tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4492272191843972949..comments2024-03-19T07:07:01.909-05:00Comments on Althouse: One of the great lessons of the blogosphere: never Palmieri on an Yglesias.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11608068888919178062008-12-23T23:01:00.000-06:002008-12-23T23:01:00.000-06:00Hogwash. I'm quite familiar with the regs on the m...Hogwash. <BR/><BR/>I'm quite familiar with the regs on the matter. The link you posted quashes nothing, and there are even now a number of blogs from active duty military people.<BR/><BR/>You can't violate OPSEC, but that's nothing new, and identical procedures and restrictions apply to communications in any media.<BR/><BR/>Some commanders are more open to it than others. But no, military bloggers have been in no way "quashed."<BR/><BR/>See here, for the Army's clarification on the rules:<BR/><BR/>http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/armys_blog_rebu.htmlJasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16517956537865658903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7103941547434345772008-12-23T12:35:00.000-06:002008-12-23T12:35:00.000-06:00Blogger Jason said... Can you imagine what a ha...Blogger Jason said...<I><BR/> Can you imagine what a hash this ham-handed, officious twit will make of policies governing military bloggers?</I><BR/><BR/>There are no "military bloggers", active duty bloggers posting to the public web were <A HREF="http://blog.wired.com/defense/files/army_reg_530_1_updated.pdf" REL="nofollow">quashed by DOD some time ago a security risk</A>. Even families of active duty and/or deployed military and civilian contractors have been restrained.<BR/><BR/>What we think of as Mil-bloggers are private blogs by non-active, retired military, support groups and friends. They do not fall under DOD/Pentagon jurisdiction.<BR/><BR/>However, like you, the very thought of this twit or one of her ilk working for the military gives me indigestion.BJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447134335568803085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59523461497634393482008-12-23T10:16:00.000-06:002008-12-23T10:16:00.000-06:00As to who's blog it is: Who arranges the advertis...As to who's blog it is: Who arranges the advertising and who gets the ad revenue - Matt, CAP, ???Jack Okiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07639799287206958727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33976067700256519732008-12-23T08:17:00.000-06:002008-12-23T08:17:00.000-06:00Apparently, Palmieri is a contender for Asst. Secr...Apparently, Palmieri is a contender for Asst. Secretary of Defense for Public Relations or communication or whatever the exact title is.<BR/><BR/>That's horrible.<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine what a hash this ham-handed, officious twit will make of policies governing military bloggers?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16517956537865658903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14283349634470087312008-12-22T22:20:00.000-06:002008-12-22T22:20:00.000-06:00What bothers me in this whole megillah is that fir...What bothers me in this whole megillah is that first Palmieri posts on the personal blog website of someone else mentioning her association with CAP as opposed to Think Progress. At this time we do not know whether she really has his permission. <BR/><BR/>Later Yglesias writes that his is an unedited website. The question becomes that if he does not edit but just posts willy-nilly on this website whatever anyone hands him then does he stand behind it at all. Doe she even stand behind what he posts of his own writing on this website. He notes at the top that he is associated with Think Progress but then in this particular entry there is a conflict there also.<BR/><BR/>Ends up that who knows what is the source of anything that is posted there and who bothers to check on the validity of what is posted there. What also do the associations that Yglesias has have to do with each other and with his blog. Is the blog really his or is it paid for by someone else in his name and he is responsible to that person. I think this really will end up costing Yglesias some credibility in the circles who do follow him. I know that even when I do not agree with him politically, which is most of the time, I used to think that what he wrote was worth reading and thinking about. Now, not so much.dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976498133597991337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87815036692960542932008-12-22T19:02:00.000-06:002008-12-22T19:02:00.000-06:00It strikes me that activists of every stripe are a...It strikes me that activists of every stripe are a thin-skinned lot. They do well as aides, whispering in the ears of congressmen, and as consultants, framing logos and messages in smoke-free conference rooms. Politics? Debate? Too delicate.PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920623662477828662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74788358091999497152008-12-22T16:51:00.000-06:002008-12-22T16:51:00.000-06:00Dre's Undies says:"Other than getting cheap links ...Dre's Undies says:<BR/><BR/>"Other than getting cheap links from his mama, I can't see where John Althouse Cohen has ever done anything of substance."<BR/><BR/>Personal foul: 15 adjective penalty! <BR/><BR/>The next one should bring an ejection.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84804017668279313692008-12-22T16:45:00.000-06:002008-12-22T16:45:00.000-06:00This leaves me totally confused too.Plus I never c...This leaves me totally confused too.<BR/><BR/>Plus I never could pronounce "Yglegais."