tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post593273774942826389..comments2024-03-28T13:36:05.167-05:00Comments on Althouse: "We are concerned that our brothers have been named publicly with reckless disregard in violation of their constitutional rights."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger195125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74030802647210194982016-12-19T11:22:19.651-06:002016-12-19T11:22:19.651-06:00Rick said...
Jupiter said...
if I saw several of m...Rick said...<br />Jupiter said...<br />if I saw several of my teammates committing gang rape, I would not get in line.<br /><br />"Since this didn't actually happen I'm not sure why people insist on discussing the issue with this as a predicate."<br /><br />Rick, whether gang rape occurred depends upon whether the woman consented to have sex with the gang. It is evident that a gang of men who rape a woman will claim she gave consent. The law should not accept that claim without very strong evidence. A couple of cops watching the first few minutes of a sex video is not even weak evidence.Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15848813853849099982016-12-18T18:31:30.874-06:002016-12-18T18:31:30.874-06:00Jupiter said...
if I saw several of my teammates c...<i>Jupiter said...<br />if I saw several of my teammates committing gang rape, I would not get in line.</i><br /><br />Since this didn't actually happen I'm not sure why people insist on discussing the issue with this as a predicate. If you start a sentence with "Since the moon is made of green cheese..." does it really matter what comes next?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09159859859522615418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89787236534782705522016-12-18T13:19:10.645-06:002016-12-18T13:19:10.645-06:00JAORE said...
"And, how would you like YOUR ...JAORE said...<br /><br />"And, how would you like YOUR records/transcript to say expelled or tossed from the team for sexual assault?"<br /><br />JAORE, I wouldn't. Which is why, if I saw several of my teammates committing gang rape, I would not get in line. "Me next!", is what I would not say. See how that works? Later, when everyone is sitting around discussing who was involved, your name doesn't come up! Cool that! For extra credit, you could even call one of the coaches whose job is keeping you out of trouble, and tell them what was going on. I kind of doubt that he would say, "Shit, Son! Time's a wastin'! Get in that line!". Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36019494014972795102016-12-18T13:05:39.216-06:002016-12-18T13:05:39.216-06:00It is long past time for universities to get out o...It is long past time for universities to get out of ALL organized sports.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04450897654318345683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24496157722661544902016-12-18T12:45:13.804-06:002016-12-18T12:45:13.804-06:00Douglas said...
"Prof. Suk at Harvard Law Sch...Douglas said...<br />"Prof. Suk at Harvard Law School has been making this point for some time - whatever the intentions of those favoring looser definitions of sexual assault and weaker due process for those accused, the result (more, and more unjust, convictions) is likely to be borne mostly by minority male students."<br /><br />Yeah, it does seem like "minority males" do have a kind of a tendency to commit gang rape. As Steve Sailer has documented, when it comes to gang rape, "football players" means blacks. Funny that, huh? It's almost like it's in their genes. <br /><br />But I would say there were some consequences for the young woman involved as well, unless you are one of the many commenters who assume that a woman who desires sex with two men must necessarily desire sex with all of their friends. Maybe someone should have had the "Derbyshire talk" with her. Like, when you are drunk and fucking two black guys, and a bunch of their friends show up and start pawing you, get your clothes on and get out of there, unless you want to fuck them all, on camera. Easier said than done, I imagine, getting dressed in a room full of rapists.Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20840511778337789562016-12-18T07:54:51.969-06:002016-12-18T07:54:51.969-06:00Suppose, as apparently the police determined, and ...Suppose, as apparently the police determined, and the woman (sort of) confirmed, the first two/few times were consensual. Further the video appears to show the woman in reasonable control of her facilities.<br /><br />Now, let's assume the video cuts off not at encounter number2, but (say) number 3 or 4. The woman is seen in apparent control. There is no video evidence of her objecting.<br /><br />Where do you go with this if the cops had pressed charges, or as the school makes a final determination.<br /><br />Well, gotta take them all down, because SOMETHING was really bad here. Include guys that did not have actual sexual contact with the woman. Isn't that like conviction everyone at a rape scene because they did not stop the crime?<br /><br />Punish all the active participants including the first, apparently consensual encounter because of events that followed. <br /><br />OR<br /><br />All the participants after #2, which is the line the woman sort of drew in testimony. But that would ignore the video in my scenario.<br /><br />OR<br /><br />Does the school, with naught to go on say, all those after the video stops..... Makes no sense.<br /><br />OR<br /><br />Let the law determine the outcome.<br /><br />I'd hate to make a young man's future depend on sorting THAT mess out.