tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5901034226271634930..comments2024-03-19T01:52:00.810-05:00Comments on Althouse: "[M]en, like women, are bound by stereotypes, perpetuated in society and legitimized by law..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7796724989507502662010-08-21T11:11:50.142-05:002010-08-21T11:11:50.142-05:00Woops, though I hinted it, I forgot to say that th...Woops, though I hinted it, I forgot to say that the way males can rightly punish females is by not having emotionally loving feelings for them. That's why some people can plausibly get confused and think males dominating is more of a marriage thing. A male has to be willing to emotionally love before he can punish by withholding such love, and with most males, they probably wouldn't be willing to feel emotional love with mere mistresses, so it's not like they can punish by withholding that. I think in males emotional love has real biological effects on genetic recombination that are beneficial to the female, and doesn't have to do with producing vanity, self-esteem, etc., like some feminists, etc., might say.Stephen A. Meigshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2998013224823619812010-08-21T10:48:53.989-05:002010-08-21T10:48:53.989-05:00Yeah, well, there is a sense in which marriage if ...Yeah, well, there is a sense in which marriage if it involves exclusive male sexual commitment is contrary to people behaving according to their own true natures as opposed to according to stereotype. But it's not particularly as any feminist I've heard of says. Males naturally want to have lots of sex with girls who are willing to take care of the children produced all or mostly by themselves, which sex males can't have if they can only have sex with one female or sex that necessitates male commitment of resources. Females, and more especially young females, tend to decide whom to love by copying other females, especially young females. But what is impressive, what scenester girls want and thus what a male needs to make the right impression and maintain popularity is not <i>per se</i> lots of girls sleeping with him, but lots of girls feeling and thinking for themselves sleeping with him. So if a male is the real deal, the sort girls naturally want, yeah he will be okay with girls coming to him from imitation. But if they don't become themselves and stop being conformists, ROARRRR!, he will attempt to punish them into obedience.<br /><br />A great male, seeing he deserves to attract with piety, naturally wants to be emotionally loving—holy and possessed of togetherness feeling—for girls he sleeps with. But if a girl <i>is</i> reprehensible in the sense in the sense that she resists being forced to be herself, let there be no false pity, it is right that she be punished into obedience. An exception, I'm inclined to think, would be the female one loves most. I guess somehow it seems appropriate that if the girl one loves most doesn't love one enough to be herself just to be nice to one, one doesn't deserve her true self (and pity gets a little closer to the compelling region with a girl one loves most).<br /><br />Anyway, when a female is behaving according to her own true nature instead of according to stereotypes, it's typically because a male has used (clean, appropriate, non-violent) force to make her so. Notwithstanding a monstrous vile depravity can and often is used by males to wrongly and immorally dominate girls, there is a kind of clean helpless feeling a girl can naturally enjoy, at least if it is associated with a male actually (cleanly) wanting her helpless (as opposed to his just wanting her to feel that way).Stephen A. Meigshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31653617939376734272010-08-20T23:59:22.053-05:002010-08-20T23:59:22.053-05:00Ritmo,
Things will take a while, as in never, to ...Ritmo, <br />Things will take a while, as in never, to straighten out. There are women not being fairly promoted and/or paid. There's a ton of BS over the Larry Summers remark, when it's actually true that men are in the very top tier of math ability (although statistically there would also be a few women). Women are judged much more harshly on their looks than men. Men are expected to kill the bunny that got mangled in the mower blades. Be careful out there. ;)jungathearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052796343893692840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5075277447700717662010-08-20T23:30:58.238-05:002010-08-20T23:30:58.238-05:00fls:
We'd have to look it up, but I'd gu...fls:<br /><br /><br />We'd have to look it up, but I'd guess it's pretty much a 30-30-30 split, depending on the type of show. But, anymore, I may be speaking too broadly. I'm mainly thinking of shows like 'Home Improvement' and 'Everyone Loves Raymond' and commercials like the one where the family walks into the hotel room with massive, noisy construction going on outside the window, and the wife says very sarcastically, 'Great job, Harry.' Stuff like that is quite prevalent. But I'm not much of a sit-com person, so I don't know how they are now. I'll bet there's a study about it.jungathearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052796343893692840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73443786080694176612010-08-20T23:13:58.054-05:002010-08-20T23:13:58.054-05:00So the next stage is to actually work out a balanc...<i>So the next stage is to actually work out a balance of equitable involvment with the children, so dad isn't this guy that disappears when he comes home, whild mom engages the kids. I know this is being solved in more and more families...</i><br /><br />You mean, like in my own for instance?<br /><br />The thing I always resented most after leaving my parents' home was to realize that no matter how much wimmin would talk about being treated well and getting guys to be a part of an equitable deal, these were issues that had to do more with their own upbringing and what they grew up not knowing how to expect than anything to do with the catch-all, homogenized concept called "society". <br /><br />Whenever I hear women talking about how hard "society" makes things for them, I think to myself, "Indeed. And that is why you will never play a significant role in shaping it."<br /><br />People see the world not as it is, but as <i>they</i> are.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36100358129014199062010-08-20T23:05:12.161-05:002010-08-20T23:05:12.161-05:00On the other hand, we have sit-coms and commercial...<i>On the other hand, we have sit-coms and commercials where men are constantly made to look like doofs, loosers, and incompetents. Haha, not.</i><br /><br />Who watches sitcoms?<br /><br />Women and children.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81542356011245750282010-08-20T22:47:54.333-05:002010-08-20T22:47:54.333-05:00r-v at 4:02 - good post.r-v at 4:02 - good post.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14308685873624846032010-08-20T21:50:27.700-05:002010-08-20T21:50:27.700-05:00Oh, how I wish I'd had a blog circa 1990!
