tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6517544736846428056..comments2024-03-18T22:38:30.952-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Our reflexive response to 'Everybody Draw Mohammad Day'... was sympathetic. But Althouse prompted us to reconsider."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger339125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55215548260789079942010-05-25T22:04:03.331-05:002010-05-25T22:04:03.331-05:00RE: 'Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day': A ...RE: 'Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day': A Meta-spectacle of Human misery<br /><br />This has become a spectacle now. Well, it was already a spectacle with EBDMD, but now it's been escalated to a Meta-spectacle!<br /><br />I thought we got past that after the twentieth-century—one of the most violent centuries, at least in recent history. It's ALL wrong; so, you know that most of the world knows this, right? <br /><br />While I do see the backlash connection with 'Everybody Draw Mohammed Day,' etc. One offense against humanity (seems to) deserves another. <br /><br />An eye-for-an-eye: I get it. This is where the reactionaries step in and (rightly or wrongly) fight back. It's a fringe thing on the internet, which will bring-on more rioting and violence.<br /><br />Maybe, after all is said and done, it will all awaken humanity at last; and, we'll all have learned a valuable lesson and furthered ‘truth’ in the face of fundamentalist extremists. I doubt it. <br /><br />On the one hand, hand, I saw nothing about EBDMD that furthered truth or humanity --just extremism. Most of us, around the world, were horrified and humiliated for every Muslim and non-Muslim alike who were forced to witness that ignorant event.<br /><br />Well, except for the national bloggers, like Dan Savage, a leftist, fundamentalist extremist who managed to hijack a cartoon drawn by an apologetic cartoonist and fuel an international firestorm that created maelstrom and censorship, world-wide. <br /><br />Now, with the proposed “Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day,’ I see nothing that will further the truth or humanity either—just a knee-jerk reaction to ignorance by right-wing fundamentalist extremists who want to prove what we already know: humans can be crazy and ignorant.<br /><br />I have visited Dauchau, in Germany. As you enter the death camp there is a sign that reads: 'Arbeitet Machen Sie Frei!' ('Work Makes you free!') <br /><br />And from there, you witness tourists at Dauchau taking photos of their families posed around the ‘gas showers’ and the ‘ovens,’ seemingly oblivious to the atrocities that occurred there.<br /><br />How exactly does an event like ‘Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day’ equalize the ignorance of ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day?” <br /><br />If I thought that this event would finally awaken humanity from denial; and, so oblivious to the past, I would fervently support it. If I thought that this event would promise respect for what is sacred, I would support it. <br /><br />But I doubt it will even the score. It will only inflame fundamentalist extremists, both from the right and left, while the rest of us watch in horror. <br /><br /> Meanwhile, humanity will remain ignorant, because violence begets violence. Hasn’t the world shed enough tears already?<br /><br />This is a Mega-spectacle of human misery!<br /><br />Would God or Allah or Jesus Christ, or the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) see this as an act of wisdom, or as an act of the ego? <br /> <br />Although I am not a dogmatically religious person, I do recall what Jesus Christ said while being nailed to the cross: “Forgive them, father. They know not what they do!”<br /><br />I say: ‘Live and let live.’ Literally, please! <br /><br />This would be the greatest act of truth and humanity that any of us could perform.<br /><br />The Front Porch TalkerPagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12973771454553293300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54078355994440947192010-05-21T19:22:04.419-05:002010-05-21T19:22:04.419-05:00It is within living memory that it offended people...It is within living memory that it offended people in the US to the point of violence for blacks to want to be served at department store lunch counters, drink from the same water fountains and use the same public restrooms. <br />The lynchings that were justified as proper retribution for an uppity black having relations with a white woman were not common but the sense of fear and self censorship that they created were more common.<br /><br />And a good bit of what brought this system down was to force confrontation. To sit at the lunch counter and ask to be treated as another customer. To call out the bus company on its policies. To publically walk into church or the park with your black boyfriend and dare them to do anything. To march in the streets and force them to put their violence on public display where it was no longer hidden in the dark, beneath sheets but cataloged on the front page of the newspaper.