tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6639028230628415678..comments2024-03-19T01:52:00.810-05:00Comments on Althouse: "President Obama, who took office pledging to put science ahead of politics, averted a skirmish with conservatives in the nation’s culture wars..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48616022908581307002011-12-09T19:20:08.813-06:002011-12-09T19:20:08.813-06:00"And there's no conceivable (no pun inten..."<i>And there's no conceivable (no pun intended) way that the crime could come to light that doesn't involve forcing a child to go through an incredibly dangerous pregnancy.</i>"<br /><br />That's a ridiculous statement.<br /><br />It doesn't even qualify as a *sneaky* false dichotomy.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77279575768141738732011-12-09T15:43:18.014-06:002011-12-09T15:43:18.014-06:00But I don't think the opponents of their decis...<i>But I don't think the opponents of their decision are talking about 11 year olds. They are talking about 15, 16 and 17 year olds. A number of whom - let's admit it - are sexually active.</i><br /><br />They have to realize they are talking about both groups, even if they think they are only talking about older teens.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19462945815825884362011-12-09T15:42:35.821-06:002011-12-09T15:42:35.821-06:00pduggie: "I was a bit skittish about Bush...pduggie: <i>"I was a bit skittish about Bush's war on terror policies. But when Obama, a professed critic of the policies, did the same thing, I said to myself 'Well, maybe I need to reconsider my reasons for skittishness.'"</i><br /><br />I'm trying to figure out if this comment is clever satire that I'm just not getting because it's a Friday afternoon and I'm cranky. But I don't think it is. So...<br /><br />You might try looking at both sides of an issue and then forming an opinion, rather than basing your position on whether you like or dislike the people espousing it. It would require actual thought, but then you'd have the pride of accomplishment at having thought for yourself instead of letting other people think for you.<br /><br />Just a suggestion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22587327125620455462011-12-09T14:18:47.886-06:002011-12-09T14:18:47.886-06:00I support Obama and Sebelius on this.
But I don&...I support Obama and Sebelius on this. <br /><br />But I don't think the opponents of their decision are talking about 11 year olds. They are talking about 15, 16 and 17 year olds. A number of whom - let's admit it - are sexually active.<br /><br />And the Penn St scandal is about an adult essentially raping young boys not about teenagers having sex with each other. Big difference.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30673271923959863462011-12-09T13:44:50.558-06:002011-12-09T13:44:50.558-06:00Tlaloc said...
"One reason very young girls ...Tlaloc said... <br />"One reason very young girls shouldn't be able to purchase this drug on their own is that it prevents criminal behavior from coming to light."<br /><br />Right, because when someone has been a victim it's more important to bring the crime to light than to help the victim. Even if it's, you know, a child. And there's no conceivable (no pun intended) way that the crime could come to light that doesn't involve forcing a child to go through an incredibly dangerous pregnancy. According to the WHO girls "under 15" are 5x as likely to suffer maternal mortality than women over 20 and I honestly don't know if they even had data as far down the scale as 10 or 11.<br /><br />But hey what's a little "intentionally-letting-children-die" so long as your pro-life credentials are pristine? <br /><br />12/9/11 10:44 AM <br /><br />Now that is heavy industrial strength stupid. Where do you get your stupid pill prescription filled?cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25510436402734234452011-12-09T13:39:53.217-06:002011-12-09T13:39:53.217-06:00You guys, including you, Professor, underestimate ...You guys, including you, Professor, underestimate our President.<br /><br />The reduction from 18 to 17 for OTC purchase of Plan B in 2009 was based on a decision by a federal judge. That ruling, which came about because of a request by the drug maker for the reduction to 17, overruled the FDA because its decision was political, not scientific. So said the judge.<br /><br />So we will soon see a judicial ruling that the rejection of the 17year old age limit decision was political not scientific and Obama will be "forced " to allow 11 year old OTC purchase. The pro-abortion base will be satisfied and he will have made a moral stand to appease the anti-abortionists. <br /><br />The Times set it up in the first sentence of its article.<br /><br />See how smart he is. <br /> <br />As I've said before in another context, to understand Obama you just have to understand that he doesn't care a whit about pregnant 11 year olds or abortion or socialism or free markets. He cares about Obama.Rabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612585516401001803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15995389932639111852011-12-09T12:54:16.205-06:002011-12-09T12:54:16.205-06:00Wouldn't the garden hose and a thumb be just a...Wouldn't the garden hose and a thumb be just as effective, if a little chilly?Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74958507323987675552011-12-09T12:16:22.451-06:002011-12-09T12:16:22.451-06:00"Right, because when someone has been a victi..."Right, because when someone has been a victim it's more important to bring the crime to light than to help the victim."