tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5069453379406983077..comments2024-03-19T07:20:02.485-05:00Comments on Althouse: "... Gibbs had his foot lodged in the door to the meeting as Indian security officials pushed hard to shut it."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41977204641815616062010-11-08T21:34:19.093-06:002010-11-08T21:34:19.093-06:00"When is it not a holiday in India? "
B..."When is it not a holiday in India? "<br /><br />Bullseye. The number of Gods in the hindu pantheon > 900. The number of non hindu major religions > 10. The number of smaller religious traditions = 1000s.<br /><br />It was great going to school in India, when I was a kid. We had at least one day of religious holidays every month. And Late October/Early november was a full on holiday fest because of Dusshera/Diwali. Then came Christmas/Winter vacations. Two varieties of Id. Guru Nanak's birthday. Buddha's birthday. Then Holi....and so on and on and on.<br /><br />Anyway, Diwali is not a "holiday" in the sense that everything is closed. In fact, ALL the shops are open later than regular days, handing out sweets, playing music on the streets, saying hello to the neighbours. Banks, Post Offices, and other offices are closed, of course. But neighbourhood stores..not so much.Ankurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01087294103737402589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80441080279184953102010-11-08T21:08:11.295-06:002010-11-08T21:08:11.295-06:00Of all things Obama chose the biggest Indian holid...<i>Of all things Obama chose the biggest Indian holiday of the year to show up</i><br /><br />When is it not a holiday in India? I just started doing my shopping for Guru Nanak's birthday.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30965333854060215352010-11-08T20:49:01.680-06:002010-11-08T20:49:01.680-06:00Take a look at this raw video, http://video.ap.org...Take a look at this raw video, http://video.ap.org/?f=AP&pid=15hKuO6SiBxVlZ96xPmZCb4ug_Y5f2O9.<br /><br />Gibbs was correct. The Indians messed it. They messed up the State dinner with Salahis here and then this there. What a joke?<br /><br />Why not let the US tour get in? They are the GUESTS.<br /><br />The world is very unfair to Obama-Biden Administration.<br /><br />This will change in Nov. 2012. The GOP will lose badly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72184163193395609662010-11-08T20:44:01.818-06:002010-11-08T20:44:01.818-06:00Ofc Krupke,
In that case it was the president him...Ofc Krupke,<br /><br />In that case it was the president himself. Why was it not Zero doing this and not Gibbs.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74624945680535650972010-11-08T20:38:26.416-06:002010-11-08T20:38:26.416-06:00In the India Times the editors interviewed a lot o...In the India Times the editors interviewed a lot of locals about the Obama visit and really got an earful. Of all things Obama chose the biggest Indian holiday of the year to show up and his demands and security requirements kept a lot of people from being able to celebrate as they had planned and also ruined the bottom line for a lot of the shopowners who depended on the holiday buying for their income. They are all asking why Obama chose this particular time to come over and whether he had any idea of it being their annual holiday. Locals do not like him at all. <br /><br />Now check your local fishwrap to see if they reported any of that.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70284854433021198852010-11-08T19:22:08.606-06:002010-11-08T19:22:08.606-06:00dragging up an old memory, but i believe the air c...dragging up an old memory, but i believe the air combat training missions under discussion included the US blinding certain of its own radar capabilities --the 'look-down' radar seems stuck in that memory --IOW the IAF training victory was 'under conditions'.buddy larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17760847873026506988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73053027304116444622010-11-08T18:33:26.858-06:002010-11-08T18:33:26.858-06:00The Indian officers were inadequately trained and ...The Indian officers were inadequately trained and prepared . They should have immediately employed Tasers, pepper spray and batons to subdue the rampaging, unruly, hyperkenetic press flack. Mr. Gibbs' behavior could have easily endangered the well being of both Mr. Obama and the other guy with that thing on his head. Can't remember his name but you know who I'm talking about. A shameful episode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39622964522841480862010-11-08T17:59:20.021-06:002010-11-08T17:59:20.021-06:00I suddenly have newfound respect for Gibbs. My att...I suddenly have newfound respect for Gibbs. My attitude toward him is changed. <br /><br />The photo over there is priceless. Image adjusted to reveal detail lost in shadow. The expression on the <a href="http://bour3pages.blogspot.com/2010/11/gibbs-and-indian-official_08.html" rel="nofollow">Indian official's face</a> is worth a 1,000 words.Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35871740399467032802010-11-08T17:46:57.853-06:002010-11-08T17:46:57.853-06:00@RebeccaH