<br /><br />I'm sure that there were any number of offended white men in the Jim Crow South. And I really don't weep for them.<br /><br />Muslims don't appreciate depictions of Mohammad? Ok. <br /><br />I'm offended at the blasphemy of calling the incarnated Christ just another prophet. My offendedness doesn't grant me the authority to threaten to kill those who dismiss the diety of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />There is a double standard in that the arts, academic and media institutions line up to defend artistic license and free speech when it is a matter of offense to Christians or Jews or heterosexuals or . . .<br /><br />But when the offense is to Islam (which just happens to threaten violence, even if it is threatened only by a minority), they not only back down but self-censor ahead of time.<br /><br />Another hypo that you missed was the case of violence by Christians toward abortion providers. The Christians were found, tried and jailed. Christians who had websites seen as promoting targeting abortion clinics and providers were also sued. Pro-abortion supporters didn't suggest that they should be careful not to offend Christians. The posted security guards and called the cops when protestors crossed the line from public protest to harrassment and tresspassing.<br /><br />That is the sort of courageous willingness to defend rights despite causing offense that I think is called for.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04009107720601931341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66240213919244844112010-05-21T08:24:03.600-05:002010-05-21T08:24:03.600-05:00Okay, I think I have your analogous example:
&quo...Okay, I think I have your analogous example:<br /><br />"Everybody Rally In Support Of Your Local Abortion Clinic Day."<br /><br />Abortion happens to be legal in the United States, and in some cases it's even medically necessary to save the life of the mother. Yet millions of Christians (and non-Christians as well, I presume) find the practice morally repugnant and in violation of their religion, and a certain few sects have made activism against abortion--to the point of terrorism and murder, in the case of a FEW extremists--part of their "mission statement."<br /><br />So those who support the right of women to seek abortions should go out and rally around their local abortion clinics in support, or have rallies in public places in support of the right to have an abortion.<br /><br />Thoughts?<br /><br />Note: I am only offering this as an equivalence analogy. It sure seems to work for me as an analogy. My own thoughts on abortion, as I suspect is the case for most Americans, is decidedly mixed.Alexander D. Mitchell IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063927891723178579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38135314688487947552010-05-20T22:03:28.230-05:002010-05-20T22:03:28.230-05:00I have a perfect analogy for you Anne. Drawing m...I have a perfect analogy for you Anne. Drawing mocking cartoons of Mohammed is like drawing the same of Hitler, and quite offensive to Nazis.Brian Mackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10186974009384447015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30353695595809899072010-05-20T18:34:18.696-05:002010-05-20T18:34:18.696-05:00Ann,
how many people are killed for offending ...Ann,<br /><br /> how many people are killed for offending muslims? how many are killed for offending christians, jews, or any other religion? Do all those other religious kills equal the ones killed for offending muslims?<br /><br /> People are sick of the multi-cultural acquiescence by political leaders and want to make a personal, non-violent statement against the people who are attacking the artists that are living in hiding, the ones that are found with a note pinned with a knife to their chests. <br /><br /> As with all academics, you want to participate in an intellectual exercise. this is not an intellectual exercise, this is incitement, this is drawing a line and calling out the radicals, and having it out with them, the moderates be damned, they are irrelevant, if they were not irrelevant, we would not be at this point. <br /><br /><br /> so to put a fine point on it, you have decided that attacking terrorists, creates terrorists, that is fine, that is your opinion, but citing Taranto does not make your opinion anymore valid.jkmackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16350941958278768531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59270254342050173732010-05-20T18:24:44.502-05:002010-05-20T18:24:44.502-05:00I did not draw Muhammad, but consider that Islam m...I did not draw Muhammad, but consider that Islam may be the <a href="http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2009/03/could-islam-be-religion-of-beast-in_06.html" rel="nofollow">religion of the Beast</a>. Time will tell.Blue