tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4820386352117140583..comments2024-03-18T23:08:20.960-05:00Comments on Althouse: Protest and counterprotest in NYC — 1,000 against the mosque near Ground Zero and 200 for it.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger207125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67860770990929230022010-08-24T13:18:33.348-05:002010-08-24T13:18:33.348-05:00AlphaSockPuppet is a stooge for the Progressive La...AlphaSockPuppet is a stooge for the <a href="http://www.plp.org" rel="nofollow">Progressive Labor Party</a>. These people use a lot of violent rhetoric, and occasionally engage in violence.<br /><br />He just comes here to masturbate.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341576498315327700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82890180836969418472010-08-24T08:00:47.560-05:002010-08-24T08:00:47.560-05:00For one fucking time, I'd like one of you guys...<i>For one fucking time, I'd like one of you guys to wrap tour small reptilian brains around the concept that THAT is an offensive statement.</i><br /><br />Everything is offensive to you. That's what happens when you live in perpetual victimhood.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64191489824526032062010-08-24T07:49:18.489-05:002010-08-24T07:49:18.489-05:00Chef Mojo takes offense at the very presence of Mu...Chef Mojo takes offense at the very presence of Muslims, which he calls "indecent."<br /><br />"I only want the Muslim community, FOR ONE FUCKING TIME, to acknowledge that it is indecent to do this, in this way and in this time."<br /><br />For one fucking time, I'd like one of you guys to wrap tour small reptilian brains around the concept that THAT is an offensive statement.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38898992292442542472010-08-24T07:48:45.125-05:002010-08-24T07:48:45.125-05:00To support a mosque, any mosque, is to support Sha...To support a mosque, any mosque, is to support <i>Sharia</i>.<br /><br />By supporting Sharia you reject personal freedom. You support the subjugation of women, death by stoning, and "honor" killing. <br /><br />The <i>moderate</i> imam Feisal Abdul-Rauf, who's behind the Park-51 mosque (formerly the Cordoba Project,) has stated his intent to establish Sharia in America. <br /><br />In 2009 Rauf refused to sign a Freedom Pledge to protect former Muslims from death sentences sought by Shariah interpretations for Muslim apostates. Rauf is also President of the ASMA society, which is the Shariah Index Project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32410274687456701642010-08-24T07:38:37.358-05:002010-08-24T07:38:37.358-05:00But it's not indecent to build a Muslim YMCA i...<i>But it's not indecent to build a Muslim YMCA in this spot, </i><br /><br />What's funny is the Muslim community might take offense to you drawing an equivalency to thier 'cultural center' to the <i>Young Men's Christian Association</i>.<br /><br />Your accusations of 'bigotry' would probably have a shred more credibility if leftists like yourself didn't spend the last 50 years demonizing, degrading and mocking Christianity. So you'll have to forgive me if I'm somewhat skeptical of your side's new found love and respect for your choice of religious fundamentalists.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50950039763362580572010-08-24T06:42:22.594-05:002010-08-24T06:42:22.594-05:00"I only want the Muslim community...to acknow...<i>"I only want the Muslim community...to acknowledge that it is indecent to do this...."</i><br /><br />But it's <i>not</i> indecent to build a Muslim YMCA in this spot, not at all. It only is so in the minds of religious bigots.<br /><br />What you want is irrelevant, as it has nothing to do with you.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21731894764611723112010-08-24T06:26:09.887-05:002010-08-24T06:26:09.887-05:00Hoosier Daddy
