tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post7316093027410654929..comments2024-03-28T20:47:24.292-05:00Comments on Althouse: When did the left turn against free speech?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger349125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90129057649041936902011-02-03T21:24:59.958-06:002011-02-03T21:24:59.958-06:00SRSLY? The American left as anti-free-speech brown...SRSLY? The American left as anti-free-speech brownshirts? Do you really want to try to sell that with a straight face?<br /><br />So now the ACLU are conservative icons? They've legally defended people whose sole mission is to destroy the ACLU itself: it just doesn't get more pro-free-speech than that.<br /><br />I guess FOX NEWS must be leftists, too. Their propensity for killing someone's mic on-air (not for swearing, but for saying the wrong things) is the stuff of legend, & so too is their morphing of newly indicted/convicted Republicans into <b>Instant Democrats™</b> (just add "D" & mix!). They even shooped pictures of Dems to make them look demonic &/or idiotic (straight out of the playbook of the old TASS News Agency, though their airbrush technique was shamefully second-rate).<br /><br />Yes, the American left's advocacy for Assange (for example) must indicate their love for repression. Or is it just their deep hatred of America? Funny - you'd think in 2011 real America-haters would just let it continue to polarize & decline, perhaps occasionally popping popcorn or pointing & laughing.<br /><br />Also, free speech cannot include advocating removing a media clown from his lofty position when it's obvious that his allergy to reality is both massively contagious & socially toxic. The undeniable nonexistence of any inherent "right" to having his own program on television or radio from which to spread said allergy to reality is surely central to someone's point.<br /><br />Needless to say, the heretical concept of free speech coming with tangible responsibilities, such as a need to be an actual adult about how one uses it, or having limits imposed by society via informal means upon the abrogation of same, is beyond the pale of "respectable discourse" in modern fora. <br /><br />PS: I'm sure the REAL institutionalized chilling-effect upon free speech from things like the government monitoring everything from library cards to e-mails to phone calls in the wake of the draconian Patriot Act was harshly condemned in 2001 by every single concern-troll who is now in dire need of a hugbox from all those horrible evil lefty censorship-fetishists, right?jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840719620959481121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29214925481786336272011-02-03T17:52:15.119-06:002011-02-03T17:52:15.119-06:00"Can't tell the difference between free s..."Can't tell the difference between free speech and a mandatory audience, eh"<br /><br />Dude what a load of bullshit. Beck doesn't have a mandatory audience. He grew it on his own. That's why the likes of Fraziers brother want to shut him down and get him fired. They don't want anyone else to be able to present an alternative. <br /><br />What a load of bullshit you guys keep passing.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24724613054153108082011-02-03T14:02:38.313-06:002011-02-03T14:02:38.313-06:00It's been your job since you became a citizen....It's been your job since you became a citizen. If you are.<br /><br />Why complain about others not reading the bill when you don't?Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90499164502020778112011-02-03T13:08:07.546-06:002011-02-03T13:08:07.546-06:00Anyone with an 8th grade education.
The question ...<i>Anyone with an 8th grade education.<br /><br />The question is, why didn't you read it?</i><br /><br />Since when is it MY job to read a 2000 page bill? I find it offensive to say the least that it was designed to be so large and obtuse that it requires a team of lawyers to parse. So I rely on my Congresscritter to tell me if it's any good. He said - no it's bad!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26815503389474673932011-02-03T13:05:54.222-06:002011-02-03T13:05:54.222-06:00Alex: Cook - who can read a 2000 page bill drafte...<i>Alex: Cook - who can read a 2000 page bill drafted by lawyers who specialize on obfuscation? </i><br /><br />Anyone with an 8th grade education.<br /><br />The question is, why didn't you read it?Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82727180135592745532011-02-03T13:03:54.908-06:002011-02-03T13:03:54.908-06:00"The Democrats claimed that ObamaCare would l...<i>"The Democrats claimed that ObamaCare would lower overall health care costs. This has not happened and there is no known way in which it COULD happen; it goes against basic economic principles of supply and demand."</i><br /><br />The law hasn't taken effect yet. The known way that health care lowers health care costs is when good health care is provided early, instead of trying to remediate 50 years of bad health care in the emergency room, 100 days before the person will die.<br /><br />Saying that Obamacare can't lower health care costs is like saying that aircraft maintenance can't prevent air accidents nor prolong the life of airplanes.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56930285679636587932011-02-03T13:01:37.398-06:002011-02-03T13:01:37.398-06:00Who says the left is opposed to free speech? You ...Who says the left is opposed to free speech? You have a Constitutional right to be a fool.<br /><br />You don't have a Constitutional right that requires me to suffer your foolishness.<br /><br />Can't tell the difference between free speech and a mandatory audience, eh?Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74791855517862172042011-02-03T10:21:17.604-06:002011-02-03T10:21:17.604-06:00Eponym said...
