tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5987607518295120777..comments2024-03-28T14:22:43.555-05:00Comments on Althouse: "SlutWalk Toronto... has come and gone and spawned imitators. Already though, some feminists are questioning it's efficacy and impact on both men and women."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69068114281414181632013-12-25T12:37:09.308-06:002013-12-25T12:37:09.308-06:00The Slutwalk is comical at its best and provocativ...The Slutwalk is comical at its best and provocative at its worst. It does not address the true nature of rape and sexual assault: it is all about power. Rape is all about a strong person dehumanizing someone who is supposedly weaker than them. Someone can walk with jeans and t-shirt and be targeted by a rapist. <br /><br />The walk unfortunately does nothing to educate people about rape. It is all about a bunch of people saying they can wear what they want, behave how they want with no questions asked. The walk does not address the issues of child rape or acquaintance rape or same sex rape and focuses solely on how titillation is not an excuse for someone to manhandle a woman. " You can look but you can't touch" is the mantra. <br /><br />By the way, it would do women some good to listen to a cop who probably deals with sex assault and rape incidents on a daily basis besides other crimes. This movement happens to be the brain child of a 17 year old who clearly lives in a fantasy world where taking preventive measures or personal responsibility is tantamount to blaming the victim for a terrible crime. Locking your car does not guarantee that someone won't break in but it is certainly a good deterrant that may stop a car thief from trying to break in. lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978477840888513069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35280012461345834652011-07-28T09:20:37.791-05:002011-07-28T09:20:37.791-05:00There is something called "street smarts"...There is something called "street smarts" that protects or minimizes one vulnerability to crime. Having street smarts enables you to avoid trouble. Lack of street smarts in many environments can result in great harm. <br /><br />The Slutwalk concept conveys the message that you are an easy victim to anybody looking for trouble. In practice all slutwalks do is provide entertainment to construction workers. The group provides protection and makes the participants feel brave.<br /><br />If women want to make a statement they should go on individual slutwalks in high crime neighborhoods. I would recommend that before they do this they should get their CCW and bring a nice compact 9mm with them. (My wife dresses professionally and that allows her to carry a ffull size M-9)jerryofvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02505743221755443719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17515619547394105182011-07-28T00:49:38.428-05:002011-07-28T00:49:38.428-05:00Some people prefer to be defined by their incident...Some people prefer to be defined by their incidental features and behaviors. This does not exactly represent an enlightened state of mind. It does correspond to a very primitive and base natural order.<br /><br />I wonder if they can simultaneously preserve and reject their dignity.<br /><br />Oh well. For many people, the primary concern is instant gratification. I guess we should enjoy the success of past generations for as long as we can afford it. Unfortunately, there are over 6 billion other individuals in this world, and many of them are not nearly so degenerate. We will likely learn the consequences of our decadent state of existence sooner than later.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49346379928653570852011-07-27T21:25:19.757-05:002011-07-27T21:25:19.757-05:00Lucius wrote: These SlutWalkers are mostly lesbian...Lucius wrote: <i>These SlutWalkers are mostly lesbians and LUGs with maybe a poorly-used 90 IQ.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lug" rel="nofollow">LUG</a>. LOL! I love the richness of the English language.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32122003679966397522011-07-27T19:06:59.076-05:002011-07-27T19:06:59.076-05:00There does appear to be a different standard for w...There does appear to be a different standard for women and drunkenness, if both a man and a woman are drunk off their ass the women appears to not be responsible for her actions, while he man is. Why is that, ladies?jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52431425506918538122011-07-27T18:10:03.869-05:002011-07-27T18:10:03.869-05:00"But even if you were drunk, nothing that hap..."But even if you were drunk, nothing that happens would ever be your fault."<br /><br />Funny how being drunk only obviates fault for one gender. The New Equality looks a lot like the old inequality.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13970112720764172104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61856326497090246202011-07-27T17:01:33.893-05:002011-07-27T17:01:33.893-05:00Prof. Althouse,