In America we should not take the s...<i>Hoosier Daddy<br /><br />In America we should not take the standards set by Saudi Arabia or Islam extermists to be our standards either. I agree that Islam has some terrible standards in the Middle East. But not all Muslims interpret their religion and practice the same.</i><br /><br />I didn't say we should take on those standards (goddman it don't people read??). I simply stated that this Iman teaching tolerance and respecting other beliefs and values would be better served in those places, as opposed to the model of diversity that is NYC.<br /><br />If you agree that Islam has some terrible standards within the ME, then it stands to reason that's where this Iman should be concentrating his efforts.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8217613747835677672010-08-24T01:00:05.242-05:002010-08-24T01:00:05.242-05:00"And, I am quoting Ron-Freaking-Paul on this ..."And, I am quoting Ron-Freaking-Paul on this very page!! not exactly my fellow traveller."<br /><br />Bwahaha. It is exactly what one would expect that Stormfront Alphie, spewer of crackpot antisemitic conspiracy theories, would cite RP.Gary Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338791760274457388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56708690286992567772010-08-24T00:57:07.148-05:002010-08-24T00:57:07.148-05:00But where it gets a bit crazy is when you have peo...<i>But where it gets a bit crazy is when you have people in Tennessee who freak out because a mosque is going up in the hood.</i><br /><br />I don't acknowledge the relevance. I'm opposed to the Ground Zero mosque, not to mosques in Tennessee. I certainly don't feel a need to defend, explain, or apologize for the folks in Tennessee.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82501442735567585172010-08-24T00:21:18.786-05:002010-08-24T00:21:18.786-05:00Matt,
Replace conservatives in your text in place...Matt,<br /><br />Replace conservatives in your text in place of Muslims and see if it still holds. Think back to how the left has claimed that all conservatives are religious fanatics who want to force us all to become fundamentalist Christians. Same principle and again it is about religion. And it is by Americans about other Americans - and incidentally by the highly educated from the Northeast primarily.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31532312745229914842010-08-23T23:39:37.950-05:002010-08-23T23:39:37.950-05:00BetaLib tried real hard: "So, Genius, the Mus...BetaLib tried real hard: <i><b>"So, Genius, the Muslims can't build their "Mosque" on hallowed ground, although the proposed building site, a Burlington Coat Factory store, you insist with great bile, is NOT hallowed ground."</b></i><br /><br />No, Idiot, I didn't say <b>any</b> ground was hallowed (that's twice I've pointed out your error, so shoot for a third lie). How anyone can have as shitty a reading comprehension as you and still manage to access the intarwebs just boggles the mind.<br /><br /><i><b>"And you DO have a Muslim Exclusion Zone..."</b></i><br /><br />No, Fucktard, a Muslim exclusion zone would be "I don't want any muslims around Ground Zero." Which of course is not what I said but doesn't preclude the thought from rattling around inside your little pinhead.<br /><br /><i><b>"....if you oppose them building here or at any of the other dozen or so sites around formerly free USA where Muslim plans have met the same opposition, inspired by this fight."</b></i><br /><br />Whoops, watch your step there or you'll slip on the red herring you just dropped. <br /><br /><i><b>"So, please give us a map of your Muslim Exclusion Zone."</b></i><br /><br />Request already answered, moron. <br /><br /><i><b>"I don't think the Muslims or the Catholics, or the Citigroup or anyone should build there. It should be a park with a Memorial, like Pearl Harbor.<br /><br />But they're going to build some commercial monstrosity, probably with some Saudi/Fox money and you'll be all gaga over that, right?</b></i><br /><br />Yo, Buttercup, answer the fucking question without your paranoid ravings about big bad evil FOX NEWS! I phrased it in pretty simple English, which given a Herculean effort, you should be able to understand. Don't rephrase it, answer it.GMayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12231225580249665221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67716648646961225602010-08-23T23:38:23.579-05:002010-08-23T23:38:23.579-05:00No they weren't, you dishonest and abusive fuc...