tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post6110133147002244257..comments2024-03-19T07:45:47.298-05:00Comments on Althouse: More debate — at the University of Wisconsin — about affirmative action.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45616575369434029942012-09-28T14:39:03.902-05:002012-09-28T14:39:03.902-05:00he's saying you're pretending not to get h...<i>he's saying you're pretending not to get his point.</i><br /><br />I ain't pretending.<br /><br />I truly&honestly beleive that his point is that for the past seven years he has worked as a contractor for various companies because they won't hire him on as a full-time employee, and that the reason they won't hire him on full-time is because of Affirmative Action.<br /><br />If that ain't what he was saying, then can someone please explain what was meant with the second paragraph of the comments on 9/27/12 10:49 AM? <br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8459732290662364692012-09-28T13:55:05.880-05:002012-09-28T13:55:05.880-05:00The way you keep insisting that your opinion on th...<i>The way you keep insisting that your opinion on this matter is actually a fact, and thus anyone who disagrees with it must be a liar, speaks volumes.</i><br /><br />DerplePenquin, that's not what he's accusing you of lying about. he's saying you're pretending not to get his point. I disagree. I think you truly don't grok it.Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12133279828547003387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88198281312425563102012-09-28T11:12:04.081-05:002012-09-28T11:12:04.081-05:00Meanwhile,
WI taxpayers on the hook for discrimin...Meanwhile,<br /><br />WI<a href="http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/former-veterans-official-awarded-million-in-discrimination-case/article_8e3641b0-08d5-11e2-905d-0019bb2963f4.html" rel="nofollow"> taxpayers on the hook for discrimination by Doyle appointee who hired, reassigned and fired people because of the color of their skin.</a>TosaGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08520232078421382322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27309049908661111152012-09-28T06:59:16.975-05:002012-09-28T06:59:16.975-05:00I thought not.I thought not.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85804415465165122812012-09-27T22:20:34.449-05:002012-09-27T22:20:34.449-05:00I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Tom, but we'...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Tom, but we're disagreeing about your <b>opinion</b> that the reason why you haven't been able to be hired full time in the last seven years is because of Affirmative Action. I know you don't want to hear it said, but my opinion is that given the long amount of time you said this was happening (seven years) there might be other factors involved. <br /><br />The way you keep insisting that your opinion on this matter is actually a fact, and thus anyone who disagrees with it must be a liar, speaks volumes. <br /><br /><br />And since it appears that this is very important to some folks, it should be pointed out that 100% of the posts in this thread by DustBunnyQueen, X and Alex were all "off topic" and consisted only of personal remarks. I wonder why the self-appointed board cop didn't call 'em out on that?<br /><br />Then again, no need to wonder. The reason why is pretty obvious. <br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55948341557149591422012-09-27T21:12:48.687-05:002012-09-27T21:12:48.687-05:00Yes, penguin, you are a lying liar who lies.
Deli...Yes, penguin, you are a lying liar who lies.<br /><br />Deliberately, too.<br /><br />Low life. Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21674406611226056032012-09-27T19:30:54.004-05:002012-09-27T19:30:54.004-05:00PurplePenquin doesn't believe such words were ...<i>PurplePenquin doesn't believe such words were ever uttered</i><br /><br />*sigh*<br /><br />Despite your misconception (your lie?) about what I have been saying, I can beleive that those words were uttered once or twice in the past few years. What I have a hard time beleiving is that for over five years a person has been unable to hired for a full-time job just because he is a white male. <br /><br />And yes, I understand that many of you honestly beleive it is a <b>fact</b> (rather than an opinion) that skincolor/gender is the reason why Tom wasn't able to get hired full time for the past seven years and thus ya'll think it is a total lie for anyone to say there <b>might</b> have been other factors involved with those hiring decisions. <br /><br />That's the main problem...ya'll think your opinions are cold-hard facts, and anyone who disagrees is a lying liar who lies.<br /><br />~~~~<br /><br /><i>Lead me to some info? I'm not familiar with Mifflin St, and Halloween '04 doesn't tell me much.</i><br /><br />They both happened in Madison. Wiki has some info, and there are news stories to be found via Google.<br /><br /><i>Nice try</i><br /><br />???<br /><br />Is that your way of saying that you only ask questions and you won't answer 'em? 'cause I don't understand what ya mean by that reply.<br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5695536880995750212012-09-27T18:43:06.672-05:002012-09-27T18:43:06.672-05:00Affirmative action is the continuing message to mi...Affirmative action is the continuing message to minorities and women that "you can't do it on your own." That, in fact, you are inferior to those nasty old (and young) white males.