tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7419646291468636509..comments2024-03-28T13:50:45.102-05:00Comments on Althouse: Things said about Dick Cheney lead me to reaffirm my decision to vote for Obama.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger174125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61202627176266186972011-01-20T20:28:50.052-06:002011-01-20T20:28:50.052-06:00We needed Pontius Pilate to have Jesus sort of thi...We needed Pontius Pilate to have Jesus sort of thing?Famous Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187686416415148955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24372342096873726022011-01-20T11:53:46.659-06:002011-01-20T11:53:46.659-06:00think about all the angst there would be right now...<i>think about all the angst there would be right now over the lost opportunity to experience the brilliant hope that was Barack Obama. Instead of the wistful imaginings of the glories of Obama administration that could have been, we have the reality.</i><br /><br />Now THAT is a good point.ambahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12042450225428891273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15719225167194197532011-01-20T10:20:58.236-06:002011-01-20T10:20:58.236-06:00Prof. Althouse, your arguments are persuasive and ...Prof. Althouse, your arguments are persuasive and you backed them up with evidence of your judgment prior to events takinkg place. The one exception I take to your post is summed up in your statement that, "[t]he Democrats did a lot more damage than I thought possible."<br /><br />I think the extent of the damage done by the Democrats was as foreseeable as the benefits you predicted for the election of President Obama. In my opinion, the damage done outweighs the benefits, and by a wide margin. Even if McCain would have gone along with some of what the Congress came up with in 2009-2010, the worst of it would likely have been avoided. What good is it if the President finally takes certain national security issues seriously when he and his fellow Democrats have come close to putting the country in a financial hole from which it may well be impossible to emerge?Richard Faginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00578733720191838363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73037572207290258082011-01-20T00:57:29.017-06:002011-01-20T00:57:29.017-06:00You can use such logic for anything. Then you sho...You can use such logic for anything. Then you should have voted for Gore because for the next eight years we had to hear how stupid Bush was and how clever Al Gore was.BAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12925193069099676250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38440705499249288352011-01-19T23:16:36.276-06:002011-01-19T23:16:36.276-06:00dick,
You both pointed out that when McCain stopp...dick,<br /><br /><i>You both pointed out that when McCain stopped his campaign to be involved in the financial crisis resolution that that was when he lost you. Actually it was the choice that McCain made that made my final decision solid.</i><br /><br />While there was no way I was voting for anybody associated with either Saul Alinsky or (!) Bill Ayers, I, too, have always found the reaction to Mac's decision to be bizarre. I mean, either we had a crisis or we didn't. I thought a responsible adult (or patriot) saying "Forget kissing babies, we've got work to do!" was impressive, but, of course, the electorate wanted an <i>American Idol</i> contest - that's not a dig at Ann but just how I saw it - and anybody that treated governing like it was important was disqualified.<br /><br />Sanjaya won.The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28297675393237587832011-01-19T22:22:15.196-06:002011-01-19T22:22:15.196-06:00MM and Ann,
You both pointed out that when McCain ...MM and Ann,<br />You both pointed out that when McCain stopped his campaign to be involved in the financial crisis resolution that that was when he lost you. It seems to me that his was the right decision. The point is that whoever was elected president, and it would be one of the two of them, the major problem they would face was the financial crisis. I would far rather the president was involved in analyzing the financial crisis and the approach that the legislature would take and the enforcement that would be required than for the president to wing it, which is what we ended up with thanks to your votes people who voted like you. It just seems that it would be better for the president to be involved than for us to listen to some more photo-ops, which is what the debates ended up being. Actually it was the choice that McCain made that made my final decision solid.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78984634457826680482011-01-19T21:40:53.390-06:002011-01-19T21:40:53.390-06:00I think the idea that unless and until we can get ...I think the idea that unless and until we can get a 100% total and complete conservative in the White House then we are better off with big spending Democrats is just insane. Crazy. Nuts. And Stupid.<br /><br />Right now, we are hoping that Congress can cut spending back to 2008 levels. That is seen as a huge improvement. Think about that.Terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226693134160057218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84881678173786693272011-01-19T21:37:48.687-06:002011-01-19T21:37:48.687-06:00Cedarford:
I don't think McCain would have wo...Cedarford:<br /><br />I don't think McCain would have worked night and day to appease the Democrats and if you would rather see one in the White House, why do you care anyway?<br /><br />McCain never supported ear marks, he is a free marketer, he is pro life and he did not support the trillion dollar stimulus or Obamacare, that right there is a couple of trillion reasons why he would have been a better president.Terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226693134160057218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33043549809836140022011-01-19T20:45:32.903-06:002011-01-19T20:45:32.903-06:00Three predictions for Election Day 2012:
Who'...<i>Three predictions for Election Day 2012:<br /><br /></i>Who's running?<br /><br />That should be your first prediction. The others might follow more logically.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90833415336159162152011-01-19T20:15:48.258-06:002011-01-19T20:15:48.258-06:00Me, truly sorry, but I'm not buying it. Too c...Me, truly sorry, but I'm not buying it. Too convoluted by half. Occam's Razor says a quintessential case of white guilt.G Jouberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00521745492112085630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74608707498733537232011-01-19T19:58:13.291-06:002011-01-19T19:58:13.291-06:00JAL,
Hey -- maybe a new line for the Prof --
&quo...JAL,<br /><br /><i>Hey -- maybe a new line for the Prof --<br />"there seems to be more going on here"</i><br /><br />Or "This is personal" (it does get that way sometimes,...)The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36150225629147094432011-01-19T19:47:26.854-06:002011-01-19T19:47:26.854-06:00@ CJinPA but there seems to be more going on here
...@ CJinPA <i>but there seems to be more going on here</i><br /><br />Yup. There is.<br /><br />Hey -- maybe a new line for the Prof --<br />"there seems to be more going on here"JALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15503869597362866878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3613496286510333752011-01-19T19:40:10.719-06:002011-01-19T19:40:10.719-06:00There ain't nothin' sharp about your conse...There ain't nothin' sharp about your conservative politics, Lady.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56420960110304821532011-01-19T19:24:38.066-06:002011-01-19T19:24:38.066-06:00Three predictions for Election Day 2012:
1. Alth...Three predictions for Election Day 2012:<br /><br />1. Althouse will vote for Barack Obama (absentee or early voting counts for Election Day 2012).<br /><br />2. Barack Obama will win re-election.<br /><br />3. The comments section on Althouse that day and in the days immediately following shall be filled with serious comedy gold.somefellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013403004665789644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32262081811029787722011-01-19T18:26:25.897-06:002011-01-19T18:26:25.897-06:00Terrye said...
Oh please. I am so tired of hearing...Terrye said...<br />Oh please. I am so tired of hearing people explain away their vote for Obama by saying we would not have the Tea Party or whatever. For one thing, I doubt that, for another it is like saying we should be happy the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because we got a new Navy out of it<br />==========<br />That actually worked out well for us, the matter of "TELL IT TO THE SACRED VICTIM FAMILIES OF THE USS ARIZONA!!!" aside. And 200,000 others. <br />It forced us ito a war that we would have been drawn into eventually, with higher casualties than we ended up taking, and ending with the Soviet Empire stretching from Spain to Korea.<br /><br />McCain would have worked night and day to appease Democrats and his "special friends in Israel and the NY Times" - by giving them 90% of what they wanted.<br /><br />The difference between McCain and Obama?<br /><br />1. A modified Obamacare.<br />2. Same bailouts made by Obama for wealthy Jewish and WASP Wallstreeters and California mansion-owners, but pinned soley on Republicans as "Party of the Rich".<br />3. Unlike Obama, McCain would have shut down GITMO and Amnestied the Illegals as "matters of personal McCain honor".<br />4. Plus, a 3rd major war. With Iran. As McCains "best pal" Sen Joe Lieberman (IND-Tel Aviv) requested.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80356896043714241312011-01-19T17:46:20.001-06:002011-01-19T17:46:20.001-06:00"I'm not saying there wasn't a down s..."I'm not saying there wasn't a down side." Oh, that's really rich. That belongs right up there with "Other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"Beldarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404583858244777905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55307101445560154172011-01-19T17:23:59.957-06:002011-01-19T17:23:59.957-06:00Althouse, That's quite a web you're weavin...Althouse, That's quite a web you're weaving. However, your vote didn't elect Obama. He would have won without you. Just think, you could have voted for McCain and still enjoyed any perceived upside of an Obama victory. That's a win-win as far as I'm concerned. And just think about all the time and energy you'd save trying to think this stuff up!Bushman of the Kohlrabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195084346440543676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29612607444710311022011-01-19T17:17:02.370-06:002011-01-19T17:17:02.370-06:00MM,
