tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7404365672978358865..comments2024-03-19T01:52:00.810-05:00Comments on Althouse: Obama's Poland gaffe — you know, it was a Poland gaffe that lost the election in 1976 for Gerald Ford.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger137125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29043692893089146402012-06-01T23:44:01.679-05:002012-06-01T23:44:01.679-05:00Antisemitism was everywhere before WWII. In Cana...Antisemitism was everywhere before WWII. In Canada before the war in a major city ,one elderly man told me there was a sign on the boardwalk that read, " no Jews or Blacks allowed" You do not need to go to Eastern Europe to find it. What about the 2 shiploads of Eastern European Jews who showed up in New York in 1939 that were turned back by the USA? What about the lack of any action on behalf of the West when they knew mass killings of Jews were taking place in the death camps?<br />Human nature is human nature, one does not truly know how they would react in a similar circumstance! <br />Joh Burack is an anti -slav based on his posts. There is a lot of anti-slavic sentiment in these posts. What a shame given these people so actively purport to be judges of actions and intents of mass amounts of people in Eastern Europe. Read the book by Timothy Snyder, BLOODLANDS, Europe between Hitler and Stalin for a better understanding of the immense complex decisions that had to be make by many relatively uneducated people in a time where there was not mass media or internet?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03722274273345944418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12970779272206086222012-05-31T13:58:09.546-05:002012-05-31T13:58:09.546-05:00and then Ford's successor, Jimmy Carter, lost ...and then Ford's successor, Jimmy Carter, lost the NEXT election after the president's translator mistakenly wrote into Carter's speech that Jimmy "understood the lusts of the Polish people. I can still remember seeing the newsvideo of Polish dignitaries exchanging nervous glances while Carter was speaking. Even worse, the speechwriter liked the line so much he kept repeating it throuhout the speech. (Instead of "lust", he meant to say "aspirations"<br /><br />What is it about Poland and presidential politics?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07790326648404525772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88218243137799856602012-05-31T10:52:22.566-05:002012-05-31T10:52:22.566-05:00Interesting reminder of Gerald Ford's remarks,...Interesting reminder of Gerald Ford's remarks, Ann.<br /><br />I'm no fan of Obama's, but having made the same gaffe myself, I am perhaps a bit more understanding. He owes the Poles an apology, but it's silly to imply that he doesn't know that the Germans built the death camps, as many of his critics do.<br /><br />Here's my take.<br /><br />http://rworking.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/obamas-polish-gaffe/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1316015809212168412012-05-31T10:01:09.527-05:002012-05-31T10:01:09.527-05:00Polish anti-semitism is a complex issue. The noti...Polish anti-semitism is a complex issue. The notion that Poles were just evil bigots and deserve to be spat upon by anyone who wanders down the pike ignores much of the historical reality of the times, in particular the pernicious influence of Russian propaganda. http://www.lehigh.edu/~inber/sovietoccupation.pdfDon Jansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537159533765056123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82855982536493977632012-05-31T08:00:33.775-05:002012-05-31T08:00:33.775-05:00Obama made a gaffe, and it's true that the cam...Obama made a gaffe, and it's true that the camps were not administered by Poles. However, the Polish outrage is a bit much for me. The Poles were highly complicit in the Holocast, even if they simultaneously hated the Germans. It's my understanding that the Poles went on killing Jews even after the Germans had begun abandoning the camps.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278412362342738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14096492695228004332012-05-31T07:39:08.428-05:002012-05-31T07:39:08.428-05:00Fascism was a counterbalance that drew support fro...Fascism was a counterbalance that drew support from many who had seen the type of people the Red Russians and Red Jews put on their death lists. Many in the Fascist movements in Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and in Latin America were activists that had their minds focused by the fact that People Like Themselves were the ones the Red Terror ultimately sought to liquidate.<br /><br /><br /><br />Fascism was Mussolini's way of making communism palatable to the middle class. Being a good socialist he knew there would be no revolution from the peasant class. Change would only come about when you an recruit the people that actually make society work.<br />BTW Communist that were jews simply thought of themselves as communists first and jews second.<br />BTW Very few camp guardsin Poland were actually Polish. They were mostly Ukranians and Baltic conscripts, Latvians, Lithuanians etc. Germany had a policy of not having camp Guards of the same nationality as their inmates.Kapos<br />were fellow jews.<br /><br />I'm going to have to consult with the elders to find how we are going to deal with an antisemite like yourself.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52822251312185239412012-05-31T03:09:32.974-05:002012-05-31T03:09:32.974-05:00The way he is handling this, and Poland/Russia in ...The way he is handling this, and Poland/Russia in general, is a perfect illustration that foreign policy does not actually = "I killed Osama".MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51096128333904608382012-05-30T21:50:06.408-05:002012-05-30T21:50:06.408-05:00-----If the Germans ran an airport in Poland, it w...-----If the Germans ran an airport in Poland, it would be called a Polish airport.<br /><br />It's a case of taking offense over nothing. ----<br /><br /><br />Ladies and Gentlemen!! I give you the dumb post of the thread!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17333132048552751053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18899578418788084682012-05-30T21:29:31.137-05:002012-05-30T21:29:31.137-05:00------You have to be willfully stupid and complete...