tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5974529637289625142..comments2024-03-28T10:43:08.717-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I don’t want to be morbid, but I just want to remind you that you have control here."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38909874495760210752014-01-31T16:39:47.907-06:002014-01-31T16:39:47.907-06:00Laura,
What an incredibly stupid statement. The ...Laura, <br /><br />What an incredibly stupid statement. The orders are legal and accepted protocol. Evidence that they were given are on the med record, on the doctors order, in the patient's chart. What is there to report?? The state is aware of these types of orders, hospices use them all the time. The families want their loved ones to not be in pain and if the med is held by the nurse because of depressed respirations the families sometimes have a fit and call the doc to report nurse.<br /><br />This isn't new, these doses of morphine have been ordered by doctors and given by nurses for years, long before any imaginary death panels. Why don't you address your concerns to David, above, he was relieved his Mother's and wife's doc ordered big doses of morphine.<br /><br />Don't comment on something you have no earthly clue about, it makes you sound very ignorant. Sarah Palin level stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-156615400442507082014-01-31T13:48:11.403-06:002014-01-31T13:48:11.403-06:00Nurse Ratched never reports the doctors, especiall...Nurse Ratched never reports the doctors, especially the ones whose orders she likes.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903904675946934952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6059997416461717962014-01-31T13:27:13.061-06:002014-01-31T13:27:13.061-06:00Why prepare a script if not for the death panels?Why prepare a script if not for the death panels?Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903904675946934952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77875294716261883762014-01-30T23:05:44.653-06:002014-01-30T23:05:44.653-06:00Where does one draw the line the administration of...Where does one draw the line the administration of huge doses of morphine and euthanasia? Doctors have quietly been hastening death for years now, long before Obamacare. I recall one case in which 10mg.of morphine was ordered to be given every half an hour in an elderly dying patient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21031881196872803722014-01-30T22:54:39.730-06:002014-01-30T22:54:39.730-06:00"Depends on the policy, since not all policie..."Depends on the policy, since not all policies refuse to pay out for suicides."<br /><br />Nearly all life insurance have suicide clauses. However, they are not exclusions of payment upon death unless the death by suicide occurs early in the term of the policy. One or two years of suicide exclusion is the norm.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12391166560805883512014-01-30T22:50:00.161-06:002014-01-30T22:50:00.161-06:00"We expected her imminent, I mean any minute ..."We expected her imminent, I mean any minute death. It was 7 miserable days later before that wonderful, enlarged, wounded heart stopped beating. So when a doctor say we can turn it off, it doesn't mean you are going to die immediately."<br /><br />I am sorry it happened this way.<br /><br />My wife and my mother were luckier. The Docs were willing to give them morphine, quite a bit of it. It did not kill them outright but surely it hastened death and made the final hours of the process far more peaceful.<br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20890931450323349662014-01-30T20:39:23.826-06:002014-01-30T20:39:23.826-06:00great articles
http://goo.gl/mPrL56great articles<br />http://goo.gl/mPrL56ariefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14896849870754821082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5867318928903752522014-01-30T19:39:38.705-06:002014-01-30T19:39:38.705-06:00I am totally into decsion trees now.
