tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5572478596679828531..comments2024-03-29T07:24:06.029-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Today Is Fitzmas for Mickey Kaus."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86622295228471966672008-07-24T12:56:00.000-05:002008-07-24T12:56:00.000-05:00gee....i wonder if hillary is thinking, "typical! ...gee....<BR/><BR/>i wonder if hillary is thinking, "typical! now i know why that cheater did not want to endorse me."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71948281129541511402008-07-24T07:25:00.000-05:002008-07-24T07:25:00.000-05:00And thanks to you too.And thanks to you too.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91504996623723526412008-07-24T01:02:00.000-05:002008-07-24T01:02:00.000-05:00Yes, thanks, Althouse.And thanks, reader_iam; that...Yes, thanks, Althouse.<BR/><BR/>And thanks, reader_iam; that would be a great day - arguing including.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27026268553434818772008-07-24T00:44:00.000-05:002008-07-24T00:44:00.000-05:00She makes me laugh, and then know that I could dis...She makes me laugh, and then know that I could disagree heartily with her, even with occasional hard feeling, in person. And then we could go make soup, or fix some broken item, or some sort of project, and then go hear some music or see art. And then argue over stuff again. And then sincerely hug, in parting, to go off into our own different, lives, even if we never crossed paths again.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, that's what I like about Beth, and a small (yet strikingly diverse) handful of other (different) people I've encountered at Althouse, over time.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Althouse.reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91615364042623667282008-07-24T00:35:00.000-05:002008-07-24T00:35:00.000-05:00Why I love Beth, in a nutshell ... .Why I love Beth, in a nutshell ... .reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41375141299583827982008-07-24T00:04:00.000-05:002008-07-24T00:04:00.000-05:00madisonman, Now I can't stop thinking of that sill...madisonman, <BR/><BR/>Now I can't stop thinking of that silly joke -- guy gets to hell, and Satan takes him on a tour to choose which room he'll inhabit for his eternity of suffering. <BR/><BR/>Satan opens the door to the first room and there are a bunch of people, standing in shit up to their necks. Guy says "oh but no; show me another room!"<BR/><BR/>Satan takes him to door number two, and it opens onto a roomful of folks standing in shit up to their nostrils. "Oh, please me show me another!"<BR/><BR/>Satan leads him to the door of the third room where he sees a group of people standing in shit up to the knees, drinking coffee and eating pastries. "This is the one! I'll take it." Satan nods and ushers him in the door. As he turns to leave, Satan yells out, "Coffee break's over! Everyone back on your heads!"Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14163337992773734112008-07-23T15:15:00.000-05:002008-07-23T15:15:00.000-05:00Craig held himself up for ridicule by his implausi...<I>Craig held himself up for ridicule by his implausible denials.</I><BR/><BR/>I dunno. Hiding in the toilet after sex seems just as ridiculous as flirting in one to find sex.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58297489026669759382008-07-23T15:10:00.000-05:002008-07-23T15:10:00.000-05:00How come a politician's mistress is usually unattr...<I>How come a politician's mistress is usually unattractive?</I><BR/><BR/>Because attractive women can do better. Boinking a politician is about a half-step up from boinking a door-to-door salesman.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80137500437065251122008-07-23T15:07:00.000-05:002008-07-23T15:07:00.000-05:00you're in the Gingrich WingIt is a bit of a stretc...<I>you're in the Gingrich Wing</I><BR/><BR/>It is a bit of a stretch to say that Gingrich cheated on a dying woman, considering that they separated eight years ago and she's still alive.<BR/><BR/>But personally I don't see how cheating on a dying spouse is any worse than cheating on a young and healthy spouse. It is "in sickness <B>and in health</B>", you know.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91319638175493544512008-07-23T14:26:00.000-05:002008-07-23T14:26:00.000-05:00Yeah, I can see how John Edwards would talk about ...Yeah, I can see how John Edwards would talk about two Americas, too bad he didn't mention his two families.