But even if you were drunk, nothi...Prof. Althouse,<br /><br /><i>But even if you were drunk, nothing that happens would ever be your fault.</i><br /><br />Unless you were a man, yes? I don't think the <i>man's</i> intoxication is even a mitigating factor in a "he said/she said" date-rape case, whereas if the man bought the woman bought a drink, it's indeed evidence ... <i>against him.</i><br /><br /><i>(By the way, it's just stupid to mix up the fault of the wrongdoer with the potential steps you could take to prevent attacks.)</i><br /><br />No, it's not, and furthermore no one here is making that mistake. The crime is the same crime; but there is all the same a difference between the guilt of the guy who (to take a recent pertinent example) goes to great lengths to get the code of your voicemail, and the guy who tries "1234" and gets right in, because you never changed the default. Or the girl who sees the keys already in the ignition of the unlocked Corvette and the girl who disables the lock and hotwires the car.<br /><br />If I left my large collection of valuable stringed instruments inside my garage, because I wanted to move them the next day, but forgot to close the garage door, and awoke to find they were all gone, I would obviously be a victim of theft. I don't think, though, that it would be at all inappropriate to point out that I was an <i>incredibly negligent</i> victim of theft. <br /><br />wv: filyties. Very young female foals?Michelle Dulak Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18041391162535875301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3253287170110913422011-07-27T15:29:50.525-05:002011-07-27T15:29:50.525-05:00Almost Ali said...
What I'd like to know is ho...Almost Ali said...<br />What I'd like to know is how an old Frenchman overpowered a sturdy, 31-year old black woman.<br /><br />The element of surprise.<br /><br />Since he was French she thought he would just surrender.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64760628834800763122011-07-27T15:28:48.163-05:002011-07-27T15:28:48.163-05:00Wearing a maid's uniform entitles you to rape ...Wearing a maid's uniform entitles you to rape someone if you are a Frenchman.<br /><br />Or so I hear.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10012338009273221762011-07-27T15:15:29.788-05:002011-07-27T15:15:29.788-05:00There seems to be a possibly deliberate but more l...There seems to be a possibly deliberate but more likely unconscious diminishing of the claim that ‘rape isn’t about sex’, in favor of allowing a woman to plausibly deny that she consented to sexual relations after the fact, in ‘slut walking’.<br /><br />Study a PUA Game a little and it’ll become clear why this is so, and why there really isn’t anything that men (or women) can do about it.Der Hahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967487071137862252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27815487912655197112011-07-27T15:07:45.706-05:002011-07-27T15:07:45.706-05:00What I'd like to know is how an old Frenchman ...What I'd like to know is how an old Frenchman overpowered a sturdy, 31-year old black woman.Almost Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427310325116128479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9661279685324201182011-07-27T14:50:48.688-05:002011-07-27T14:50:48.688-05:00alternatively it would be like dressing like a mat...alternatively it would be like dressing like a matador, walking into a bull fighting ring, waving a red cloth around and then complaining that you got gored by a bull.<br />Now certainly the bull is responsible for attacking you, but do you bear no responisibility for you predicament?<br />Ijr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20591937701664253282011-07-27T14:42:04.417-05:002011-07-27T14:42:04.417-05:00Truly no one deserves to get raped, and certainly ...Truly no one deserves to get raped, and certainly we should blame rapists for rapes. But c'mon ladies. If you dress like a ho, that's how people are going to treat you.<br />If you walk around with no underwear and your tits hanging out, and guys come up to you propositioning you, you shouldn't get mad that they,re treating you like a sex object. Because you're wearing a hoes uniform, and suggesting that you're looking to give away your sex. <br /><br /><br />Dave chapelle had a grate riff on this with the following:<br /><br />http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/763c6bf8cc/dave-chappelle-whores-uniform-from-standupfan<br /><br />From a personal safety standpoint, why do women not get that how they dress potentially puts them at risk, not because they deserve to get raped, but because how you dress or behave in a certain neighborhood can dictate how you get treated.