tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5875289741199815524..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: "My Christian faith then has been a sustaining force for me over these last few years."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51325997968515590552011-02-05T05:32:09.513-06:002011-02-05T05:32:09.513-06:00What sustained him prior to the "last few yea...What sustained him prior to the "last few years?" What will sustain him in the future? Say, next week?Paul Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02905961019293417243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75143070827141924622011-02-04T13:37:19.302-06:002011-02-04T13:37:19.302-06:00The readings and the Gospel this week were all abo...The readings and the Gospel this week were all about humility. How the meek would inherit the earth. How the last shall be first and the first shall be last.<br /><br />Humility is an elusive thing. The people who get the highest prizes in life often cannot step back and find a little humility in their souls.<br /><br />I bow to no one in my oppisition to this President and all his works, but I think we can find a little humility and hope that he can some peace and solace in his realtionship with God.....whether it is his God or the God the rest of us worship.<br /><br />I hope he can find some help there for both him and his family.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19422520757228369192011-02-04T13:31:54.985-06:002011-02-04T13:31:54.985-06:00The term "our God" implies the existence...<i>The term "our God" implies the existence of many gods and that they chose one to follow which might be different from "your God."</i><br /><br />That's not what I hear. I don't hear plural, I hear, someone who like myself (a Christian) and someone who is still defining his God - what that is, what it means and how it fits into his life.kjbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02205930548533839170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85265790084174894752011-02-04T13:09:52.913-06:002011-02-04T13:09:52.913-06:00"Our God" shows up about 208 times in th...<i>"Our God" shows up about 208 times in the NIV translation</i><br /><br />Sure, but if you look at that list you'll see that all of the occurrences are in the Old Testament. "Our god" suggests the existence of either (a) other gods or (b) people with whom God is not concerned. Which was the old Jewish viewpoint, of course.<br /><br />When it IS used by Christians it is generally used in the sense of "we = humanity" -- "our God" meaning "humanity's God", not "the God of my wife and I".Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32895851757215175522011-02-04T12:58:57.424-06:002011-02-04T12:58:57.424-06:00The King James Bible and the New International are...The King James Bible and the New International are obscure in Christianity. Got it.Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55079401056441145302011-02-04T12:57:33.554-06:002011-02-04T12:57:33.554-06:00A Mighty Fortress is Martin Luther's God, at l...A Mighty Fortress is Martin Luther's God, at least in English.<br /><br /><i>the rest of the South calls it<br /></i>Coc-cola, where the Yankees haven't swarmed in.<br /> <br />Pop is your father.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57384633318760868332011-02-04T12:52:13.730-06:002011-02-04T12:52:13.730-06:00Revenant, my goal was to show that the phrase &quo...<i>Revenant, my goal was to show that the phrase "our God" is not uncommon in Christian usage.</i><br /><br />That's my point. You've got an example from 140 years ago, another example from a song from 25 years ago, and a third example from an obscure modern preacher. That actually conveys the impression that the usage IS uncommon.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75372604308144650992011-02-04T12:25:52.154-06:002011-02-04T12:25:52.154-06:00Remember when it was a sign of coming Theocracy if...Remember when it was a sign of coming Theocracy if the President ever talked about religion, let alone "reliance on God"?<br /><br />Yeah, that was funny, wasn't it?Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23546472806756175852011-02-04T11:37:41.892-06:002011-02-04T11:37:41.892-06:00Sure "our God" is not that uncommon but ...Sure "our God" is not that uncommon but he's talking about he and Michelle's God, in a way that is not common.<br /><br />Its not a definitive call but in view of his overall religious resume, not an reasonable one.<br /><br />My read is he's not that familiar with the way Christians normally talk, not that he's talking with the OT or Jesus in mind.SteveRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12864387606863466980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63984505894540913932011-02-04T11:28:40.435-06:002011-02-04T11:28:40.435-06:00"Our God" is an okay phrase. I still sa..."Our God" is an okay phrase. I still say the speech was "off key".<br /><br />The temptation to "play to the audience" at the National Prayer Breakfast has to be overwhelming. In doing so, one will likely come off sounding...<br /><br />"off key".<br /><br />But again, the quality of his faith is between he and God. I've certainly heard some deeply faithful individuals describe their relationship with God poorly. I mean they're<br /><i>just words</i>Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41650049761585192562011-02-04T11:10:56.388-06:002011-02-04T11:10:56.388-06:00In Charlotte, they call it all Coke.