<em>No they weren't, you dishonest and abusive fuck.</em><br /><br />Hit a nerve there, didn't I? They weren't? Then why won't you show the common decency of being sensitive to their survivors, you twisted monster? I don't give a flying fuck about the religious aspects of this. I'm a stone cold atheist.<br /><br /><em>You guys are picking one religion to single out and trying to strip them of their rights.</em><br /><br />And that is a fucking lie, Alpha, and you know it. I have never, in all my comments throughout the blogosphere on this subject, said that they CAN'T build there. I only want the Muslim community, FOR ONE FUCKING TIME, to acknowledge that it is indecent to do this, in this way and in this time. Just for once, I wan't Muslims to be sensitive to this, to understand that, as with all Americans, just because you have a right doesn't mean you should exercise it.<br /><br />The people who want to build this are no better than Fred Phelps and his psychotic followers.<br /><br /><em>You are claiming their very presence is an affront.</em><br /><br />Another lie. I value the friendships I have with Muslims in my community, so go fuck yourself. And you know what? Everyone of them I know thinks it's a real bad idea. That includes Americans of the following decent: 2 Kuwaitis, 2 Pakistanis and 4 Sudanese. All practicing Muslims. Again, go fuck yourself.<br /><br /><br /><br />Eye. Beholder. Better to have some class, be it low, than no class at all like yourself, Alpha.Chef Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10981901090530845072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42632904357686147132010-08-23T23:22:09.861-05:002010-08-23T23:22:09.861-05:00Chef Mojo:
"After all, to him, the slain wer...Chef Mojo:<br /><br />"After all, to him, the slain were just all little Eichmanns,"<br /><br />No they weren't, you dishonest and abusive fuck. <br /><br />You guys are picking one religion to single out and trying to strip them of their rights. <br /><br />You are claiming their very presence is an affront. <br /><br />You define low class.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59416922364699993812010-08-23T23:18:26.936-05:002010-08-23T23:18:26.936-05:00But then, what's the use of arguing this with ...But then, what's the use of arguing this with Alpha. After all, to him, the slain were just all little Eichmanns, not worthy of having the least sensitivity shown to their survivors by Muslims who think it is far more important to have their victory lap.<br /><br />All this because Alpha and his ilk insist on niggling over the specifics of a map. They fixate on physical damage and totally disregard the damage to the national psyche.<br /><br />Keep it classy, Alpha!Chef Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10981901090530845072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57817084939310357032010-08-23T23:17:46.253-05:002010-08-23T23:17:46.253-05:00Chef Mojo draws a n entirely different Muslim Excl...Chef Mojo draws a n entirely different Muslim Exclusion Zone:<br /><br />"To paraphrase another blogger, if you somewhere where you breathed in the ashes of the slain, then you were on hallowed ground. I can live with that."<br /><br />In this ghoulish example, the Muslim Exclusion Zone extends throughout Manhattan, at least lower Manhattan. <br /><br />So Chef Mojo (excellent handle, BTW), what about the existing Muslim-owned community centers, mosques, etc. Would you like those taken from the Muslims? <br /><br />The Chef asks:<br /><br />"Does Murdoch's money (if this is indeed the case) is helping to finance 51Park, is that a good thing or a bad thing, Alpha?"<br /><br />I think the incestuous melding of news empires in the hands of a few rich people is bad news. <br /><br />Oh, and gang, Fox and Friends reported on half of this story, the Community Center investment today. They did not report on the Prince AlAweed's Fox connections, and they clipped Murdoch out of a photo with the guy! <br /><br />Great send up on The Daily Show on this. Hilarious.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16165762234933427982010-08-23T23:13:26.251-05:002010-08-23T23:13:26.251-05:00Alpha, you dumbing fucking piece of shit.