Collar Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405341351988210669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90060512822214545782010-05-20T11:00:53.804-05:002010-05-20T11:00:53.804-05:00Draw or DieDraw or DieKeesKennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806735577756844974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35713978388222371612010-05-20T10:51:15.591-05:002010-05-20T10:51:15.591-05:00Why stop at cartoons? Follow the hate to its ultim...Why stop at cartoons? Follow the hate to its ultimate goal. Kill each other. Non-muslims should kill muslims and muslims should kill non-muslims. Bomb each other out. Now do not be easy on each other. You have histories to defend and honor to protect. And then there is freedom of speech. I do not know which freedom of speech is protected by hate speech. Probably not the kind i know. Start abusing each other. Fathers, mothers, children, relations, prophets, religion, leaders ..nothing should be spared. March on with all the obscenity you can find. <br />Defending this and defending that .... all you people including me have no other problem that our stomach being full and we are not feeling the hunger and misery ....<br />So kill each other ....do whatever you can with each other ....maybe you are able to achieve something higher with this non-sense ..<br /><br />No wonder you guys need shrinks every step of the way .... I am sick and tired of the concept of so-called freedom of Americans ... Which freedom are you talking about? in the fangs of capitalism, over-loaded by consumerism, .... wtf man .... <br />What kind of shit is facebook?<br />twitter , orkut, bla bla ....<br /><br />All the intellectual crap spread all around with least amount of wisdom ....<br /><br />Why did American economy fail if everything was so good? I guess you cant blame Muslims there. Bombing countries for oil ...Can you blame Muslims there? <br /><br />lol @ freedom of speech ....<br />lol @ ignorance <br />lol @ intellect<br />lol @ America<br />lol @ West<br />lol @ Muslims<br />lol @ Christians .<br />.........so on ......... <br /><br />There is only shame all around . Can't control you tongue ...what can you control?????Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229743868385317393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15576426872230147412010-05-20T10:18:35.942-05:002010-05-20T10:18:35.942-05:00An example that would offend christians? Take The...An example that would offend christians? Take The Name Of God In Vain Day. Sure, alot of Americans would scoff at the idea, but quite a few Christians really dislike it when you do that, and there's an entire league here in the Netherlands dedicated to getting people to stop.<br /><br />Everyone Draw Muhammad Day is trying to antagonize Muslims. I get where they're coming from: They're defying those who throw around death threats. But they're also unnecessarily offending my Turkish friend, who has no beef with them or vice versa. I'm not saying she'd flip out, anymore than a local Sunday School Mom would flip out over Blasphemy Day, but they'd be offended, and while I agree that both are forms of protected speech, I don't see the need to GO OUT OF OUR WAY to offend people.Mailankahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13354118846382303768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21094489706879428452010-05-20T08:37:04.588-05:002010-05-20T08:37:04.588-05:00"I have Taranto! What say you now?"
App..."I have Taranto! What say you now?"<br /><br />Appeal to authority is still appeal to authority. The heretic liberals (aka "neocons") stopped listening to Charles Johnson when he stopped being reasonable and began demanding we ignore his logical fallacies on the grounds that he did more for the neocon movement than anyone else. He may be technically correct, but that didn't stop us from calling him out and eventually leaving him behind after he made it clear he would no longer tolerate any questioning of his beliefs.<br /><br />"Everybody Draw Mohammed" day is as much about mitigating very real risks by engaging in a mass action (safety in numbers) as it is about offending people who need to be offended. Even the most polite people should stand up for their right to offend others, because it's impossible to avoid offending everyone, especially people who pretend to be offended by many correctable behaviors but are, in fact, offended by the very fact you exist, and will constantly invent new grievances to claim offense at until the polite people are no longer allowed to dissent, or even speak in their own defense, at all.