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40116963405148455502008-12-22T16:22:00.000-06:002008-12-22T16:22:00.000-06:00I've probably spent a few hours total writing comm...I've probably spent a few hours total writing comments at MattY's various stops pointing out how he's wrong. There seems to be a part of his brain missing, in that he has never been able to actually present a valid argument but instead engages in various LogicalFallacies. When it comes to the many topics about which he has no clue, he simply pushes someone else's agenda without understanding it. And, he's also published lies and smears and never offered a correction. The reason I've left comments there is described <A HREF="http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007765.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>; it obviously hasn't worked yet.<BR/><BR/>While this issue is like a small personal battle among a small group that one is glad not to be a member of, the thing about this that's actually important is the involvement of the <A HREF="http://24ahead.com/s/center-american-progress" REL="nofollow">Center for American Progress</A>. This is just the latest example of them not being able to think straight.<BR/><BR/>Bear in mind that CAP is a source of both ideas and people for the BHO administration. Note <A HREF="http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008247.html" REL="nofollow">the warning I issued about their involvement</A> on October 29 (see #14 and #16).<BR/><BR/>Note also that instead of focusing on CAP, Althouse focused on the inside baseball aspects.LonewackoDotComhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17942733237455764090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47145330471880737812008-12-22T16:20:00.001-06:002008-12-22T16:20:00.001-06:00John Althouse:Very clever - touche!I have a resume...John Althouse:<BR/><BR/>Very clever - touche!<BR/><BR/>I have a resume Matt couldn't pick up with a fork lift, and do more in retirement than most young punks do full time. Touche!save_the_rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292805042626368911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33203972774210191952008-12-22T16:20:00.000-06:002008-12-22T16:20:00.000-06:00"They have all kinds of "editorial" squirmishes ov..."They have all kinds of "editorial" squirmishes over there."<BR/><BR/>And after the squirmishes, there's nothing but squism.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53053412907989762972008-12-22T16:00:00.000-06:002008-12-22T16:00:00.000-06:00Amy: that's not a logical answer to my question. I...Amy: that's not a logical answer to my question. I'm saying: where do you get the idea that it <I>was</I> legitimate for her to post on his blog?John Althouse Cohenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11703450281424023177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9322350171596618342008-12-22T15:51:00.000-06:002008-12-22T15:51:00.000-06:00On a related note, the editor of the Atlantic want...On a related note, the editor of the Atlantic wants you to know that <A HREF="http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/a_special_note_re_hummus.php" REL="nofollow">We at The Atlantic do not take sides in the ongoing dispute between partisans of hummus and partisans of baba ghanoush. </A>Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5840575644037196172008-12-22T14:09:00.000-06:002008-12-22T14:09:00.000-06:00Doyle:How do you go from Yglesias/CAP to "many blo...Doyle:<I>How do you go from Yglesias/CAP to "many bloggers"? The vast majority of bloggers aren't employed by large think tanks like CAP or Hoover </I><BR/><BR/>How do you go from "many bloggers" to the "vast majority" of bloggers? The vast majority of bloggers have about 2 readers. The vast majority of bloggers probably make no money at all.<BR/><BR/>But many bloggers do have revenue, and it can be obvious (a publication or a campaign), or murky (a known think tank with undisclosed donors, like CAP), or opaque (like Kos).<BR/><BR/>So what kind of personal relationship does a reader have with a blogger at the different levels of transparency?<BR/><BR/>For anybody but the most independent blogger, the reader is Truman Burbank.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26507237440207249732008-12-22T14:08:00.000-06:002008-12-22T14:08:00.000-06:00This is all part of a tradition that goes back at ...This is all part of a tradition that goes back at least to the pissing matches between Lenin and Trotsky. But no one except those on the left is really interested in which among them is most holy.Beldarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404583858244777905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79719359930171982402008-12-22T13:58:00.001-06:002008-12-22T13:58:00.001-06:00Other than getting cheap links from his mama, I ca...Other than getting cheap links from his mama, I can't see where John Althouse Cohen has ever done anything of substance.<BR/><BR/>That’s some weak shit boy.Dr Dre's Underpantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10156828112434815213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27703917019749240072008-12-22T13:58:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:58:00.000-06:00The perfect subject of any blog post would be wher...The perfect subject of any blog post would be where one hippie kicks another. Discuss!garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26650285244903648682008-12-22T13:53:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:53:00.000-06:00See shit-Trooper's take-hell waaaay more interesti...See shit-<BR/><BR/>Trooper's take-hell waaaay more interesting.<BR/><BR/>And-<BR/><BR/>rhhardin<BR/><BR/>Been meaning to tell you this for awhile now-<BR/><BR/>Don Imus is the Biggest Drama Queen on Earth.<BR/><BR/>Susan Lucci's got nothin' on him.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70041654994095552402008-12-22T13:50:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:50:00.000-06:00And-that chimp-what's is nuts-Kos moaning about th...And-that chimp-what's is nuts-Kos moaning about this is really rich..