acts is in the civil arena.<BR/><BR/><I>we need to use the charge of prejudice seriously and with maturity</I><BR/><BR/>What "charge"? People are free to have their prejudices as long as they do not trammle the rights of others in an unreasonable manner. Prejudices can be very useful behaviors if they are based on true facts. Prejudices serve to enhance safety of individuals, allow them to assess risks of interactions that "prejudice-blind" people willfully ignore.<BR/><BR/>Just as importantly, charges of prejudice, racism, genderism, Islamophobia, gay hatred, classism, etc. are used by Lefties to try and shut down rational debate on important subjects. Like why blacks exceed their population percentages in prison population. Why woman should or should not serve in combat, or unlike men "serve only if they choose to." Why Asians feel it is OK to despise classes of people that do not show proper respect. Why employers should be able to honestly state they will not tolerate people who "have different multiculti values" about showing up to work or completing assignments on time.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48422013936024873672007-09-16T21:15:00.000-05:002007-09-16T21:15:00.000-05:00Go upstairs to the OJ thread. The same regular I w...<I>Go upstairs to the OJ thread. The same regular I was calling out here made an out and out racist remark.</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry, one person equals "all the time"?<BR/><BR/>I'm not doubting that, unfortunately, some knuckleheads (to be charitable) still exist.<BR/><BR/>And they should be slammed.<BR/><BR/>But, a (let us say) liberal use of the accusation without substance only makes the claim less powerful over time.<BR/><BR/>It's a serious charge. <BR/><BR/>To be sure, those of us on the Right sometimes (often?) dismiss the bigotry that still exists out there.<BR/><BR/>But those on your side sometimes (often?) recklessly throw the charge around.<BR/><BR/>As I noted earlier, there's an important distinction to be made between racialism versus racism. <BR/><BR/>Commenting on or noticing different racial behavior is not racism. Viewing one race as innately inferior (or superior) to another is racism.<BR/><BR/>SMGSteve M. Galbraithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01728237625873443198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24254760990300277632007-09-16T20:59:00.000-05:002007-09-16T20:59:00.000-05:00SMGalbraith said... "I'm making fun of the nudg...<I>SMGalbraith said...<BR/><BR/> "I'm making fun of the nudge-nudge wink-wink racism that pops up all the time here, including on this thread."<BR/><BR/> You've made this claim about a dozen times already.<BR/><BR/> Let's have some documentation. Not your feelings or your sense or your suspicions.</I><BR/><BR/>Go upstairs to the OJ thread. The same regular I was calling out here made an out and out racist remark.<BR/><BR/>It was so rank even Ann had to call him on it.steve simelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247393763004076992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42840911615682507482007-09-16T20:24:00.000-05:002007-09-16T20:24:00.000-05:00You all go ahead and feed the trolls. I've spent ...You all go ahead and feed the trolls. I've spent the last hour watching some very sexy vids of Dr. Who. That Sullivan video linked to another of the unfunny comic with David Tennant which lead to another. You know how it goes with YouTube. So I'm happy.<BR/><BR/>Besides, everyone knows bling before cocktail hour is vulgar.Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623422545436294378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73336376072621300282007-09-16T20:19:00.000-05:002007-09-16T20:19:00.000-05:00Althouse - He's put up a post that seems gleeful a...Althouse - <I>He's put up a post that seems gleeful about what has long been an offensive stereotype.</I><BR/><BR/>There are lots of things about an ethnicity or race that may be offensive, but true. And in real life, economic decisions are made in consequences to those facts. And so too with real life societal behavior.<BR/><BR/>When those facts are condemned as "stereotypes" - in a sense it is a plea to deny truth and reality in favor of a "No differences in any race or ethnicity are allowed by my ideology. Ever!" <BR/><BR/>If you are in Japan, and are white or black, chances are their condoms are too small to be usable and if you buy them anyways, determined to not heed stereotypes, you're out of luck.<BR/><BR/>And if you are a jewelry merchant, you best not specialize in "Bling" sales to the Nantucket summering crowd...but look for where black athletes and hispanic drug dealers shop. If you ignore facts to avoid stereotypes, you are screwed.