Shut up...Alpha, you dumbing fucking piece of shit.<br /><br />Shut up and go crawl back under your rock.<br /><br />You are a loathesome, lowlife cocksucker.<br /><br />You have all the characteristics of a terrorist. I hope that the police are keeping an eye on you.<br /><br />Shut the fuck up, idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28816351916533754992010-08-23T23:10:43.217-05:002010-08-23T23:10:43.217-05:00You already spammed the link that dishonestly edit...You already spammed the link that <b><i>dishonestly edited propaganda video</i></b>*, AlphaLiberal, and it got taken apart. <br /><br />Spamming your discredited bullshit again doesn't magically negate the earlier debunkings.<br /><br />(*Remember how much time and effort you, TPM, and the rest of the Sorosphere spent complaining about Breitbart because he posted a video excerpt from a longer event? Welcome to your petard, have a nice hoist.)AC245https://www.blogger.com/profile/12345073208349984409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60699103351487604672010-08-23T23:09:14.390-05:002010-08-23T23:09:14.390-05:00GMay hurls this:
"No, not really. Did I say ...GMay hurls this:<br /><br />"No, not really. Did I say it was hallowed ground? Are you fucking schizophrenic?"<br /><br />I am not fucking any schizophrenics, nor am I aware of having done so in the past. But neither would I be surprised...<br /><br />So, Genius, the Muslims can't build their "Mosque" on hallowed ground, although the proposed building site, a Burlington Coat Factory store, you insist with great bile, is NOT hallowed ground. <br /><br />And you DO have a Muslim Exclusion Zone, if you oppose them building here or at any of the other dozen or so sites around formerly free USA where Muslim plans have met the same opposition, inspired by this fight. <br /><br />So, please give us a map of your Muslim Exclusion Zone. <br />-----------------<br />I don't think the Muslims or the Catholics, or the Citigroup or anyone should build there. It should be a park with a Memorial, like Pearl Harbor.<br /><br />But they're going to build some commercial monstrosity, probably with some Saudi/Fox money and you'll be all gaga over that, right?AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49630556008388268882010-08-23T23:07:29.193-05:002010-08-23T23:07:29.193-05:00@Alpha:
So, what's your point? Does Murdoch&#...@Alpha:<br /><br />So, what's your point? Does Murdoch's money (if this is indeed the case) is helping to finance 51Park, is that a good thing or a bad thing, Alpha? <br /><br />As far the Burlington Coat Factory is concerned, yeah, that's hallowed ground. To paraphrase another blogger, if you somewhere where you breathed in the ashes of the slain, then you were on hallowed ground. I can live with that.<br /><br /><em>How about if we don't desecrate Ground Zero <b>and the memory of the murdered</b> with religious hate and intolerance <b>by demanding - for once! - that the Muslims be sensitive to <em>our</em> grief and memories?</b> Is that so much to ask?</em><br /><br />There. FIFY.Chef Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10981901090530845072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58559935381260720382010-08-23T22:58:32.974-05:002010-08-23T22:58:32.974-05:00jr565:
"Ok Alpha I watched the video. And th...jr565:<br /><br />"Ok Alpha I watched the video. And there is no attack on this guy because he is black. It's because he gets in the face of those against the mosque and calls them dumb mohterfuckers"<br /><br /><b>False.</b> Completely false. What a lie.<br /><br />The Ground Zero carpenter got in their face <i>because they were screaming at him as he walked along</i>. It clearly shows as the video starts that they are chanting, pointing fingers at him, and some with cameras are following him as he walks along. <br /><br /><a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/anti-ground-zero-mosque-rally-freaks-out-at-black-guy-video.php?ref=fpb" rel="nofollow">Video</a>.<br /><br />There are verbal attacks on him as he is walking through the crowd. Then he turns around and faces them and the guy in the blue shirt is waving other people away who are trying to harass The Black Guy. (0:24) <br /><br />At 0:44 Mr blue hardhat <i>gets in his face</i>.<br /><br />And it's downhill from there. <br /><br />You attack <i>him</i> here? Really? The one the anti-Muslim crowd is chanting at? <br /><br />Blame the victim. You're like the wife beater who says "why do you make me hit you?"AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73795735070847352022010-08-23T22:57:05.001-05:002010-08-23T22:57:05.001-05:00That's all folks!