I d...<i>Oh, how I wish I'd had a blog circa 1990!</i><br /><br />I don't think your photos would have looked quite so nice on the black-and-white Mac Classic that I had in 1990. (And there was that problem of my not having email until 1997. Would you have mailed your blog to your readers in those days? It would take weeks--and lots of stamps--for a typical Althouse comment thread to play out.)Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01433235586096305061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37621790719189652302010-08-20T20:42:53.085-05:002010-08-20T20:42:53.085-05:00The choice/biology dichotomy of homosexuality was ...The choice/biology dichotomy of homosexuality was pretty strong a long time ago. It depended on the day of the week as to which one must be defended at all costs by leftists.Skylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574746114813075566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77184883150931949452010-08-20T20:30:06.279-05:002010-08-20T20:30:06.279-05:00Ritmo,
"The problem with feminism, is that it...Ritmo,<br />"The problem with feminism, is that it promised humanism but focused on nurturing a gender war of a different flavor."<br /><br />At the beginning of the 'revolution,' some fights, such as equal pay for equal work did need to be played out.<br /><br />Currently, we still have the situation where women do the majority of housework and childcare after work.<br /><br />On the other hand, we have sit-coms and commercials where men are constantly made to look like doofs, loosers, and incompetents. Haha, not.<br /><br />So the next stage is to actually work out a balance of equitable involvment with the children, so dad isn't this guy that disappears when he comes home, whild mom engages the kids. I know this is being solved in more and more families, but it will take time.jungathearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052796343893692840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11271122402445657892010-08-20T19:33:44.797-05:002010-08-20T19:33:44.797-05:00So in some ways, I would argue that more freedom f...<i>So in some ways, I would argue that more freedom for everybody has resulted from the feminist movement.That said, I think there are troubling signs of too many men not exerting their will to take advantage of what is available for them. In the near future the question might be how do we encourage the men?</i><br /><br />Perhaps like the natives we so quickly wiped out, we are also becoming a matriarchal society. <br /><br />The problem with feminism, is that it promised humanism but focused on nurturing a gender war of a different flavor.<br /><br />Any gender-ism (or any other "ism") that isn't subordinate to an overarching humanism sows the seeds of its own irrelevance/demise.Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24534730019896632632010-08-20T19:28:13.761-05:002010-08-20T19:28:13.761-05:00and the undergraduate student body in some schools...<i>and the undergraduate student body in some schools is %60 women</i><br /><br />Do you think this would still be the case if schools and colleges placed less emphasis on rote memorization and more on critical thinking?Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27761029682067300312010-08-20T19:21:09.631-05:002010-08-20T19:21:09.631-05:00Oh, how I wish I'd had a blog circa 1990! And ...<i>Oh, how I wish I'd had a blog circa 1990! And I hope this post gives you a glimpse of why there is so much emotional energy behind my blogging.</i><br /><br />You mean, back in the days when taking a contrarian position might have actually been a reasonable thing to do?Ritmo Re-Animatedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15912086218531198114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90496689820637569902010-08-20T18:54:38.460-05:002010-08-20T18:54:38.460-05:00And the connection to a previous post (via Wikiped...And the connection to a previous post (via Wikipedia)<br /><br /><i>In February, 2008, Bly was named Minnesota's first poet laureate.</i>Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51189279546957686532010-08-20T18:02:24.234-05:002010-08-20T18:02:24.234-05:00I think everybody deals with discrimination of som...I think everybody deals with discrimination of some sort or other, for looks, personality, social skills, friendships, etc. <br /><br />The big lie about civil rights was that they would make life easy, but every white kid has heard the aphorism that life isn't fair. In spite, of all our laws and movements, there's a minimum of unfairness that will never go away, simply because we're human.<br /><br />I think we'd do better to promote more simple virtues for everybody, rather than polarizing ourselves and cultivating rancor.ASThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14591247136037620408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41013124311336265652010-08-20T17:19:48.439-05:002010-08-20T17:19:48.439-05:00Here, guys, maybe this will help.
