tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5657134861767440788..comments2024-03-28T07:29:56.201-05:00Comments on Althouse: Gallup finds — for the first time — that a majority of Americans favor gay marriage.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71636427874823788002011-05-22T10:18:55.905-05:002011-05-22T10:18:55.905-05:00Michael. There is no such thing as 'gay marri...Michael. There is no such thing as 'gay marriage'.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05652227699197953483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90803853869921401782011-05-21T23:03:56.841-05:002011-05-21T23:03:56.841-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89852603611375801432011-05-21T09:32:41.613-05:002011-05-21T09:32:41.613-05:00Aww, poor Michael is sad again. Of course I have g...Aww, poor Michael is sad again. Of course I have gay friends, you idiot. Fortunately, they are mostly from MA where the "gay marriage" charade came to fruition years ago (by dint of Judicial fiat per LGBT activist Margaret Marshall) so they're well aware of how stupid I feel the whole thing is. A few even agree with me.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31418270447704859872011-05-21T09:05:47.737-05:002011-05-21T09:05:47.737-05:00Lincolntf, you are a giant, moronic piece of shit,...Lincolntf, you are a giant, moronic piece of shit, who is incapable of backing up any of your stances with good reason.<br /><br />Obviously, you don't know anyone who's gay. Are you intolerant and, seemingly, completely uneducated? Yes. There's no reason to be against gay marriage. Fucking prick.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04080336901124818310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29769063310234374032011-05-21T08:18:51.152-05:002011-05-21T08:18:51.152-05:00Gotta love the "if you're a real conserva...Gotta love the "if you're a real conservative..." bullshit. Is Bernie Sanders a real conservative? Harry Reid? John F. Kerry? They all share your views, so they must be. <br />Idjit.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33256851620824041202011-05-21T04:10:51.247-05:002011-05-21T04:10:51.247-05:00More representative that we don't value the un...More representative that we don't value the underlying public policy that individuals should be raised by their mother and father in a healthy relationship. It happens. <br /><br />BTW in British Columbia, Canada individuals from sperm donors are getting more rights to their family tree. <br /><br />The way the issue of gay marriage is framed, asks what I think of gay people, marriage between a man and a woman addresses a completely different issue, because a man can get a woman pregnant. <br /><br />Unfortunate, we can no longer see that.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53394053054358300872011-05-21T01:08:22.476-05:002011-05-21T01:08:22.476-05:00What is the rational, governmental interest in gra...<i>What is the rational, governmental interest in granting homosexuals special status as a "class"?</i><br /><br /><br />What special status? All we're asking is that the government cease discriminating against people for no valid reason. If you're a real conservative you should understand that. On the other hand, if you're just another nanny-stater in disguise, you'll come up with any excuse to prop up the arbitrary government decisions that you personally like.Blue@9https://www.blogger.com/profile/16371286571496793710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27280965297725361502011-05-20T21:48:02.832-05:002011-05-20T21:48:02.832-05:00Yeah palladian, not pretending that boys are girls...Yeah palladian, not pretending that boys are girls will be the death of us all. Dimwit.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81328926268213207252011-05-20T18:55:08.416-05:002011-05-20T18:55:08.416-05:00Oh you wacky pretend conservatives, still arguing ...Oh you wacky pretend conservatives, still arguing about this, still intent on using big government to prop up your failed social engineering model, still relying big government and taxes to pay for your funny little religious institutions.<br /><br />There is only one solution to the gay marriage "problem": The government needs to get out of the marriage business completely. The State has no right to sanction (both the positive and negative sense of the word) what should be an entirely private, religious and/or romantic institution. That way, churches or institutions that wish to marry two men or two women can do so, and those that don't wish to marry two men or two women or otherwise, don't have to. If people want to make it all legal-like, they can enter into some sort of legal contract with each other.<br /><br />Why do so-called conservatives and so-called liberals not see that this is the best way to protect their institutions, by not allowing the government to define them at all? If the supposedly ancient, sacred, and holy union of heterosexual matrimony is as all-powerful and important as people claim it is, then it will survive fine without the State propping it up and attempting to define it.<br /><br />I personally don't like the government engineering society, or meddling in religious matters, or telling me what I can and can't do with another consenting adult. It's amusing that so-called conservatives become just like so-called liberals on this issue.Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57218590158196974022011-05-20T18:38:24.285-05:002011-05-20T18:38:24.285-05:00I thought about it. Gay marriage is still wrong.I thought about it. Gay marriage is still wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61535705005916389212011-05-20T18:10:30.567-05:002011-05-20T18:10:30.567-05:00We're all going to hell tomorrow because God i...We're all going to hell tomorrow because God is mad at the gay people.<br /><br />Incidentally the family radio audio stream seems to be running its usual lineup. You'd think there'd be something special for the end of the world.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44443445229654948502011-05-20T17:08:21.269-05:002011-05-20T17:08:21.269-05:00William wrote:
I'm willing to let the mills of...William wrote:<br /><i>I'm willing to let the mills of democracy grind out these issues.</i><br /><br />That's much fairer than Althouse, who has pretty consistently allied herself with the adjucation of the issue if not outright judicial intervention in support of same-sex marriage.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9005667814944030852011-05-20T16:56:33.607-05:002011-05-20T16:56:33.607-05:00McCullough,
I object to the misuse of the languag...McCullough,<br /><br />I object to the misuse of the language. Using the word 'marriage' to describe a relationship which is entirely something else is like using the name 'martini' to describe a concoction made with orange soda and Thunderbird. You are lying. That is all.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05652227699197953483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8103141639528795802011-05-20T16:35:54.665-05:002011-05-20T16:35:54.665-05:00Chickenlittle,
I agree with your remarks about AI...Chickenlittle,<br /><br />I agree with your remarks about AIDs research. Certainly gay male sex was a huge part of the spread of AIDs. Poor diet, lack of exercise, and smoking is a huge part of the increase in heart disease. <br /><br />I don't think the government should put much money into finding cures for preventable diseases. And I don't think it should be spending taxpayer money to prolong the lives of senior citizens either. But none of this has to do with gay marriage. There will be pre-marital and extra-marital sex no matter what.mcculloughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168402889404727565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7461932316721969592011-05-20T16:35:18.171-05:002011-05-20T16:35:18.171-05:00@Brent: You completely misread my statement. I d...@Brent: You completely misread my statement. I don't pass any judgement, pro or con, on gay marriage, divorce, or polygamy. I merely state that marriage is a social construct. Its parameters are not fixed by God but by society. If a majority of people (not a majority of Supreme Court Justices) believe in gay marriage, no fault divorce, polygamy or whatever, my faith in democracy is such that I will go along with the will of the people......I don't know any revealed truths on these subjects. Perhaps divorce should be made more difficult. Perhaps community property laws are unfair to wealthy men. Perhaps gays should be allowed to marry. I'm willing to let the mills of democracy grind out these issues.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837540030934495651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73457478652651134552011-05-20T16:32:16.023-05:002011-05-20T16:32:16.023-05:00that should read:
So I'd rephrase the questio...that should read:<br /><br />So I'd rephrase the question:<br />Can anyone give a reason why marriage should <b>state</b> sanctioned?Phil 314https://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81448291584770201662011-05-20T16:29:54.263-05:002011-05-20T16:29:54.263-05:00What is the rational, governmental interest in gra...What is the rational, governmental interest in granting homosexuals special status as a "class"?Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16865147606505911972011-05-20T16:24:57.374-05:002011-05-20T16:24:57.374-05:00The problem with gay "marriage" is the a...<i>The problem with gay "marriage" is the attempt to co-opt a term with religious/historical meaning. If gay people want to partner up, why is not a civil partnership agreement of some sort, with the state honoring that agreement, sufficient?</i><br /><br />If those rights and benefits are congruent with those of regular marriage, sure.<br /><br /><br />I don't see why people are so up in arms about "protecting marriage" from the gays in the first place though. Marriage is not just a religious institution--it's certainly been found in every culture since recorded history. <br /><br />There is religious marriage and then there's civil marriage. Getting married in church is entirely different from signing the paper at the county clerk's office. It's been that way since forever, but now that the gays want to get the civil, secular kind, it's somehow a threat to religious notions of marriage? Since when?<br /><br />If someone could articulate for me a rational, secular reason for saying "straights yes, gays no," I'm all ears. The economics argument (it means we have to pay more SSI!) might fly, but logically you'd eliminate all marriage if that were compelling.<br /><br />What is the rational, governmental interest in denying gays marriage license? (you know, one that doesn't apply to heteros?)Blue@9https://www.blogger.com/profile/16371286571496793710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38186674647406888942011-05-20T16:16:58.221-05:002011-05-20T16:16:58.221-05:00Are gays asking you to pay their mortgage, pay for...