<br /><br />And for you that say it's only football, get a grip. Some of these guys planning on sports as a career either as a player or coach. And, how would you like YOUR records/transcript to say expelled or tossed from the team for sexual assault?JAOREhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819907966430540035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75890390836356542392016-12-18T07:31:07.020-06:002016-12-18T07:31:07.020-06:00What about a woman's "right to choose&quo...What about a woman's "right to choose" to have relations with multiple men in sequence? Does UM not recognize her rights?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11472630838852985357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57810191877249931892016-12-18T06:26:04.988-06:002016-12-18T06:26:04.988-06:00Mr. Begley, It's not illegal to have sex with ...Mr. Begley, It's not illegal to have sex with a drunk person. Indeed thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of drunk people have sex every day, including a lot of college students. Now maybe you are assuming from the fact that this woman had sex with ten men that she was too drunk to know what she was doing - that is the standard most states use (I don't know about Minnesota) for invalidating a woman's consent to sex. I think we would need to know more than just that, however. Was she passing out? Was she slurring her words? Was she vomiting? Those would be external indicia of the kind of extreme intoxication that invalidates consent. <br /><br />Now if you are suggesting that colleges should adopt a Victorian-like code of conduct that forbids men to take advantage of women who have had a couple of drinks - call it a "Code of Gentlemanly conduct" - that might have some merit, especially if you coupled it with a similar code for women forbidding them from drinking themselves silly in the company of men. Douglas B. Levenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07916420802096618688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56946670387606339012016-12-18T06:19:23.565-06:002016-12-18T06:19:23.565-06:00Prof. Suk at Harvard Law School has been making th...Prof. Suk at Harvard Law School has been making this point for some time - whatever the intentions of those favoring looser definitions of sexual assault and weaker due process for those accused, the result (more, and more unjust, convictions) is likely to be borne mostly by minority male students. Douglas B. Levenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07916420802096618688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3145288044394466802016-12-18T04:33:44.235-06:002016-12-18T04:33:44.235-06:00hey, David Begley, that is NOT what they are sayin...hey, David Begley, that is NOT what they are saying. They are saying we will not tolerate like sheep extra judicial kangaroo courts. sdharmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667962395368822004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10379185328846827162016-12-18T00:03:53.619-06:002016-12-18T00:03:53.619-06:00"She said her sexual contact with two men may...<i>"She said her sexual contact with two men may have been consensual [...]"</i><br /><br />"may have been"? How is that even possible? Isn't consent binary?<br /><br />Or is this a case of the Churchillesque "If a lady says no, she means maybe. If she says maybe, she means yes. If she says yes, she is no lady."<br /><br />(Churchillesque in both the sense that "it sounds like something Winston may have said", and "a quick search attributed the quote to five different people in the first page of hits".)mikeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110343851206077587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72572076719568478072016-12-17T23:04:40.584-06:002016-12-17T23:04:40.584-06:00David Begley said...This is about decency.
Your c...<i>David Begley said...This is about decency.</i><br /><br />Your concept of decency is patriarchal and insufficiently sex-positive, David. Stop slutshaming--slutshaming supports rape culture.HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38812185172829819102016-12-17T21:46:56.148-06:002016-12-17T21:46:56.148-06:00Is there anyone in this entire tale who has acted ...Is there anyone in this entire tale who has acted in a worthy or honorable way. Worse, the details aren't even salacious...........They say the past is a foreign country, but it's the present that throws me for a loop. I recognize that sexting is now part of the courtship ritual, but since when did group sex become a thing. It's good to see that the girl draws the line at more than two partners per session. I think men should respect a woman's wish to keep the numbers to manageable proportions. I suppose, also, that it's a good thing that the men involved record the encounter to forestall any future misunderstanding.........Nonetheless, the behavior of everyone involved is so remote from my field of reference that I find it difficult to pass judgment. It's like reading about the sex habits of sand worms. These people give decadence a bad name. Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44989327550980929972016-12-17T21:17:30.193-06:002016-12-17T21:17:30.193-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24241560952636431782016-12-17T20:54:32.480-06:002016-12-17T20:54:32.480-06:00They're only suspended from playing football, ...They're only suspended from playing football, right? Big deal. They should be whether the sex was consensual or not. You shouldn't get to represent your school on the field if you act so dishonorably. <br /><br />"Have never been more proud of our kids." <br /><br />Really, coach? Six of your guys run a train on a drunk girl, and you couldn't be prouder? No wonder your players act the way they do. You shouldn't be working with young men.