At least t...In Charlotte, they call it all Coke. <br /><br />At least that's what I hear the rest of the South call's it.Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25843992711576489202011-02-04T11:01:35.642-06:002011-02-04T11:01:35.642-06:00Now if he starts talking about "soda", h...<i>Now if he starts talking about "soda", he's an apostate usurper space alien. All Real Americans know it's pop.</i><br /><br />The hell you say.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72123990951302942902011-02-04T10:53:18.777-06:002011-02-04T10:53:18.777-06:00Now if he starts talking about "soda", h...Now if he starts talking about "soda", he's an apostate usurper space alien. All Real Americans know it's <i>pop</i>.Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21202976985060844512011-02-04T10:43:45.176-06:002011-02-04T10:43:45.176-06:00Martin is right. "Our God" shows up abo...Martin is right. "Our God" shows up <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=%22our%20god%22&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no&startnumber=201&startnumber=101&startnumber=1%22" rel="nofollow">about 208 times</a> in the NIV translation, which is the most popular translation for Evangelicals. <br /><br />Most are in the OT, with a key one being the Shema, which is translated in the NIV as "The Lord our God, the Lord is one." <br /><br />Which Jesus quotes in the Gospels. <br /><br />There's also really key examples in Revelation, where it is used in phrases of heavenly worship. <br /><br />Meaning, it's a perfectly okay phrase to use and I've heard it used, like Martin, in many other settings. Indeed, it might even denote a familiarity with Scripture rather than the opposite, as we tend to pepper our speech with phrases we pick up elsewhere.Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54528288789382899942011-02-04T10:34:08.489-06:002011-02-04T10:34:08.489-06:00"(New International uses basically the same w..."(New International uses basically the same words, as I recall.)"<br /><br />Martin is right. "Our God" isn't uncommon. While not exactly the same, the Lord's prayer starts off with "Our Father, who is in heaven."<br /><br />Then, there's the shema, which is translated in the NIV (the most popular translation these days for Evangelicals) as "The Lord our God, the Lord is one". <br /><br />Indeed, there's about <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=%22our%20god%22&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no&startnumber=201&startnumber=101&startnumber=1" rel="nofollow">208 uses of the phrase "our God"</a> in the NIV translation. Most in the OT, but some good examples in the NT as well.Paddy Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442537362540160512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32638232663656272862011-02-04T10:16:29.424-06:002011-02-04T10:16:29.424-06:00Revenant, my goal was to show that the phrase &quo...Revenant, my goal was to show that the phrase "our God" is not uncommon in Christian usage. If you think I failed at that, you're going to have to be more specific. I kind of think the King James Bible seals my case. (New International uses basically the same words, as I recall.)<br /><br />I have no interest in making President Obama sound better. As should be obvious from my first comment, all I think he's doing here is praying for votes.Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43084509833821247042011-02-04T10:09:19.096-06:002011-02-04T10:09:19.096-06:00Martin... if your goal was to make Obama sound bet...Martin... if your goal was to make Obama sound better, you might want to hunt for some better examples.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47264147938005317742011-02-04T10:07:13.284-06:002011-02-04T10:07:13.284-06:00So, he clings to his religion, is a bit bitter, an...So, he clings to his religion, is a bit bitter, and also is willing to bring a gun to a knife fight. He should move to western Pennsylvania when he's no longer employed.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54459203391262253012011-02-04T09:40:21.980-06:002011-02-04T09:40:21.980-06:00Nope, no Christian would ever say "our God&qu...Nope, no Christian would ever say "our God"...<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_God" rel="nofollow">Nope...</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20110202/francis-chan-prayers-make-christians-different-our-god-listens/email.html" rel="nofollow">Nope...