Another day of Bigot-O-Mani...That's all folks!<br /><br />Another day of Bigot-O-Mania!<br /><br />Everything is bigotry<br />In its own way!<br /><br />Tune in tomorrow for another episode of Bigot-O-Mania!<br /><br />Starring the brain dead zombie OmegaLiberal and his stern commands!<br /><br />You will do as I say, Ann Althouse! Or... or... or...<br /><br />OmegaLiberal, the brain dead zombie, brings just to the BIGOTTY BIGOTTY BIGOTS tomorrow!<br /><br />Right here!<br /><br />Where it's Bigot-O-Mania all day long!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12210097773879039842010-08-23T22:54:37.435-05:002010-08-23T22:54:37.435-05:00BetaLib hyperventilates: "Not at all! So are ...BetaLib hyperventilates: <i><b>"Not at all! So are you seriously arguing that the Burlington Coat Factory is hallowed ground? Really?"</b></i> <br /><br />No, not really. Did I say it was hallowed ground? Are you fucking schizophrenic? Do you hear voices inside your head and post in response to them?<br /><br /><i><b>"Please show us the map for your Muslim Exclusion Zone so people know in advance. Apparently, anywhere debris landed is hallowed ground and Muslims will taint it."</b></i><br /><br />You don't need a map. The criterion is pretty easy to grasp - if a building received major structural damage (kinda like the twin towers) from airplanes that were hitting buildings on 9/11, then construction of this thing on that spot is in poor taste and not really building bridges.<br /><br />Did I say Muslim exclusion zone? Did I say "anywhere debris landed"? Nope, not one time you dumbass. <br /><br /><i><b>"How about if we don't desecrate Ground Zero with religious hate and intolerance? Is that so much to ask?"</b></i><br /><br />How about you don't conjure up completely ridiculous strawman arguments from the depths of that loose bundle of nerves that sometimes passes for your brain.<br /><br />*******<br /><br />All snark and insults aside, let me ask you a serious question - If this same group acquired the rights to build the very same project atop the very site of the Twin Towers, what would you think?GMayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12231225580249665221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65465981363368777522010-08-23T22:52:53.299-05:002010-08-23T22:52:53.299-05:00The Saudi Prince who is the Number Two News Corp/F...<i>The Saudi Prince who is the Number Two News Corp/FoxNews shareholder is also a contributor to the misnamed "Ground Zero Mosque."</i><br /><br />I recommend that everyone read the linked article to see that AlphaLiberal's claim is a lie.<br /><br />Here's the <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/short_on_3UhQftAjXfFZq1fNURK3BM" rel="nofollow">New York Post article</a> being referenced:<br />"<i> Deep-pocketed benefactors who have supported the groups in the past include the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal's Kingdom Foundation, the government of Qatar and the World Economic Forum. <b>But some of the foundations have already backed away from the mosque, which is to be called Cordoba House.</b><br /><br />The driving forces behind the project, Feisal Abdul Rauf -- a usually media-savvy imam -- and his wife, Daisy Khan, have been tight-lipped on financing. They have said in brief statements that fund-raising has not started, donors have not been identified and that <b>the Kingdom Foundation has no involvement.</b></i>"<br /><br />If al-Waleed or his "Kingdom Foundation" charity are funding the the Cordoba Initiative's Ground Zero Mosque (defined as the mosque being built at a location where airplane wreckage from the 9/11 attack by extremist Muslims landed), then you'll need to cite something other than this weak Jon Stewart/John Cook collaboration to establish that fact.AC245https://www.blogger.com/profile/12345073208349984409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8586811413824679322010-08-23T22:44:10.550-05:002010-08-23T22:44:10.550-05:00You know, that's a good idea! We should demand...You know, that's a good idea! We should demand, now, that conservatives/anarchists map out their Muslim Exclusion Zone.<br /><br />That way, when they keep trying to grow the Republican's Muslim Exclusion zone, we'll have a record and something to hold them to. As it stands now, Muslims must only be excluded where they say so.<br /><br />You guys could crowd source this in Google maps, and then call it Muslim Exclusion Map Enabled (MEME). Then, property owners won't have to ask their local Republican Party if they can sell property to Muslims and the investment environment will be more stable in the face of the Muslim(phobe) threat. <br /><br />And Ann Althouse can proudly point to the role her site played in the propagation of the MEME.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18774020359903082562010-08-23T22:33:07.715-05:002010-08-23T22:33:07.715-05:00GMay:
Don't you think that if a piece of one ...GMay:<br /><br /><i>Don't you think that if a piece of one of those very same planes partially destroyed another building, that that might be considered in the same area? </i> <br /><br />Not at all! So are you seriously arguing that the Burlington Coat Factory is hallowed ground? Really? <br /><br />Please show us the map for your Muslim Exclusion Zone so people know in advance. Apparently, anywhere debris landed is hallowed ground and Muslims will taint it. <br /><br />How about if we don't desecrate Ground Zero with religious hate and intolerance? Is that so much to ask?AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.com