"You don't need to read an...Eponym said...<br />"You don't need to read anybody's mind to show that the claim "Soros 'collapses regimes'" and "his target now is America" is a lie".<br /><br />Is this really the best you have? Soros has admitted that he helped Solidarity--which did overthrow the Polish Communist regime. His role in the break-up of Czechoslovakia is also well documented. That these were laudable efforts doesn't make it a lie.<br /><br />Whether his target is now America is not known to anyone except Soros.<br /><br />The claim that Beck lies strikes me as further from the truth than any examples you have presented of Beck's truthfulness.dbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457585811847604584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5508080719658435412011-02-03T08:49:34.001-06:002011-02-03T08:49:34.001-06:00I'm a conservative who is for free speech. I w...I'm a conservative who is for free speech. I will defend your right to say it with my life. 26 years of Army service is my proof.<br /><br />garage cracks me up whining about Rush targetting leftwinger website as "hate" sights as he is hoist on the leftwing censorship petard of "hate speech" tactic which is nothing more that speech the left doesn't like.<br /><br />It was fine when Rush is called a hate monger but when leftwingers like Francis Piven are called out on their very consistent and vocal calls for revolutionary violence to change our government, the left tries to call quoting someones words accurately an "incitement to violence".<br /> <br />The left is ever trying to delegitimise the speech of the opposition in order to marginalise them and make their ideas appear toxic thru guilt by association; if you say "X" you are a hater, bigot, homophobe, racist. They call voicing opposition to their anti-American, Anti-Liberty agenda "hate speech".<br /><br />Leftwingers need to take responsibility for their calls to actual revolutionary violence, as opposed to the imaginary ones with which they fraudulently impugn conservatives and conservatism. <br /><br />History shows, with a string of actual violent revolutions carried out, complete with Gulags and mass executions, that leftwingers always resort to violence to achieve their ends when they think they can get away with it.<br /><br />I took an oath to shoot people like Francis Piven and her radical husband should they try to act out their calls to revolutionary violence. But, until they do, they have every right to say what they say.<br /><br />So, garage and Eponym: fuck you, you totalitarian bigots. But keep spewing your pro-censorship tactics as they only expose you and people like you for what you are. You have the complete right to do so.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2733550444099732942011-02-03T02:04:11.950-06:002011-02-03T02:04:11.950-06:00Wright thinks the proles are idiots and need to be...Wright thinks the proles are idiots and need to be lead and can only be presented safe ideas. Much like the medieval church. We're all sheeple in Wright's world and I don't see why you bother with him.Mark Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647569239141703744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35655287112640225622011-02-02T23:18:40.005-06:002011-02-02T23:18:40.005-06:00Byron Williams' own, unambiguous words on the ...Byron Williams' own, unambiguous words on the matter of whether or not he was "inspired" or "incited" to violence by Beck have been referenced right here, on this very thread, no fewer than <i>four</i> separate times now, since initially cited by YoungHegelian:<br /><br />http://www.examiner.com/sf-in-san-francisco/freeway-gunman-byron-williams-says-glenn-beck-did-not-incite-him-to-violence<br /><br />As of this writing, not one leftist has made even a rudimentary, half-hearted <i>attempt</i> at dealing with this absolute demolition of their own mulish core assertion, re: this whole silly Beck-Is-the-Dark-Spawn-of-C'Thulhu rigamarole.<br /><br />Said silence, on their part, is as damning as it is side-splittingly, falling-down hysterical.kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274416342492953621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65146174680560007662011-02-02T22:17:29.447-06:002011-02-02T22:17:29.447-06:00Metasailor said:
"So, whether or not you agr...Metasailor said:<br /><br />"So, whether or not you agree with what the "Leftist" says, it is not logical OR fair to suggest said "Leftist" is trying to shut down free speech when said "Leftist" criticizes someone. Or even when said "Leftist" says the someone should face free-market-based repercussions for their statements."<br /><br />Beck is facing the free-market-based repercussions for his statements: advertisers pay big bucks to advertise on his show. That's the repercussion in the free market: people like what he says, they listen to him, and the advertiser gets exposure to his products. Advocating for any other basis to shut him down is not free-market based.Terihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963866738372943658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34446353453192698432011-02-02T21:42:32.828-06:002011-02-02T21:42:32.828-06:00Err, OWN words. Dang typos.Err, OWN words. Dang typos.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24935260188008592042011-02-02T21:41:34.077-06:002011-02-02T21:41:34.077-06:00Most people don't know anything about Tides an...Most people don't know anything about Tides and what it does - and how it works - nor how much money it gets and where it comes from - Beck and his guys do their research.<br /><br />You may not like his schtick, but stop and pay attention to the research that goes in to his show - it's no small feat. It is an enormously complex subject - and his schtick is the only possible way to get people to listen and sort of grok the connections and the institutional memory aspect of it all.<br /><br />The beauty of Beck is - he get them with THEIR OEN WORDS time and time again - and they hate it. Like him or not, don't discount the facts he brings to light.<br /><br />And if you wanna know more about Tides - visit <a href="http://activistcash.com/" rel="nofollow">http://activistcash.com/</a> and Discover The Networks.<br /><br />Here's a shortcut: <a href="http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/225-tides-foundation--tides-center" rel="nofollow">Tides Foundation & Tides Center</a> <i>...Tides does two things better than any other foundation or charity in the U.S. today: it routinely obscures the sources of its tax-exempt millions, and makes it difficult (if not impossible) to discern how the funds are actually being used....</i><br /><br />It's worth learning how they manipulate you - and take advantage of your goodness and high ideals.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70130126326284944422011-02-02T21:31:21.914-06:002011-02-02T21:31:21.914-06:00@Lyle:
Haha.
That is all.@Lyle:<br /><br />Haha.<br /><br />That is all.bjkeefehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10967912817595826059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13130295103712346802011-02-02T21:21:43.750-06:002011-02-02T21:21:43.750-06:00Soros funds the Tides Foundation. The Tides Founda...Soros funds the Tides Foundation. The Tides Foundation pushes a left-wing environmental agenda in schools and churches in this country. Those are facts. <br /><br />Beck believes that Tides educational offerings amount to left-wing indoctrination and are a bad thing for this country. That's his opinion.<br /><br />You may disagree and think that Soros and Tides do wonderful things, but Beck has every right to speak out against them. <br /><br />If you don't like it, move someplace where they don't have free speech.Automatic_Wing https://www.blogger.com/profile/10174899673368042634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26015214416570315432011-02-02T20:57:40.943-06:002011-02-02T20:57:40.943-06:00Synova:
But that's why it's really *willf...Synova:<br /><br /><i>But that's why it's really *willful* stupidity to rant on about how Beck is lying about Soros and then claiming confidence about Soros's private thoughts.</i><br /><br />Yup. But how, exactly is that an accurate characterization of any actual person's position?<br /><br />You don't need to read anybody's mind to show that the claim "Soros 'collapses regimes'" and "his target now is America" is a lie. There's no evidence of the first part, unless you're willing to conflate opposition to Milosovic, e.g. with "collapsing regimes;" and the second part <i>is</i> a mind-reading claim, on Beck's part.<br /><br />Demonizing Soros, then exaggerating the relationship bewtween Tides and Soros is clearly a lie. <br /><br />The attempt to manufacture a relationship between Tides and Khallid Abdul Muhammad is baseless fantasy. (Though I see my blockquoting didn't work, so the grafs relevant to that point might not seem clearly tied together.)Eponymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05015797300434327506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21506126158860771392011-02-02T20:46:31.702-06:002011-02-02T20:46:31.702-06:00Cook,