<BR/><BR/>Similarly when society imposes "discrimination" penalties on groups simply for the uneven success different races or ethnicities have at different things to "deny the Jewish entreprenuer myth over Slovaks ability", the "S Korea drycleaner stereotype" - then wise social policy - to avoid stereotypes - is to have policies that "level things".<BR/><BR/>No bling sales in ghettos if they aren't sold in equal amounts in white shopping malls. Quotas on Jews in business to the Slovaks "discriminated against" can achieve "equality" of results. No more small business loans to Korean immigrants for dry cleaning stores...more need to go into "bling sales" and forestry jobs. <BR/><BR/>And no stereotypical humor ever about small Japanese penises!Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77031831063787742342007-09-16T20:17:00.000-05:002007-09-16T20:17:00.000-05:00I'm making fun of the nudge-nudge wink-wink racism...<I>I'm making fun of the nudge-nudge wink-wink racism that pops up all the time here, including on this thread.</I><BR/><BR/>You've made this claim about a dozen times already.<BR/><BR/>Let's have some documentation. Not your feelings or your sense or your suspicions.<BR/><BR/>Racism is a serious charge. Those who engage in it are immoral, unethical, and if done in the public sector, committing crimes.<BR/><BR/>If we wish to eradicate as much bigotry as we can, we need to use the charge of prejudice seriously and with maturity. Otherwise, the charge loses its power.<BR/><BR/>As the late great Arthur Ashe stated, the chief obstacle to black Americans is racism; but second to that is the false claim of racism that only excuses self-destructive behavior.<BR/><BR/>SMGSteve M. Galbraithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01728237625873443198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41258462547705537912007-09-16T19:52:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:52:00.000-05:00Hmmm...Whenever I stumble through here, I always f...Hmmm...<BR/><BR/>Whenever I stumble through here, I always feel like I'm visiting another planet. <BR/><BR/>A lot of rich whites seem to like Rolexes, $10,000 bottles of wines, and - gasp - silver Audi coupes.<BR/><BR/>Was Veblen talking about blacks when he used the phrase "conspicuous consumption?"<BR/><BR/>atb,<BR/><BR/>BonzoMr. B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02067666077743889680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37769451736894160952007-09-16T19:37:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:37:00.000-05:00Being in politics is like being a football coach. ...Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important. <BR/>Eugene McCarthy<BR/>US politician (1916 - 2005)Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38942841280929154032007-09-16T19:36:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:36:00.000-05:00Meade said... Steve, we're discussing racial st...<I>Meade said...<BR/><BR/> Steve, we're discussing racial stereotypes and popular notions of race, class, and humanity.<BR/><BR/> Try to keep up.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>With all due respect, blow it out your ass.<BR/><BR/>I'm making fun of the nudge-nudge wink-wink racism that pops up all the time here, including on this thread.steve simelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247393763004076992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66701161202176034052007-09-16T19:30:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:30:00.000-05:00Steve, we're discussing racial stereotypes and pop...Steve, we're discussing racial stereotypes and popular notions of race, class, and humanity. <BR/><BR/>Try to keep up.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316388500723034455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24919125901880542802007-09-16T19:28:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:28:00.000-05:00"I have found a certain type calls himself a Liber..."I have found a certain type calls himself a Liberal...Now I always thought I was a Liberal. I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out that I was a Right-Wing Conservative Extremist, when I listened to everybody's point of view that I ever met, and then decided how I should feel. But this so-called new Liberal group, Jesus, they never listen to your point of view..." John Wayne 1968Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18394921638813130432007-09-16T19:20:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:20:00.000-05:00As a straight person you don't have the right to s...<I>As a straight person you don't have the right to say who or what Palladian should be in bed with.</I><BR/><BR/>God, you're obtuse.steve simelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247393763004076992noreply@blogger.com