Gibbs was right not to let them get awa...@RebeccaH<br /><br /><i>Gibbs was right not to let them get away with it.</i><br /><br />What, is Gibbs in middle school? <br /><br />Gibbs should have found another way to resolve the issue, off camera. No doubt this was one of many irritations he's had to deal with, but that's his job. Gibbs' behavior in this instance was very unprofessional.BJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447134335568803085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71787080011877911982010-11-08T17:44:43.918-06:002010-11-08T17:44:43.918-06:00You might have missed the context then, we were ta...You might have missed the context then, we were talking in present day terms.<br /><br />As in Americans no longer thinks of India as a Soviet satellite.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70286022720265430192010-11-08T17:34:34.685-06:002010-11-08T17:34:34.685-06:00Ah folks, my point about the IAL flying MiG and Su...Ah folks, my point about the IAL flying MiG and Sukhoi fighters is that the US had reason to be suspicious of which side of the USA-CCCP dividing line the Indians came down on back in the day.<br /><br />I don't know whether the MiG and Sukhoi jets are better than the F-15, F-16, and FA-18 fighters we export. I have my suspicions the ours are better, but since our fighter pilots are some of the most highly trained in the world -- perhaps <i>the</i> most highly trained in the world (the Israelis may disagree), it would be hard to tell how much is due to the pilot and how much to the plane.<br /><br />But I don't think India is going to do a heavy buy of American fighters when their ground personnel are trained on Russian jets.Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82381103467629240802010-11-08T17:27:38.916-06:002010-11-08T17:27:38.916-06:00You are all missing the undercurrent of this incid...You are all missing the undercurrent of this incident and many others. This would never have occurred if Erkle was a real, strong president governing from the point of strength and confidence with a resolute and supporting nation behind his back. Instead, the indians are treating him like the smug, arrogant, conceited do-nothing, empty suit that he is. The teleprompter fiasco alone shattered any illusions that this moron has any bona fides around the world at all. That's what this fucking idiot of a man has done in 2 years to my country. His ideology has done this. His reprobate cadre have done this. It's on him. What an embarrassment he is to the US. And every on of you that voted for him should hang your fucking heads in shame. Absolute shame for what you foisted onto us.Methadrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828014989470539375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43972754134936768202010-11-08T17:16:24.762-06:002010-11-08T17:16:24.762-06:00Ankur
Thanks for the info, will also check out th...Ankur<br /><br />Thanks for the info, will also check out the news sites you mentioned.<br /><br />Damned terrorists.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21909543359461761562010-11-08T16:59:55.945-06:002010-11-08T16:59:55.945-06:00madawaskan - as far as I am aware, the reason is s...madawaskan - as far as I am aware, the reason is simply this: The terrorists are mostly on foot, whereas the Army/Border Security are on vehicles. During winter, that advantage is diminished because of heavy snows along the passes of the northwest himalayas. Most infiltration happens in that area anyway.<br /><br />It is almost impossible to actually guard a border that is snowed in, under really heavy weather conditions - and when wireless communication technology has problems because of the incessant bad weather.<br /><br />Google Siachen Glacier for an insight into how much harder the problem becomes in the winter. (And sure, its harder for the terrorists as well, but they are by definition, more agile, less dependant on technology/vehicles)Ankurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01087294103737402589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34968777475479286582010-11-08T15:59:57.156-06:002010-11-08T15:59:57.156-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871331702531675368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56945289183546645372010-11-08T15:57:32.603-06:002010-11-08T15:57:32.603-06:00Indian Air Force pilots with their Sukhoi Su-30MKI...<i>Indian Air Force pilots with their Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters continues to grow their reputation on international exercises. They have beaten the US F-15 and F-16 pilots many times in recent years Cope India exercises. Now Indian pilots beat RAF Tornado pilots. <br /><br />Royal Air Force and Indian Air Force had their first air combat exercise since 1959 after 47 years. One main goal on the exercise was the preparing to get three E-3D AWACS planes into service with the Indian Air Force during the next year. <br /><br />The exercise Indra-Dhanush held by Britons and Indians included BVR and WVR engagements. The RAF brought Tornado F.3s and India Su-30MKI, MiG-21, MiG-27 and Mirage 2000 aircraft into the exercise. Indian Air force officials said that the Tornado F.3 was no match for the Su-30MKI. The Sukhoi was unbeatable even in the BVR tests. In the close-in fights and dogfights the Tornado had no change to do anything.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.patricksaviation.com/forums/thread.php?t=1082&p=" rel="nofollow">Patrick's Aviation</a><br /><br />It was four years ago so there's <i>that/</i>. Although I don't think we've done any significant upgrades since.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59060437649121286942010-11-08T15:56:39.454-06:002010-11-08T15:56:39.454-06:00When Obama uses his teleprompter, and he does this...When Obama uses his teleprompter, and he does this constantly, it's becoming like a bad commercial advertisement. Nobody is going to buy the product.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21147581852134492582010-11-08T15:53:40.166-06:002010-11-08T15:53:40.166-06:00Scott M-