<br /><br />If "fighting back" in the culture war involved killing or even theft, I would oppose it, but this move only involves offensive drawings. How can anyone who believes in free speech oppose that?Tatterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06438818838632755061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55553235372840491712010-05-16T04:27:43.784-05:002010-05-16T04:27:43.784-05:00I strongly condemn this campaign.It must be stoppe...I strongly condemn this campaign.It must be stopped. It is nothing but humiliation of Muslim's feelings. Also it'll cause separation among the different religions in our globe.alipur7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16100384510893520745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42544904475398365872010-04-29T05:52:10.600-05:002010-04-29T05:52:10.600-05:00Here's one. http://www.cathnews.com/article.as...Here's one. http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=8112<br />Anti-Catholic, check.<br />Obnoxious, check.<br />Taboo, check<br />Death threats, check.Anga2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/03065973927621559044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51089345043262609692010-04-28T23:35:41.885-05:002010-04-28T23:35:41.885-05:00There are posts after posts on this site smearing ...<i>There are posts after posts on this site smearing "all" Muslims as terrorists, etc.</i><br /><br />Cite three of them...Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41459536857751763152010-04-28T18:53:57.839-05:002010-04-28T18:53:57.839-05:00Moira,
I think I know where I might have lost you...Moira,<br /><br />I think I know where I might have lost you. I misspelled the word "Simian". Does that help?<br /><br />Ok, you say you're conservative, so I'll be nice. Yes, we were founded upon European/British traditions; problem is, when the traditional rule of order crumbled, many European nations started down the path to totalitarianism (Italy, Germany, etc.). The old traditions were slowly lost, and liberal socialist views eventually took hold in many places. I would argue that it's not all that surprising then that many citizens in those countries would allow themselves to be bullied by Islamists (I.e., just another form of totalitarianism). Maybe we disagree, but I feel that socialism encourages human weakness, and eventually erodes long-time "traditions". The US, on the other hand, by and large retained what made us unique, which is why we won't cave in- if we can keep it together.<br /><br />But as for everything collapsing if we don't all do EDMD, and this leading to the destruction of our 1st Amen. rights, and other parades of horribles- I just don't buy it. All my life conservatives have had baseless accusations of racism, hatred, etc. thrown our way. I don't hate innocent people- I may disagree strongly, but I don't hate. Thus, it offends me when I see comments by some that seem...well, pretty hateful. Not to rehash all the great arguments that have been raised by many on this site- but <br />I simply don't think it's a "guiding principle" (or a bright thing) to be an asshole to innocent people, if they are obeying the laws and living peacefully. But maybe we disagree.<br /><br />Well, I've really overstayed my welcome, so I'm outta here.A.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04715847289617725350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33048541190318057442010-04-28T14:01:27.282-05:002010-04-28T14:01:27.282-05:00A.G. - You seem to want to have your cake and eat ...A.G. - <i>You seem to want to have your cake and eat it to: to implicitly value the general ideologies and beliefs of the Europeans over the sensibilities and instincts of those coarse Americans with (as Iowahawk put it) their "Siminan grunts", but then you are surprised when the Europeans fall prey to fascism, and we by and large, haven't.</i><br /><br />Dude, what the <i>hell</i> are you babbling on about? Here, I'll bravely wade into the morass (so obviously I do take mess!) and lay bare the loopy chain of "reasoning" that resulted in the above goo: "Moira said that the political traditions of the United States arose out of the earlier European, specifically British, traditions. It therefore follows that Moira prefers current European systems and despises our own."<br /><br />Ya know, I was going to refer you to one of the many fine web pages offering basic intros to logic fallacies, but I don't think whatever is going on in your brain even attains to the level of "logical fallacy": "Blag. Booga boo. Rippytippytippy bankruptcy laws ting tang Tea Party rage Obama's anti-Semitic church aaaruuuuga aaaruuga fascist Europe bloopa biz mercy mercy health care mandates shingbanzola."<br /><br />Or even "baffle 'em with bullshit."<br /><br /><i>You are correct that we were founded on a series of guiding principles, and IMHO it is those principles that will save us in the end, provided we can retain them.</i><br /><br />You're a bit turned around here. Paco and I are the ones defending the importance of retaining those guiding principles. You're the guy pooh-poohing them.<br /><br /><i>Funny, they're both conservatives.</i><br /><br />Uh, yeah, and so am I. Is there a point in their somewhere?<br /><br /><i>I believe the US is that "last greatest hope on earth", and my casual remarks ("don't take no mess") are not simply empty slogans.</i><br /><br />Unlike the First Amendment, apparently.<br /><br /><br />wv: troodiou. Baby I'll be troodiou forever.Moira Breenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00456090223335583421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16709393959800357892010-04-28T11:39:21.213-05:002010-04-28T11:39:21.213-05:00Paco and Moira,