Thanks for the info. At the first link, a big...MM,<br /><br />Thanks for the info. At the first link, a big dip is shown post-Palin, but that is then followed by a big jump, so I don't know how that would show Palin brought the campaign down. At the second link, the graphs show Palin and McCain dropping at the same time ("eerie")(which also supposedly correlates with the economic situation). It doesn't seem strange to me that candidates on the same ticket would follow a similar path (but maybe this isn't normal?). Obama and Biden seem to follow the same general pattern of being similar to each other too, though not as closely. <br /><br />Regardless, my point was that had she been VP, there would have been an interesting shakeup at the White House. Good or bad, she would have had a substantial effect on where we would be today.Jennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821886043782366822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17632051596618984202011-01-19T16:53:32.299-06:002011-01-19T16:53:32.299-06:00Lyssa,
I did read your whole comment, that's ...Lyssa,<br /><br />I <i>did</i> read your whole comment, that's why I said I agreed with your "not as bad as feared" conclusion. I merely meant to object to your use of "better" and "stronger" in place of the more accurate "not quite as lame" and "less pathetic".<br /><br />Maybe I just woke up on the argumentative side of the bed this morning; if so, sorry... :-/Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27618266556586842852011-01-19T16:46:14.506-06:002011-01-19T16:46:14.506-06:00Oh please. I am so tired of hearing people explain...Oh please. I am so tired of hearing people explain away their vote for Obama by saying we would not have the Tea Party or whatever. For one thing, I doubt that, for another it is like saying we should be happy the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because we got a new Navy out of it.<br /><br />I mean come on.Terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226693134160057218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50738386532061720512011-01-19T16:29:43.348-06:002011-01-19T16:29:43.348-06:00Dems own the problems
No they don't. America ...<i>Dems own the problems</i><br /><br />No they don't. America owns the problems they created. You'll never hear anybody from the major news bureaus, major newspapers or any tv shows blame anything on the Dems.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53770758110294707442011-01-19T16:13:45.453-06:002011-01-19T16:13:45.453-06:00Maguro said...
As I recall, the only time McCain e...Maguro said...<br />As I recall, the only time McCain ever led in the polls was immediately after selecting Palin as VP. <br /><br />Does anyone really think McCain would've won if he'd picked Tim Pawlenty or somebody? Seriously...<br /><br />================<br />Palin was good for a novelty "Convention Bump", just like Ferraro was for Mondale...but that was as lasting as Ferraros "bump" as voters looked at both ladies.<br />Madison Man saw the same correlation I did. As Palin got further beloved and enraptured the Evangelicals - McCain dropped after each major Palin "moment" as independents deserted him. Even when Goddess Sarah was vibrant and pithy at rallies she sort of spotlighted McCain as old, incoherent.<br /><br />Would McCain have won with another candidate? I think if he had named Romney as VP and made Romney pointman to fix the economy - desperate voters might have gone that way.<br /><br />1. Not that Mitt would have signed on to what people saw as a dismal McCain candidacy.<br />2. And if McCain-Romney had won, full blame for the trillions in banks & corporate welfare, mass joblessness due to free trade with China McCain was an architect of would have been square on Republicans. <br />And further McCain misadventures would have meant endless McCain "deals" with Pelosi and Reid, that would have finished off the Republican Party.<br /><br />No, better McCain lost. Dems own the problems and lost their "enemy rights", "great affordable healthcare for all", and "tough on the fatcat rich of Wall Street" allure. They also insisted if we only had a black Messiah in office all our problems would go away and the world would love us/ To find out the problems persist, the world doesn't bow to a morally superior black man in charge, and The One is doing 90% of what Bush finally decided he had to do in the Presidency.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75017697781482433592011-01-19T15:35:01.207-06:002011-01-19T15:35:01.207-06:00So two years after voting for this disaster of a p...So two years after voting for this disaster of a president, you have finally found a way to rationalize having done so.Yr. Fthfl. Svnt.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16155664338380127475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55087312122672164522011-01-19T15:07:10.347-06:002011-01-19T15:07:10.347-06:00bagoh20,
So we agree, that a third Bush term woul...bagoh20,<br /><br /><i>So we agree, that a third Bush term would be better than either Obama or McCain.</i><br /><br />Yes!The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15921134816587396782011-01-19T15:04:01.650-06:002011-01-19T15:04:01.650-06:00CJinPA,
Assholes.
Needs work?
You've got t...CJinPA,<br /><br /><i>Assholes. <br /><br />Needs work?</i><br /><br />You've got the attitude right; now you just need to work on style.The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.com