Statistician...I am totally into decsion trees now.<br /><br />Statisticians are cool.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06593014816206957874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40556147573359031252014-01-30T19:33:20.524-06:002014-01-30T19:33:20.524-06:00Today at work I learned about machine learning tec...Today at work I learned about machine learning techniques including The Random Forests Algorithm.<br /><br />And...I saw Helen Mirren in a parade surrounded by drag queens winning the Hasty Pudding Award.<br /><br />Thank you Cambridge for being so fucking fab.<br /><br />tits that text mine.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06593014816206957874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67573157601783478412014-01-30T18:52:14.141-06:002014-01-30T18:52:14.141-06:00The patient should say, "Can I turn yours off...The patient should say, "Can I turn <i>yours</i> off?"Jim S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15538540873375357030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15030982460775753742014-01-30T18:40:13.503-06:002014-01-30T18:40:13.503-06:00Would that (suicide by "off button" nega...<i>Would that (suicide by "off button" negate a Life Insurance policy?</i><br /><br />Depends on the policy, since not all policies refuse to pay out for suicides.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9074877899550958482014-01-30T18:33:46.032-06:002014-01-30T18:33:46.032-06:00Culture of death = not artificially prolonging you...Culture of death = not artificially prolonging your life?<br /><br />If you die before you can get a pacemaker installed, that's God's will... but once it is installed, leaving it on as long as possible is God's will? God's a fickle little minx sometimes.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21797377676930438262014-01-30T18:24:01.847-06:002014-01-30T18:24:01.847-06:00Rockport Conservative, I've seen many elderly ...Rockport Conservative, I've seen many elderly chronically ill patients in you mother's condition. Not all, as a matter of fact very few are given a peaceful gentle death. Most need support in the way of pain meds, anti anxiety meds, meds to dry up secretions in lungs and elsewhere and oxygen, oral suctioning, etc. What your mother's doctor did with your permission was merciful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63538212837767595012014-01-30T18:10:16.235-06:002014-01-30T18:10:16.235-06:00My own dear mother was 89, had been a heart patien...My own dear mother was 89, had been a heart patient for years, had a pacemaker/defibrillator when she became deathly ill with a staph infection and her body began shutting down. After a few days of being filled with fluids which were only invading her tissues because her kidneys had failed, and she was in great pain in many ways she said, "no more, no more." Her cardiologist came in and with tears in his eyes; with her 5 daughters holding hands and praying around her, and shut down the device. We expected her imminent, I mean any minute death. It was 7 miserable days later before that wonderful, enlarged, wounded heart stopped beating. So when a doctor say we can turn it off, it doesn't mean you are going to die immediately.Rockport Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472979749733378317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35464975196667475022014-01-30T17:19:06.814-06:002014-01-30T17:19:06.814-06:00Exactly Godfather, Kevorkian and some of the group...Exactly Godfather, Kevorkian and some of the groups that assist in assisted suicides are a bit creepy in their enthusiasm. I think that it should be between a doctor and his patient or a doctor and his patient's chosen surrogates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19921644808442619132014-01-30T17:16:56.883-06:002014-01-30T17:16:56.883-06:00carrie said...
Research has shown that doctors ar...<br /> <br />carrie said... <br />Research has shown that doctors are wrong about half the time about who is dying and when death is imminent. Research also shows that a healthy person's view of what he thinks he would be willing to live with is different than what sick people thinks they would be willing to live with--disabled people are happier than healthy people expect. It also turns out that with most people, the sicker they get, the more pain, physical limitations, etc. they are willing to accept. Quality of life is subjective and a doctor advising you to die because your qualify of life isn't good is most likely basing that advice on his own personal views on qualify of life. Unfortunately, a young doctor or a healthy doctor will probably have a different view on quality of life than a patient who is struggling with a serious health issue. The biggest concern is that you will be allowed to die, or encouraged to die, by a doctor whose quality of life views do not match your own. <br /> 1/30/14, 4:36 PM "<br /><br />Very astute comment. As my late paternal grandmother use to say "life is just as sweet at 80 as at 18" and she was not in good shape for most of the years I remember her. cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63476941309271880682014-01-30T17:13:31.854-06:002014-01-30T17:13:31.854-06:00I don't think it's new news that a pacemak...I don't think it's new news that a pacemaker can interfere with accomplishing a decision to die naturally. It seems to me that I've heard that for years.<br /><br />I think what the quoted language is intended to mean is that if you, the patient, decide that you want to let go, the fact that we've installed a pacemaker won't prevent you from exercising your autonomy; if you ask us to, we'll turn it off.<br /><br />I have no moral objections to allowing people to make such decisions. I do, though, object to the death cult of people (like Kevorkian) who encourage people who are not dying to commit suicide, instead of helping them to deal with their depression, sorrows, defeats, etc.The Godfatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10575359417766667457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22519937928007148302014-01-30T17:02:07.559-06:002014-01-30T17:02:07.559-06:00One time, years ago, when my sister and I were bot...One time, years ago, when my sister and I were both home from school, we were driving my mom's car.