tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4701182629612129960..comments2024-03-29T07:56:36.655-05:00Comments on Althouse: The oral argument in the Hobby Lobby religious freedom and contraception case. Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4588335774867891992014-03-26T17:22:55.522-05:002014-03-26T17:22:55.522-05:00Deirdre Mundy said...
Harold- You clearly don...Deirdre Mundy said...<br /><br /> Harold- You clearly don't hang around with many homeschoolers...<br />**********<br />Being involved in Scouts, I see more then you might think. And homeschoolers are still a real small percentage of the population, and 3 or 4 kids is still outside the norm, and 5 or more is statistically insignificant for intact families other then Amish, Mennonite, and (strong) Catholic. The last group is the one we would belong to. At least my wife is, which would make it we.Gospacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570281939230746682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28479105838644818752014-03-26T14:22:10.466-05:002014-03-26T14:22:10.466-05:00"Can an employer that believes in prayer-only..."Can an employer that believes in prayer-only healing refuse to provide coverage for any of its employees?"<br /><br />Does an employer have to explain why it is not buying insurance fir it's employees?Hyphenated Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180757495695345376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38902782324755886532014-03-26T13:46:26.524-05:002014-03-26T13:46:26.524-05:00Now, if we could only sneak into law mandatory ste...<i>Now, if we could only sneak into law mandatory sterilization of criminals and other sub-humans as she wanted, liberal victory will be complete.</i><br /><br />They did in many states. The rest of us just managed to get rid of those laws.Gahriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795449308207016641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65765406730899273222014-03-26T12:21:22.045-05:002014-03-26T12:21:22.045-05:00Harold- You clearly don't hang around with man...Harold- You clearly don't hang around with many homeschoolers...<br /><br />While families 5+ kids aren't the majority in these groups (most people still have 2-4... even if they're not contracepting), they're not unusual either. <br /><br />I think some of it is that once you have more than 4 kids, homeschooling is easier than dealing with all the public school papers and projects and packed lunches and whatnot...<br />Deirdre Mundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357363160387734552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89503185495236445042014-03-26T09:59:24.426-05:002014-03-26T09:59:24.426-05:00Cut your hair like your dictator.<a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649" rel="nofollow">Cut your hair like your dictator.</a>Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15719617081094846192014-03-26T09:28:51.234-05:002014-03-26T09:28:51.234-05:00Steve:
Promoting evolutionary dysfunction and dis...Steve:<br /><br />Promoting evolutionary dysfunction and dissociation of risk is not a "valid and neutral law of general applicability". Society and humanity have a particular, yet apparently inscrutable, interest to prevent or mitigate each progress.<br /><br />Subsidizing or promoting contraception is not a duty of a legitimate government. Neither is state-sponsored murder/abortion or any other aspect of a population control protocol. Their claim for a need of either implies that women and men are incapable of self-moderating, responsible behavior, or that they hope to realize that outcome.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81980968082171503552014-03-26T09:15:16.646-05:002014-03-26T09:15:16.646-05:00RecChief said...
Renee said...
@RecChief
... RecChief said...<br /><br /> Renee said...<br /> @RecChief<br /><br /> ...... Very few women have 4 or more children, about 10%. But they tend to be religious, and there is a disdain for the religious as 'breeders'."<br /><br /> We have five (5) kids....<br /><br />Graduated from an upper middle class HS in '73, class of about 400. Have 5 kids, and from looking at classmate profiles on facebook, am the only class graduate with 5 kids. We are statistically non-existent, you and I. Around where I live now, in rural America, I see two types of families with more then 3 kids. Mennonites and Amish with all the kids born less then 18 months apart. And single mom headed families in which each sibling has a different father, and most if not all family income coming from Uncle Sam, that is, you and me and Ann and other taxpayers.<br /><br />The Amish and Mennonites, btw, are exempt from the ACA. They provide for their own. They utilize very few tax supported utilities other then roads. Heard someone exclaim recently that there are fewer kids then ever here in the community, and the schools are getting smaller. I pointed out that there are MORE kids then 30 years ago. They're in the private Mennonite schools. (Where the Amish kids go to school with the other plain folk.) Gospacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570281939230746682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74391679479741510462014-03-26T09:00:49.281-05:002014-03-26T09:00:49.281-05:00SMGalbraith said...
