tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post4187165231473904951..comments2024-03-29T07:33:25.844-05:00Comments on Althouse: Jeffrey Rosen asks whether the Supreme Court might find the Stupak Amendment unconstitutional.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68332524058808316902009-11-14T16:39:11.995-06:002009-11-14T16:39:11.995-06:00Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for ab...<i>Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for abortions?</i><br /><br />I worked for an insurance company in the late 80s. Our plans covered abortions as a standard benefit, but for the Catholic hospital clients, we did not cover abortions.<br /><br />Other than that, there was not a whole lot of picking and choosing of what would be covered and what would not. Some companies didn't want to cover AIDS and we told them to go elsewhere. We covered people who were sick. Period. We didn't cover experimental treatment or acts of war, but we didn't pick and choose certain illnesses to cover. <br /><br />When I worked for International Paper a few years ago, birth control pills were not covered, but abortions and viagra were. After I wrote a strongly worded letter to the benefits department noting that middle-aged executives who could not get it up could afford their little blue pills but 22-year-old receptionists making $17,000 a year could not (maybe as strong as the UN would send to Iran?), BCP were covered. Coincidence? I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45028737131701792022009-11-13T21:15:18.070-06:002009-11-13T21:15:18.070-06:00Kentuckyliz:
What is your source for your claim t...Kentuckyliz:<br /><br />What is your source for your claim that the Stupak amendment would cover a D&C after a miscarriage, and treatment for an ectopic pregnancy? <br /><br />The U.S. bishops do not oppose federal funding for these treatments, because the first is not an abortion, and the second is one of those "to protect the life of the mother" situations.<br /><br />WV: 'terrimas' = Terri's personal winter holidayFr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32311367227374063902009-11-13T20:40:36.948-06:002009-11-13T20:40:36.948-06:00Re: the GOP's abortion insurance violating it&...Re: the GOP's abortion insurance violating it's "staunchest principles"...<br /><br />The GOP has <i>no</i> principles, which has been clear for many years, and flashing in sky-high neon-lit letters for the past few years.<br /><br />Re: the individual mandate...<br /><br />The President keeps saying that it's about "fairness" because otherwise the uninsured will have to be paid for out of our pocket, a la uninsured motorists.<br /><br />So...if Bill Gates elects not to buy insurance, why should he be mandated to buy insurance on that argument? I'll bet a week's pay no one will be exempted on the basis of being rich enough to self-insure.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84417510932004530642009-11-13T20:00:50.528-06:002009-11-13T20:00:50.528-06:00Women have d&c's to complete an incomplete...Women have d&c's to complete an incomplete miscarriage--Stupak says too bad, pay for it yourself bitch. Not only do you have the grief of your lost child, but the huge hospital bill to pay too. Keep your legs closed next time.<br /><br />Abortions treat ectopic pregnancies. Stupak says bitch pay or die.<br /><br />Oh, our politicians are so compassionate to us little people. We should be grateful.<br /><br />I bet Viagra is covered. Most politicians have penises and dammit the almighty penis must be protected.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74720650533680525122009-11-13T16:39:06.230-06:002009-11-13T16:39:06.230-06:00Hey, here's a hint, ladies. if you don't w...<i>Hey, here's a hint, ladies. if you don't want to have a baby, there is a much simpler way to do it and guess what? its far less likely to be evil. try BIRTH CONTROL</i>.<br /><br />Well, there's a question here of how absolutist your defense of human life is going to be. Some forms of birth control -- as I understand it -- permit fertilisation of the ovum, but simply prevent the fertilised egg from fixing on the uterine wall for proper development. <br /><br />That's less murder-like than, say, partial-birth abortion. There's a sense in which the <i>agency</i> of the act is reduced -- you've simply arranged conditions <i>beforehand</i> so the fetus will die, as opposed to letting the fetus establish itself in the normal way, and then setting out deliberately to kill it. And in lots of cases people do think that the directness of the action matters morally. Setting up a death trap that some fool robber gets himself killed in seems less reprehensible than, say, setting out deliberately to <i>stalk and kill</i> that same robber in your darkened labyrinthine home. While wearing a bull's head, or perhaps a big pyramid. Or maybe that's just me.<br /><br />There's still many people who would reject that distinction as artificial -- form over substance -- since in either case, the moral actor has <i>actively</i> decided to pursue to take the birth control pill or to undergo the abortion, with full knowledge of the consequences.<br /><br />Essentially, there's a lot of people who think that a lot of varieties of birth control are tantamount to murder. Condoms, on the other hand, are generally okay, from the perspective of murder, but <i>every sperm is sacred</i>, as we all know. And there may be "Theology of the Body" issues implicated there.