The Mass Health care plan was drafted by th...Cook,<br /><br />The Mass Health care plan was drafted by the Dem majority in the state legislatures and handed to Romney as a fait accompli and he was told either he signed it or the legislatures would override his veto. He signed it as the lesser of two evils. He did not write it. Then he tried to work with it to make it successful. Now that he is no longer in office there it has gone hog wild in the cost and the current admin and legislature is stuck trying to find a way to save it and also pay for it. In no way should the national HCR take anything from the Mass plan.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54202201403598560482011-02-02T20:44:40.386-06:002011-02-02T20:44:40.386-06:00Much of the right has simply had enough of this an...<i>Much of the right has simply had enough of this and will stand no more, but watch and pay attention to the left and the efforts to coerce proper thought within that "tribe". It's appalling.</i><br /><br />Synova, right on. So many good comments and points. A flicker of light within the void!Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48504003216173410122011-02-02T20:38:16.364-06:002011-02-02T20:38:16.364-06:00THANK YOU for the post, and for raising the questi...THANK YOU for the post, and for raising the question.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84480095004565055302011-02-02T20:33:15.406-06:002011-02-02T20:33:15.406-06:00Because "over throw" is sort of hyperbol...Because "over throw" is sort of hyperbolic.<br /><br />Influence? Form into what he wants it to be? Sure. Else why else is he spending his money?<br /><br />But that's why it's really *willful* stupidity to rant on about how Beck is lying about Soros and then claiming confidence about Soros's private thoughts.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58470648391277872172011-02-02T20:30:42.732-06:002011-02-02T20:30:42.732-06:00Andrew,
The left were trying to get the Fox repor...Andrew,<br /><br />The left were trying to get the Fox reporter who would have taken Helen Thomas's seat at the presidential press conferences kicked out. The administration has tried to exclude Fox News from their press plane that travels with the president. Obama himself has spoken out against Fox News. The staff of the Obama campaign refused to debate on Fox and tried to exclude them. Can't get much more prominent leftist than the admin spokesmen and the president.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58979533217461092452011-02-02T20:08:23.909-06:002011-02-02T20:08:23.909-06:00"To say that he *is* trying to over throw our..."To say that he *is* trying to over throw our government is absurd."<br /><br />Heh.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63571435593698705152011-02-02T19:52:27.588-06:002011-02-02T19:52:27.588-06:00When were the lefties all in favor of free speech....When were the lefties all in favor of free speech. They have never been. They have been in favor of free speech they can fight against but when they are losing the battle of ideas, they suddenly are against free speech, at least that particular free speech. Remember that it was the left with the PC speech codes that really started this whole thing and in many cases they still are against free speech. Remember that the university of your home state of Delaware was in favor of speech codes last year.<br /><br />The problem is that you are in favor free speech and you were a leftie then, not so much now, so you and your buds were indeed in favor of free speech but your crew were outliers. Look at the way Bob Wright came charging in when you came out in favor of free speech in this BH episode.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75768375141436438822011-02-02T19:49:31.779-06:002011-02-02T19:49:31.779-06:00To say that he *is* trying to over throw our gover...To say that he *is* trying to over throw our government is absurd.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.com