<br /><br />Like say I walked into Harlem with a klu klux klan kleagle uniform on and walked around with a sign denigrating blacks. Now you might say I'm not responsible for my beating and only the perpetrator is responsible. But really? If I said, don't assume I'm a racist simply because I'm wearing a kkk outfit and carrying a sign calling black people monkeys, people would question my sanity. <br />If I was crying in my hospital bed about getting assaulted, most people would respond "well you shouldn't have dressed up like a kkk member and then walked into Harlem you moron. You deserved to get beaten because you are retarded!"jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62368040980955108542011-07-27T13:06:25.573-05:002011-07-27T13:06:25.573-05:00Responsibility for rape rests with rapists. Not wi...<i>Responsibility for rape rests with rapists. Not with victims. Period.</i><br /><br />Wrong. Not period. Rape is a special type of crime and should be severely punished no matter what circumstances brought the rape. However it is not always 100% blameless on the woman's side either.<br /><br />When you are given a tool, for example a chainsaw, and you are foolish and careless with it and you get injured, do we blame the chainsaw?<br /><br />Our bodies are the tools we have been given to live with and the way we conduct our lives and use our tools is up to us. We must take personal responsibility for our OWN actions. <br /><br />Sometimes bad things happen to people through no fault whatsoever of their own. Other times they bring the trouble upon themselves.<br /><br />When you are foolishly hiking in the wilderness, unarmed, with no care or consideration of where you are or your surroundings and you are attacked by a wild animal, do you not need to accept some of the blame for your actions.<br /><br />Note, I am not saying that all men are wild animals, however to be realistic, there are some pretty nasty characters out and about. They don't have the saying "It's a jungle out there" for no reason.<br /><br />Women are responsible for taking as much care and caution as circumstances warrant. <br /><br />Sometimes bad things happen to people through no fault whatsoever of their own. Other times they bring the trouble upon themselves.<br /><br />Walk like a slut, act like a slut...don't be surprised and offended when men think you ARE a slut and treat you as such.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13341429444562280127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34281810353936709952011-07-27T12:44:27.692-05:002011-07-27T12:44:27.692-05:00Actually, a great many capitalists hide that fact ...Actually, a great many capitalists hide that fact for fear of getting raped by the government and communist agitators.<br /><br />It's just common sense.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88301744220787882712011-07-27T12:43:37.452-05:002011-07-27T12:43:37.452-05:00I don't get the point.
I bet the sluts in que...I don't get the point.<br /><br />I bet the sluts in question (and their hangers-on) have all sorts of unkind words for non-sluts.<br /><br />"Prude" was popular when I was a kid. I guess, back in Ann's day, it was "Square". "Puritan". "Anti-sex bigots", and so on.<br /><br />I would wager the percentage of people on either side of the "slut" issue that simply disapprove of others' lifestyles is astronomically higher than the percentage that thinks girls should be raped. That latter number approaching around 0%, I'd wager (at least outside certain Muslim communities).<br /><br />So it does seem like they're walking for—and really, "walking for" an abstract concept is pretty dumb—freedom from the onerous burden of self-defense.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51625286800540308522011-07-27T12:39:46.697-05:002011-07-27T12:39:46.697-05:00Pragmatist --
"Next we will be blaming banks...Pragmatist --<br /><br />"Next we will be blaming banks for the robbery...after all they are flaunting their assets."<br /><br />I've yet to see one bank official strutting down the street with hundreds hanging out of his pockets and loudly proclaiming himself a capitalist pig, much less a parade of them.Oligonicellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656818633822942314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56478474857369309292011-07-27T12:37:59.799-05:002011-07-27T12:37:59.799-05:00LordSomber,