------You have to be willfully stupid and completely ignorant of history to think 'Polish Death Camps' means that the Poles were running them.<br /><br />Actually, you have to be willfully stupid and completely ignorant of history to even use the phrase "Polish Death Camps".<br /><br />This is another data point that demonstrates that Obama is not culturally an American. They weren't learning about the Holocaust in Indonesia.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17333132048552751053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48218149446150473082012-05-30T20:29:43.168-05:002012-05-30T20:29:43.168-05:00"Seriously. Does the man not try out his spee..."Seriously. Does the man not try out his speeches before reading them on the teleprompter. Is there NO one in his administration to say...."hey....that isn't right!"??"<br /><br />That's really his problem. He gives several speeches a day. He just reads off the Teleprompter something some 20-something Ivy League grad wrote the day before. No wonder he sounds like a moron.L:eehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04423345026798364688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21811391954603487962012-05-30T20:28:51.870-05:002012-05-30T20:28:51.870-05:00"Seriously. Does the man not try out his spee..."Seriously. Does the man not try out his speeches before reading them on the telepropmpter. Is there NO one in his administration to say...."hey....that isn't right!"??"<br /><br />That's really his problem. He gives several speeches a day. He just reads off the Teleprompter something some 20-something Ivy League grad wrote the day before. No wonder he sounds like a moron.L:eehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04423345026798364688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77060371078777059362012-05-30T17:59:05.484-05:002012-05-30T17:59:05.484-05:00The Danes were famously tolerant and protective of...The Danes were famously tolerant and protective of their Jewish members. It should also be noted that they were tolerant of their Nazi occupiers. There was no active resistance movement and German soldiers were sent to Copenhagen on R&R.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54725866327644396722012-05-30T17:13:27.401-05:002012-05-30T17:13:27.401-05:00A third possibility is that his NSC and speechwrit...A third possibility is that his NSC and speechwriting staffs are deliberately trying to make Obama look bad. Considering how self-centered and obnoxious so many of his speeches are, can we rule this out?Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53323843113972132762012-05-30T17:06:17.493-05:002012-05-30T17:06:17.493-05:00There's the odd paradox that those countries t...There's the odd paradox that those countries that were allied with Nazi Germany such as Bulgaria and Italy were able to shelter and spare a far larger part of their Jewish population than those that actively fought Nazi occupation. The Poles may have been anti-semitic, but those feelings were nothing compared to their anti-Nazi hatred. They did not, for the most part, risk their lives to save or shelter Jews, but, in the tens of thousands, they did die fighting the Germans. Just as a matter of curiousity, do those here who condemn the Poles for anti-semitism blame the Italians less for the atrocities of WWII. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel that your moral calcuulus is off.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72479618614661951102012-05-30T16:01:11.048-05:002012-05-30T16:01:11.048-05:00Exactly MayBee.
So TelePrompTers have tongues !...Exactly MayBee. <br /><br /><i>So TelePrompTers have tongues ! Who knew ? </i><br /><br />Heh. If Obama were speaking off the cuff it would be bad enough, but if it's written in a speech it means something. It could mean his administration is full of idiots with no sense of propriety or history, or it could mean that it was a purposeful slam. You be the judge.Shannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15709594638793030086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49971750447298935502012-05-30T15:47:24.481-05:002012-05-30T15:47:24.481-05:00This would be like speaking to a Chinese and Japan...<i><br />This would be like speaking to a Chinese and Japanese audience and talking about "the Chinese Death Camps" of WWII.</i><br /><br />Exactly! Let's hear Obama honor a Chinese dissident by talking about the Chinese Rapes at Nanking. After all, it was in China and the Chinese were raped.<br /><br />Then everyone can talk about how horrible the Chinese human rights record really was at the time, rather than how egregious an error it was.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11068829170016180082012-05-30T15:46:10.890-05:002012-05-30T15:46:10.890-05:00Cedarford, you have this all confused -- in additi...Cedarford, you have this all confused -- in addition to your disgusting apologetics linking Jews and Communism. First, there was a brief Polish-Russian War in 1919-1920. This was a war involving the Red Army, overwhelmingly NOT Jewish. Yes some Polish Jews participated in a fake Bolshevik-backed government briefly, but it did not organize any mass slaughter of anyone on its own, as it did nothing on its own. It did what non-Jew Lenin and non-Jew Stalin et al told it to. Whatever was done in Poland that year, in other words, was done by Russian Bolsheviks who were always majority non-Jews no matter how many Jews joined them. In any case, that Polish-Russian war was over in a year. <br /><br />Otherwise, everything else you are talking about is from the time after the Stalin-Hitler pact of 1939 which divided up Poland between Germany and the Soviet Union. Whatever took place in the Soviet sector of Poland after that has nothing to do with Polish anti-Semitism in the 1920s and '30s, obviously. In any case, it is simply obscene to categorize Leninist or Stalinist mass murder as in any sense Jewish or justifying any hatred of Jews. Obscene.Jon Burackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367908755629590397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69277201022441947652012-05-30T15:45:23.731-05:002012-05-30T15:45:23.731-05:00" But first, this was a slip of the tongue mo..." But first, this was a slip of the tongue more than a historical inaccuracy. "<br /><br />So TelePrompTers have tongues ! Who knew ?Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70511068886972010982012-05-30T15:40:13.947-05:002012-05-30T15:40:13.947-05:00You know who else applauded Hitler?