<br /><br />Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people affirmative action is intended to help come to believe they can't compete and excel on their own and they demand more and more help. Some even need someone to buy them birth control pills because doing it for themselves is asking too much. Others lie about their heritage and pretend to be Native Americans because they can't compete and succeed on their own merits.<br /><br />The overall outcome is individuals misplaced or failing in their careers and a deteriorating society.DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16328521233574592772012-09-27T16:45:54.021-05:002012-09-27T16:45:54.021-05:00Esenberg will represent the position well. He'...Esenberg will represent the position well. He's very smart and strong on the issues. He's also decent and fair minded. UW should hire him, but they won't. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43806948648214890592012-09-27T16:04:07.386-05:002012-09-27T16:04:07.386-05:00Black people have a 1-standard-deviations-lower IQ...Black people have a 1-standard-deviations-lower IQ than the average American.<br /><br />And no educational environment has been shown to be able erase that IQ gap. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10527172173224248822012-09-27T15:29:24.894-05:002012-09-27T15:29:24.894-05:00I had a friend who went to Stuyvesant HS in NYC. ...I had a friend who went to Stuyvesant HS in NYC. Stuyvesant is a public school, but it's very well funded and extremely difficult to get into. Entrance is by competitive exam only. My friend was Chinese. He came from a poor immigrant family. He became a doctor.....The majority of the students are from Asian backgrounds, and these kids frequently come from impoverished backgrounds. There are some white kids, but for the most part they come from more middle class backgrounds.....The blacks and Latinos are underrepresented in the student population. The NAACP is bringing suit against the elite NYC high schools. The bet here is that they will win it. The kids that get screwed will be poor Asian kids. The black kids that benefit will probably be from much more privileged backgrounds and will probably be the children of West Indian immigrants. The white middle class kids, if their enrollment is even cut at all, will find other paths to college and success...This is patently unfair to the Asian kids, but there will not be single liberal who will make such an observation.....For the record, I'm pretty sure that my own group, ethnic Catholics, are probably underrepresented in enrollment at Stuyvesant, but I don't feel deprived. It's more to my self interest that very bright kids study with other very bright kids and find a way to cure cancer than for my particular ethnic group to be represented proportionally among the bright kids. Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19776646353181627842012-09-27T14:45:28.355-05:002012-09-27T14:45:28.355-05:00I'll just say it doesn't take much courage...I'll just say it doesn't take much courage to support affirmative action in one of the whitest places on Earth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06813014048616937121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52850224243559030492012-09-27T14:34:02.701-05:002012-09-27T14:34:02.701-05:00Yup. Its called "spiking the thread"
Th...<i>Yup. Its called "spiking the thread"<br /><br /></i>That's reason #1 why it's best to ignore trolls.campyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188668300381722712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13151496821114188722012-09-27T14:27:59.821-05:002012-09-27T14:27:59.821-05:00He took a thread that could have been damaging to ...<i>He took a thread that could have been damaging to the left (in the sense that it highlights unpopular leftist ideas) and turned it into a morass of gibberish.</i><br /><br />Yup. Its called "spiking the thread", much like you would spike a cannon. Several of Althouse's liberal commenters routinely do this to derail discussion they are uncomfortable with. And she still allows them to post here.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79226716114273701432012-09-27T14:17:12.734-05:002012-09-27T14:17:12.734-05:00I should have worn a wire twelve years ago when I ...I should have worn a wire twelve years ago when I was interviewing for faculty positions. I would have recorded things like "We'd hire you but we need to hire a woman."<br /><br />PurplePenquin doesn't believe such words were ever uttered. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58338301127687212842012-09-27T14:12:02.155-05:002012-09-27T14:12:02.155-05:00purplepenquin said...
Just so we know the next tim...purplepenquin said...<br />Just so we know the next time this comes up, what do you consider a riot?<br /><br />Locally? Mifflin St '96 and Halloween '04 are a couple latest examples.<br /><br /><br />Lead me to some info? I'm not familiar with Mifflin St, and Halloween '04 doesn't tell me much.<br /><br /><br />Do you agree with CurioGeo that the events at the Capitol on March 10, 2011 were a riot? Was that the only riot that happened during the protests or do you beleive there were more?<br /><br /><br />Nice try. <br />Do YOU consider the tresspassing and damage to public property by a out of control group of people a riot?<br /><br />Please be specific. <br /><br /><br />Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25563608985273545852012-09-27T14:08:12.215-05:002012-09-27T14:08:12.215-05:00Dust Bunny Queen said...
