tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5134041419685268119..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: "How Obama lost me" -- by an Obama supporter who's still going to vote for Obama.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2231675294869461142008-09-22T19:51:00.000-05:002008-09-22T19:51:00.000-05:00fls: Similarly, white voters have been voting for ...fls: <I>Similarly, white voters have been voting for white candidates ever since they got the right to vote. </I><BR/><BR/>Well fls, I guess by your own logic you're misogynist, since you can't bring yourself to cast a vote for Palin.<BR/><BR/>Shoe fits. After all, Obama does have a problem with women. Must have been the education/environment from his Muslim youth.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66805526905032470832008-09-22T19:47:00.000-05:002008-09-22T19:47:00.000-05:00Why not just say: "I don't like blacks and I don't...<I>Why not just say: "I don't like blacks and I don't wanna vote for one".</I><BR/><BR/>Because its false. But thanks for reminding me that Obama plays the race card whenever he's dealt a bad hand. How do you think that will play with Putin? <BR/><BR/>But why can't you say "I support racists". <BR/><BR/>Here's Obamafan Dr Cone, pointing to Obama's church as the archetype for Black Liberation Theology:<BR/><BR/><B>"Black Liberation Theology will only accept the love of a God that participates in the destruction of the White enemy."</B><BR/><BR/>Thats when Obama lost me.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41093228048713366282008-09-22T18:07:00.000-05:002008-09-22T18:07:00.000-05:00I seriously don't believe most of the reticence wi...I seriously don't believe most of the reticence with Obama has to do with his race. He's both black and white, raised by white grandparents. I think the problem is with his personality and his message, but that's just me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42057548324649818102008-09-22T18:05:00.000-05:002008-09-22T18:05:00.000-05:00former law student said...I'm willing to make an e...<I> former law student said...<BR/><BR/>I'm willing to make an exception for Ike. Three terms of Eisenhower would have kept us out of a world of hurt. A third term for Reagan would have exposed his declining faculties. I had personally had enough of Clinton after eight years. <BR/><BR/>But Presidents might try harder if they knew they could be returned to office. What is your opinion on lame-duckism? is it a kind of senioritis?<BR/><BR/>4:35 PM</I><BR/><BR/>It is possible, on the Eisenhower point, who knows. Reagan, as well, he knew he had Alzheimer's for a while. Clinton, well, it's a mix bag. They were the ones in power when I arrived in this country, and I used to be a Clintonista in my youth. <BR/><BR/>It may actually shock you to know that I generally like a lame-duck president or a deadlocked government. And I say *generally* because I am not the anarcho-capitalist type. I am more of a minarchist. Lame-duck presidents tend to be less interventionists with their decisions. The current example is excluded of course, and for good reasons (most people agree to certain extent with his recent actions...)<BR/><BR/>I was just trying to clarify your points about the 22nd Amendment. I would be terrified if people truly would like to revoke it. We may hate election years, but I think it is pretty exciting, all nastiness aside. This is one of the beauties of Democracy, the possibility of change, of fresh ideas, a fresh face...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50313297347307793182008-09-22T17:50:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:50:00.000-05:00Or maybe they just do not like Obama's politics. ...Or maybe they just do not like Obama's politics. <BR/><BR/>Give me Colin Powell or JC Watts or even Michael Steele (the only GOP candidate I gave money to in 2006) and I will vote for them. I probably would have voted for Harold Ford if I lived in Tennessee. <BR/><BR/>Give me Obama and I will not vote for him.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06638332009159486046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39363554177643680222008-09-22T17:38:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:38:00.000-05:00---Just goes to show, what we've always known:Whit...---Just goes to show, what we've always known:<BR/><BR/>Whites are smarter than Blacks !<BR/><BR/>Love,<BR/>MaxineMaxine Weisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18164122931399241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9399950854850034782008-09-22T17:35:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:35:00.000-05:00Black voters are voting for the Black Candidate, a...<I>Black voters are voting for the Black Candidate, and nobody has a problem with it.