<i>Are gays asking you to pay their mortgage, pay for their kid's school lunch, healthcare, etc.?<br /><br />Well yes, sort of.</i><br /><br />I would also point out that there were real societal costs to fight the scourge of AIDs and HIV. For example, funding for research increased dramatically for those afflicted beginning under Clinton: <a href="http://clinton2.nara.gov/ONAP/accomp.html#DramaticallyIncreasingAIDSFunding" rel="nofollow">link</a>. I recall a time when it would have been a shoe-in to get any chemistry research grant funded which promised to cure AIDs using energy efficient buckeyballs (or some combination thereof). That's a lot of cancer and heart disease prevention untreated. <br /><br />I am not begrudging the costs at all, and perhaps gay marriage will prevent some of the afore-mentioned costs. I mean, that's now water under the bridge. But just don't pretend (and using your pathetic "breeder-hostile" rhetoric) that the gay revolution didn't have real, widespread monetary and societal costs for everyone.chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55301303271304816792011-05-20T15:56:52.042-05:002011-05-20T15:56:52.042-05:00Lincolntf,
How does Johnny marrying Joey affect y...Lincolntf,<br /><br />How does Johnny marrying Joey affect you? It seems to be an affront to your notion of the traditional and sacred institution of marriage. Get over it. <br /><br /> I'm all for getting rid of the other social bullshit, as well. But Johnny and Joey aren't in my pocket and they're not in your anus or your church. So give it up. Quit telling people who they can marry. No one tells you whether you can get married. <br /><br />And social conservatives are among the biggest recipients of welfare. Look at the per capita welfare benefits of Alaska and Wyoming. Social conservatives, as a group, are welfare queens. <br /><br />When you look at the economic prosperity of social conservatives as a group in the U.S., or the lack of it, you have to wonder why they cling to their silly notions.mcculloughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168402889404727565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81790695728096156422011-05-20T15:48:28.704-05:002011-05-20T15:48:28.704-05:00I'm not the one telling people how to live, yo...I'm not the one telling people how to live, you are. I don't care what anyone does in their bedroom, but to conflate what they do with one of the longest standing institutions in history is absurd. The fact that the issue (always couched in pathetic Civil Rights language) is relentlessly pushed by the same dishonest and manipulative worms who force all the other reality-denying social bullshit onto the country is what annoys me. I don't give a fuck if Johnny does Joey, so don't legislate that I have to.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48543181683243254292011-05-20T15:32:34.815-05:002011-05-20T15:32:34.815-05:00No Lincolntf, I just don't tell other people ...No Lincolntf, I just don't tell other people how to live their life when it has absolutely no effect on me. <br /><br />You're weak. People who aren't afraid of other people have no desire to tell them how to fuck or marry or what to do with their lives. You're scared of other people. Just stay in mansard, Nancy.mcculloughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168402889404727565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27272523803249684972011-05-20T15:23:23.140-05:002011-05-20T15:23:23.140-05:00"Are gays asking you to pay their mortgage, p..."Are gays asking you to pay their mortgage, pay for their kid's school lunch, healthcare, etc.?"<br /><br />Well yes, sort of. There are real consequences to this: SSI spousal benefits is one obvious example. It would certainly become the law that any business which offered spousal benefits would have to offer them to all employees who qualify via marriage. Many businesses already offer this, but a change in marriage law would require it of all of them.<br /><br />It is more than hurt feelings which is driving this and anyone who understands the issue knows this.dbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457585811847604584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48382837360615152532011-05-20T15:21:58.102-05:002011-05-20T15:21:58.102-05:00mccullough, you're a nanny state enabler who w...mccullough, you're a nanny state enabler who wants to rewrite the dictionary (and all of human history) in order to make the widdle kiddos feel good about themselves.Lincolntfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620264736967842427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76459827621324263002011-05-20T15:15:48.720-05:002011-05-20T15:15:48.720-05:00Marriage was around long before the state was, so ...Marriage was around long before the state was, so the state should stay the heck out of it. <br /><br />The problem with gay "marriage" is the attempt to co-opt a term with religious/historical meaning. If gay people want to partner up, why is not a civil partnership agreement of some sort, with the state honoring that agreement, sufficient? Why do they need the WORD "marriage"? That seems to be the problem.<br /><br />Isn't that exactly what happened in Vermont - they received rights, but not the WORD. Thus, they weren't able to bug the religious types with misuse of the word, so they weren't happy. <br /><br />wv (I kid you not): contort. This is exactly what the gay lobby is trying to do with the term "marriage."TEOTWAWKIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852766615774962616noreply@blogger.com