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74789992916210394972008-07-23T14:22:00.000-05:002008-07-23T14:22:00.000-05:00Hi Pogo -I disagree with the comparison. Craig he...Hi Pogo -<BR/>I disagree with the comparison. Craig held himself up for ridicule by his implausible denials. <BR/><BR/>Edwards may yet elevate himself to a Craig level, but he hasn't done so yet.BillHallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16607593578754397224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22516974939044821802008-07-23T13:20:00.000-05:002008-07-23T13:20:00.000-05:00BillHall,I suppose you were equally outraged by th...BillHall,<BR/>I suppose you were equally outraged by the comedy resulting from Larry Craig's escapades?<BR/><BR/>It's the job of the citizenry to point out when sanctimonious pricks like Edwards get caught with their pants down. It helops keep the government kudzu down a bit.<BR/><BR/>There are two Americas, those that cheat on their dying wives, and those that don't.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32500773340441725712008-07-23T12:45:00.000-05:002008-07-23T12:45:00.000-05:00My my. No residents of glass houses here, eh my f...My my. No residents of glass houses here, eh my fellow commentators? What a spotless group. And I'm sure that there are no plank filled eyes either. Obviously.BillHallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16607593578754397224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18178954550991260692008-07-23T11:12:00.000-05:002008-07-23T11:12:00.000-05:00Thankfully, since all things are relative and mora...Thankfully, since all things are relative and morality is no longer allowed to intrude on the public sphere, Edwards may not be affected professionally at all. Like Gingrich, he'll go on to a lucrative career.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83527791686501190892008-07-23T10:57:00.000-05:002008-07-23T10:57:00.000-05:00it's down a few flights, so watch your step.I thin...<I>it's down a few flights, so watch your step.</I><BR/><BR/>I think you'll be very comfortable here. Most of your former colleagues have already arrived.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38474801363532623652008-07-23T10:39:00.000-05:002008-07-23T10:39:00.000-05:00Have we seen an Edwards denial of this story yet?E...Have we seen an Edwards denial of this story yet?<BR/><BR/>Edwards is the dog that did not bark in this scene.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71569571905148590922008-07-23T10:37:00.000-05:002008-07-23T10:37:00.000-05:00Cheating on the dying must reserve oneself a speci...<I>Cheating on the dying must reserve oneself a special place in hell.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, Mr. Edwards, at last. We've been expecting you. Let me show your room; you're in the Gingrich Wing -- it's down a few flights, so watch your step.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1879132186331756362008-07-23T10:08:00.000-05:002008-07-23T10:08:00.000-05:00With young children and an ill wife at home.With young children and an ill wife at home.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4370691536099751962008-07-23T10:00:00.000-05:002008-07-23T10:00:00.000-05:00He was probably taking her deposition.Among other ...He was probably taking her deposition.<BR/><BR/>Among other positions.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11803039561467959382008-07-23T09:19:00.000-05:002008-07-23T09:19:00.000-05:00What they're left with -- Edwards being seen at th...<I>What they're left with -- Edwards being seen at the same hotel as Rielle, late at night -- they use as evidence to support an inference: They were having sex that night. And they want to use that inference to support another: They had sex previously. And another: The child is his.</I><BR/><BR/>You're absolutely right. Those are big inferences drawn from little evidence. <BR/><BR/>At the same time, a married man leaving a hotel at 2:40 am and ducking into a restroom to avoid reporters naturally raises eyebrows and suspicions. For all the times men in similar circumstances have claimed, "I was only trying to counsel a poor, lonely woman," there are many fewer where that turns out to have been the truth.P_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130988618277500381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57525447203722298002008-07-23T09:12:00.000-05:002008-07-23T09:12:00.000-05:00Seven Machos wrote, Beldar -- Lots of things are t...Seven Machos wrote, <I>Beldar -- Lots of things are true even though they never get proved in a court of law. In fact, everything that is true is true independent of any court system. Your allusion to evidentiary standards in court is a useless red herring.</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't claim, and don't, that only things proved in court are true. Red herring, meet straw man.