<BR/><BR/>They have all kinds of "editorial" squirmishes over there.<BR/><BR/>Yglesias if he left the <I>The Atlantic</I> thinking blogging would amount to anything...<BR/><BR/>If it's going to get read these days-on the Left-it's been very "organized" for awhile...<BR/><BR/>To be Independent, and on your own probably mens your not going to get read much.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20778643153101464442008-12-22T13:48:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:48:00.000-06:00Palmieri merely demonstrated that in the case of Y...<I>Palmieri merely demonstrated that in the case of Yglesias (as for many bloggers) there is a man behind the curtain. So it was positive she did this! She let us in on a secret that some bloggers want to hide from us.</I><BR/><BR/>I think this is overstating it a little. How do you go from Yglesias/CAP to "many bloggers"? The vast majority of bloggers aren't employed by large think tanks like CAP or Hoover, from which Democratic and Republican administrations draw personnel. Short of being a campaign blogger like, oh, Michael Goldfarb, there's no clearer organizational bias than that.<BR/><BR/>This incident, as Atrios put it, calls into question which revenue models allow for editorial independence. But for the vast majority of independently-run blogs (like this one), it's more a validation than anything else.Brian Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652827640480365357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31626998019996566532008-12-22T13:43:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:43:00.000-06:00I got all excited when I read that this guy was bl...I got all excited when I read that this guy was blogging about a three way but when I went to original post it was all political bullshit.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55402574227884551902008-12-22T13:35:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:35:00.000-06:00This stuff-or kind of stuff has always happened.On...This stuff-or kind of stuff has <I>always</I> happened.<BR/><BR/>One weird supposedly well known "fact" is that the general public only read--<BR/><BR/><I>the headlines</I> very few of us do more than that....<BR/><BR/>What's the one thing writers claim they don't have control over-the title or headline of their articles.<BR/><BR/>So ediitorial boards of publisher's have never given up control of that one thing-a headlline-that controls the whole meaning and/or tone of an article.<BR/><BR/>Ever read an article that didn't jibe with the headline-or even contradicted it?<BR/><BR/>In blogging ever notice how the commenters just seem to have read the headline-and jump right in and comment?<BR/><BR/>Do a test sometime-change the meaning of a headline by burying something in about the third sentence of the second to last paragraph or hell even the last one.<BR/><BR/>You'll start to notice-but hopefully a lot of you have noticed that already.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20650039534934138842008-12-22T13:34:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:34:00.000-06:00Here's an article from Politico about the non-tran...Here's an article from Politico about the non-transparency of CAP. <BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6khlpu<BR/><BR/>John Podesta, Melody Barnes, and Tom Daschle are all associated with CAP and with the new administration/transition team. Jennifer Palmieri is expected to get a job with the administration as well.<BR/><BR/>For all the supposed rules in the blogosphere, there are almost none about transparency (especially financial). You can't have a relationship with a blogger if you have no idea what his motivation is.<BR/>Palmieri merely demonstrated that in the case of Yglesias (as for many bloggers) there is a man behind the curtain. So it was positive she did this! She let us in on a secret that some bloggers want to hide from us.MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2331419767734983242008-12-22T13:21:00.000-06:002008-12-22T13:21:00.000-06:00I knew Ann would love responding to Donald Douglas...I knew Ann would love responding to Donald Douglas's comment that she's too fair with meany liberal Yglesias. She loves being nonpartisan!<BR/><BR/>But really it's a pretty interesting story and it doesn't reflect well on Yglesias as much as it reflects extremely badly on CAP/Palmieri, so there's no reason to ignore it for political reasons.<BR/><BR/>You may have missed that after about 100 comments, Palmieri went into the comment section to post her email address and instruct people to "Send me angry emails" presumably instead of commenting. <BR/><BR/>So clueless. I'm a big Yglesias fan (in general, I'm not crazy about his economic coverage) and it sucks to see him get put in this position. An independently wealthy, fiercely principled blogger would quit over this.Brian Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652827640480365357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55333713311290333792008-12-22T12:54:00.000-06:002008-12-22T12:54:00.000-06:00Donald Douglas said..."Ann: You're way too nice to...Donald Douglas said..."Ann: You're way too nice to Yglesias. Who cares about a fellow blogger's plight when he's so hip to slam every moderate-to-conservative under the sun with the most filty language imaginable?"<BR/><BR/>He is an important blogger, and this problem transcends the political slant of his blog. But I like Matt and have done 2 Bloggingheads diavlogs with him. He had a great position with The Atlantic that most bloggers envy, yet he gave it up supposedly to become more politically active, and look what happens. I'm interested in the dynamics and ethics of blogging. And I want to be part of the outcry so that people learn a lesson -- and it's the lesson that I've stressed here, not Matt's personal plight.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.com