<BR/><BR/>But, white voters who vote for the White Candidate are considered evil racists !</I><BR/><BR/>Because black voters have been voting for white candidates ever since they got the right to vote. Now they finally get a biracial candidate they can vote for, they are voting for him.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, white voters have been voting for white candidates ever since they got the right to vote. Now they finally got a biracial candidate they can vote for, they are sticking with the white guy.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37660755490468423602008-09-22T17:27:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:27:00.000-05:00Black voters are voting for the Black Candidate, a...Black voters are voting for the Black Candidate, and nobody has a problem with it.<BR/><BR/>But, white voters who vote for the White Candidate are considered evil racists !It's.....Mrs. Hornblower !https://www.blogger.com/profile/02964233973471771217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33640930023813854852008-09-22T17:24:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:24:00.000-05:00And there you have it: Vote for the black guy, or ...And there you have it: <BR/><BR/>Vote for the black guy, or be a Nazi !Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05619718632534827348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87493201991080233072008-09-22T17:18:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:18:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.integrityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08497892841524030866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35233308232047515082008-09-22T17:03:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:03:00.000-05:00I don't like Blacks, and I don't wanna vote for on...I don't like Blacks, and I don't wanna vote for one.<BR/><BR/>!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Love,<BR/>MaxineMaxine Weisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18164122931399241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37017724955993592172008-09-22T17:01:00.001-05:002008-09-22T17:01:00.001-05:00Oh, that's just an awful thing to say.The young me...Oh, that's just an awful thing to say.<BR/><BR/>The young men in question must believe in the notion of our nation that this is "ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL."<BR/><BR/>Every American believes that.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31306694590417021292008-09-22T17:01:00.000-05:002008-09-22T17:01:00.000-05:00" I don't like Blacks and I don't wanna vote for o..." I don't like Blacks and I don't wanna vote for one".<BR/><BR/>________________<BR/><BR/>To admit to such a thing is to be a monster.<BR/><BR/>Much easier, and less embarrassing, to try to rationalize the rejection through extensively detailed and verbose explanations.Stupehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01675054086540151112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42037629868654630622008-09-22T16:58:00.000-05:002008-09-22T16:58:00.000-05:00Why can't the Althouse sons just say they don't li...Why can't the Althouse sons just say they don't like Black people (persons?).<BR/><BR/>I love how the two boys have to create all those extraneous reasons, and explanations, for their eschewing of one candidate over another....when it's so obvious---the real reason.<BR/><BR/>Why not just say: "I don't like blacks and I don't wanna vote for one".<BR/><BR/>It would be rather extraordinary to actually be honest and say that.<BR/><BR/>Anyone feeling brave ?Mrs. Lillian Forklisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14735362072974163642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55223606526506056012008-09-22T16:49:00.000-05:002008-09-22T16:49:00.000-05:00The idea of one six year term which was floated ma...The idea of one six year term which was floated many years ago is appealing to me as opposed to a limit. The president has enough time to set his agenda, direct the legislation of that agenda, and have enough time to see it through. He can make politically unpopular decisions and not have to worry about consequences.(political). If Bush 43 knew he was leaving in 2006, he may not have stayed the course as long, and surged sooner. We might have most of our troops home now, and still won. A new administration might have attacked the FANFRED problem sooner rather than later. History shows that most time, the last two years of a two term president are worthless at best and awful at worst. The last two years of Ike's term had recession, slowing of the housing market, etc. Sound familiar?Elliott Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926851577632076982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16566872018390918442008-09-22T16:35:00.000-05:002008-09-22T16:35:00.000-05:00I won't go into historical speculation, but it is ...