<br /><br />Wow, Tlaloc, words just fail me. A child gets sexually abused, and you're more interested in terminating her pregnancy quickly than you are in <b>stopping the sexual abuse?</b><br /><br />Really?<br /><br />What is it that goes on in that mind of yours? Do you have any concept of cause and effect <b>at all</b>?<br /><br />Just curious. Appalled, but curious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90212327743422805622011-12-09T12:10:33.876-06:002011-12-09T12:10:33.876-06:00The tv ad for Plan B cracks me up every time. A w...The tv ad for Plan B cracks me up every time. A woman gets out of bed one morning, her male husband/boyfriend sleeping peacefully next to her. She leaves the house to get some plan B, then comes home to him cluelesly and happily making her coffee in their kitchen. She smiles pleasantly at him.<br /> He had a restful night's sleep, even if she had to fret and spend her morning running around town.<br /><br />Too bad the OTC for all ages thing didn't work out. I'd love to see the ad with the middle school girl running in to grab some at the 7-11 on the way home from "spending the night at Susie's".MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19575544176550447362011-12-09T12:07:51.805-06:002011-12-09T12:07:51.805-06:00I wasn't fat at 10, and yet I started my perio...I wasn't fat at 10, and yet I started my period in early fifth grade 40 years ago. There have always been girls who started younger; most of the women in my mother's family did, going back generations (maybe due to evolution? that side of the family is of solid peasant, farming stock going back to the Old Country). There's always been a range in the standard starting point, though I gather it's true that there's a trend to younger these days.rcommalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301180339680504471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50324345136574486472011-12-09T12:03:33.566-06:002011-12-09T12:03:33.566-06:00Let me add to my last post, that another factor se...Let me add to my last post, that another factor seems to be socio-economic status, with some positive correlation between age of menarche and family income. This may be a result of the previous factors: eating habits, exercise, and drinking milk containing bovine hormones.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27324810083289778562011-12-09T11:59:20.096-06:002011-12-09T11:59:20.096-06:00I'm kind of confused why everyone is talking a...<i>I'm kind of confused why everyone is talking about 10-12 year old girls. Many of them can't get pregnant for obvious reasons</i>. <br /><br />The problem is that many of them can get pregnant. I have seen stuff indicating that menarche has dropped a couple of years over the last couple of decades, and know several (now) young women who went through this at about eight years old.<br /><br />At least two things may be in play. First, body fat tends to accelerate this, and bad eating habits/food combined with less exercise may be working adversely here. <br /><br />Another factor may be that most of the milk drunk in this country contains bovine hormones to increase yield. That is, <i>female</i> bovine hormones. And, some of those end up in the milk, and, while not identical to <i>female</i> human hormones, may be similar enough to accelerate menarche.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42959269161130132662011-12-09T11:58:45.502-06:002011-12-09T11:58:45.502-06:00Meaning they do the only thing they can - whore th...<i>Meaning they do the only thing they can - whore themselves.<br /><br /></i>Wow, Alex, I hope you don't have kids. You have no idea.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46424340561861334782011-12-09T11:53:54.269-06:002011-12-09T11:53:54.269-06:00Bender, so they can still get $ for a pelvic exam....Bender, so they can still get $ for a pelvic exam. What about Plan B? Are they counting on it being too expensive for widespread use?<br /><br />At what age do boys become fertile enough to impregnate others? I'm sure it varies, but L&O SVU claimed it was not at the onset of puberty, more like 14. So the 11-12 y.o. may not actually need the drug if she's doing it with peers, and if she does need it, it's likely someone committed a crime.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24152737470484540842011-12-09T11:53:51.786-06:002011-12-09T11:53:51.786-06:00Plan B is the only form of birth control pill avai...Plan B is the only form of birth control pill available over the counter, even if you're over the age of 17. I understand and support the exception for adult, consenting women, particularly because of the way it works (which means I consider it vastly preferable to abortion). I do not support its availability OTC for minors who may not understand or even consider the health risks, and also for the array of other reasons already stated here by various commenters.<br /><br />By the way, does anyone else think it's weird that we could consider it OK for minors, including those who aren't even teens yet, to buy and self-administer Plan B, but that a grown woman, say 30 years old, who has been using birth control pills knowledgeably for years can't be trusted to buy regular, old-fashioned birth control over the counter (or over the Internet, even!)