As I understand it, the M...SMGalbraith said...<br /><br /> As I understand it, the Medicaid programs of all 50 states along with the federal government provide free contraception to poor women. That's free as in no cost. <br /><br />And that's just the way Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, and speaker at numerous KKK rallies would want it. The poor shouldn't have children according to eugenicists. Her policy of eliminating the poor has been enacted into law.<br /><br />Now, if we could only sneak into law mandatory sterilization of criminals and other sub-humans as she wanted, liberal victory will be complete.Gospacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570281939230746682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91267327081319222032014-03-26T08:40:16.934-05:002014-03-26T08:40:16.934-05:00On the flip side, I am looking forward to the day ...On the flip side, I am looking forward to the day when I can make some Uber anti-gun liberals purchase me handgun ammunition so I can exercised my 2nd Amendment Rights.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78219393586299939062014-03-26T08:39:09.241-05:002014-03-26T08:39:09.241-05:00Justice Kagan: women are “quite tangibly harmed” w...<i>Justice Kagan: women are “quite tangibly harmed” when employers don’t provide contraceptive coverage.</i><br /><br />Nevermind that Justice Kagans assertion doesn't make any sense to any man whose been buying condoms for his entire adult life using his own money. <br /><br />Women are entitled to Free Shit from Other People, Because The Vagina Requires It.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65288910011402489732014-03-26T08:34:30.456-05:002014-03-26T08:34:30.456-05:00why aren't women responsible for their own sex...<i>why aren't women responsible for their own sexual lifestyles? are they weak and pathetic or just completely irresponsible? Why must they be subsidized by their employers and the taxpayers?</i><br /><br />That's covered under the Vagina Exception to the US Constitution. Women Get What They Want At All Times When It Involved Their Vagina. It was established in Divorce Court jurisprudence in the 1970s.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48556248745589806942014-03-26T08:31:58.619-05:002014-03-26T08:31:58.619-05:00Ill remind people that Kagan was the justice who i...Ill remind people that Kagan was the justice who infamously was too stupid to turn off her car when she got to work. She is credentialed...but she sure as Hell isn't educated.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69757054501942464502014-03-26T08:29:14.330-05:002014-03-26T08:29:14.330-05:00The liberal women on the Court have found that the...The liberal women on the Court have found that the Vagina Exception of the US Constitution holds that whatever Women want, Women get, and that Other Peoples Liberty and Freedom take a back seat to that at all times. Just ask their husbands, they know all about that.<br /><br />The raging, entitled privilege of women over men in modern society knows no bounds.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1398278480809495212014-03-26T07:49:05.303-05:002014-03-26T07:49:05.303-05:00Is RFRA pronounced "riff-ruh", or "...Is RFRA pronounced "riff-ruh", or "urf-rah"?Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89683322764472585282014-03-26T07:32:35.247-05:002014-03-26T07:32:35.247-05:00Steve, RFRA was passed since then.
Try and keep u...Steve, RFRA was passed since then.<br /><br />Try and keep up.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84031432707070695692014-03-26T07:24:27.083-05:002014-03-26T07:24:27.083-05:00"[T]he right of free exercise does not reliev..."[T]he right of free exercise does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability. The rule respondents favor would open the prospect of constitutionally required religious exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind ranging from compulsory military service, to the payment of taxes, to health and safety regulation such as manslaughter and child neglect laws, compulsory vaccination laws, drug laws, and traffic laws; to social welfare legislation such as minimum wage laws, child labor laws, animal cruelty laws, environmental protection laws, and laws providing for equality of opportunity for the races." - Antonin Scalia, Employment Division v Smith, 1990<br /><br />If he really believes that, he will decide to uphold Obamacare's birth control clauses in the face of religious objections. We'll see if he feels the same when it's his religion at issue, instead of some Native American beliefs.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05127895117307971714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25558929407441505862014-03-26T06:12:07.945-05:002014-03-26T06:12:07.945-05:00After reading the arguments, the female justices a...After reading the arguments, the female justices are absolute morons. Kagan is the intellectual non-entity I thought she was during her confirmation.<br /><br />A Justice not realizing that rights aren't absolute and ruling in Hobby Lobby's favor here doesn't insure they employers can oppose things like transfusions in the future indicates a level of non-thought that is scary for a SCOTUS justice.<br /><br /><b>Odd that HL is morally against birth control when the cheap crap they sell is made almost entirely in China, which mandates birth control and forced abortions.</b><br /><br />I can't believe that Starbucks sells coffee when Mondays happen.<br /><br />I mean, if we're going to go with idiotic and illogical arguments, why hold back?<br /><br /><b>If Hobby Lobby wins, what precedent would be set? Could a Muslim employer get away with compelling their female employees to wear head to toe covering? Could an employer refuse to cover vaccinations? What far reaching ramifications and unintended consequences could we be looking at? Could employers be able to ignore anti discrimination laws?</b><br /><br />No for all. And you should be a bit embarrassed that this qualifies as a point to make.<br /><br /><b>Can an employer that believes in prayer-only healing refuse to provide coverage for any of its employees?</b><br /><br />Yes. As they can now. Given that they have to PAY for the coverage, they are free to not do so.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63931053490111144682014-03-26T04:33:51.840-05:002014-03-26T04:33:51.840-05:00Another day, another delay:
Obama administration ...Another day, another delay:<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-administration-will-allow-more-time-to-enroll-in-health-care-on-federal-marketplace/2014/03/25/d0458338-b449-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_print.html" rel="nofollow">Obama administration will allow more time to enroll in health care on federal marketplace</a></i><br /><br />But if the Republicans don't "replace" this with something, then they are like totally not serious and stuff!!!Brian Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772632205321099314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11669212655225508932014-03-25T22:49:35.308-05:002014-03-25T22:49:35.308-05:00I do find all this agony about the RFRA quite amus...I do find all this agony about the RFRA quite amusing, given its pedigree.<br /><br />Smith, which the RFRA was a response to, was passed in 1990, 5 - 4, "conservatives" with the 5. The RFRA, however, wasn't passed until 1993. You know, when Clinton took office, and the Democrats dominated both Houses of Congress.<br /><br />Clearly, the Democrats took this up, because they figured that it was only the minor religions that the government would be going after, you know, the ones that want to ingest hallucinogenics. They clearly didn't appreciate what a bunch of totalitarian thugs their party members are, and would be the second they got some power.<br /><br />Now, protections that Democrats passed because they were sure they would only protect minorities, are going to stop the government from bullying mainstream Christians.<br /><br />The irony is quite delightful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14573055999437352882014-03-25T22:47:12.444-05:002014-03-25T22:47:12.444-05:00I accidentally watched a few minutes of MSNBC toni...I accidentally watched a few minutes of MSNBC tonight. They were talking about this case and they sure do like metrosexual hosts, don't they ? Wow !Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56039286413327388682014-03-25T22:43:02.358-05:002014-03-25T22:43:02.358-05:00Iapetus said...
Justice Kagan: women are “qui...Iapetus said...<br /><br /> Justice Kagan: women are “quite tangibly harmed” when employers don’t provide contraceptive coverage."<br /><br /> Obviously Congress didn't see it entirely that way when they framed the law.<br /><br />Yeah, I wish someone had made that point today: If Congress thought what ObamaCare was offering was worth trampling over people's religious liberty, Congress could have exempted ObamaCare from the RFRA. Congress didn't. I really wish one of the honest Justices had went after Verrilli on that:<br /><br />SG Verrilli, Congress could have exempted ObamaCare from the RFRA, yes?<br /><br />Yes sir.<br /><br />Why didn't they do so? And since Congress didn't consider these mandates important enough to exempt from the RFRA, why should we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48094737765052505782014-03-25T22:05:47.469-05:002014-03-25T22:05:47.469-05:00I'm not sure "modern jurisprudence" ...I'm not sure "modern jurisprudence" will accept an argument that corporations or, soon people, can have religious objections when government seeks to compell their behavior.<br /><br />I do believe that by suggesting they drop insurance, pay the penalty/tax, and then forcing their employers to buy insurance that is in violation of their religious tenants is defacto equivalent to forcing Hobby Lobby to accept those things to which they religiously object.PBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01974548209056650675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41053001761607088272014-03-25T22:00:53.173-05:002014-03-25T22:00:53.173-05:00Getting out of the weeds in this thread the questi...Getting out of the weeds in this thread the question these " brilliant" jurists can't seem to comprehend is if a corporation as a juridical person can't have a religious belief how could a juridical person form let alone have any beliefs? It couldn't give donations to any religious charity since to do so would require it to have a religious belief. Or a political belief or a belief of any kind since any donation of money would be a dissolution of shareholder equity since those funds are neither invested in the enterprise or passed through its owners. cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27874662728652575292014-03-25T21:47:00.677-05:002014-03-25T21:47:00.677-05:00The employer doesn't bear any costs if they ca...<i>The employer doesn't bear any costs if they can help it. All costs are passed on to the customer if at all possible.</i><br /><br />Come home after working 12-16 hours, and dive into the books, balance out the day/week/quarter-<br /><br />Come back and tell us how much it costs to pass on costs to your customers.<br /><br />Foolish statement.Browndoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531556749827894771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21672027248360599022014-03-25T21:41:42.899-05:002014-03-25T21:41:42.899-05:00"Employers are purchasing labor with a total ..."Employers are purchasing labor with a total compensation package that includes health care coverage. They are not buying insurance and giving it to their employees for free."<br /><br />Spoken by a man who probably never met a payroll or owened a business. In a hot economy or in a very tight labor market that may well be an inducement to recruit but in a bad economy with lots of slack in the labor force that isn't true. To use a real estate example in a hot mall the landlord can get what he wants. In a not so hot mall the tenants can squeeze the landlord. There are plenty of émployers in this economy that don't need to pay for health insurance to recruit labor and there are plenty more who can save themselves the costs by off shoring. cubanbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746305669005611456noreply@blogger.com