The real bottom line here is not rape...LordSomber,<br /><br /><i>The real bottom line here is not rape per se, but poor risk assessment. Isn't that what the Toronto cop was talking about?<br /><br />I thought feminists were supposed to be smart.</i><br /><br />That's how they get you <i>every time,...</i><br /><br />Anyway, as we saw in the thread on helping a kid in danger, <a href="http://www.themachoresponse.com/crackMC/wordpress/?p=3858" rel="nofollow">risk assessment</a> isn't everyone's strong suit.The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49751528291265611562011-07-27T12:37:57.438-05:002011-07-27T12:37:57.438-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Col Mustardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02964204495100091586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45501182397895782342011-07-27T12:33:59.038-05:002011-07-27T12:33:59.038-05:00The feminists who organize these slutwalks are obj...The feminists who organize these slutwalks are objectively pro-rape.Ignorance is Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351664545145783244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13118070352464310172011-07-27T12:32:38.027-05:002011-07-27T12:32:38.027-05:00There is guilt in provoking a crime. Creating temp...There is guilt in provoking a crime. Creating temptation, desire and an image of availability is provocative.<br /><br />There's a reason for those "Don't feed the bears" signs.Col Mustardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02964204495100091586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11843517734028415722011-07-27T12:27:37.489-05:002011-07-27T12:27:37.489-05:00Of course the flip side of this is to dehumanize m...Of course the flip side of this is to dehumanize men. To make men just robots of their libido who have no control when they see a alluring woman. This silly fantasy gives the perp the pass. No is no. No excuses. It is not that hard to behave. Next we will be blaming banks for the robbery...after all they are flaunting their assets.Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12038143934150553741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84074331933878376642011-07-27T12:26:15.168-05:002011-07-27T12:26:15.168-05:00It'd be great if we could have a cultural scen...It'd be great if we could have a cultural scenario where, as the great Camille Paglia would like, women could really self-determine to live lives of chastity, or conjugal domesticity, or highbrow promiscuity of the Simone de Beauvoir sort, or even be a streetwalker.<br /><br /> But as Camille understands, this is an awful lot for any society to digest.<br /><br /> College girls are jerked around with all these ill-defined 'models' of how to exert their femininity, a lot of them things nobody would ever reasonably consider appealing.<br /><br /> These SlutWalkers are mostly lesbians and LUGs with maybe a poorly-used 90 IQ.<br /><br /> I feel sorry for the impressionable, but basically more sensible and gifted, young women who get snookered into wasting years and tears toiling in the saltmines of feminist cant and self-thwarting lifestyle choices before their heads clear.Luciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03938166025093103574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12366580693878944932011-07-27T12:22:35.801-05:002011-07-27T12:22:35.801-05:00The real bottom line here is not rape per se, but ...The real bottom line here is not rape per se, but <b>poor risk assessment.</b> Isn't that what the Toronto cop was talking about?<br /><br />I thought feminists were supposed to be smart.LordSomberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483452672640797537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9058600352825657492011-07-27T12:22:32.839-05:002011-07-27T12:22:32.839-05:00It's always the fault of the person who acts o...It's always the fault of the person who acts or feels - they are responsible for their own actions. Let's take this to all its conclusion as well:<br /><br />If someone walks up to my wife in public and insults her terribly, its my fault for getting angry. I could've been calm and rational.<br /><br />If I walk into north Philadelphia in a KKK costume painted with racial slurs, and get attacked by a mob, it's the fault of the mob for not controlling themselves. I have no fault.<br /><br />If I walk into a gay bar and take a drink from a stranger who looks really shady, and I wind up getting drugged, I have no personal responsibility nor should I have been obligated or expected to do anything differently. <br /><br />If I go into a Saudi Arabian market and spray random people with Pig's blood from a squirt gun while lighting Koran's on fire, and I get attacked/assaulted, I still did nothing wrong and I should be able to repeat my actions.<br /><br />If I dress up like hitler and walk into a synagogue and people get upset and act out against me, I still did nothing wrong.<br /><br />The aggressor is always 100% at fault and the victim should never be under any obligation to act differently.<br /><br />Just making sure I understand the logical conclusions here?TreeJoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377390550675463936noreply@blogger.com