</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.gracegems.org/WINSLOW/Our%20God.htm" rel="nofollow">Nope...</a><br /><br />I could list many more "nopes", but Blogger would flag that many links as spam. You'll have to do your own Googling if you don't believe me.<br /><br />Oh, that last "nope" is particularly quotable:<br /><br /><i>For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.</i> Psalm 48:14 (King James Version)<br /><br />I guess now the King James Bible is an Islamic plot...Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81168960578230214902011-02-04T09:29:40.171-06:002011-02-04T09:29:40.171-06:00Oh, man... Campaign season already?Oh, man... Campaign season already?Martin L. Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02554126977342152497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87689861901399938602011-02-04T09:25:14.770-06:002011-02-04T09:25:14.770-06:00I'll have to provide a small correction:
* He...I'll have to provide a small correction:<br /><br /><em>* He was raised a Muslim by his Islamic father</em><br /><br />He was raised a Muslim by his Islamic <em>step-father</em><br /><br />Obama's father deserted him, after impregnating his 17 year-old mother. <br /><br />Obama's father was a polygamist and a drunk, which I don't necessarily hold against the man. You can't blame a man for the circumstances of his birth.<br /><br />But, let's be accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35942887583290656632011-02-04T09:18:58.546-06:002011-02-04T09:18:58.546-06:00"I don’t understand the uproar regarding his ...<i>"I don’t understand the uproar regarding his use of the phrase, “our god”."</i><br /><br />The term "our God" implies the existence of many gods and that they chose one to follow which might be different from "your God."<br /><br />If one was Islamic, then the phrase "our God" would make sense.<br /><br />A Christian would never suggest the presence of many gods from which one could choose.<br /><br />A Christian would just say: "God." <br />Not "our god."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83808149960710775992011-02-04T09:14:25.287-06:002011-02-04T09:14:25.287-06:00"Who knows what goes on in the man's hear...<i>"Who knows what goes on in the man's heart? I'm not going to pretend I know."</i><br /><br />Nobody can possibly know. But we do know this:<br /><br />* The President and the state of Hawaii are refusing to release his long-form birth certificiate to prove his citizenship.<br /><br />* He requires that people not use his given Christian name.<br /><br />* He was raised a Muslim by his Islamic father.<br /><br />* In Indonesia, a Muslim country.<br /><br />* He requires that people call him by a Muslim name he chose.<br /><br />The question really isn't whether Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim or a Christian ... the question is why does this Christian require people to call him Hussein?<br /><br />That's kind of abnormal behavior, isn't it?<br /><br />Doesn't matter really. Barack Obama also claimed he was against the individual mandate and that was a lie too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26009210159038476582011-02-04T08:59:25.560-06:002011-02-04T08:59:25.560-06:00I don’t understand the uproar regarding his use of...I don’t understand the uproar regarding his use of the phrase, “our God”. My own faith practice allows myself and everyone else to define their God in their own way or of their own understanding. It is certainly my belief that I don’t define yours, nor you, mine. Whether it’s a belief in the same single entity for all or a higher power defined on a more individual scale, it seems to me that there is room for both.kjbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02205930548533839170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36835429418325702792011-02-04T08:51:21.170-06:002011-02-04T08:51:21.170-06:00Whether or not he's a Christian doesn't re...Whether or not he's a Christian doesn't really matter. What matters is that he has a PC-based grudge against western countries. That's been clear from almost the beginning. The Churchill bust. The Apology Tour. The Saudi Bow. And Michelle made it clear with her "the first time I've been proud of my country" comment.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.com