? We seem to believe that these grown women need medical permission, approval and control--<i>because, essentially, that's what ALL prescription drugs require</i>--to use what is now a very standard and ubiquitous drug. Yet somehow it can be see as OK for even a young minor to take Plan B on her own. Can she buy one every month, every week? Would she? What if she's very sexually active? Any problem with repeated use of the Plan B throughout adolescence? Does anyone know?rcommalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301180339680504471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38541485557442494552011-12-09T11:44:07.972-06:002011-12-09T11:44:07.972-06:00When teens and tweens want something badly enough,...<i>When teens and tweens want something badly enough, they are very resourceful at finding money.</i><br /><br />Meaning they do the only thing they can - whore themselves.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39389406271919157742011-12-09T11:35:14.748-06:002011-12-09T11:35:14.748-06:00Does putting science ahead of politics require ove...Does putting science ahead of politics require over-the-counter sales of an after-sex contraceptive pill to girls under age 17?<br /><br />I would not have thought so necessarily.chuck b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00882763861745236443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12716850854911212442011-12-09T11:25:22.178-06:002011-12-09T11:25:22.178-06:00If he really supports science or ideology/religion...If he really supports science or ideology/religion, he would open up Yuca mt for nuclear waste.Chuck66https://www.blogger.com/profile/15834146425393263098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6921334031486401032011-12-09T11:24:50.036-06:002011-12-09T11:24:50.036-06:00... by endorsing his health secretary’s decision t...<i>... by endorsing his health secretary’s decision to block over-the-counter sales of an after-sex contraceptive pill to girls under age 17.</i><br /><br />Triangulation<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/eo68agracklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138997480493469444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51721464998137606612011-12-09T11:22:39.472-06:002011-12-09T11:22:39.472-06:00I would think the mechanical abortion industry wou...<i>I would think the mechanical abortion industry wouldn't want all these chemical abortificants easily available.</i><br />_______________<br /><br />One of the major dangers of RU-486, the abortion pill, is that, while causing embryo/fetal death, it does not necessarily expel the entirety of the uterine contents. That is, bits of tissue can remain behind. This leads to toxic shock, potentially fatal to the mother.<br /><br />The only way to ensure a complete abortion when using RU-486 is by visual examination (at a surgical abortion clinic).Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2220094711352876422011-12-09T11:20:51.601-06:002011-12-09T11:20:51.601-06:00I can also promise that we will never undertake th...<i>I can also promise that we will never undertake this research lightly. We will support it only when it is both scientifically worthy and responsibly conducted. We will develop strict guidelines, which we will rigorously enforce, because we cannot ever tolerate misuse or abuse. <b>And we will ensure that our government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction. It is dangerous, profoundly wrong, and has no place in our society, or any society.</b></i><br /><br />---President Barack <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-of-the-President-As-Prepared-for-Delivery-Signing-of-Stem-Cell-Executive-Order-and-Scientific-Integrity-Presidential-Memorandum" rel="nofollow">Obama</a> March 2009<br /><br />That's not science.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-822709367194399742011-12-09T11:18:00.241-06:002011-12-09T11:18:00.241-06:00I would think the mechanical abortion industry wou...I would think the mechanical abortion industry wouldn't want all these chemical abortificants easily available.<br /><br />This sounds like a fake trial balloon to make Obama look like a responsible person.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61153866515200436142011-12-09T11:14:21.728-06:002011-12-09T11:14:21.728-06:00Could anyone imagine girls buying this medication ...Could anyone imagine girls buying this medication in the hopes that it will help them mature faster? <br />The question really isn't whether it would do that, but whether they think it would do that. And if young girls start taking it for that reason (or worse, their mothers give it to them), what are the consequences?Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65033092834398523452011-12-09T11:10:08.368-06:002011-12-09T11:10:08.368-06:00Does the NYT really think science can take the pla...<i>Does the NYT really think science can take the place of moral values and human judgment?</i><br /><br />Very good point.<br /><br />Obama made a joke out of the whole science ahead of politics thing early in his administration, when he declared embryonic stem cell research ok but not for cloning. Everybody knows cloning is unacceptable, he said.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63455102366827584342011-12-09T10:55:29.954-06:002011-12-09T10:55:29.954-06:00Dosage stuff is interesting.
However, Doctors don...Dosage stuff is interesting.<br /><br />However, Doctors don't adjust the dose of birth control based on weight. <br /><br />Lots of 14, 15 and 16 year olds are on the pill for painful periods and acne. Those girls take the same pill as 30 year olds. <br /><br />It's probably more dangerous for a kid to regularly take too many Ibuprofen. Not good for the liver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com