Progressives....<i>You know who else applauded Hitler?<br /><br />Progressives.</i><br /><br />Absolutely. These are the same people who support Obama. <br /><br />As I say, who can't love it when the Republicans talk about the issues? Repubs love it, and Dems love it more. Win-win.sakredkowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652250985982301492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33002575582057252582012-05-30T15:31:40.966-05:002012-05-30T15:31:40.966-05:00You know who else applauded Hitler?
Progressives....You know who else applauded Hitler?<br /><br />Progressives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31649140986950825122012-05-30T15:19:56.506-05:002012-05-30T15:19:56.506-05:00In addition to his stupid statement about "Po...In addition to his stupid statement about "Polish Death Camps", Obama recently <a href="http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-nobody-wants-get-something-nothing" rel="nofollow">said something as least as stupid in Iowa</a>:<br /><br /><i>Speaking Thursday afternoon in Newton, Iowa, President Barack Obama pitched his idea for $5 billion in new tax credits for manufacturers that make equipment—such as windmill blades and solar panels—for “clean energy” companies.<br /> <br />“Nobody wants a handout,” Obama said. “Nobody wants to get something for nothing.”</i><br /><br />The majority of the Democrat constituency wants something for nothing! Could it be that Obama just isn't very smart after all?Larry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07005320430740976182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1632348318318644752012-05-30T15:15:07.757-05:002012-05-30T15:15:07.757-05:00How can people defend Obama on this? It was his pr...How can people defend Obama on this? It was his prepared speech.<br /><br />This would be like speaking to a Chinese and Japanese audience and talking about "the Chinese Death Camps" of WWII. Do you think the Chinese people would have a problem with that statement? Given how many were killed in the death camps that Japan ran on Chinese soil?<br /><br />President Obama didn't fire off a blogger comment, speak off the cuff, or send a quick email. This stupid statement was prepared, edited, and then read off a teleprompter.<br /><br />If you are defending him. I'm sorry that you don't understand the importance of speaking correctly.markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03132895109421423443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76216085809172238682012-05-30T15:13:42.155-05:002012-05-30T15:13:42.155-05:00I still think this rates #2 behind President Obama...<i>I still think this rates #2 behind President Obama's decision to scrap a missile-defense agreement the Bush Administration negotiated with Poland and the Czech Republic on the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Poland.</i><br /><br />Don't be foolish. The large and growing number of Obama administration-selected important dates coinciding with other, more ominous events in history are just a large and growing number of coincidences.<br /><br />If you think otherwise, you're a racist clinger.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85355200267782790772012-05-30T15:07:31.719-05:002012-05-30T15:07:31.719-05:00This may be the first Polish gaffe for President O...This may be the first Polish gaffe for President Obama, I still think this rates #2 behind President Obama's decision to scrap a missile-defense agreement the Bush Administration negotiated with Poland and the Czech Republic on the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Poland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55916054642623151392012-05-30T14:50:29.856-05:002012-05-30T14:50:29.856-05:00The communist horrors you refer to took place in P...The communist horrors you refer to took place in Poland after World War II, not before it. Before it, Poland was not in communist hands.<br />=========<br /><br />Sorry, you are wrong, Before the Nazis arrived, the Reds had conducted massive liquidations against "class enemies" in Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and the half of Poland the Reds got before the Germans rolled East.<br />Add to that in the run-up to WWII, Red Russians and Red Jews were prominent in drafting and implimenting class, Orthodox and Christian priest "death lists" in Hungary, Russia, and in Spain during the Civil War.<br />This had a strong impact on other countries with significant numbers of religious Catholics and Orthodox.<br /><br />Fascism was a counterbalance that drew support from many who had seen the type of people the Red Russians and Red Jews put on their death lists. Many in the Fascist movements in Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and in Latin America were activists that had their minds focused by the fact that People Like Themselves were the ones the Red Terror ultimately sought to liquidate.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.com