<br /> I pulled the automatic garage door opener off the sun visor and said I'd heard these things will screw up a pacemaker. Then I said hey see that old guy on the sidewalk? Let's see if he has a pacemaker. And I pointed the thing at him.<br /> My sister screamed NOO! and grabbed it away from me.<br />I laughed at her and got called an asshole.Bob Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14217663230833386582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66254313662163625112014-01-30T16:58:45.541-06:002014-01-30T16:58:45.541-06:00I think that type of discussion is ethically corre...I think that type of discussion is ethically correct in some contexts but not others. If it is part of the initial explanation of pacemakers, fine. Beyond that, not fine- because inevitably some patients will feel that the doctor is specifically giving them this information as a hint.CStanleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467496850893922521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22287232110061821062014-01-30T16:48:35.906-06:002014-01-30T16:48:35.906-06:00The issue isn't whether people have the right....The issue isn't whether people have the right. The issue is whether it's appropriate for the NYT as the town crier for leftism to nudge the culture into thinking embracing death is the correct decision. <br /><br />One day it's your decision and it's inappropriate for anyone to interfere. Some day down the line you're selfish for making the decision differently than the culture thinks you should. It'll certainly be shocking if those nudges get stronger as that money spent keeping you alive could be otherwise be spent on a thousand federal employees. Shocking.testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478829894294731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44635437983030437102014-01-30T16:46:58.711-06:002014-01-30T16:46:58.711-06:00So should the rhythm giving heart electronics have...So should the rhythm giving heart electronics have a "sunset" date built in requiring a new decision to keep it on another year?<br /><br />And who has the scanner codes? Does the NSA or Putin have them on satellite Death Ships?<br /><br />No wonder the Death Panels are staffed with "Medical Ethicists."traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44975370103326804682014-01-30T16:36:29.615-06:002014-01-30T16:36:29.615-06:00Research has shown that doctors are wrong about ha...Research has shown that doctors are wrong about half the time about who is dying and when death is imminent. Research also shows that a healthy person's view of what he thinks he would be willing to live with is different than what sick people thinks they would be willing to live with--disabled people are happier than healthy people expect. It also turns out that with most people, the sicker they get, the more pain, physical limitations, etc. they are willing to accept. Quality of life is subjective and a doctor advising you to die because your qualify of life isn't good is most likely basing that advice on his own personal views on qualify of life. Unfortunately, a young doctor or a healthy doctor will probably have a different view on quality of life than a patient who is struggling with a serious health issue. The biggest concern is that you will be allowed to die, or encouraged to die, by a doctor whose quality of life views do not match your own.carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36327788952301191132014-01-30T16:36:04.470-06:002014-01-30T16:36:04.470-06:00Research has shown that doctors are wrong about ha...Research has shown that doctors are wrong about half the time about who is dying and when death is imminent. Research also shows that a healthy person's view of what he thinks he would be willing to live with is different than what sick people thinks they would be willing to live with--disabled people are happier than healthy people expect. It also turns out that with most people, the sicker they get, the more pain, physical limitations, etc. they are willing to accept. Quality of life is subjective and a doctor advising you to die because your qualify of life isn't good is most likely basing that advice on his own personal views on qualify of life. Unfortunately, a young doctor or a healthy doctor will probably have a different view on quality of life than a patient who is struggling with a serious health issue. The biggest concern is that you will be allowed to die, or encouraged to die, by a doctor whose quality of life views do not match your own.carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66266253015932574902014-01-30T16:02:17.472-06:002014-01-30T16:02:17.472-06:00Inga:
Read what I wrote again. Then discern the ...Inga:<br /><br />Read what I wrote again. Then discern the difference between my two comments in context. We agree in principle, but not in practice. Frankly, many of our differences arise in practice, in the actual details of implementation. I will only allude to the most controversial topic and leave the specifics for another thread.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87250843650243620612014-01-30T15:50:01.360-06:002014-01-30T15:50:01.360-06:00I have a veterinary patient with a pacemaker. I th...I have a veterinary patient with a pacemaker. I thought it was a little extreme but it was her owners' choice- and truthfully I'm glad they went for it because she's a lovely little dog.<br /><br />And she is little- about a 16 pound mixed breed. Which means that the device is implanted under her skin just above her sternum. It freaks people out when they don't know her medical history.CStanleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467496850893922521noreply@blogger.com