I thought it was an exercise with the I...Scott M-<br /> I thought it was an exercise with the Israeli's who kiboshed us while flying MIGs- I went off to google that but because I'm a sick lazy nincompoop I got distracted by the China Daily pot stirrers.<br /><br />***************************<br /><br />Ankur-<br /><br />Hey what is it about winter? I know India is huge geographically, and therefore more complex but in McChrystal's report on Afghanistan he was very worried about the onset of winter-something about the terrorists do a lessons learned meeting and then come up with *new stuff* for the winter that follows.<br /><br />Do you know why it is specifically worse for India in winter time?Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78203775710498548932010-11-08T15:39:02.468-06:002010-11-08T15:39:02.468-06:00..and, as much as Obama doesn't mention the UA.....and, as much as Obama doesn't mention the UAV attacks on terrorist camps, and neither does the Indian government - please know that the Indian people are very well aware and grateful.<br /><br />Since 1981, about 67000 Indians have been killed by Islamic terrorism. In response, India has often been heavy handed - and has been accused (fairly at times, and unfairly in others) of human rights violations. Now that winter is approaching, another wave of terrorists will certainly attempt to cross over into India, because it is much harder to guard the border under heavy himalayan snows. So, anything that pushes the terrorists back is a good thing, as far as I am concerned.Ankurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01087294103737402589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85058634094067136722010-11-08T15:38:31.423-06:002010-11-08T15:38:31.423-06:00Oh crap-what the hell was that exercise where some...<i>Oh crap-what the hell was that exercise where some of our guys beat our own guys in MIGs-I've had a fever off and on so maybe I'm imagining that....<br /><br />What was that?</i><br /><br />I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but Red Flag is every year outside Vegas.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871331702531675368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35939904517201360332010-11-08T15:30:27.378-06:002010-11-08T15:30:27.378-06:00Hey look what I found at China Daily:
Underlying ...Hey look what I found at <i>China Daily</i>:<br /><br /><i>Underlying the visit will be lobbying for billions of dollars in contracts to overhaul India's mostly Russian-supplied military, a relic of their Cold War era partnership.<br />Those orders include a $11 billion deal for 126 fighter jets that could benefit US' Boeing and Lockheed Martin Corp France's Dassault, Russia's MiG-35, Sweden's Saab and the Eurofighter Typhoon are also competing.<br /><br />But Washington faces a host of hurdles, including Indian worries that signing defense pacts which are necessary for the US arms sales to go through may land New Delhi into a wider entanglement with the US military.<br /><br />While Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has reached out to Washington over his last six years in powers, many within his own Congress party as well as his parliamentary allies are reluctant to embrace these pacts, pending over three years.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-10/26/content_11460842.htm" rel="nofollow">China Daily</a>Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23130925021785787592010-11-08T15:23:17.336-06:002010-11-08T15:23:17.336-06:00Big Mike
FWIW, the Indian Air Force still flies M...Big Mike<br /><br /><i>FWIW, the Indian Air Force still flies MiGs.</i><br /><br />Oh crap-what the hell was that exercise where some of our guys beat our own guys in MIGs-I've had a fever off and on so maybe I'm imagining that....<br /><br />What was that?<br /><br />Maybe it was the Israelis...Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-808923443868015782010-11-08T15:19:05.140-06:002010-11-08T15:19:05.140-06:00Ankur
Madawaskan, part of that long memory has to...Ankur<br /><br /><i>Madawaskan, part of that long memory has to do with the India-Pakistan dynamic. When you are next door to a country that has attacked you (and been beaten back) four times between 1948 and 1999 - and each time, the overall meme was "Pakistan can only do this because America allows them, ignores the terrorist camps, and provides them weapons" - it takes a while to get over that.</i><br /><br />Very good point I just hope that India does not think we have any bad memory of that. Not at all. No one I know thinks of India from that perspective much at all.<br /><br />*************************************<br /><br />Back to the first point.<br /><br />During this visit to India we have sent the message rightly or wrongly that we do not trust Indian security-from the PAN numbers incident to the US securing the Taj hotel themselves rather than letting Indian security host the event at a public building and secure a building of theirs.<br /><br />That perceived message had been reflected back by Indian media for near two days.<br /><br />Now the Indian security tries to assert itself and demonstrate that they are stringent, that they take security seriously and instead of allowing them a "save face" moment Gibbs escalates the situation. He not only makes the situation worse, but his bluff gets called and as White House spokesman he has cheapened his credibility for very little gain.<br /><br />A bad and rash move all around, in my opinion.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90199409876589021202010-11-08T15:08:18.952-06:002010-11-08T15:08:18.952-06:00Madawaskan, part of that long memory has to do wit...Madawaskan, part of that long memory has to do with the India-Pakistan dynamic. When you are next door to a country that has attacked you (and been beaten back) four times between 1948 and 1999 - and each time, the overall meme was "Pakistan can only do this because America allows them, ignores the terrorist camps, and provides them weapons" - it takes a while to get over that.<br /><br />I am not saying that meme was correct. I am just saying - rightly or wrongly, India used to believe that America could prevent Pakistan from attacking India, but never chose to.Ankurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01087294103737402589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25156863657205323162010-11-08T15:05:53.633-06:002010-11-08T15:05:53.633-06:00i hope someone in the Indian press will ask why, i...i hope someone in the Indian press will ask why, if 600 billion in QE2 is so helpful, why not make it 600 trillion and we can all just go fishin'?buddy larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17760847873026506988noreply@blogger.com