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23194268086378022362009-11-13T16:18:07.876-06:002009-11-13T16:18:07.876-06:00seriously, how does abortion coverage even make se...seriously, how does abortion coverage even make sense?<br /><br />Hey, here's a hint, ladies. if you don't want to have a baby, there is a much simpler way to do it and guess what? its far less likely to be evil. try BIRTH CONTROL.<br /><br />And i for one will be more than happy to pay for that.<br /><br />And if you have a medical condition that makes it so it is dangerous to have children, try MULTIPLE methods of birth control.<br /><br />I mean if we are going to ration care and pay attention to the cost/benefit analysis, then doesn't that make sense?<br /><br />And if you also don't want to destroy human life, ditto there.A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43553759618255665822009-11-13T15:36:05.906-06:002009-11-13T15:36:05.906-06:00Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for ab...<i>Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for abortions</i>?<br /><br />I think there's a lot of plans that don't provide any reproductive coverage at all. They're apparently a lot cheaper, probably because they don't cover pregnancy and neonatal care and so on.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87005405453895879552009-11-13T15:09:10.267-06:002009-11-13T15:09:10.267-06:00makes me think of an old onion piece, where the su...makes me think of an old onion piece, where the surpreme court vows to lose its virginity.<br /><br />http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27640<br /><br />The money quote is a lawyer' joke:<br /><br />> Asked to assess his prospects for losing his virginity within the next two months, a confident Scalia lifted his judicial robe and quipped, "Res ipsa loquitur."<br /><br />For non-lawyers that means "the thing speaks for itself," or more or less, its obvious based on the evidence.A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86017858011028844432009-11-13T15:01:11.477-06:002009-11-13T15:01:11.477-06:00Scalia is just showing his Learned Hand.Scalia is just showing his Learned Hand.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75206798433676501432009-11-13T14:58:11.238-06:002009-11-13T14:58:11.238-06:00DBQ
I am not justifying the RNC being more libera...DBQ<br /><br />I am not justifying the RNC being more liberal than the base. in my mind, that is generally a problem. i am just showing the fallacy in FLS's silly argument. i still can't figure out what he thinks this accomoplishes.A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91605960061692818592009-11-13T14:45:45.667-06:002009-11-13T14:45:45.667-06:00Or how about this? "Look, everybody, the ruli...Or how about this? "Look, everybody, the ruling stands!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11307833139192814452009-11-13T14:43:19.738-06:002009-11-13T14:43:19.738-06:00"Hey wise Latina, I got some briefs for you t..."Hey wise Latina, I got some briefs for you to look into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50989335643473677252009-11-13T14:16:26.613-06:002009-11-13T14:16:26.613-06:00In case you missed it, not 100% of the republican ...<i>In case you missed it, not 100% of the republican party opposes abortion. so maybe it is a sign of a more liberal RNC.<br /></i><br /><br />I don't oppose abortion. I oppose MY PAYING for it.<br /><br />Just in case YOU missed it.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13341429444562280127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90062254195197765642009-11-13T14:13:06.151-06:002009-11-13T14:13:06.151-06:00FLS
> Funny how it can take 18 years before so...FLS<br /><br />> Funny how it can take 18 years before something that violates your staunchest principles finally bothers you.<br /><br />In case you missed it, not 100% of the republican party opposes abortion. so maybe it is a sign of a more liberal RNC.<br /><br />Or, maybe some pinhead lawyer told them they had to or else it might be considered sex discrimination. its embarrassing, but seriously, what is your point? what is the argument you are trying to make?<br /><br />Does this suddenly make abortion a good thing? or obamacare constitutional?A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75522395825962065012009-11-13T13:54:57.879-06:002009-11-13T13:54:57.879-06:00No, okay... it's the GOP provided insurance fo...No, okay... it's the GOP provided insurance for its employees.<br /><br />Wow, big deal.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15815153456127296652009-11-13T13:52:24.102-06:002009-11-13T13:52:24.102-06:00Scalia in the midst of what we call "apoyar&q...Scalia in the midst of what we call "apoyar" a rough translation is 'leaner'.<br /><br />Professor Althouse, why does the Constitutionality of something depend upon who sits in the chairs at the court? And people say communist dictators are bad. At least we provide for long term stability. At least some of us do.El Presidentehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16810633399405341591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57877324869623227072009-11-13T13:50:22.107-06:002009-11-13T13:50:22.107-06:00"Obamacare! Finally a plan that social conser..."<i>Obamacare! Finally a plan that social conservatives can embrace.