<br /><br />Why is this even Title IX related? Why not just, you can't play because your conduct is an embarrassment to your school?Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50450095178773507002016-12-17T20:41:00.127-06:002016-12-17T20:41:00.127-06:00Hmm, scratch that, I seem to recall now that the o...Hmm, scratch that, I seem to recall now that the old man was in the CCC before his first hitch in the Army. So, I don't know where he was hiding.Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63784332756731419782016-12-17T20:38:14.314-06:002016-12-17T20:38:14.314-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43112899253987177072016-12-17T20:36:09.168-06:002016-12-17T20:36:09.168-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59391017543057915792016-12-17T20:30:26.673-06:002016-12-17T20:30:26.673-06:00When the 1940 census came out, I was excited to ex...When the 1940 census came out, I was excited to expand my genealogy. Also to lookup names of people from my childhood. One was the old lady that lived in the woods. She told us she came to Oregon on a covered wagon. Her family owned the land our home eventually built on, sold to a developer. Nothing. She wasn't in it.<br /><br />Then I looked up my dads name, nothing. I think that was a loser of a census, ha. But my dad was in the CCC back then after his Army hitch ended in '39. They finally drafted him again in '42 when they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, as he was 28, a vagabond, and an alcoholic by then.<br /><br />The one thing I did find, was the people in the Home for Unwed Mothers! They were called "inmates" on the census. Ow!Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61421885221747852922016-12-17T20:07:14.806-06:002016-12-17T20:07:14.806-06:00This fellow who is a cousin is very grateful to hi...This fellow who is a cousin is very grateful to his adoptive parents and did not begin to search for his birth mother until they had died.<br /><br />He had spent quite a bit on private detectives until "23 and me" came along with no results.<br /><br />I've wondered if we would ever hear from the other adoptee but so far nothing. He/she would be 75.Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68837684745069230802016-12-17T19:58:56.167-06:002016-12-17T19:58:56.167-06:00Michael K said...I wonder how many people are goin...Michael K said...<i>I wonder how many people are going to find out who they are from dna testing?</i><br /><br />My Aunt and Uncle couldn't have children, so three of my cousins are adopted from that very home. I think they had records though, because one of my cousins (the girl) found her birth mother, while my other cousins (the boys) didn't want to know.<br /><br />She said it wasn't very hard, although I'm sure they asked the birth mother first before giving her information.<br /><br />This was a very weird thing for my cousin, as she was married with two kids of her own, yet changed her last name legally to that of her birth mother. I guess it meant a lot to her, even though I thought she was very lucky to have my Aunt as a mother.<br /><br />I never asked my cousins husband how he felt about that, but I'm assuming he's good with it, as they are still married after 35 years :-)<br />Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22769453834865563952016-12-17T19:40:48.859-06:002016-12-17T19:40:48.859-06:00"my Aunt was a nurse in the Home for Unwed Mo..."my Aunt was a nurse in the Home for Unwed Mothers, and I had just got a job as a gardeners helper there. Most of the girls there were from middle class families."<br /><br />A cousin of mine, now dead, had a baby and put it up for adoption about 1940. It was a family secret scandal.<br /><br />Another family member did the same more recently., That son, now about 50 and successful, has spent years trying to trace his biological mother. My daughter has done the "23 and me" dna thing and gave me a test kit for Christmas last year, She got a contact request from someone who was a cousin with a 25% dna match. She called him, with some trepidation, and they met. She figured out who had to be his mother and, after about 6 months of dithering, called the mother and told her about him. They are now in touch and plan to meet.<br /><br />I wonder how many people are going to find out who they are from dna testing?Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35518057891803532782016-12-17T19:10:37.549-06:002016-12-17T19:10:37.549-06:00When my father gave me my sex talk, it took only o...When my father gave me my sex talk, it took only one sentence:<br /><br />"Don't have sex with any woman you wouldn't want to marry."<br /><br />That simple advice is all the sex education a boy needs to know. It has served me 50 years.<br /><br />Course, that was about the time of the sexual revolution. I don't think my father would have said anything, except my Aunt was a nurse in the <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5281419,-122.4962786,3a,52.8y,77.88h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP2AcODR5FWpxwZvMWKcs3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656" rel="nofollow">Home for Unwed Mothers</a>, and I had just got a job as a gardeners helper there. Most of the girls there were from middle class families. The rest, I assume, got a coat hanger.<br />Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50788008684745282352016-12-17T19:07:21.212-06:002016-12-17T19:07:21.212-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02463542962653770911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37672663873722603662016-12-17T18:12:56.170-06:002016-12-17T18:12:56.170-06:00It's hard to stop a train.It's hard to stop a train.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.com