<BR/><BR/>What I argued, and still believe, is that much of what the Enquirer has put forth as "facts" aren't facts, but opinions and characterizations that they haven't proved -- and can't.<BR/><BR/>What they're left with -- Edwards being seen at the same hotel as Rielle, late at night -- they use as evidence to support an inference: They were having sex that night. And they want to use that inference to support another: They had sex previously. And another: The child is his.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the Enquirer has more proof than they've yet revealed to support those broader factual conclusions that they want you to infer. Okay, that's yet another guess. How many are we up to now?<BR/><BR/>Courtrooms are places where factual assertions get tested. That may happen here. It may not. But the methods and standards that are used to text factual assertions in courtrooms are used there because they're effective at sorting out proven facts from postulated ones.<BR/><BR/><B>So far, the Enquirer has shown us nothing but speculation on the key issues.</B><BR/><BR/>And they've dressed <I>those</I> up in obvious speculation (like what Edwards' inner thoughts were at various moments) -- something which both in courtrooms and in news reporting is often an indication that a story is weak. I find that speculation to actually undercut the Enquirer's credibility, rather than enhance it.<BR/><BR/><I>Could</I> those key issues be proven directly? Oh, sure, in theory they could. You could produce DNA tests showing Edwards' parentage of the child. You could produce an eyewitness who, unknown to the couple, observed them having sex.<BR/><BR/><I>Could</I> those key issues be proven circumstantially, by creating a more compelling inference? Oh, sure, in theory you could. You could negate every other possible reason why Edwards might have been in that hotel, or you could produce a blue dress from her closet or hotel bedroom sheets stained with his semen.<BR/><BR/>But the Enquirer hasn't done any of that, either. They're relying on us to make the inferential jump: Both in the hotel, must have had sex, kid must be his.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that is true. I wouldn't surprise me if it's true. It wouldn't surprise me for him and for her to lie about it even if it were true.<BR/><BR/>But it hasn't been proved true, not to my satisfaction anyway, because I actually give a damn about what "proof" is. <BR/><BR/>If you don't, that's your privilege too.Beldarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404583858244777905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58037604261522697412008-07-23T08:52:00.000-05:002008-07-23T08:52:00.000-05:00There are few things more vile than cheating on a ...There are few things more vile than cheating on a woman when she is either pregnant or ill. Cheating on the dying must reserve oneself a special place in hell.<BR/><BR/>I hope a divorce lawyer channels his unclaimed infant in the trial, a fitting retribution for his courtroom tactics.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15440288747241611142008-07-23T08:38:00.000-05:002008-07-23T08:38:00.000-05:00Aside from my observation, noted by others here, t...Aside from my observation, noted by others here, that she looks something like Camilla Parker, my first thought was to wonder if my neighbor would finally remove his Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker.Steve Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15346711129919350740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74125861724769536072008-07-23T08:28:00.000-05:002008-07-23T08:28:00.000-05:00I really dislike Edwards' politics, but how can an...I really dislike Edwards' politics, but how can anyone gloat over something like this? As Ruth Anne alluded, it's stomach turning -- and sad -- for everyone involved. <BR/><BR/>And if it turns out to be true and gets any play in NC, I think he's done.P_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130988618277500381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68494679778808403462008-07-23T08:23:00.000-05:002008-07-23T08:23:00.000-05:00Wurly said... Ann,When you write that this is pain...<I> Wurly said... <BR/>Ann,<BR/><BR/>When you write that this is painful, do you mean it causes pain due to uncontrollable, sustainted laughter? That's the pain its causing me.</I><BR/><BR/>I think painful laughter at Edwards,<BR/><BR/>Pain, sorrow and sympathy for his wife and family. I don't care for Elizabeth much, but nobody deserves this.The Drill SGThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16394309533144027391noreply@blogger.com