</i>"<br /><br />Not really. I mean, yeah, that's funny and all but taking out tax funds paying for abortion (okay, it's not *supposed* to be tax funds, just forced individual payment of premiums) doesn't change the essential fact that the government is making you pay for something, or using your money to pay for something, you may not want.<br /><br />Everything about government is coercive. Some of it is a necessary evil, but that doesn't mean it's not evil.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45866035494022429342009-11-13T13:49:56.082-06:002009-11-13T13:49:56.082-06:00...the Court stressed that Congress could refuse t...<i>...the Court stressed that Congress could refuse to subsidize medically necessary abortions because it left “an indigent woman with at least the same range of choice … as she would have had if Congress had chosen to subsidize no health care costs at all.”</i><br /><br />But if she likes her current plan, she can keep it!<br /><br />It's the old duality of the health care plan all over again. The plan doesn't coerce you -- except when it does! -- it just coerces every single person you could contract with to get health care. <br /><br />Here's an interesting hypothetical. Could the bill require that funded abortions come from a single agency -- which would be deliberately underfunded and would not have the capacity to fill the natural demand?<br /><br />Before you answer, what if that's the natural state of things under Obama care? After all, if you don't buy an MRI machine, you save twice -- once when you don't buy it, once when you don't have to operate it. Bear in mind that this plan is in all probability going to be chronically short of money.Zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284350648793830503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69475967363239502522009-11-13T13:45:48.329-06:002009-11-13T13:45:48.329-06:00I suppose what I meant to say was that I would exp...I suppose what I meant to say was that I would expect that the GOP plan, to the extent it had one (because I don't really think that the GOP had a *plan* to enact government health care) was probably mostly cribbed off of existing insurance policies.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31722948832949469742009-11-13T13:45:31.220-06:002009-11-13T13:45:31.220-06:00Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for ab...<i>Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for abortions?<br /><br /></i>Obamacare! Finally a plan that social conservatives can embrace.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34746481510634750062009-11-13T13:43:59.283-06:002009-11-13T13:43:59.283-06:00the GOP *just* dropped abortion coverage from its ...<i>the GOP *just* dropped abortion coverage from its plan, but had it going back to 1991.<br /><br /></i>Funny how it can take 18 years before something that violates your staunchest principles finally bothers you.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58815334505158958952009-11-13T13:43:14.633-06:002009-11-13T13:43:14.633-06:00"Timely topic and news. According to this the..."<i>Timely topic and news. According to this the GOP *just* dropped abortion coverage from its plan, but had it going back to 1991.</i>"<br /><br />I've no doubt.<br /><br />Is there any insurance that doesn't pay for abortions?<br /><br />The one time we had a choice, when my husband worked at Lucasfilm, between three different providers, I went with the one that offered abortion in the least euphemistic way.<br /><br />I picked the one that called it "abortion." And there was only one.<br /><br />I don't remember what the "middle" one called it... probably termination or something.<br /><br />The third, though, explained that it covered the "interruption" of pregnancy.<br /><br />For about a week I went around frequently erupting into outbursts about how *lovely* that would be... just "interrupt" the pregnancy and then start it again later. Just put it on pause. Yay! Wow! They can do that? What a grand idea!<br /><br />So I, as a pro-lifer, chose the plan that was honest.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45726540273821341862009-11-13T13:41:03.024-06:002009-11-13T13:41:03.024-06:00Is having the two judges of Mediterranean descent ...Is having the two judges of Mediterranean descent grouped together some sort of discrimination?DADvocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621021178600799126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43177250098450747682009-11-13T13:32:23.863-06:002009-11-13T13:32:23.863-06:00Timely topic and news. According to this the GOP...Timely topic and news. According to <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/11/gop_jettisons_a.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> the GOP *just* dropped abortion coverage from its plan, but had it going back to 1991.Triangle Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287119175364820011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70050282583447099722009-11-13T13:27:31.534-06:002009-11-13T13:27:31.534-06:00The whole point is that I won't be allowed to ...The whole point is that I won't be allowed to have an insurance plan that doesn't cover abortion -- I will be required upon pain of jail time and fines to pay for abortion for others.<br /><br />A neat hat trick by the government.millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06288790458928188846noreply@blogger.com