Putrid Penguin has to be...<i>Dust Bunny Queen said... <br />Putrid Penguin has to be one of the dumbest liberal trolls of all time.</i><br /><br />He took a thread that could have been damaging to the left (in the sense that it highlights unpopular leftist ideas) and turned it into a morass of gibberish. So is he stupid? Or did he accomplish exactly what he wanted?testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478829894294731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12664492044968088062012-09-27T14:05:05.116-05:002012-09-27T14:05:05.116-05:00I would love to share all the gory details on how ...I would love to share all the gory details on how this has worked out from what I have seen in my career and industry.<br /><br />The worst effect is on members of protected classes, because everyone assumes they were hired because of AA preferences. There is a cloud of suspicion and skepticism and doubt. It is a perception that the person has to overcome and prove wrong. It about sets them back worse than if there was no quota system.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77379325105851665652012-09-27T13:57:37.694-05:002012-09-27T13:57:37.694-05:00Fen: Care to discuss the actual merits of Affirmat...Fen: Care to discuss the actual merits of Affirmative Action?<br /><br />PurplePenguin: <i>That's not really The Topic of this post...</i><br /><br />ie. no, you would rather hector Shouting Thomas over something he did not say.<br /><br />Is it because you can't defend Affirmative Action? Or because you don't know how to? Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77094851351830204642012-09-27T13:44:15.371-05:002012-09-27T13:44:15.371-05:00Putrid Penguin has to be one of the dumbest libera...Putrid Penguin has to be one of the dumbest liberal trolls of all time.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15115422951538885247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89710537704848274192012-09-27T13:42:49.320-05:002012-09-27T13:42:49.320-05:00And, penguin, to further elaborate on your propens...And, penguin, to further elaborate on your propensity to lying, I clearly said that I don't give a shit any more because I'm approaching retirement.<br /><br />The whole mess will cease to have much to do with me any more. I don't spend much time worrying about things that don't concern me.<br /><br />A decade ago, I had an entirely different view.Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49332614963514886432012-09-27T13:38:01.707-05:002012-09-27T13:38:01.707-05:00Affirmative action seems to be heavily discounted ...Affirmative action seems to be heavily discounted at Amazon.com<br /><br />That is, one can buy a copy of Jayson Blair's "Burning Down My Master's House: Life at teh New York Times [abridged][audio CD]<br /><br />Available from these sellers.<br /> <br />24 new from $0.01 <br />18 used from $0.01 <br /><br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Burning-Down-My-Masters-House/dp/1590075471/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348770705&sr=8-1&keywords=Burning+Down+My+Masters%27+House%3A+My+Life+at+the+New+York+Times <br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16099940931064117337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58132424546228841812012-09-27T13:25:24.157-05:002012-09-27T13:25:24.157-05:00Shouting Thomas said...
Do you make it a habit to...Shouting Thomas said...<br /><br />Do you make it a habit to engage in outright lying?<br /><br />That question answers itself, doesn't it?<br /><br />You're just a liar, penguin. A bald faced liar."<br /><br />You're a regular here, this is new to you? PP has a history of this...both the outright lie as well as intellectual dishonesty. Curious Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14440726941494085334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3713328647559656652012-09-27T13:24:31.026-05:002012-09-27T13:24:31.026-05:00The words "full time" kind of qualify th...<i>The words "full time" kind of qualify that statement.</i><br /><br />THAT is what you're twisted up about?!<br /><br />*sigh*<br /><br />Feel free to put "full time" into all of the statements I said in response to your comment about how Affirmative Action results in you not being hired <b>full time</b>, and they are still just as valid.<br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60256303909016758302012-09-27T13:15:33.293-05:002012-09-27T13:15:33.293-05:00I said The reason companies don't hire me full...I said <i>The reason companies don't hire me full time is because of the racial and sexual quota system</i> in my first post.<br /><br />The words "full time" kind of qualify that statement.<br /><br />Do you make it a habit to engage in outright lying?<br /><br />That question answers itself, doesn't it?<br /><br />You're just a liar, penguin. A bald faced liar.Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.com