<I>I won't go into historical speculation, but it is obvious that you don't approve of it.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm willing to make an exception for Ike. Three terms of Eisenhower would have kept us out of a world of hurt. A third term for Reagan would have exposed his declining faculties. I had personally had enough of Clinton after eight years. <BR/><BR/>But Presidents might try harder if they knew they could be returned to office. What is your opinion on lame-duckism? is it a kind of senioritis?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50177837749283525522008-09-22T15:37:00.000-05:002008-09-22T15:37:00.000-05:00Yep, EDH. Ann voted for Carter when he lost and no...Yep, EDH. Ann voted for Carter when he lost and not when he won.<BR/><BR/>MM wrote...<I>Your son is reaping the results of being too much enamored with a politician. I see the same thing happening to Republicans now who are tepid at best with McCain, but think that Palin is somehow the spoonful of sugar. So if McCain is elected, they'll be very happy -- until he starts to govern.</I><BR/><BR/>I think you misinterpret that. It's not McCain--the base still mistrusts him. Check out Malkin today where she refers to him as "McShamnesty". Ace refers to him, with 99% irony, as "Maverick". (In his definition, "maverick" means going against Republican interests.) It's only the gesture of nomination Palin that fired up the base.<BR/><BR/><I>She</I> is very unlikely to live up to the <I>incredible</I> expectations placed upon her.<BR/><BR/>But McCain is seen as wanting approval which most righties see as doing more lefty things so that the papers write nice about you. If that's true, the media may be burning its bridges with the old guy.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55673641503826934842008-09-22T14:06:00.000-05:002008-09-22T14:06:00.000-05:00Ann,Does that mean you changed your mind about Car...Ann,<BR/><BR/>Does that mean you changed your mind about Carter and voted for him in 1980?Wincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002449963597087316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11086510873182893502008-09-22T14:05:00.000-05:002008-09-22T14:05:00.000-05:00former law student said...fls, do you support the ...<I> former law student said...<BR/>fls, do you support the 22nd Amendment? Just curious...<BR/><BR/>Without it, the still-vigorous Ike would have easily won a third term. Not having to prove his toughness to the Soviets, he makes no dumb moves in either Cuba or Vietnam. The Soviets know better than to put missiles in Cuba on Ike's watch. Knowing not to step in the muck that trapped the French for a decade, Ike supplies the South Vietnamese with arms but no troops. Buoyed by good feelings about the robust economy, Nixon easily defeats pretty-boy elitist Kennedy, but is forced to resign due to scandal. The South Vietnamese lose to Ho Chi Minh, resulting in tens of thousands of refugees fleeing to former colonial power France.<BR/><BR/>1:19 PM</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I won't go into historical speculation, but it is obvious that you don't approve of it. This is extremely troubling for me. You are at least the 10th Obama supporter that I have heard/seen/read expressing their (to put it mildly) "misgivings" about term limits. I understand that you think that "hope and change" may take more than 8 years to arrive, but also realize than in all similar cases it has been decades, and not only have they not come, they have been lost and substituted by despair, fear, deceit, hate, murder, etc...<BR/><BR/>It can happen anywhere...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37593491649525408722008-09-22T13:32:00.000-05:002008-09-22T13:32:00.000-05:00I rather enjoy downtownlad. Sorry, but it's fun t...I rather enjoy downtownlad. Sorry, but it's fun to see an acephalic cut loose. He's the most extreme case of a person without any kind of superego I've ever seen.<BR/><BR/>He makes the discussions fall apart into namecalling and dizziness, but for some reason I enjoy it. He's got the maturity of a two-year-old with the brains of a thirty year old. It's charming, as long as it stays in the comment box, and you don't have to actually know him.<BR/><BR/>Rock on, downtownlad!Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53816011758140368542008-09-22T13:19:00.000-05:002008-09-22T13:19:00.000-05:00fls, do you support the 22nd Amendment? Just curio...<I>fls, do you support the 22nd Amendment? Just curious...