Paco first: Ok, I chose my words...Paco and Moira,<br /><br />Paco first: Ok, I chose my words poorly. I meant "melting pot" in the more loosey-goosey sense; the melting pot concept didn't really take hold until later. You are correct that we were founded on a series of guiding principles, and IMHO it is those principles that will save us in the end, provided we can retain them. But anyone studying history will realize we had much more of a melting pot at our founding- at least demographically- than we sometimes acknowledge.<br /><br />Moira, I feel like the scene in Pulp Fiction where the guy comes out of the john and starts firing away wildly at Jules and Vincent. But they're not hit.<br /><br />Um, what am I supposed to say? There are posts after posts on this site smearing "all" Muslims as terrorists, etc., and I'm the bad guy because I make a light-hearted crack about Canadians and the French? Yes, there are Canadian heroes standing up to the nonsense- Mark Steyn comes to mind, and Americans like Ann Coulter who aren't cowed by the laws. Funny, they're both conservatives.<br /><br />But again, I believe the US is that "last greatest hope on earth", and my casual remarks ("don't take no mess") are not simply empty slogans. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it to: to implicitly value the general ideologies and beliefs of the Europeans over the sensibilities and instincts of those coarse Americans with (as Iowahawk put it) their "Siminan grunts", but then you are surprised when the Europeans fall prey to fascism, and we by and large, haven't.<br /><br />True, we do have a man leading this country who sat in an anti-Semitic church for 20 years, and yet American Jews overwhelmingly voted for him. Whose fault is that? Is it possible that such an individual may harbor anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli beliefs (and thus, may look the other way for "totalitarian creep in the west)?<br /><br />But people want to say that my "rights" are imposed upon because the Muslim cab driver won't let me carry beer in his cab? It's frustratrating- but there are other cabs (and it's a little different from profiling suspected terrorists- fine by me, btw) What *is* troubling is when our country jettisons the laws that we have had for ages- when we throw away our bankruptcy laws to give perks to unions, impose a "mandate" that we buy health care, etc, etc. <br /><br />When the institutions crumble, and the level playing field of laws and democracy are obliterated- and the people no longer care- that's when a society falls prey to whatever new threatening "ism" comes along. And that's the real reason for the "anger" of the "unruly mob" at the Tea Parties. How many of those do you see in the Great White North, or beloved Europe?<br /><br />Over and out.A.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04715847289617725350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70171533616498910422010-04-28T09:16:09.334-05:002010-04-28T09:16:09.334-05:00SMGalbraith said...
"Yes, I'm willing to...SMGalbraith said... <br />"Yes, I'm willing to send the military onto Omaha Beach to protect our liberties.<br /><br />But not if Omaha Beach is located in the US."<br /><br />I was in the Army in 1967. You do realize that we sent the regular Army to such towns as Detroit during that time. If we had riots again, today, in such cities in the US, do you doubt that Obama would send in regular troops?AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78272029677213419282010-04-28T08:51:45.489-05:002010-04-28T08:51:45.489-05:00SMG: OK, fair enough, the first amendment isn'...<i>SMG: OK, fair enough, the first amendment isn't a hill you're willing to die on. </i><br /><br />Sorry, I said no such thing.<br /><br />You asked me if <i>people</i> who try or threaten to violently suppress legitimate free speech are our "enemy".<br /><br />I said:<br /><i>I don't believe that <b>Americans</b> who want to prevent the showing of, let's say, "Piss Christ" and threaten violence to do so are our enemy.</i><br /><br />Americans.<br /><br />I then added that those people are:<br /><i>Criminals? Yes. Enemies of free speech? Yes. But enemies as in war? No.</i><br /><br />Yes, I'm willing to send the military onto Omaha Beach to protect our liberties.<br /><br />But not if Omaha Beach is located in the US.<br /><br />For that, we use the police and law enforcement. And if they have to use force to enforce the law, they should use it.Steve M. Galbraithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01728237625873443198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85138367557120413702010-04-28T08:21:18.271-05:002010-04-28T08:21:18.271-05:00OK, Ann, I'll take up your challenge.
