tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6562573475849310897..comments2024-03-19T00:05:22.263-05:00Comments on Althouse: "The Republicans are smart enough to get the ‘pope of America,’ and the Democrats are stupid enough not to invite him."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger249125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44591412402032788712012-08-26T09:53:22.018-05:002012-08-26T09:53:22.018-05:00St. Junia the Apostle, pray for us.St. Junia the Apostle, pray for us.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59876756971321039972012-08-25T08:27:11.242-05:002012-08-25T08:27:11.242-05:00Jimbino:
I don't know how you can possibly kn...Jimbino:<br /><br />I don't know how you can possibly know that Luke was not a disciple of Jesus. Any more than you can possibly know what sort of belief--or non-belief--happens in the minds of newborns.<br /><br />Either of those assertions demands rather substantial support. May we have it, please?Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62136764565760037442012-08-25T02:19:19.067-05:002012-08-25T02:19:19.067-05:00Galatians 3:28
King James Version
There is neit...Galatians 3:28<br /><br />King James Version<br /><br /> There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.Jim in St Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028577920540521692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65978776421833457442012-08-24T23:22:09.926-05:002012-08-24T23:22:09.926-05:00shiloh said...
"Hey, I have a soft spot :D fo... shiloh said...<br />"Hey, I have a soft spot :D for Bill Donohue, as he was the only fool who "tried" to defend Cardinal Law of Boston just before he was whisked off to a Vatican desk job!"<br /><br />Pedophiles: Penn State fires them. The Catholic Church promotes 'em. <br /><br />"Cardinal" Dolan protected more pedophiles than Joe Paterno ever knew existed.bbkingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837055667750129209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53761833127361371102012-08-24T22:38:54.823-05:002012-08-24T22:38:54.823-05:00I don't disagree withe the majority of what yo...I don't disagree withe the majority of what you are saying, PaddyO, except that the modern Catholic church did undergo its own reformation after the Protestant Reformation. The Pentescostals leave a lot of messes, theological and otherwise, to clean up. But where there are no oxen the stall is clean, and God's servants answer to Him and not to me. Æthelflædhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332838962205821653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50067658846622467792012-08-24T22:27:57.432-05:002012-08-24T22:27:57.432-05:00Paddy O:
It doesn't work that way in science....Paddy O:<br /><br />It doesn't work that way in science. <br /><br />If I assert that there is no planet but Earth with intelligent life, I am not logically required to check out the entire universe for planets and then search those for intelligent life.<br /><br />But if you assert that there is another planet with intelligent life, you are logically required to provide some evidence.jimbinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684677214800358793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35136483577060344342012-08-24T22:23:06.376-05:002012-08-24T22:23:06.376-05:00When I saw this post about Archbishop Dolan I wond...When I saw this post about Archbishop Dolan I wondered long it would take for someone to bring up priests and pedophilia. Shiloh got to it by the ninth comment. Some things are so predictable.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10438099877519107411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75719780761199062582012-08-24T21:31:45.835-05:002012-08-24T21:31:45.835-05:00"Nobody is born a religious Jew, Muslim or Ch..."Nobody is born a religious Jew, Muslim or Christian."<br /><br />That's not true. There, my assertion cancels your assertion. <br /><br />Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6615178496701501992012-08-24T21:30:18.496-05:002012-08-24T21:30:18.496-05:00"Pentescostalism is growing, but is is also t..."Pentescostalism is growing, but is is also the biggest purveyor of bad theology, fake miracles, and the fleecing of widows out of their money."<br /><br />Have you seen Catholic cathedrals and studied the history of the Church? What you accuse Pentecostals of doing, the Catholic Church has been doing much more thoroughly all over the world since before the East and West split. <br /><br />Again, Martin Luther's argument. It wasn't that he wanted to split, it's that he was heartily protesting the bad theology, fake miracles, and fleecing of widows and orphans so as to pad the accounts of clergy--many of whom didn't believe in God. <br /><br />Pentecostals also are significant in leading people to Christ, in doing good works all over the world, in participating in real miracles, etc. and so on (as are Catholics).Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16851258243740282412012-08-24T21:26:34.802-05:002012-08-24T21:26:34.802-05:00"That's the central argument the pope mak..."That's the central argument the pope makes: we don't have the authority to go beyond what our Lord and the Apostles have handed down to us."<br /><br />That was Martin Luther's argument too! Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49345767765380836612012-08-24T20:16:02.888-05:002012-08-24T20:16:02.888-05:00The best argument against priestesses is...prieste...The best argument against priestesses is...priestesses. The ones I have encountered (ECUSA) were ...well, I won't continue that sentence because it would be uncharitable.<br /><br />America doesn't have a pope. The universal church does.<br /><br />I love my German Shepherd.<br /><br />Yes, there are married priests--the 23 Eastern Catholic rites have married priests, and some Anglicans/Episcopalians who converted have been ordained as Catholic priests, even though they were married. Two of my faves: Fr. Ray Ryland and Fr. Dwight Longenecker.<br /><br />I am happily Catholic and sing righteous alto harmony in music ministry.<br /><br />And yes, the people in the pews are pissed. Not drunk--angry. No matter what their politics are.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75690910629127964842012-08-24T20:08:15.182-05:002012-08-24T20:08:15.182-05:00Dr Weevil,
When I said God in Genesis is plural, ...Dr Weevil,<br /><br />When I said God in Genesis is plural, I was not referring to grammar, but to number.<br /><br />"The divine assembly is often mentioned in connection with God’s creation of humanity, as in the P source in Genesis and in Job (Gen. 1.26-27, 3.22; Job 15.7-8). Moreover, it is frequently found in connection with the prophetic calling, as, for example, in 1 Kings 22.19-22, Is. 6, and Jer. 23.18 (cf. Amos 3.7). Other more general references to the divine council abound throughout the Hebrew Bible (e.g., Zech. 1.10-11; Dan. 4.14, 7; 8.10-13, etc.)."<br /><br />Get yourself an education over at:<br /><br />http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/the-divine-council/jimbinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684677214800358793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41901306645005081402012-08-24T20:02:37.790-05:002012-08-24T20:02:37.790-05:00Bender,
The Jews sexually mutilate Atheist babies...Bender,<br /><br />The Jews sexually mutilate Atheist babies. Nobody is born a religious Jew, Muslim or Christian.jimbinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684677214800358793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2157807327636919632012-08-24T20:00:47.411-05:002012-08-24T20:00:47.411-05:00Cedarford,
Luke was no disciple of Jesus and you ...Cedarford,<br /><br />Luke was no disciple of Jesus and you spell "physicist" funny.jimbinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684677214800358793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31193352448440017652012-08-24T19:58:46.768-05:002012-08-24T19:58:46.768-05:00Wildswan, you are stastically challenged. Do you s...Wildswan, you are stastically challenged. Do you see a difference between:<br /><br />1. 5% of the circumcised are Jews, and<br /><br />2. 5% of the Jews are circumcised.<br /><br />The "minorities" at Yosemite are virtually all Asians and most are not Amerikans, and most are upper-class or rich. The absent minorities are the same ones who can't make it in our tax-supported public universities and who are not seen in the public lands they own in part: Hispanics, Blacks and Native-Amerikans.jimbinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684677214800358793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90107593399059747942012-08-24T18:07:21.455-05:002012-08-24T18:07:21.455-05:00Jimbino said:
When I contend that there are almost...Jimbino said:<br />When I contend that there are almost no Amerikan minorities who frequent the national parks and forests and that you won't find a Latin reading a book, I give you for free the summary of my extended scientific observations.<br /><br />As a scientist, I welcome evidence to the contrary,<br /><br />But Jimbino, on August 14 the day you said that first, I cited two studies by the National Parks Service showing that minorities made up thirty per cent of the visitors at Yosemite ...<br /><br />Yosemite National Park conducted a winter survey from February 2-10, 2008. There was a 60% response rate. The entire survey and results can be viewed at the Yosemite National Park Visitor Study: Winter 2008 [638 kb PDF].<br />http://www.nps.gov/yose/parkmgmt/statistics.htm<br /><br />and another survey said that 30% of minorities had visited some national park in the last year.<br />Thirty-two percent of respondents reported visiting a National Park System unit within the <br />previous two years. Thirty-six percent of white non- Hispanics, 33 percent of American <br />Indians, 29 percent of Asians, and 27 percent of Hispanic Americans reported visiting an NPS <br />unit within the previous two years. The visitation rate for African Americans was 13 percent."<br /><br />http://nature.nps.gov/socialscience/docs/archive/EthnicAndRacialDiversity.pdf<br /><br />These reports suggest that your personal observations are a statistical fluke. So why do you just go on repeating your statements? why don't you explain the discrepancy with these Park Service surveys?wildswanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11975129877750876072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76706885768033044062012-08-24T17:49:00.384-05:002012-08-24T17:49:00.384-05:00Chickelit,
National Park stuff? Who needed to wa...Chickelit,<br /><br />National Park stuff? Who needed to wait till then? Wasn't the rants about "breeders" in "Amerikkka" enough to clue y'all in?<br />Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1815701461569631132012-08-24T17:17:06.944-05:002012-08-24T17:17:06.944-05:00as bad as the German judge's attack on circumc...<i>as bad as the German judge's attack on circumcision, I don't think you can say it's worse than Hitler</i><br /><br />Hitler merely tried to kill their bodies (as well as try to dehumanize them). For a faithful Jew, to prohibit circumcision is to try to kill the souls of the Jews, to kill their relationship with God.<br /><br />"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." (Mt. 10:28)Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79821867746568953282012-08-24T17:09:27.172-05:002012-08-24T17:09:27.172-05:00when the Church articulates her practice, most rec...<i>when the Church articulates her practice, most recently--and, importantly, infallibly--via Pope John Paul II's declaration, she doesn't premise the teaching on these rationales. We can't know what the Lord's mindset was</i><br /><br />Quite right. Blessed Pope John Paul II largely grounded his authoritative declaration, <a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html" rel="nofollow">Ordinatio Sacerdotalis</a>, on what Jesus Himself had done and the Church not having authority to do something other than that --<br /><i>The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination" . . . Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.<br />Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.</i><br />___________<br /><br />As such, the "official" reasons for the definitive judgment of the Magisterium are fairly limited, even if elsewhere John Paul did provide a theology of the body discussion on the matter, e.g. --<br /><i>26. Against the broad background of the "great mystery" expressed in the spousal relationship between Christ and the Church, it is possible to understand adequately the calling of the "Twelve". In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behaviour, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time. . . . We find ourselves at the very heart of the Paschal Mystery, which completely reveals the spousal love of God. Christ is the Bridegroom because "he has given himself": his body has been "given", his blood has been "poured out" (cf. Lk 22:19-20). In this way "he loved them to the end" (Jn 13:1). The "sincere gift" contained in the Sacrifice of the Cross gives definitive prominence to the spousal meaning of God's love. . . . Since Christ, in instituting the Eucharist, linked it in such an explicit way to the priestly service of the Apostles, it is legitimate to conclude that he thereby wished to express the relationship between man and woman, between what is "feminine" and what is "masculine". It is a relationship willed by God both in the mystery of creation and in the mystery of Redemption. It is the Eucharist above all that expresses the redemptive act of Christ the Bridegroom towards the Church the Bride. This is clear and unambiguous when the sacramental ministry of the Eucharist, in which the priest acts "in persona Christi", is performed by a man. This explanation confirms the teaching of the Declaration Inter Insigniores, published at the behest of Paul VI in response to the question concerning the admission of women to the ministerial priesthood.