</I><BR/><BR/>Without it, the still-vigorous Ike would have easily won a third term. Not having to prove his toughness to the Soviets, he makes no dumb moves in either Cuba or Vietnam. The Soviets know better than to put missiles in Cuba on Ike's watch. Knowing not to step in the muck that trapped the French for a decade, Ike supplies the South Vietnamese with arms but no troops. Buoyed by good feelings about the robust economy, Nixon easily defeats pretty-boy elitist Kennedy, but is forced to resign due to scandal. The South Vietnamese lose to Ho Chi Minh, resulting in tens of thousands of refugees fleeing to former colonial power France.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64767704551631626052008-09-22T12:54:00.000-05:002008-09-22T12:54:00.000-05:00I don't get it. I honestly don't get how other pe...I don't get it. I honestly don't get how other people process, and I do believe I'll just have to settle for that. Here's the thing, you can walk a mile in the other guy's shoes, but when the fit is so poor, that makes for a clumsy mile indeed.<BR/><BR/>I can see consternation at how Obama should have seen how McCain would use the bitter clinging to guns and religion remark against him and how he should have realized how it would raise questions abut his convenient conversion to Christianity. Yes, I see that. <BR/><BR/>But is that all? Com'on. Jac's complaint is that it was politically inept. I'm didn't respond to political ineptness. I'm responding to what kind of person uses a radically politically active church to propel their career. Then disparage not just the church that propelled him when it outlived its usefulness but actually disparaged real worshipers -- people he hopes to govern. This is a very serious character flaw, not mere political ineptness. <BR/><BR/>This blank screen upon which I'm expected to make my own projection, what am I to project? <BR/><BR/>Jac thinks Obama should have known that McCain would use Warren's question about evil would be used to challenge terrorism. Jac, the rest of us are far more concerned about the <I>person</I> who actually <I> believes</I> the definition of evil has more to do with our own humility, than, you know, <I><B> in your face, hijack two airlines, run them into two gigantic buildings to kill as many people as possible EVIL</B></I> See the difference there? Jac responds to his political ineptness in answering the question. I'm responding to what I think I'm seeing in the person.<BR/><BR/>Blank screen. Project.<BR/><BR/>Same thing with his answer about meeting dictators. Small potatoes that he was out maneuvered by Hillary in answering a question. But it's a <B>B.F.D.</B> that here's a person who actually believes that's a good idea. The rest of us are seeing a guy who completely underestimates what he imagines he'll be dealing with as president. We're visualizing a guy being batted around like cat playing with a toy. It's no coincidence dictators around the world are on record as preferring Obama. It's for this very reason they'd prefer him. They intend to have their way with him. But Jac is responding to it merely as an not so clever answer. <BR/><BR/>Screen. Project. <BR/><BR/>Jac is right, there is nothing wrong with shifting to center once securing the primaries. It was necessary, in fact, considering he had to out-Left Hillary to win the primary. But here again, Jac is responding to the politician. The right-o-sphere already responded to McCain <I>the person</I> and quite nearly rejected him precisely because he was already, actually, factually, through a record of voting, too far center to satisfy the Republican base. See how much more clever the Republicans are at this? McCain didn't have to do any political shifting. He was already there. The base that was nearly sacrificed was re-energized, and magnificently I must add, by that candidate's choice for VP. Of course, that wasn't known when McCain won Republican primaries. The point is, Republicans didn't choose their farthest most Right of the righty right Right they could find, because they know that doesn't work in the general. Clever bastards. <BR/><BR/>Jac is put off with the idea of Obama being unprepared for Palin as McCain's choice. <BR/>Forget that. Jac should be disgusted with Obama's choice. Please. Do I have to say it? Hopechangehopechangehopechange....<BR/><BR/>Scre.. proj ...<BR/><BR/>No. These shoes aren't working for me.<BR/><BR/>* kicks off shoes *<BR/><BR/>Both Obama and Hillary lost me with the oration. Bang. Right there at the beginning. The very thing everyone else found so attractive, put me right off. I can't stand it. Hurts my ears. A speaker goes into oration mode, and I tune right out. It's automatic. Who the hell do you they you're talking to? Is my reaction. A stuffed animal? Oh. They're talking to you. <BR/><BR/>Finally, it concerns me that thoughtful voters narrow their field of vision to a single party in this regrettable institutionally bifurcated system. It concerns me maintaing that myopia requires demonizing <I>the other</I> through language to the point epithets completely replace adjectives -- so that wingnut replaces Right wing, and moonbat replaces Left. It's not funny.Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14083343468400773532008-09-22T12:53:00.000-05:002008-09-22T12:53:00.000-05:00Please note, I would probably not have voted for M...Please note, I would probably not have voted for McCain/Lieberman, or any other conservative Liberal running mate.<BR/><BR/>What sealed the deal for me and others is that he chose a reform-minded Republican, who has build a career around the topic of challenging her own Party leadership. That her life was guided by her principles is so much more reason to respect her, and by extension, John McCain.<BR/><BR/>Twice he gambled strategically. First on the Surge, then on Palin. We'll see if it pays off in November.<BR/><BR/>I'm very sorry for Democrats who didn't choose Hillary, or rather, those who did and are stuck with Obama. 2008 is not a year which the Democratic candidate should be remotely this close in the polls. Senator Clinton would be walking away with the election possibly in double digits (10%).vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2578690396637898802008-09-22T12:41:00.000-05:002008-09-22T12:41:00.000-05:00After reading MarkW's post, I feel like writing an...After reading MarkW's post, I feel like writing another called "Why Obama never had me".<BR/><BR/>1. Nebulous background. <BR/><BR/>I'm a foreigner myself, so I come to this opinion with a similar perspective as his internationalist one. Whereas I threw myself into my new country's arms, Obama seems to keep his at arm's length. That's more than unfortunate. It's disqualificatory.<BR/><BR/>2. Urban Ivy League elitist.<BR/><BR/>He is the logical successor to Kerry, who was raised in France, Switzerland, and married to basically two foreign women (his first was nominally American, but really Italian). I am one of those people. I don't like such people because I know we don't represent the American heartland and its ethos. You can't govern what you don't know or respect.<BR/><BR/>3. Corrupt, anti-American associations.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you know what I mean, as it's well covered by others.<BR/><BR/>4. Leader of the most extreme liberal faction within the Democratic Party today.<BR/><BR/>It's a Party which has been hijacked by the Daily Kos, Code Pink and Recreate 68 crowd, amonst others.<BR/><BR/>Democrats need to reinvent themselves, and try to woo the Sarah Palins of this world, not mock and deride those like her.<BR/><BR/>I never was terribly enthusiastic for John McCain. But the man is a strategic gambler and a patriot, and has been the whole of his life.<BR/><BR/>It's the right time for John McCain to be President.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Victoriavbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76917586469717928752008-09-22T12:27:00.000-05:002008-09-22T12:27:00.000-05:00I read JAC's piece and also went through the comme...I read JAC's piece and also went through the comments, where I noticed FLS had shown up to defend Obama with this Howler:<BR/><BR/><I>Regarding evil: Obama responded as if Warren were Reinhold Niebuhr, not Tim Russert. Preachers have sophisticated, nuanced ideas of evil, and that's how Obama responded to him. Only a crass McCain could seize the opportunity to launch into his stump speech.</I><BR/><BR/>So, Obama ruined his spiel about "evil" by presuming Warren was as sophisticated and nuanced about such matters as Obama was? And McCain, the fool, gave a <I>simplistic</I> answer spelling out why he thinks some of America's foes are evil??<BR/><BR/>Given the preachers I know, the priests and ministers I've read - my knowledge of them is they have a very different perspective than FLS. <BR/>They draw clear bright lines between good and evil. They call people and movements good or evil. They do not excuse much evil by retreat to "root causes" of "improperly acting out" and such.<BR/><BR/>The only excuse I can see is FLS must be one of the few that are in the mostly empty churches of the pomo, now morally relativist ministers of Europe and their small cadre of Lefty American "old line, but enlightened Protestant clergy" who went abroad to Oxford to "refine their views".<BR/><BR/>One thing America does expect of a President is that they have a moral clarity that they can lead from.....and not operate and speak to the American people from the confines of a "Yes....but..the nuances are.." moral Fog Machine.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.com