The dif...OK, Ann, I'll take up your challenge.<br /><br />The difference between "suck on a crucifix" and "draw Mohammed day" is that Christians believe Jesus was divine. Mohammed, as I understand it, is NOT believed to be divine by Muslims.<br /><br />So, the better analogy would be (since he was crucified upside down) "suck on St. Peter's cross" since he was the first pope. That would not enrage Christians. <br /><br />The point of the "everyone draw Mohammed" is to make a threats of violence backfire so these groups will stop making them.Mike Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17435605216805307424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79125561335708702632010-04-28T07:47:21.124-05:002010-04-28T07:47:21.124-05:00> I'd like to avoid a clash of civilization...> I'd like to avoid a clash of civilizations if we could.<br /><br />I have seen how things go when Islamofascism takes over. The Taliban in Afghanistan is a classic example. Its impossible for there to be a clash of civilizations with people like that. A clash of civilizations requires at least two civilizations to be clashing, and the islamofascists don't have one to clash with ours.A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77043365713484491092010-04-28T07:45:18.752-05:002010-04-28T07:45:18.752-05:00Let me see if I've got you straight here, A.G....Let me see if I've got you straight here, A.G.:<br /><br />1) The price of liberty <i>isn't</i> eternal vigilance. Because we're just extra-extra special, and are immune to the processes by which other peoples lose their liberties. 'Cause we're like this magical country, totally open but totally isolated from forces working out elsewhere on the globe.!<br /><br />2) It can't happen here. But on the other hand, if it <i>does</i> happen here, nothing has really happened anyway, because doin' a 180 on political principles that were once considered fundamental is, wonderfully and mystically, the "American Way". Rather, it is the resistance to that which is somehow "unAmerican".<br /><br />3) Our political and cultural traditions don't derive from any pre-existing European political traditions, but instead just came out of nowhere. Or rather, were made up on the spot by a bunch of people who had no common culture. Or, at any rate, since many of us are not genetically descended from the guys who just made up all that stuff, f*** 'em. I want to replace all their ideas with stuff *my* ancestors thought up.<br /><br />4) Ergo, the Bill of Rights is irrelevant anyway, what we us being a melting pot and all, and holding as our first principle of political life that we just graciously add or delete so-called "rights" in deference to preferences of newcomers (as long as they ask nicely).<br /><br />5) Actually, come to think of it, there is no "we" to change. That's just some weird notion of European nations, with all kinds of nasty implications, like intolerance of having culturally alien mores imposed on us. I mean, "us". There can't possibly be any culturally alien mores, anyway. Not to an American. Unless they're those utterly alien Euro political traditions that we never had anything to do with, anyway.<br /><br /><i>All I can say is there is an alternative to curling up in a fetal position when one is threatened...</i><br /><br />Yeah, flogging old lame "surrender monkey" tropes, dissing Canadians (among whom are heroes fighting the good fight against the creep of totalitarianism in the West), meaningless braggadocio ("papa U.S. don't take no mess"), all the while refusing to defend a basic liberty. Yeah, that'll show 'em.Moira Breenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00456090223335583421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79006664292874879852010-04-28T06:50:24.694-05:002010-04-28T06:50:24.694-05:00"I think *we* are different..."
Ah, yes...<i>"I think *we* are different..."</i><br /><br />Ah, yes. It can't <i>possibly</i> happen here, right?<br /><br /><i>"But we were founded as a melting pot, and it is a bit dishonest to slam the door on other ideologies, as long as those individuals holding such views are respectful and peaceful (granted, easier said than done sometimes)."</i><br /><br />In brief, no. The U.S. was not 'founded as a melting pot'. It was founded with a specific set of guiding principles, which were, and are still, unique to itself. The idea that we must slowly trade our birthright as Americans for a mess of multiculti pottage is, quite simply, daft.Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89264168443762404572010-04-28T06:48:23.683-05:002010-04-28T06:48:23.683-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49164105525529363402010-04-28T06:47:37.719-05:002010-04-28T06:47:37.719-05:00I just thought of a moderate Muslim: Anwar Sadat.I just thought of a moderate Muslim: Anwar Sadat.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85723319240015104182010-04-28T05:16:17.526-05:002010-04-28T05:16:17.526-05:00the example of 'everyone suck...." helped...the example of 'everyone suck...." helped me understand why such things would be mean to do - but, still knowing that the 'everyone suck...." probably does happen in some parties somewhere in america (oh, it definitely will now....) helps me understand why it's so scary to have government's banning such things (and people blowing you up for them..).<br /><br />"can't we all just get along?" nope.afarragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07922225999813536280noreply@blogger.com