</i> (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html" rel="nofollow">On the Dignity and Vocation of Women</a> 26)Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9666177177773180952012-08-24T17:05:39.253-05:002012-08-24T17:05:39.253-05:00If the Hebrew word of "God" in Genesis i...If the Hebrew word of "God" in Genesis is plural, shouldn't someone have said "you'd find out right away that God <b>are</b> plural"? And what difference does it make if a word for a single thing is grammatically plural, like 'pants' and 'scissors' in English, and the Latin words for army camp (<i>castra</i>) and ambush (<i>insidiae</i>), and the Greek names of Athens and Delphi and Thebes?<br />Dr Weevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059306888033890029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52516428057382395132012-08-24T16:48:52.058-05:002012-08-24T16:48:52.058-05:00Bender:
Well, yes, but...Hitler simply tried to k...Bender:<br /><br />Well, yes, but...Hitler simply tried to kill everyone who was circumcised under that covenant.<br /><br />I.e., as bad as the German judge's attack on circumcision, I don't think you can say it's worse than Hitler.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22924951909852386722012-08-24T16:44:34.897-05:002012-08-24T16:44:34.897-05:00I think we are reaching a point where the percepti...I think we are reaching a point where the perception is that the Church had a problem with gay chickenhawk priests preying on young teens. Not "pedophiles". And a public that still generally supports the Boy Scouts wisdom in keeping gays out - because if they had admitted gays - they would have had the same PEDERAST problem the Church did.<br /><br />And politically, that the demonization and bashing of the Catholic Church has gone on long enough over what the gay priests did, which started in 2001, has gone on long enough. That it is only lasting because gay activists and their media allies want to spin it and milk it.<br /><br />Poltically, you would have to be an exceptionally stupid Catholic to not realize and see almost all the people actively smearing the Church are Democrats and the priests fellow gays.<br /><br />Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49638922143460658082012-08-24T16:35:03.379-05:002012-08-24T16:35:03.379-05:00what do we do after the Romans destroyed our templ...<i>what do we do after the Romans destroyed our temple?</i><br /><br />And now there are places in Germany -- Germany! -- that want to ban the sign of the covenant, something which I do not believe even Herr Hitler tried to do.Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27985499140562166972012-08-24T16:34:24.709-05:002012-08-24T16:34:24.709-05:00jimbino said...
Bender,
If you could read Genesis...<i>jimbino said...<br />Bender,<br /><br />If you could read Genesis in Hebrew, you'd find out right away that God is plural.</i><br /><br />Horseshit, jimbino the prog Jew pretending to be a Paraguayan..... Judaism is monotheistic, not polytheistic. <br /><br /><i>jimbino said...<br />OK, Shana, try this one:<br /><br />Jesus had no disciple who was a woman, a physicist or a goy. Should physicists and goyim, along with women, be barred from the modern priesthood?</i><br /><br />Horseshit again. Luke was a disciple and a physician. <br /><br /><br /><br />Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90722975681019920382012-08-24T16:33:01.810-05:002012-08-24T16:33:01.810-05:00Third catch-up post...
There has been some discus...Third catch-up post...<br /><br />There has been some discussion of the theory that the priesthood is reserved to males because Jesus is male, because the priest is "father" and this images God the Father, and/or because of there is something about the priest as bridegroom to the Church, the bride.<br /><br />There's some merit here, but it has to be refined; but even then, these are <i>explanations</i>, not <i>rationales</i>. In other words, these are attempts to explain why the Lord and the Apostles did what they did. But since they didn't tell us, we can only offer surmises, some better than others.<br /><br />But when the Church articulates her practice, most recently--and, importantly, infallibly--via Pope John Paul II's declaration, she doesn't premise the teaching on these rationales. We can't know what the Lord's mindset was. <br /><br />But we can say, with reasonable certainty, what he <i>did</i>. That's the central argument the pope makes: we don't have the authority to go beyond what our Lord and the Apostles have handed down to us.<br /><br /><i>Roma locuta est; causa finita est!</i>Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.com