The Man's P...Here, guys, maybe this will help.<br /><br />The Man's Prayer:<br /><br /><i>I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess.</i><br /><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Green_Showjungathearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052796343893692840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4282717214660001912010-08-20T17:16:08.298-05:002010-08-20T17:16:08.298-05:00This "pushback" aspect of this story rem...This "pushback" aspect of this story reminds me of years ago, when my sister was in a book group (she lived in DC at the time) and she suggested they read "A Return to Modesty." She said the reaction was violently against even considering it. Some were mad at her for even suggesting it.<br /><br /><br />[ I had major problems with that book, but it at least had a unique and unusual viewpoint re: feminism and sexuality]knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57180073141938059032010-08-20T16:08:32.326-05:002010-08-20T16:08:32.326-05:00A mere ten years ago a gay friend told me that gay...A mere ten years ago a gay friend told me that gay marriage was absurd. Marriage was for straights, and gay people weren't gay so that they could pretend to be straight. <br /><br />I should phone him now to see what he thinks. He hasn't spoken to me since he found out I voted for Bush in 2004.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35498964583574801042010-08-20T16:07:42.338-05:002010-08-20T16:07:42.338-05:00>>That said, I think there are troubling sig...>>That said, I think there are troubling signs of too many men not exerting their will to take advantage of what is available for them. <br />THIS.<br />>> In the *present* the question might be how do we encourage the men?<br />FIXED.<br /><br />(srry 4 my 4chan-izms)q12345q6789https://www.blogger.com/profile/05153852362572869394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35064205139282836362010-08-20T16:02:27.342-05:002010-08-20T16:02:27.342-05:00I agree with Ann Althouse that we all share burden...I agree with Ann Althouse that we all share burdens in our various gender roles, but individual freedoms have been struggled for and not simply given--say the right to vote for example, or the right to attend a university, or on a more ordinary level my wife's demand that I wash the dishes more often because we both work full-time .So yes I think early feminism had a certain militancy to it, and Robert Bly was one reaction to support men's identity. Today it seems to me feminist still concentrate on promoting more opportunity for women by creating awareness of imbalances in say the STEM classes, and as a result the medical profession now has about %50 women enrolled, and the undergraduate student body in some schools is %60 women. But these efforts seem less shrill than the Sixties. Now has this feminist action limited my freedom, or the new male students enrolled in the STEM classes? I am not sure, but I do know women seem to enjoy the new job prospects, and the freedom to marry for reasons other economic security as they can provide for themselves. I know more men who take leaves of absence to care for newborns. I know a woman solider in Iraq who loves her job. So in some ways, I would argue that more freedom for everybody has resulted from the feminist movement.That said, I think there are troubling signs of too many men not exerting their will to take advantage of what is available for them. In the near future the question might be how do we encourage the men?roesch-voltairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802616989806761662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63533985263040972362010-08-20T15:36:18.068-05:002010-08-20T15:36:18.068-05:00"In fact all Feminists are academic Snookies ...<i>"In fact all Feminists are academic Snookies from the Jersey Shore.<br />Arrogant, opinionated and stupid. Just not tanned.</i>"<br /><br />Damn, Trooper; best thing I've read in a week.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37309446389039797632010-08-20T15:19:04.320-05:002010-08-20T15:19:04.320-05:00I've never watched the "man show." ...I've never watched the "man show." It looked far too stupid just from the name alone. <br /><br />wv: milph, mothers I'd like to phone homeSkylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574746114813075566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55006764156451114922010-08-20T15:10:09.271-05:002010-08-20T15:10:09.271-05:00RE: above post: "Man Show": I even think...RE: above post: "Man Show": I even think it would have been better if they had just named it: "Jimmy and Adam's A**Holes Show". At least that way, the broad brush wouldn't have gotten used.q12345q6789https://www.blogger.com/profile/05153852362572869394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61388419164842964392010-08-20T15:07:50.219-05:002010-08-20T15:07:50.219-05:00You can learn everything you need to know about Am...You can learn everything you need to know about America and our Society from reality TV.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14347916063499688582010-08-20T15:06:35.063-05:002010-08-20T15:06:35.063-05:00In fact all Feminists are academic Snookies from t...In fact all Feminists are academic Snookies from the Jersey Shore.<br /><br />Arrogant, opinionated and stupid. Just not tanned.<br /><br />Last night Snookie said:<br />“Men are all douche bags. They are just horrible. I hate them. They are why lesbianism is on the rise in America today!”<br /><br />Catharine MacKinnon couldn’t said it any better!Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.com